President Obama Joins With McCain to Eliminate Raptor Fighter Jets

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need those planes....Every country is already tryn to duplicate this aircraft China, Russia, korea ,must i go on?....We should be designen a brand new raptor to stay ahead of the world...HOW CAN THE PENTAGON PROJECT WHAT WE WILL NEED IN WAR....Are Our goverment officials now smarter than ever and can predict wars now?....WWHAT A JOKE!!!!!!WAKE UP PEOPLE AND NOT WHEN ITS NOT TO LATE.

Maybe if MC Cain Had been flying a stealthy, super fast airplane like Raptor he wouldn't have had the misfortune of being shot down; now, he wants other young American pilots to suffer his fate. I hope Obama doesn't think like this old dummy.

danita..and I stand by my original statement..the F-22 is anything but a piece of military crap..This aircraft dominates the airspace in which it patrols and is worth every penny..BTW McCain has not flown for 40 plus years. To suggest McCain is an expert on current military aircraft is like saying my 90 year old grandfather is an expert on current computer applications..McCain is past his prime and needs to retire..BTW If he is so great why did the liberals trash him at every opportunity this past election??? Mcold, Mclame......

"Also don't forget the businesses that provides goods and services in these communities: restaurants, gas stations, etc., etc. that are part of the "multiplier effect" inherent within economies"

Funny, you didn't give a crap about the millions of jobs attached to the auto industry in your zeal to stick it to the unions.

So are you a complete fraud in real life or just when posting for the GOP?

"What I don't understand about this arguement is how 7 planes equals 22,000 jobs. They are still building 187 planes. It cannot require 22,000 people to build those 7 planes." Posted by: ZS California | Jul 14, 2009 4:36:14 PM
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Doesn't make sense to me either ZS, and Mike's post doesn't explain how 7 planes equals 22,000 jobs being lost.

"the F-22 is anything BUT a piece of military crap...." Posted by: Parallex View | Jul 14, 2009 6:02:08 PM
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"The pricey aircraft have never flown in combat and have had frequent maintenance problems."

The F-22 has not received universally favorable reviews. And I stand by my original statement . ..

"I don't not support the use of Government's money on expensive pieces of military crap. If John McCain is against this plane, and he being a strong military supporter and a former pilot, something seems definitely to be wrong."

"Wake up and get informed. These are jobs scatered all over the country in rioles that support the constrcution of the plane and its thousnads of sub-components.!"

Also don't forget the businesses that provides goods and services in these communities: restaurants, gas stations, etc., etc. that are part of the "multiplier effect" inherent within economies (remember the "multiplier effect"? Obama claimed that for each dollar of "stimulus investment" $1.50 would be created...not seeing it).

danita...Without going too far out on a limb, the F-22 is anything BUT a piece of military crap. You are only displaying your ignorance on a subject you know absolutely nothing about....

Mike_C, I am generally extremely supportive of military spending and do worry a great deal that President Obama will reduce necessary programs. That's why I am trusting John McCain on this one. He is a strong supporter of the military and if he agrees that the planes would be redundant, then I defer to his superior knowledge in this area.

We will have to agree to disagree a tad about the spreading around of the project, which provides the sort of protection from budget cuts that defense contractors appreciate. I apologize for making it sound as if that were the ONLY reason for spreading the work around. I am well aware that something as complex as this jet requires specialized labor and cannot simply be built on one site. (The small business I co-own is involved in a very specialized niche in a very different industry, so believe me, I understand.) However, it is ALSO true that Lockheed and other defense contractors do not want to concentrate the labor in one district for political reasons as well. Yes, the complex work means there are multiple specialists involved, but I think there could be some GEOGRAPHIC consolidation. It is my experience that companies in related areas in an industry often locate near one another. Seems like some of the subcontractors on these projects could similarly be located in the same Congressional district more often than they are.

Think Hover Crafts and Cars!

Plenty of apologists for the Military Industrial Complex in this thread.

