President Obama's Full Court Press on Health Care Reform

I have found the old agenda of Lenin which was the foundation of ACORN's agenda that Obama adopted decades ago and is implementing today... "Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in
sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.Get control of all
means of publicity and thereby: Get the peoples' mind off their
government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and
plays, and other trivialities. Divide the people into hostile groups by
constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance. Destroy
the peoples faith in their natural leaders by holding up the latter to
ridicule, contempt and obloquy. Always preach true democracy but seize
power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible. Encourage government
extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear with rising prices,
inflation and general discontent. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital
industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a soft and lenient
attitude on the part of government towards such disorders. By specious
argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues: honesty,
sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness. Cause the
registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view of
confiscating them and leaving the population defenseless." Vladimir
Ilich Lenin

Oh, right Ryan. Instapundit notes that A READER said per page 19 individual private insurance could still be sold.

You oh-so-conveniently negleted to mention that instapundit says: Hmm. We should have more time for all this stuff to be sorted out. Instead they’re ramming it through as quickly as possible. That makes me suspicious.

You've also called Investor's Business Daily a liar - AND said you think they also are lying about having confirmed their findings directly with the House Ways and Means Committee.

All based on the interpretation of some totally unknown internet reader??

Please. Talk about blatant bias and lying by omission. Pot callin' the kettle black, that's for sure.

Someone needs to ask Obama and all the people in Congress straight up if all branches of US government will give up their current healthcare and go under this "new" Obama Heathcare Plan......this to include the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branches......DOES ANYONE WANT TO VENTURE A GUESS AS TO THE ANSWER?......

Healthcare and Social Security will only have a meaningful reform when all the branches of our government have the same coverage that the citizens have.......

OBAMA'S NEW HEALTHCARE SLOGAN IS......

"CHANGE......LIVE WITH THE PAIN."

"The amazing thing is they find lie after discredited lie to support and spread, with no sense of the need to investigate any further on their own and no apparent need for integrity or credibility."

When instapundit is calling them out you know its bad.

"It does not outlaw individual private coverage – you can still buy the plan on the Exchange where they will compete with the public option, not be replaced by it. The advantage of the Exchange, is that the coverage no longer has one of the problems of individual coverage – skyrocketing premiums should you become ill."

"All the right wing has is fear and lies and some of the more moderate on the right are getting squeamish with their blatant dishonesty." Posted by: Ryan C | Jul 16, 2009 3:57:34 PM
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The amazing thing is they find lie after discredited lie to support and spread, with no sense of the need to investigate any further on their own and no apparent need for integrity or credibility.

I hope Obama can execute a full court
press better than can sling the horsehide. Geez, what a girly heave!

IBD busted as the liars they are by an instapundit reader!

"Investor’s Business Daily did not continue to read the bill to page 19. “Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan. ” It does not outlaw individual private coverage – you can still buy the plan on the Exchange where they will compete with the public option, not be replaced by it. The advantage of the Exchange, is that the coverage no longer has one of the problems of individual coverage – skyrocketing premiums should you become ill."

All the right wing has is fear and lies and some of the more moderate on the right are getting squeamish with their blatant dishonesty.

Stop complaining. If something is not done we will continue down this downward sprial where less people will have insurance. Its sickening and sad. The so called "best country in the world" does not have an affordable heatth care plan. There are people who are making more than the average salary who are uninsured because private insurance COST TOO MUCH!!!

I guess some of us would rather our neighbors and friends without health insurance or medical assistance.

...The Public Option will be one option among many options that will be regulated to provide a basic minimum of care that we all should have access to.

The other options will be provided by companies that enroll and want to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange.

This still provides competition among the free market, ....

Posted by: amy wright | Jul 16, 2009 3:10:20 PM
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Perhaps you can tell me what my many options will be Amy? I'm on an individual plan. Try page 16 under the Orwellian "Freedom of Choice," I believe it was.

As to the other options provided by companies - you would be referring here to the companies who won't legally be able to sell to individuals, leaving the only option the Gov. plan?

Under this plan, by definition there IS NO FREE MARKET. To be a free market, the government has to get OUT. Right now we already have a very skewed and NOT free market because of government regulations, and this bill will double down on that making the situation vastly worse rather than better.

One has to not only read the document, but consider the implications and ramifications - NOT just in terms of what it may make better up front, but what it may make worse both up front and all the way down the line.

If you'll excuse the pun, its legislative malpractice of the worst sort to try to rush a bill like this thru the process.

What is more important, implementing 1,000+ pages bad pages quickly, or taking the time to GET IT RIGHT FIRST?

