RECENT POSTS
- Under the Stars, Obama Toasts India’s Prime Minister
- White House State Dinner – Who Made the Exclusive Guest List?
- Admiral Mike Mullen To Geneva for START Talks
- VP Biden to Indian Prime Minister: “You’re the Hottest Ticket in Town”
- FLOTUS on the State Dinner: Like a Swan, "Calm and Serene Above Water, But We're Paddling Like Mad, Going Crazy Underneath"
- White House State Dinner: The Menu, Entertainment, and Decor
- Dan Pfeiffer, White House Blogger
- Guests Begin to Arrive for White House State Dinner Festivities
- President Obama on Afghanistan Strategy: “It Is My Intention to Finish the Job”
- The Obamas Kick off their First State Visit, Welcome India's Prime Minister to the White House
MONTHLY ARCHIVES
« Previous | Main | Next »
Jewish Groups Assail Nazi Comparisons Made by Conservatives in Health Care Debate
August 07, 2009 2:14 PM
“Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate,” said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor. “Americans should be able to disagree on the issues without coloring it with Nazi imagery and comparisons to Hitler. This is not where the debate should be at all.”
In this week’s protests at town hall forums, some conservatives have used Nazi imagery to compare President Obama to Adolf Hitler and congressional Democrats to Nazis.
In an interview this week House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said of the town hall protestors loudly assailing President Obama’s health care reform push, “I think they are AstroTurf -- you be the judge, carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care. This initiative is funded by the high end. We call it ‘Astroturf,’ it's not really a grass roots movement. It's AstroTurf by some of the wealthiest people of America.”
That some of the protestors are comparing President Obama and congressional Democrats to Adolph Hitler and Nazis is unquestionably true.
That they’re “carrying swastikas and symbols like that” because the protestors themselves are supportive of Hitler and the Nazis, does not seem to be true at all.
Pelosi’s office says she meant the former, not the latter.
Conservatives seized upon the latter.
Yesterday, conservative talk radio giant Rush Limbaugh said that “the Speaker of the House accusing people showing up at these town hall meetings of wearing Swastikas -- that is not insignificant folks. This woman is deranged. They are unraveling. But that is not insignificant. You have the Democrat Speaker of the House saying that people -- citizens -- who are concerned about health care are now wearing Swastikas. She’s basically saying that we are Nazis. She is saying that the people who oppose this are Nazis.”
Limbaugh said it’s liberals, not conservatives, who are the ones who invite the comparison.
“Obama's got a health care logo that's right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook. Now, what are the similarities between the Democrat Party of today and the Nazi Party in Germany? Well, the Nazis were against big business -- they hated big business. And of course we all know that they were opposed to Jewish capitalism. They were insanely, irrationally against pollution. They were for two years mandatory voluntary service to Germany. They had a whole bunch of make-work projects to keep people working, one of which was the Autobahn. They were against cruelty and vivisection of animals, but in the radical sense of devaluing human life, they banned smoking. They were totally against that. They were for abortion and euthanasia of the undesirables, as we all know, and they were for cradle-to-grave nationalized healthcare.”
Limbaugh said that “this is why I have always bristled when I hear people claim conservativism gets close to Nazism. It is liberalism that's the closest you can get to Nazism and socialism. It's all bundled up under the socialist banner. There are far more similarities between Nancy Pelosi and Adolf Hitler than between these people showing up at town halls to protest a Hitler-like policy that's being heralded like a Hitler-like logo.”
Limbaugh said, “Oh, another similarity. Obama is asking citizens to rat each other out like Hitler did. Obama's the one that's got the snitch website right out of the White House, flag@whitehouse.com, asking citizens to report people who are saying weird, odd things. You know the White House responded, ‘No, no, no, we're not taking names here. We're not taking names. We're just taking people who are putting up faulty arguments and refuting them.’ Well, that's not the intention. Ted Kennedy's dad, by the way, Joe Kennedy, sympathetic to Hitler, sympathetic to the Nazis....[Obama] is sending out his brownshirts to head up opposition to genuine American citizens who want no part of what Barack Obama stands for and is trying to stuff down our throats....Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate. His Cabinet only met once. One day. That was it. Hitler said he didn't need to meet with his Cabinet; he represented the will of the people. He was called the messiah. He said the people spoke through him.”
