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Leading Blue Dog Democrat: Pelosi Does Not Have the Votes for Health Care Reform

July 22, 2009 6:23 PM

ABC News' Jake Tapper and Z. Byron Wolf report:

How is health care reform progressing on Capitol Hill?

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., today insisted everything is smooth sailing with the House bill that would require every American to have health insurance or pay a fine; create a government run health plan to compete with private insurers to drive costs down; and impose an up to 5.4% new tax on top wage-earners.

“I have no question that we have the votes on the floor of the House to pass this legislation,” Pelosi told reporters. 

But a leading conservative “Blue Dog” Democrat told ABC News that claim is questionable.

“No, I don’t think they have the votes,” Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., said, arguing if that were the case he and the other six Blue Dogs on the House Energy and Commerce Committee who have been holding up the bill in committee would be under far less pressure.


Ross says the concerns Blue Dogs have about the current House bill being too expensive and not doing enough to contain health care costs are widespread.

“We’re speaking for a silent majority within the Democratic caucus,” he said. “The American people want us to slow down and they want us to get it right.” 

And what about on the Senate side?

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chair of the Senate Finance Committee, was overheard jokingly telling House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, “let me tell you, praying might be helpful here.”

 -Jake Tapper and Z. Byron Wolf



 

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Americans need to be much more questioning and read all the fine print on this health care issue. It goes far beyond political sides on this one. It is about your own health as well as your children, grandchildren and many generations to come. If you think insurance companies have been frustrating to deal with, we haven't seen anything yet!! Do you want to be told when you can have a family? Do you want to be denied important diagnostic testing and treatment in a timely way to save your life? Do you want the best, newest, and safest drugs to go into your body? None of these will happen with government controlled healthcare! What Doctors do you think will stay around and practice with this? Certainly not ones you would want to go to!! What about our special needs children? The provisions may not be thewre for them at all! A close advisor of our President feels that if someone can't contribute to society that they should be denied appropriate healthcare. These special children and adults contribute more to each of us than many individuals will ever think about doing in their entire life. Americans, we have much to ponder and pray about, here!! Please do not take any of this lightly, or be fooled by the fine sounding explanations of all this. Lastly, only 5-6%of the stimulus money has been dispersed, and where has that gotten us??? Farther and farther into debt for our families to be burdened with!

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Posted by: Betty | Aug 7, 2009 9:29:49 AM

To me she is brave in congress when she is shooting her mouth off on rushing and trying to sneak healthcare reform to a vote before americans could see what was in the reform but won't go to town hall meetings to hear what the majority of usa citizens have to say about it I would say she is like the cowardly lion.

Posted by: kiowa | Aug 6, 2009 9:54:42 PM


Something to think about!





by Pam Geller


I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied history all my life. I think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes, these exist but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about 10 - 15 years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

We demanded and then codified into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people whom we knew could never pay back? Why? We learned recently that the Federal Reserve,which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms . That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700B we all argued about so strenuously just this past September.

Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "We the People," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.

We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?

We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?

We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (now violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it wants marriage to remain between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?). We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, Social Security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and know precisely what I am talking about.) The list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x 10. And we are at war with an enemy we cannot name for fear of offending people of the same religion who cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.

And now we have elected a man no one knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla , Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it.. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe is more important.)

Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change...radical change. Why?

I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.

And that is only the beginning.

I thought I would never be able to experience what the ordinary, moral German felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the savior was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they did know was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory and promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully them into submission.


And then he was duly elected to office, with a full-throttled economic crisis at hand [the Great Depression]. Slowly but surely he seized the controls of government power, department by department, person by person, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The kids joined a Youth Movement in his name, where they were taught what to think. How did he get the people on his side? He did it promising jobs to the jobless, money to the moneyless, and goodies for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world.


He did it with a compliant media - Did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and...change.. And the people surely got what they voted for. (Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.) Read your history books. Many people objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and made fun of. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.

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As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong, close my eyes, have another latte and ignore what is transpiring around me.


Some people scoff at me; others laugh or think I am foolish, naive, or both. Perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe - and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. But, I do not think I am.
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Pamela "Atlas" Geller began her publishing career at The New York Daily News and subsequently took over operation of The New York Observer as Associate Publisher. She left The Observer after the birth of her fourth child, but remained involved in various projects including American Associates, Ben Gurion University and being Senior Vice-President Strategic Planning and Performance Evaluation at The Brandeis School.

After 9/11, Atlas had the veil of oblivion violently lifted from her consciousness and immersed herself in the education and understanding of geopolitics, Islam, terror, foreign affairs and imminent threats the mainstream media and the government wouldn't cover or discuss.

Since many of you enjoy senior citizen status or will sometime in the not too distant future, I thought you might be interested in this information.

Most of you know by now that the Senate version of the "stimulus" bill includes provisions for extensive rationing of health care for senior citizens. The author of this part of the bill, former senator and tax evader, Tom Daschle, was credited today by Bloomberg with the following statement.

