POTUS: 'Everybody Just Step Back for a Moment'

Re moderate's post of Jul 19, 2009 3:40:47 PM my "Well said" comment was to his entire post, not just the part that remains.

"promise us a quick jumpstart while reminding us it would be a long slog." Posted by: moderate | Jul 19, 2009 3:40:47 PM
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The President did not want the Recovery and Reinvestment act lingering on the table for month after month without being passed.

He felt the economic crisis called for the plan to be created and passed by Congress and the Senate as soon as humanly possible - so that the plan could begin to be put in place immediately and begin to unfold.

Waiting around for months while politicians stalled and dickered was not going to work.

He most certainly was not promising millions of instantaneous, right now, immediate jobs . .. like the Republican right on here is trying to pretend and repeat ad nauseum.

"- you obviously haven't read the comments here or you would see that I and others have given alternatives."

There's almost 400 comments on this page and most of it is the typical unmitigated derision. If you will take the time to re-post some sincere suggestions I'll be happy to read them.

If only Obama would back off just a bit and let Congress do their job - we actually may get a consensus and a health reform plan. Remember, he did leave the "details" up to Congress, though now he clearly has his "preferences" as to what they decide.

How can you expect them to get the job done if the President was constantly pushing deadlines and demanding his agenda issues to be included? By its nature, the processes in Congress are slower than the executive - as they must debate and resolve differences over time.

Even a fair amount of Democrats in Congress are getting fed up. Perhaps "fed up" is putting it mildly. And the media blasts from both sides are really out of line. This is so reminiscent of the Clinton effort - the President (and Hillary) fighting Congress instead of respecting their differing viewpoints and working with them.

Skip - you obviously haven't read the comments here or you would see that I and others have given alternatives.

"not everyone who disagrees with the president's particular take on health care reform is a "right winger." And there are more alternatives than the president's way or no reform at all."

Technically true, but it's probably a safe bet that most of them are. If the right-wingers have any alternatives besides no reform at all I'm dying to hear them.

One more try-- Danita, not everyone who disagrees with the president's particular take on health care reform is a "right winger." And there are more alternatives than the president's way or no reform at all. By the same token, the president does indeed want to have it both ways on the stimulus-- promise us a quick jumpstart while reminding us it would be a long slog. It is not those who point out his inconsistencies who are deluded.

Posted by: moderate | Jul 19, 2009 3:40:47 PM
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Well said!!!!

One more try-- Danita, not everyone who disagrees with the president's particular take on health care reform is a "right winger." And there are more alternatives than the president's way or no reform at all. By the same token, the president does indeed want to have it both ways on the stimulus-- promise us a quick jumpstart while reminding us it would be a long slog. It is not those who point out his inconsistencies who are deluded.

"So that is the new agenda of the right, twist whatever possible into portraying President Obama as having said he will create millions of instantaneous, right now, immediate jobs - and then ridicule him for not being able to do it."

A weak ploy and the only people falling for it are the Republican right wingers who created it.

Barack Obama has said both that the jobs would be created immediately and that they would take time.
That's the beauty of O. You can quote him taking every position on anything.
Posted by: MayBee | Jul 19, 2009 1:43:36 PM
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Much like Reverend Wright is my spiritual mentor but I didn't hear him say anything bad in 20 years.

And I launched my political career in Bill Ayers' living room but he was just a guy in the neighborhood.

And on and on...

Barack Obama has said both that the jobs would be created immediately and that they would take time.

That's the beauty of O. You can quote him taking every position on anything.

Is that what it takes to continue to support him and claim dissenting comments and opinions are "right wing scare tactics"? Half a brain? Sorry, I have both halves. Guess I'm not qualified to be an Obama elite-level supporter.

Oh, darn.

So that is the new agenda of the right, twist whatever possible into portraying President Obama as having said he will create millions of instantaneous, right now, immediate jobs - and then ridicule him for not being able to do it.

What a pathetic and transparent ploy that is.

Any American with half a brain can see through that one. Why? Because they heard the President say directly and clearly to them that the economic fix would not be easy, nor quick and that things might well get worse before they get better.

Everybody heard that because the President took pains to repeat the message clearly and directly to the American people.

The facts are:

1) Obama sold this piece of legislation as a "jobs right now" bill. Proof is in his own words.

2) The right tried to warn the country that it would not create jobs right away and in fact most of it wouldn't come online until 2010-2012.

4) All the left could say was "we HAVE to do something!"

5) The gullible people who also voted for Obama into office ignored the warnings and supported it anyway.

6) No jobs have been created yet just as the right predicted.

7) The right is now saying we told you so before the bill was passed.

8) The left is trying to blame anyone but themselves so they now say the right is being unrealistic - when all the right is doing is pointing out what they were saying all along.

7) The left is trying to take credit for what the right said before the bill was passed. The right warned all along it would not create jobs immediately.

Don't believe me? Go back and look at all the conservative blog posts and listen to conservative talk radio archives from before the bill was passed.

Conservatives were all saying at the time that it would not create jobs immediately as the President was saying and that most of the spending wasn't slated until 2010-2012.

I don't know why I'm surprised that the left would try to pull this kind of crap but I am.

The fact is:

(1) When the Great Republican "Hero", Ronald Reagan, assumed the White House from Jimmy Carter, Unemployment was at 7.5%.

(2) It took Ronald Reagan 3+1/2 years to get the National Unemployment Rate "STEADILY" under 7.5%.

(3) And IN FACT, almost 2 WHOLE YEARS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, the National Unemployment Rate actually peaked into the 10% range (November & December 1982).

But of course.... most of your typical "right-whiners" (because they are "whiners" on the right)... would expect our current President to already have fixed the economy and everything "should" be back "by now" to the prosperous economy we had under President Clinton.

Again, such attitudes only prove two things: (a) they are nit-picking at the President because of their political party affiliation, and (b) they really don't understand economics and how "unemployment" will have a significant "lag" behind what the rest of the economy is doing.

She is kind of thin skinned.

Danita, The words were at the end of a sentance that included these words also- the stimulus was intended to keep police officers, firefighters, and school teachers on the job and it has worked as intended. There was no mention of further jobs to be created, logically, the jobs the stimulus bill intended to create have been created.
They are not my words, and I didn't say it was credible.

I'm sorry to leave this fascinating (NOT!) discussion, but great fun awaits me outside . ..

If you're really dumb enough to think President Obama was claiming he could create 3-4 million jobs 'immediately' you're out to lunch.

Bmmmm . . .

You are grasping at straws . .. it's weak.