The ADL’s Foxman specifically said cited Limbaugh’s comparison as offensive, saying “comparisons to the Nazis are deeply offensive and only serve to diminish and trivialize the extent of the Nazi regime’s crimes against humanity and the murder of six million Jews and millions of others in the Holocaust. I don’t see any comparison here. It’s off-center, off-issue and completely inappropriate.”
The American Jewish Congress issued a statement, “The Limbaugh comments comparing Obama ( and Pelosi )to Hitler and the Nazis are grossly offensive and intolerable. They reflect a nasty and hyperbolic tendency on our political culture, one which makes reasoned discourse impossible, confuses disagreement with evil, and which makes it impossible to distinguish evil from ordinary politics. ... It behooves all participants in the political process to unequivocally disavow the comparison and to make it plain that peddlers of such noxious comparison have no place in our politics, no matter how large their audiences. And all Americans should make plain their disgust at the comparisons by talk show hosts by a prompt use of the off button.”
Another such comparison was made in Pueblo, Colorado, shot by an employee of the Democratic-allied Service Employees International Union, as first reported at Talking Points Memo.
In the video, a spokesman for the groups “Patients First” -- part of the conservative group “Americans for Prosperity” -- describing the health care reform bill as pushing euthanasia for the elderly, which he compares to Hitler’s Final Solution for the Jews.
“When you reach 65 and every five years thereafter you’re going to have to have counseling session with some, um, some federal airhead,” he says.
“Part of this process is called End of Life counseling.” He says, a section of House Bill 3200. “And part of End of Life counseling can be an End of Life order. ’End of Life,’ what’s another word for that? ‘Death.’ ‘Order,’ what’s another word for that? A ‘sentence.’”
He says Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, and Robert Mugabe issued “End of Life” orders -- in their respective genocides.
"Adolf Hitler issued six million end of life orders,” the speaker says. “He called his program the Final Solution. I kind of wonder what we're going to call ours."
In House Resolution 3200, page 425 refers to “advance care planning consultation,” defined as a senior and a medical practitioner discussing “advance care planning, if…the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years.” This includes an “explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to,” an “explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses,” and an “explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.”
It directs the medical provider to give the patients “a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning,” and an explanation “of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title,” as well as “an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders.”
Factcheck.org says the “accepted definition of end-of-life planning means thinking ahead about the care you would like to receive at the end of your life -- which may include the choice to reject extraordinary measures of life support, or the choice to embrace them….the bill would not make these sessions mandatory.”
Liberal Salon columnist Glenn Greenwald, pointing out how many conservatives and Jewish groups condemned MoveOn.org in 2004 for two video ad submissions that compared President George W. Bush to Hitler, has challenged the same groups and individuals to condemn Limbaugh.
-- jpt
August 7, 2009 | Permalink | Share | User Comments (165)
You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.
So is it that they don't teach history in American schools or is it that they teach Americanized history in schools?
I beg of you all to please, please pick up a history book and read about Hitler and the Nazi's... so many of you are mistaken, I understand it's not your fault but the fault of Fox News and their hate.
I'd like to point out that in Canada there is public health care and no one is ever 'putdown', nor do you receive a bill for your health care services. You can go to any doctor you'd like and all people are treated as equals. There are no extensive wait times and it seems to work very well and has for a very long time. In regards to talk about 'death panels' and such nonsense I leave you with an example:
Republican's claim that based on "Canadian-style health care" those who are too old or sick will not receive the treatment they require because they are no longer a viable/productive member of society. Recently an 89 year old Canadian man took a fall and was rushed to the hospital. It turns out he needed to have his knee replaced. He met with a specialist and they discussed the procedure and requested that they provide him with his living will so that if there was a problem with the surgery or something drastic happened to him, they would know and honor his wishes. 6 weeks later he entered the hospital and had his knee replaced - no problem, no medical bills and he certainly wasn't put down. He is now working with a physical therapist to get him back on his feet and expects to be walking around in no time.
I don't see why you would all be so against this type of treatment... Odd really.
I am 31 years old and I’ve had the discussion about my ‘end of life plans’. For anyone who has parents, siblings, children or friends this is the responsible thing to do. If you were in a serious accident and left brain dead for example, why would you be so selfish as to ask your family to make a tough decision during an already tough time?!?!? To me that is just insensitive. Every single person should have the opportunity to layout their emergency plan and make decisions for their care. Not doing so is just plain ignorant.