I fully support (and have read the first 113 pages, which addresses the new Health Choices Administration that will be set up, the regulations, the basic standards, the Health Insurance Exchange, the Public Option and the Affordability Credits). The Public Option will be one option among many options that will be regulated to provide a basic minimum of care that we all should have access to. The other options will be provided by companies that enroll and want to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange. They will be required to provide the basic care, not allowed to exclude because of pre-existing conditions, and there will be no maximum limit on lifetime coverage. This still provides competition among the free market, and through a Medicare-based option, the government will also provide an option for people to choose. This is a terrific solution for our capitalistic society - we get the best of both worlds. But in my opinion the absolutely best part of this House Bill is the Affordability Credits that individuals and families making less than 400% of the Federal Poverty Level will be eligible for. Also, in Year 2, individuals who get insurance through their jobs but whose premiums are more than 10% of their Adjusted Gross Income, they will also be eligible for Affordability Credits toward their premiums. This will help us afford the over-inflated prices that the free-market corporations are obviously NOT working on reducing. I fully support this bill. I have read the first 113 pages of it to understand all of what I've written above. The rest of the bill deals with fixing the Medicare mess George Bush's congress left us with. The Public Option will be based on Medicare, and hence why they are also addressing Medicare in this bill.

So let me get this straight...Government, which have deep pockets, is going to be competing with private enterprise, health insurance companies, in order to keep cost down? So the next question should be is what options does a "for profit" company have in order to stay competitive with a much larger company, the government, who has unlimited capital, us taxpayers...Ummmm perhaps a larger group of stake holders, wannna invest in the insurance business when your competitor is the government...NO, perhaps cut costs, the cost of doing business that is Hmmmmmm guess that includes employees/services/downsize, refuse to take clients. And what about the government, will they set up standards like limiting people who are overweight, or smokers or drinkers or seniors over a certain age in order to cut thier costs WHO will be making the decisions for you.... TOO FAST..READ THE CONTRACT FIRST BEFORE SIGNING ON..

Mr. President, If you really want this, pressure Congress to ACTUALLY create a TRUE plan. Your dealine means nothing if this thing is just "an outline" or a "guide line". That only means that you have passed the buck on creating a REAL plan until later!

Posted by: Mike_C | Jul 16, 2009 12:34:59 PM
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Excellent points. They have no problem putting in the hard numbers for the taxes and fines that they'll collect in revenue, and yet zero information regarding the actual plan itself. Exactly as Mike notes, nothing that we can even begin to compare to typical existing coverage. Meanwhile, they're happy to also spend our money in it for things that have nothing to do with medical care; building parks, bike paths, etc. Interesting, isn't it?

I think, regarding Obama and all his wonderful sounding claims about health care reform, that right about now the appropriate statement is:

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!!

(hum, will they remove my post for telling the truth about Obama?)

Page 16 of the house bill basically makes private individual health insurance ILLEGAL. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," no less!! [see below] If you happen to have indiv. private coverage before the bill becomes law, you're grandfathered.

Otherwise, Obama's "if you lose your job, you’ll still be able to find quality health insurance you can afford"

R-i-g-h-t. Provided, of course, by the US Gov and ONLY the US Gov. NO CHOICE. ZERO CHOICE. Don't like that option, TOUGH. Because legally you're required to buy it or pay quite large fines.

Obama's "if you start a business, you’ll still be able to find quality health insurance you can afford"

R-i-g-h-t. Provided, of course, by the US Gov and ONLY the US Gov. NO CHOICE. ZERO CHOICE. Don't like that option, TOUGH. Because legally you're required to buy it or pay quite large fines. At least until you grow your business large enough for group policies, you are stuck 100% with Uncle Sam, Obama's Choice. (is that like Hobson's Choice? Between the Devil and the deep blue sea.... hum...)

Miss a payment or two on your current individual policy? TOUGH LUCK. You CAN'T get it back, because they can't legally underwrite you again. Hows that for "if you like your insurance, you can keep it" ??

Meanwhile, please recall Obama's statements, made multiple times, about how there's NO reason that a gov. option plan can't play fairly, a level playing field, with private insurance.

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!

This guy is a piece of work, right along with those in Congress who're in bed with him. Its DISGUSTING what they are trying to do.

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It's Not An Option

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long ....Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

....the 1,018-page [Atlas says: ANOTHER 1,000+ pager, rush, rush, no time to waste, pass it now or else, last chance!!] ...we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," ....

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

...The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.

The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.

With HSAs out of the way, a key obstacle to the left's expansion of the welfare state will be removed.

The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.

Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002.

The DEMs bill is MEANINGLESS & USELESS

It puts off the truly critical & difficult tasks of ACTUALLY CRATING A HEATHPLAN ! It does NOT tell us what the various coverage levels will be. It does NOT tell us what the premiums of those levels are. It does NOT tell us what the co-pays are. It does NOT tell us what the deductibles are. It does NOT tell us what the maximum payouts are.

If we do not have these REAL details, We do NOT have a healthcare plan at all.

We cannot compare it with any plan we currently have or with any plan currently available to us.

Mr. President, If you really want this, pressure Congress to ACTUALLY create a TRUE plan. Your dealine means nothing if this thing is just "an outline" or a "guide line". That only means that you have passed the buck on creating a REAL plan until later!