"What I don't understand about this arguement is how 7 planes equals 22,000 jobs. They are still building 187 planes. It cannot require 22,000 people to build those 7 planes." Posted by: ZS California | Jul 14, 2009 4:36:14 PM
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Doesn't make sense to me either ZS, and Mike's post doesn't explain how 7 planes equals 22,000 jobs being lost.

ZS,

Wake up and get informed. These are jobs scatered all over the country in rioles that support the constrcution of the plane and its thousnads of sub-components.!

Do you honestly believe any one company can build something as sophisitaced as that plane without drawing on the expertise of hundreds of companies across the nation?

What I don't understand about this arguement is how 7 planes equals 22,000 jobs. They are still building 187 planes. It cannot require 22,000 people to build those 7 planes. Those 22,000 people would all be working on all of the planes. Cutting a little bit of excess from the bill goes to help pay for those huge stimulus plans already passed by the former and current administration.

If Lockhead Martin cuts 22,000 people just because it did not get a contract for 7 additional planes, that is Lockhead Martin's cross to bear. This is a responsible thing to do, especially when the spending is going so high. If you spend more in some area's you have to spend less in other area's.

All you fiscal watch dogs must understand that concept at least. Crying like the sky is falling over 7 planes and people saying that will directly result in 22,000 jobs lost is disingenious at worst and nieve at best.

These 7 planes are probably a couple months worth of work and they would ideally be the last 7 planes of the project so by the time the previous 187 planes are built there could conceiveably be more money or different projects for those workers. It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom. But I guess then you don't get to lambast Obama if you don't see it all that way.

Mike_C . ..

I don't not support the use of Government's money on expensive pieces of military crap. If John McCain is against this plane, and he being a strong military supporter and a former pilot, something seems definitely to be wrong.

Danita,

So your ok with tossing all those jobs to the side in our current economic conditions? Your cool spending hundreds of Billions in hopes it may help the economy, but you dont want to spend 1.75B to keep 22,000 people working!

I am sure those people & thier families appreciate your liberal concerns!

So typical - Do as I say, Not As I Do!!!!!

"The people who are crying about jobs are powerful, connected defense contractors who will get much larger chunks of the money than any working class folks. President Obama has made a noble effort to change the sleazy weapons contracting situation. Senator McCain is authentically patriotic and wants what's best for our nation's defense.

"Don't be deceived by the bogus rhetoric from the thieves that have been robbing us for a long time." Posted by: randyg | Jul 14, 2009 1:19:52 PM
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Agreed. Spend the money on expensive military crap (and it does sound like a poor product) to create jobs? If both President Obama and John McCain are against it . . . something seems fishy with the plane and the project.

"Do you think billion dollar projects are planned, competed for, contracted for and built in 5 months?"

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Do you understand what "shovel-ready" MEANS?????????? Just to bring you up to speed....Those projects have ALREADY been thru the planning & competing stages, they are READY to be awarded!

Some actually have, but here is the kicker....since we have such deep oversight, no one is actually keeping track of how many new hires if any these companies were making. If they were, I guarantee you we would all be hearing about it!

By the way, since we were told it HAD to passed NOW, before they even had a chance to understand the real state of the economy (Damn that Biden guy when he lets the truth slip out!)

So, now the "revised" exstimates are how many jobs THIS year?....How many next year?

By the way "genius", how many of those F22 workers do you think are going to get jobs in the construction companies that will be building the "shovel-ready" projects?

So, lets spend hundreds of billions more dollars now to try to re-employ those we cold have kept employed with a "paltry" 1.75 Billion!

We spend more than all other countries combined. I doubt cutting a few planes to leave 187 on the table is that big of an issue.
Build another interstate defense network willya? Too busy worrying about terrorism, we're getting murdered on the commute!

randyg...Ummm I believe you have defense contractors confused with our "the drinks are on me" present administration...you ain't seen nothing yet, wait until Obama's health/welfare program kicks in, but then again some who feed off of government sponsored social programs, because they are too lazy to work or retrain, won't be complaining except at the defense budget...