'Facts Are Stubborn Things,' Says White House, Taking On 'Disinformation'

The Obama attempt to capture and nationalize healthcare (nee insurance) is a horrific concept and a blatant illustration of how this administration is intent upon destroying American culture of 250 years and replacing it with his own brand of European socialism. I am 72 years old, a 29 year career air force retiree and always a proud member of the Democratic Party. No more! Mr. Obama fooled me once but I'm no fool myself and can now see him and his people in the clear light of deception uncovered. I'll do my best to make his White House tenure end in 2012.

Yeah, someone tell Obama we asked for health care he'd promised and we want it now.
Now. Not after summer recess. NOW.

Posted by: JoeFivepack | Aug 6, 2009 9:49:53 AM
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Joe, even assuming they pass it, you'll be waiting a LONG time. At least in the House monstrosity, they start TAXING all of us in 2011, but they don't actually implement the health care aspects until 2013. Isn't that nice?

Nice of them to make that aspect widely known too, isn't it? So even the CBO estimates that show it will significantly add to the deficit, are only showing 7 or 8 years of "health care reform" for 9 to 10 years of huge tax increases. SWEEEEEET. (NOT)

A few more weeks or months makes zero difference other than the chances that maybe they'll wake up and see the light, scrap this thing and start over.

HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT! There is not way the govt can give EACH and EVERY citizen the same kind of care. That really is to costly. Hence, it is not a right. People, learn the Constitution. AND, you don't use my money to fund SOCIAL programs.
Social justice and social equality DO NOT equal Liberty.

I hate this plan and this president and all of his mob connections "Chicago" and the entire congress and senate including republicans. "Come Get Me" Want my address?

Right on, Cindee.
The tactic being used is called marginalizing, trying to make those with the truth seem like dangers, or lunatics. It's a classic tactic used by brainwashers, communists, ACORN - oh, and our current administration. The solution is to vote for non-lawyers, non-incumbents, and non-organizers in every election, down to city councils. Lawyers are the most dangerous, as they twist the laws & truth to their will.

Why is the health care reform is only good enough for its sheeple but not the elitist of the Obama administration.

freedom of speech only applies to those that are in agreement with Obama the dictator.

freedom of religion only applies if you are not Christian.

freedom of press soon will only apply to those media resources owned by the federal government.

Soon the progressives will roll over to communism.

Yeah, someone tell Obama we asked for health care he'd promised and we want it now.
Now. Not after summer recess. NOW.

Atlas, if you come over here tonite, I wrote "Somehow I'm thinking we'll never find common ground in our perspectives" in my p.s. and I meant, specifically about the President Obama. I'm sure we can find common ground in other areas:)

Posted by: Alyson | Aug 6, 2009 2:56:47 AM
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Hi Alyson,
I gotcha on that and no worries. :0) Suspect you are right, although I bet with time we wind up closer on the Prez even, one way or the other. Maybe! Let me say also that it wouldn't matter a bit to me if he were republican and an old white guy, or oriental or whatever -- its his policies and attitude towards citizens and his position that I'm having an increasingly difficult time with and would no matter who it was. I'd've been up in arms every bit as much if it'd been Bush too or anyone else I can think of.

bridget - that is BRILLIANT - I'm going to tattle tell on myself , too - I hate obamacare because I love America and I love my patients - if obama loved his country or the sick people in this country as much as I do , he would DROP the public option and make some serious bipartisan reforms - If he does not do this , it is ONLY because he is a socialist who lies about his true plans and I have not been put up to this by anybody - I just know what I'm talking about when it comes to health care (and he apparently does NOT)!!!!

Posted by: tojoley | Aug 5, 2009 7:02:18 PM
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Hi Tojoley,

Instead of tattling on yourself, tattle on Obama and his minions instead. Report yourself and you may wind up with an FBI file or something.

Heck, I think we should each report Linda Douglass for her statements regarding Obama's stance on single-payer, as we have video of his views on the subject from not so long ago, along with various statements since then including during the campaign. Seems pretty fishy to me that she's trying to make out like we can't believe our own eyes and ears.

I think we ought to report Obama too. There have been plenty of statements he's made that seem pretty fishy. Perhaps if reported, they'll get things cleared up for us.

I think we ought to report Rhambo's brother, for his co-authorship of the eugenics book, and find out what his current beliefs on those issues are, as he's in a very influential position within the Obama administration, and that seems like it could be fishy to me.

Fishy examples just keep presenting themselves every day.

Atlas, if you come over here tonite, I wrote "Somehow I'm thinking we'll never find common ground in our perspectives" in my p.s. and I meant, specifically about the President Obama. I'm sure we can find common ground in other areas:)

tojoley,

I want to clarify one thing from my other post, if you see it-- for emr incentives, do you like the current incentives or would you like to see something else, and do you think that will take of the admin stuff I mentioned?

thanks,
Aly

..good reform; (no particular order) a) insurance industry reform to allow true portability and do away with pre-exisitng clauses except for waiting periods but even that would be restricted (waiting periods discourage healthy people from waiting until they get sick to buy insurance) b) tort reforms on non-actual damages with penalties for filing frivilous claims c) prevention prevention prevention d) universal CATASTROPHIC coverage e) meaningful immigration reform f) incentives for primary care and emergency care g) incentives for emr h) expand health savings accounts - more later