Bloomberg: "Daschle says health-care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them."

If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that Senators and Congressmen have their own healthcare plan that is first dollar or very low co-pay which they are guaranteed the remainder of their lives and are not subject to this new law if it passes.

Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and nine months. We have the ability to address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can make our voices heard! Let's do it!
If you disagree, don't do anything


Posted by: Jack | Jul 31, 2009 7:19:10 AM

this is not government
this is not government by the people for the people
this is big business, that's why it keeps getting bigger...the business is growing and making/taking money by leaps and bounds.
All of Washington needs to go.
Vote them all out. Incumbents all know what's going on. Just make sure they don't return after elections.

Posted by: Jean` | Jul 30, 2009 1:22:18 PM

It,s time to vote the BLUE dOG Democrats out of office. Where were they when president BUSH WAS IN OFFICE. If it had not been for Obama half of them would not have been relected. Nurse Cheryl.

Posted by: c> Lang | Jul 30, 2009 2:16:41 AM

Obama and Congress might as well prescribe guns to the elderly to put themselves out of their misery if this heathcare gets passed.

Posted by: Sandra | Jul 28, 2009 10:34:20 PM

We need to give The Blue Dogs a Patriot Party for standing up for the American people.

Posted by: Sandra | Jul 28, 2009 10:28:45 PM

The United States has the best heathcare. We need to change the insurance regulations, not healthcare. Wake up Congress and start reading.
Obama wants to break our country.

Posted by: Sandra | Jul 28, 2009 10:27:21 PM

Mrs Dee wake up and smell the roses

Posted by: Jack | Jul 28, 2009 9:55:52 PM

feab

Posted by: Jack | Jul 28, 2009 7:10:34 PM

We need to vote the blue dogs out of office. I cannot beleive that they would stoop to anything to stop this President. On November 4th - the American people answer the call by electing President Obama. I say - we must vote for health care now. If it mean to vote the blue dogs out of office in 2010.

Posted by: Ms. Dee | Jul 28, 2009 6:19:51 PM

You guys never understand, 2/3 of the money is already paid off by us already, Thos blue dogs they dont care, they are rich with the insurance companys behind them, and a good health insurance at our expense. Do you think they care about us? I think those blue dogs are under the salary of the health insurance companies. Dont you wish your one of them getting rich at the expense of the peoples health. Think people. The savings alone and the benefits that we will be getting from the health care programs is more than enought to pay the remaining 1/3 of the budget.Is that how bad is our politician now a days? MONeY...MONEY....MONEYY FOR THE BLUE DOGS. People wake up, look what the blue dogs or bad dogs are doing with the peoples health especially the poor families..

Posted by: alvin | Jul 28, 2009 11:30:21 AM

God Bless the Blue Dog Dems.

Our Liberty ship is listing as we are searching for a port.
We just may not make it without your wise support

It seems our rudder's broken: There's trouble staying on the course.
With cap & tax and healthcare things
couldn't be any worse.

We work; were seasoned sailors. We toil from dawn to dusk.
But our hard won gains are wasted by those we do not trust.

With precious cargo overboard, we're leaning farther left.
Land is still far off; of direction we're bereft.

Blue dog sisters and brothers, you are our only hope.
Be the captains of this ship, you know it's every knot and rope.

Our prayer is to the heavens, we know it will be heard
God bless the Blue Dog Democrats and help them with their work.

Posted by: Ken Berger | Jul 27, 2009 12:25:29 PM

this isn't about health care... it is about control. he wants us to sign a blank check. next year, it will be about changing term limits.. president for life, maybe???

Posted by: annette | Jul 26, 2009 7:53:38 AM

Pelosi/obama...should be on every 10 most wanted posters around the world. Evil.

Posted by: CWG | Jul 25, 2009 9:49:19 PM

Richard said "You could be paying for healthcare all you life until you turn 65." Why would it stop at 65? Seniors pay for Part B, Part D and for other supplemental insurance. Some even pay premiums for Part A.

Posted by: ellsbells930 | Jul 25, 2009 9:20:39 PM

joe v - I'm overweight and I'm not using any healthcare. The last time I needed a doctor was 3 years ago when I broke my finger. (Which was misdiagnosed & by the time it was diagnosed, they couldn't do anything to fix it - it is now crooked & hurts when it is damp out).

Posted by: ellsbells930 | Jul 25, 2009 9:16:15 PM

Peter Ruane - If your patients are doing so well on Medicare, then why do they need supplemental insurance? Have you ever done any cost accounting on your practice by payer? I can tell you that in the hospital setting, if everything was paid at Medicare rates, there would be very few hospitals open.

Posted by: ellsbells930 | Jul 25, 2009 9:14:36 PM

talmag - the House version of the bill has been published: H.R. 3200

Posted by: ellsbells930 | Jul 25, 2009 9:12:15 PM

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