Looking for Supporters of the House Democrats’ Health Care Plan? Hold the Mayo

What's amazing to me is that the AARP which perports to represent senior citizens is backing this plan to the tune of $25 million. Since the AARP is NOT supporting senior citizens, they should take the next opportunity to NOT renew their membership. With no dues, AARP will not have as much comtempt for senior citizens!

"You would be hard pressed too find a Republican or any other who was against some sort of health care system for low income non-insured kids, or temporarily unemployed adults who lost their jobs of no fault of their own..everyone needs a leg up sometimes as long as the government places time restrictions on paid benefits; however, to create a system in which we pay to subsidize the benefits of some who prefer to live off the dole for years is unfair to those who work hard and end up paying.... "

The only problem is, you are still paying for them. All those uninsured people still go to the hospital. How do you think they subsidize the cost of treating them? Sure they have to pay out of pocket if they have a major operation, but the visit costs them a flat fee and there is no way that fee covers the true costs.

The uninsured are costing the insured already. This is exactly the same problem that exists in auto insurance. Uninsured motorist claims are at the top of the list by a large margin and everyone who has auto insurance ends up paying for those people who don't want auto insurance or can't afford it. Even though they don't pay to fix the uninsured's car, they pay to repair the damages that person caused.

I keep asking people, and I don't get an answer out for this:

What exactly was the point of medicare and medicaid?
Wasn't the idea of those two programs to give health care to people who couldn't afford it? If so, isn't this declaring a failure of those two programs?

You would be hard pressed too find a Republican or any other who was against some sort of health care system for low income non-insured kids, or temporarily unemployed adults who lost their jobs of no fault of their own..everyone needs a leg up sometimes as long as the government places time restrictions on paid benefits; however, to create a system in which we pay to subsidize the benefits of some who prefer to live off the dole for years is unfair to those who work hard and end up paying....

"we gotta face it: this guy could be dumber than bush. actually stupider than bush. or a sociopath. one or the other."

They're not mutually exclusive.

(Earlier, likening Obama to Nixon, the phrase "grumpy self-regard" appeared. What was meant was "pompous self-regard".)

Sadly for poor Mr. Obama, the USA Today/Gallup figures were for "Americans." Since conservatives do poorest in that group, somewhat better with registered voters, and best with likely voters, the numbers are in accord with those of Rasmussen, and tend to confirm his data.

Anyone who believes that rationing health care and increasing wait times will increase life expectancy is an utter simpleton. Those are the people that Obama is counting on fooling, but their numbers are dwindling.

I don't understand why the full quote wasn't broadcast on ABC National News this evening. Was it more spicy when it wasn't complete?

guys, we gotta start facing it. he is not lieing. he DOESN"T KNOW that he is not telling the truth. he doesnt know the facts. he can't grasp it. i mean really, you'd have to be sociopathic to stand there saying "we're cutting the definict" and then do stimlus and omnibus. and then say it again, afterwards. he actually believes the new healthcare WON'T kill competiton and raise costs. we gotta face it: this guy could be dumber than bush. actually stupider than bush. or a sociopath. one or the other. its getting too weird around that guy. its just totally freaky. the nonsensical stuff that comes out. idiot or nutcase. we're totally screwed.

"This places him tenth among the twelve post-war presidents at this point in their presidencies.

Tenth out of twelve. Third worst."

--> Ah, jeez: let's hope this doesn't occasion another endless six-flag bore-a-thon on "racism".

Who (other than Nixon -- who, like Obama, projected lots of grumpy self-regard and no detectable sense of humor -- ranked below Him?

"Then what's your point?

Posted by: Pollmole | Jul 20, 2009 6:11:23 PM"

Well one point there was that while comparisons are fun to pass time, they are not of much use to predict future job approval.

IOW, if Obama shares trends with other Presidents it does not predict he will follow that same path.

For instance, comparing Obama and Reagan is not of much use since the assasination attempt skews the numbers.

Same with Bush who went up with 9/11 and down with Katrina.

Which is why I said, barring any huge news events, Obama's approval rating is likely to be tied to the economy as it usually is with Presidents.

"USA Today/Gallup poll released today showed Mr. Obama's approval rating at 55%. This places him tenth among the twelve post-war presidents at this point in their presidencies.

Tenth out of twelve. Third worst."

Oh noes!

Bush (USATGallup) 7/19-22/01 56 33

Also from the poll being cited.

"Still, Americans by 3-1 are more likely to give predecessor George W. Bush "a great deal" of the responsibility for the country's economic problems than Obama."

Forty-four percent approve of Mr. Obama's handling of the health care issue. Fifty percent disapprove. (USA Today/Gallup)

Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 20, 2009 6:05:03 PM

Then what's your point?

"Rasmussen's polls are exclusively of likely voters, and he has proven to be the best in the country at identifying likely voters. "

How is he the best in the country at identifying likely voters?

A USA Today/Gallup poll released today showed Mr. Obama's approval rating at 55%. This places him tenth among the twelve post-war presidents at this point in their presidencies.

Tenth out of twelve. Third worst.

"Just like Bush."

The numbers are similar with maybe a very slight edge to Obama at this point.

Not that comparisons are much good as predictors.

For instance Reagan's approval went up after the assassination attempt but later fell during the recession of 82.

Bush's approval rating was soon to be affected by 9/11.

Assuming no earth shattering events, Obama's approval will be likely tied to how the economy does.

Here's a weird one, a Freudian slip (or maybe teleprompter sabotage) noted in ABC's coverage -- but not in all coverage -- at the end of O'Blabla's "It's not about me" speech today:

"... the hard work of insurance reform for another day, another year, and another decade."

Maybe it'd be best if O'B, Geithner, Orszag and company take on "insurance reform" -- they've done so well reforming the OTHER financial corporations -- and leave health care to Single Payer players in Congress.

Rasmussen's polls are exclusively of likely voters, and he has proven to be the best in the country at identifying likely voters. Such poll are to be contrasted sharply with polls of "adults" or "registered voters."

Immediately after the inauguration, Rasmussen found 44% strongly approved of Obama, and a mere 18% stronly disapproved. The turnaround has been staggering, and is a result of his lying about the stimulus, cap-and-trade and health care.

All literate persons, even the most avid Obama supporters, see what is happening, and they are dismayed.

--Over the last month, he's shown a deline from low 60's to high 50's.

Still not too shabby.--

Just like Bush.

"LOL,,, so you do not like his methods because they dont support your views."

Pointing out that Rasmussen over weights Republicans has has widely divergent polling than every other polling organization must be difficult for FoxNews viewers who rely on Rasmussen to tell them their racist and homophobic views are still popular.

"Ryan, is their even ONE poll out there that is showing his approval going up"

As a trend? No.

Over the last month, he's shown a deline from low 60's to high 50's.

Still not too shabby.