Posted by: tojoley | Aug 5, 2009 9:56:30 AM

Thanks tojoley. I'm not sure what you mean when it comes to incentives for emr, but I can't argue with any of these. I do have another question, if you see this. A lot of people find rationed care a scary thought, but, IMO, it already is rationed via the private sector-- and while I've been out of the managed care gig for 7 years,back in the day there were a lot of administrative inefficiencies, and even nightmares, that leave me unconvinced the private sector as it stands can solve the mess (in other words, the private sector is great mantra doesn't work for me-- I saw up close for many years how very ungreat it could be. I don't want government-run medical facilities or physican practices, but I do want some other kind of payment system-- and as a small business owner I want co-ops of some sort. ) I'm not sure where you work but you mentioned insurance reform, so I wondered if you have any thoughts on administrative costs and inefficiencies or rationed care via the private sector. I'd really like to hear your perspective.

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and p.s. to Atlas, thanks for all your posts:) I have no idea why I like them (wink) , but I appreciate the support on the Alinsky thing, and you know, of course, I still like the Prez. Somehow I'm thinking we'll never find common ground in our perspectives but it's interesting to talk about the differences.

and p.p.s. to everyone else, no worries on turning yourself in for the comments posted here (if you're a suspect), I already have!!! (totally kidding!!)

1) obama's long birth certificate?
2) not really our president
3) Now monitoring our emails (publically) for critical information about his push for nationalized care
4) socialism being enacted at a national level
5) congress & president are exempt from this plan
6) democrats = progress?

Hey, keep those critical emails circulating. And add the snitch email flag@whitehouse.gov to your list when you send them.

bridget - that is BRILLIANT - I'm going to tattle tell on myself , too - I hate obamacare because I love America and I love my patients - if obama loved his country or the sick people in this country as much as I do , he would DROP the public option and make some serious bipartisan reforms - If he does not do this , it is ONLY because he is a socialist who lies about his true plans and I have not been put up to this by anybody - I just know what I'm talking about when it comes to health care (and he apparently does NOT)!!!!

HERE'S MY CRITICAL E-MAIL: OBAMA'S HEALTHCARE PLAN SUCKS!!! Oh, yeah, and kiss my ass, too!

I confess. I'm guilty of circulating emails critical of ObamaCare. Lots of them. Moreover, I have every intention of continuing to do so. But to save my friends and family the trouble of informing on me to the White House Internet Snitch Czar, I turned myself in . I'll probably turn myself in every time I circulate a new email. In fact, I think I'll turn myself in for posting this comment.

Posted by: Bridget | Aug 5, 2009 5:12:53 PM
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Heck, that may be a pretty good idea. Maybe it'd accomplish something if they get flooded with a bit of real world view on what they're doing to us.

Where do we snitch at?

The truth is in Title I PROTECTIONS AND STANDARDS FOR QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS in the Ways and Means Committee version of the bill. Section 102 grandfathers existing employer plans, but subsection (i) limits these plans existence to as long as the plans are not modified by any changes. Section 1175 Authority To Deny Plans Bids subsection A adds to the Social Security Act Section 1854(a)(5) that set Medicare to add a new clause Nothing in this section shall be construed as requiring the Secretary to accept any or every bid by an MA organization under this subsection. This can be used to eliminate physician and hospitals.

Folks, let me ask you this. Where is the actual Obamacare PLAN? We have been told the COSTS. We have been told that taxes will start TWO YEARS before the plan is even implemented, so they have two years of tax collection with zero benefit/change to help cover the exhorbitant costs of this plan - taxes start in 2011, plan won't be implemented until 2013. Were you aware it won't even start for 4 years, although they start taxing for it in 2?

But just what is the actual PLAN? Over 1000 pages, and it doesn't contain a health care plan. What will the premiums be? How many options for different levels of coverage will be available? What will the benefits be? What will actually be covered, and what will be excluded? What options will we have for selecting our primary doctor, since we will all be forced into the "exchange" which mandates and HMO format, we won't be able to have a PPO anymore. Will we have ANY option for selecting our own specialists, or will we be relegated to accepting whoever our primary sends us to? What about second opinions? Shoot, for that matter, what if we need a second opinion on something our primary has decreed???

What is, Where is, the actual PLAN and plan options??

How are we POSSIBLY supposed to be expected to compare this to our current health care, when the plan itself doesn't even exist?

From what I gather, we're being told the overall cost to SOCIETY, which we all wind up paying, in terms of taxes, but NOT the individual costs for the plan itself to each of us in terms of premiums, co-pays, deductibles... ALL OF THOSE CRITICAL VALUES.

When I evaluate my health insurance options, regardless if thru my employer or purchased individually, I get PLAN information from EVERY option that is available, and it includes all of this data and more.

Where is the plan itself for Obamacare? They haven't even written it!!! We have NO idea what we will actually be getting for this, beyond the societal costs, and very broad outlines, and LIMITATIONS on the existing system. As the old saying goes "Where's the meat???"

The snitch email is fun. I did ask how much they pay their informants, but they haven't gotten back to me yet.

So far, I've snitched on about 8 or 10 things, including a couple of blog posts on CNN, and an Astroturfing email sent out by Pres. Obama.

Snitch early, snitch often... it's your patriotic duty!