"So you are saying if the policeman did not arrest the man on the street with the mask the gun and big bag of cash, its the policeman's fault!!!! and the sadistic robber who stole billions is not at fault. All you can do is point at government? Laughable."
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Typical lefty rope-a-dope. Create a non-sensical scenario to rebut reality. Madoff was guilty. No question. But he was also turned in several times and given a "pass." Deal with it.

"Who eased corporate regulations? Your beloved Ronald Reagan. A REPUBLICAN."
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Easing regulation in and of itself is not a bad thing. But when people take advantage of it and exisitng regulation does not handle it properly, changes are in order. Bush should have pushed back harder than he did as Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines... were taking advantage of the situation and covering up the truth.

Posted by: Omentum | Jul 16, 2009 11:13:34 AM
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Democrats are busy right now pulling in all their buddies from the financial industry to repeat the govt corruption that existed before them. These people aren't stupid. They just switch sides.

Resolution proposed by Louisiana Congressman John Fleming:

"Over the past few weeks, members of Congress and the American people have come to know the details of the Administration's proposed health care plan. Call it whatever you like, I believe this proposal is nothing more than government-run health care. As a physician, I am amazed at the number of bureaucrats in this House who are quick to claim a government-run health care plan is the reform this country needs. In response to this, I have offered a resolution that will offer members of Congress an opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, and urge their colleagues who vote for legislation creating a government-run health care plan to lead by example and enroll themselves in the same public plan.

"Under the current draft of the Democrat healthcare legislation, members of Congress are curiously exempt from the government-run health care option, keeping their existing health plans and services on Capitol Hill. If Members of Congress believe so strongly that government-run health care is the best solution for hard working American families, I think it only fitting that Americans see them lead the way. Public servants should always be accountable and responsible for what they are advocating, and I challenge the American people to demand this from their representatives.

"Together we will work to ensure that any plan that is good enough is for American families is good enough for every member of Congress."

It's all about NEW TAXES
A draft of the House Democrat health care bill is out, and it's been leaked to ATR staff. There are several major tax increases in here, most of which violate the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. They include:

a tax on individuals failing to sign up for health care equal to the lesser of 2.5% of adjusted gross income (AGI) or the average individual premium amount

a tax on employers for not providing a health care plan equal to 8% of payroll. This becomes 0, 4, or 6 percent of payroll as payday totals dip below $400,000 annually

a new and undetermined excise tax on health insurance plans

codification of the "economic substance doctrine," whereby businesses would not be able to engage in legal tax avoidance techniques without demonstrating a bona fide business purpose
delay of worldwide interest allocation, a baby step toward the full double-taxation of corporate profits earned overseas

the big one--a new "surtax" on the AGI of small businesses and other high income earners. Here's the details:
1% on AGI of $350,000 to $500,000
1.5% on AGI of $500,000 to $1,000,000
5.4% on AGI of over $1,000,000
Those brackets are 50% if you're Married Filing Separately, and 80% if you're Single or Head of Household

This will result in a top rate of 45%, and a capital gains rate of over 25%. It's more than that when you factor in that this surtax is NOT on taxable income, but on adjusted gross income (AGI). Factoring that plus state income tax in means that the top rate will exceed 50%, and the capital gains rate will exceed 30%.

And it actually gets a lot worse. Employers would also be mandated to provide health insurance under the bill, and the cost of health insurance would likely skyrocket because of new regulations called guaranteed issue and community rating. The only alternative, which many companies would either be forced into by cost considerations or choose for simplicity, would be to pay a payroll tax of as much as 8 percent. That's on top of the existing 15.3 percent payroll tax for Social Security and Medicare, creating a new total payroll tax of 23.3 percent.

quote from Der Leader-
" a panel of medical experts that are making determinations about what protocols are appropriate for what diseases. "

So lemme get this straight...a government panel will be deciding on how to treat diseases? Why have doctors at all? Sounds like Barry and his statist buddies have it all figured out.

I knew Barry was a liberal, but this is truly unreal. Starting to sound like National Socialism...anybody else feel like it is the late 1930's??? All that's missing are the uniforms.

Posted by: GStern | Jul 16, 2009 11:19:04 AM

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What you fail to realize or fail to understand is that you healthcare provider's board already do that.

Folks who don't have a clue about medicine. Instead they look at the bottom line instead of looking at your health.

So please patch up the hole in this scare toy you are so feverishly trying to blow up.

How about fixing what we've got by starting with TORT REFORM! Why are they not eliminating frivolous lawsuits! Doctors practice defensive diagnosis to avoid lawsuits. Their premiums are through the roof. Fix this first and see what's left to do.

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frivilous is such a subjective term.

but I think healthcare reform is the long pole in the tent. You have a point but let's deal with that later. They are already saying the president is doing too much. Actually healtcare reform will address many of the concerns you stated.