Posted by: Schmoozer | Aug 14, 2009 3:47:00 PM
LongT, two points.
(1) SOME of the demonstrators at the town hall meetings have carried placards showing the swastika and the SS logo. They've been in photos and are easily looked up. Of course the photos may have been faked by the enemy.
(2) Yes, the demonstrators have a right to be heard. So do the speakers.
Posted by: Robert Maxwell | Aug 11, 2009 3:21:59 AM
Corporate propaganda. The spin - "health care", "conservative", "jewish".
Truth - America is becoming more fascist everyday. This is not about right, left, or any special interest. This is about our former freedom. People who get all fired up about what other people think or say, are the same type who would commit the same fascist controlling measures upon others, just in a different way. The government's role in society is spelled out clearly in the constitution? Those who believe absurdities, WILL commit attrosities.
Posted by: Tim Gallien | Aug 10, 2009 12:10:47 PM
I am a Jew. I too lost family in the Holocaust. My question for "Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor", is : Mr Foxman where was the outrage when Nazi symbols were ROUTINELY utilized by the wacko left in caricatures, shirts signs posters and commentary, all directed to Mr. Bush & Mr Cheney?
Posted by: pauldia | Aug 9, 2009 7:42:40 PM
I've seen pictures of signs with Nazi symbols at these mob gatherings. One showed a baby in a carriage with a Nazi symbol. I'm not sure, but suspect Pelosi didn't call those people Nazis. She was saying through their signs and symbols the mob was applying the term to their political enemies.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 9, 2009 2:43:02 PM
Rush Limbaugh raises some interesting questions. One is, since he and a handful of others at Fox News, are the only visible leaders of the anti-Obama movement -- why doesn't he run for office?
Another is that free speech is guaranteed by the Constitution, but can anything at all be done to correct outright lies that are reaching millions of us and galvanizing us into actions that are misguided by any civilized standard?
Both Rush's intentions and his grasp of history are egregious. Three days ago he compared Obama to the USSR for appointing so many "czars." (Russia pulled down the last Czar in 1917 and killed him and his family.)
Now he makes an extended comparison of Obama with Hitler. "Hitler hated capitalism." Is he kidding? The foundation of Nazi Germany's economy was government-endorsed private cartels that were awarded contracts whimsically, more like Boeing and KBR.
And no liberal, Nancy Pelosi included, has ever accused the demonstrators of carrying placards with swastikas and the SS log of representing their own values.
Two months ago, Glen Beck spent one of his programs explaining how Obama's "socialism" was just a mask for "fascism." There was a little thud as both Hitler and Stalin rolled over in their graves.
This wouldn't be so dangerous except that a small but intense group of people who know little of either history or logic are swallowing this stuff and acting on it, to the detriment of the democratic process.
Much of this could be cleared up if Rush and Glen would take part in public debates with people who don't already agree with them, but it won't happen.
Why stick their necks out when they can confine themselves to preaching to the choir? The bottom line is ratings.
Posted by: Robert Maxwell | Aug 9, 2009 2:02:46 PM
There is a grave and sinister tone to the discussions on how America should be run. We do live in a democracy where freedom of speech and public discourse on the solutions are civic responsibilities, what trouble's me most is the hateful and beligerent liars such as Limbaugh, Beck and others. They are hell bent to the point of inciting mob violence and supported by some of most violent groups. I think the majority of Americans would like to have the Towns Hall, remain a format of civil, rational discussion as opposed to a forum of belligerence akin to Mob rule! And for a small few such as the birthers, they need to accept that yes a black man is sitting in the White House and get over their insecurities!
Posted by: wave06 | Aug 9, 2009 9:17:24 AM
I don't think we know anything about what they're planning!
Posted by: LongT | Aug 9, 2009 8:50:47 AM
Nancy started it - nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah! And YET, most news organizations fail to indicate this fact - yet nobody is upset about that! There are no pictures of people carrying swastikas or wearing swastikas at these meetings - so there she goes again - lying. These people can't be trusted with what they say, let alone, with our health care. We have a right to speak out, and it is frustrating because the members of congress have NOT been listening - they voted for TARP, the stimulus, cap and trade - they fail to heed the majority of Americans just look at the polls.
Posted by: Tess | Aug 8, 2009 9:25:31 PM
So riddle me this Batman. If the ADL is so upset about calling Obama a Nazi, why didn't they object when the left referred to Bush in the same way?
We should all be civil however the reason these Americans are so upset is because the meetings are one way conversations with the Dems telling the unwashed masses why ObamCare is the perfect solution to that nasty capitalism that creates real jobs in this country and the questions are controlled so that only softballs are answered. These Congressmen could have diffused the situation by simply stating very firmly that they work for all the people and were there to learn from them. Furthermore that he/she would stay all night until each and every one had his/her say. The time to make up your mind is never. A quote that would have resonated with this visibly angry group
Posted by: Jim | Aug 8, 2009 8:07:02 PM
Bush gets all the blame--he messed up our country, and when Sarah Palin becomes president, since America is stuck on dividing it self, she will finish us all. Ah... America, I knew you will.
Posted by: Zayas | Aug 8, 2009 7:04:51 PM
The trouble is that when the government is following in the same historical path as Nazi Germany did before WW-II, what are we to think?
Sorry, but if the truth hurts, it hurts. Call something what it is and everyone knows the truth. Mask it in some disguise to make it palatable and everyone sees it for what it is...
The truth of health care is that the Obama administration is declaring war on the elderly and the sick. This will be done through rationed health care and formal decisions by government officials to cease treatments according to whatever dictates they like without the patient having input or control of their own destiny.
The best path with this plan, even if passed by our "congress" (note small "c") is to resist and refuse to cooperate with the officials when they try to push you around.
The Nazi comparison is most correct and needs to be foremost in people's minds when viewing what the Democrats have become.
Posted by: Jon | Aug 8, 2009 6:01:56 PM
And be sure to read The Declaration of Independence!
"This was the object of the Declaration of Independence. Not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of, not merely to say things which had never been said before; but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and so firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take." Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Need Fresh Air | Aug 8, 2009 5:58:51 PM
"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." "Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights." "The beauty of the second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
All quotes belong to Thomas Jefferson. Seems to me he might know a thing or two and it would behoove those in D.C. to reflect on the wisdoms of such sages.
Posted by: Need Fresh Air | Aug 8, 2009 5:51:47 PM
You gotta love the Jews. They listen as Obama plunges the knife into Israel's back, then defend him and his shills in Congress with blind loyalty. Wonder what they will say when they find themselves betrayed again? Docility is not conducive to longevity or freedom when the wolf is at the door. Speak up, shout, yell, silence the liars and then vote them out.
Posted by: Big Guy | Aug 8, 2009 1:51:46 PM
Interesting comments.
Posted by: Listenpeople | Aug 8, 2009 1:47:18 PM
I don't listen to Rush, either, because at best, he's a loudmouth bully; at worst, he is a vile, vicious, hate monger extraordinaire.
Posted by: RJDobbs | Aug 8, 2009 12:46:08 PM
I see some are using the Constitution and ask questions such as, "where in the Constitution does it say the government should get involved in private businesses? Where in the constitutiond does it say the government should provide universal health care?"
I don't know where it does or doesn't because I'm not a Constitutional Scholar, but where in the Constitution does it say that the government should provide for Medicaid, Medicare, and the VA Hospital system?
As far as the government "taking over" car companies and other businesses, those businesses had the opportunity to just say "no" to any government relief, and simply go out of business.
Posted by: RJDobbs | Aug 8, 2009 12:27:52 PM
Not that I endorse the GOP, but they do have their own plan for reducing health cost and increasing benefits under insurance to include pre-existing conditions, but Pelosi locked every single republican out of all "health" care planning meetings... The Dems and Obama want this plan for more government control over your lives - nothing else. Read the plan yourself. Don't listen to the lies they spew from their mouths read the death plan yourself and you come up with your own conclusions.
Posted by: M. Pitcher | Aug 8, 2009 12:08:37 PM
I GUESS NO ONE REMEMBERS HOW THE US AND FLORIDA GOVERNMENT STARVED TERRY SCHINDLER SHIAVO TO DEATH BECAUSE SHE WAS MENTALLY HANDICAPPED??? Much more of the same will happen to our sick, handicapped and elderly under the Obama "heatlh" care plan.
Factcheck org is a propaganda lying machine for Obama. They prove this by pimping his forged birth certificate on their website.
Posted by: M. Pitcher | Aug 8, 2009 12:03:37 PM
Post a comment


