Civil Liberties Activists Embrace 'Law & Order' Season Premiere

What do we expect from Hollywood? These are the same people who are trying to shield Roman Polanski and outraged that he would be extradited to face trial for drugging, raping, and sodomizing a 13 year old girl. But apparently it's ok, since the girl is now in her 40's and finally got over it (eg: holds no malice towards him).

The torture I find most abhorrant is using children as human bombs, beheading,chopping off other limbs, and blowing up innocent people hence 9/11. I don't recall America ever doing this. As for Cambodia, we left and what did the left do? Did they protest the killing fields? That is what happens when you have barbaric leaders!I don't recall the peace loving left protesting that! Where was the Geneva Convention after 9/11? Humiliation, water boarding, or any other punishment we have done to terrorists connot be compared to what they have done or would like to do to every living infidel( Non-Muslim)living. Just read the Koran.

A show with such a long record and running time regularly gets this sort of publicity. But it's good though in my opinion because the show is very critical and I think that people in those fields of law do notice it.

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as an independent voter and a patriotic american i can only say that this episode speaks loudly to me. conventional or unconventional combatants should be treated the same. i used to believe that america stood for something greater but alas, we've succumbed to the low road regarding our view of torture. we americans are better than this and need to shout it out loudly. we aren't the best and brightest because we follow the lead of the lowly but because we believe in a greater society than most of the rest of the world. our vision has become clouded by right-wing zealots.

I used to love L & O. Lately it is less entertainment and more in you face politicized. Last night was the last episode for me.

I absolutely loved this episode. IMO, it wasn't left wing or right wing, but reminded us that we, as Americans, must adhere to a higher standard of ethics. How can we criticize terrorists when we ourselves condone & practice terrorist torture methods?

As a New Yorker who watched the Twin Towers burn & fall, I know how easy it is to feel that we must protect ourselves at any cost. But at the cost of our innate goodness? No.

Interesting, too, how the show is over before you know if the verdict is "guilty" or "innocent". The left, foolishly, automatically and always presume guilt first; when it is the opposition being taken to task.

If the show's proverbial show ere on the other foot? You can be darn sure the left's inclination would be to presume innocence first and to allow the trial to play out to its just conclusion.

It's a shame the left is so filled with hate instead of reason and rationale.

I used to love L&O. But over the last couple of years, the writing has followed the radical leftist Hollywood propensity, although they would like to think they accomplish it subtly and cleverly... another example is the episode earlier in the summer when L&O found a completely convoluted way to somehow link/compare tea party protests to the Baader Meinhof gang/RAF of the 70s/80s in Germany. Absolutely absurd and not at all surprising. Those who sympathize with radicals turning the table... which is a main component of Rules of Radicals. Hardly subtle or clever.

the US and the russians are the greatest terrorists in the world since Hitler. they turned their foreign policies into crusades for their respective ideologies, willing to instigate, invade, torture and even murder in the name of their dogmas. both love to preach water while gulping down wine. both love to defend the law while breaking it as often as they can. both will go down in history as the ultimate failures of the mankind.

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Hot air from conservative, right-wing commenters. Your intolerance is disgusting. This show was not about promoting a left or right view, but about the principles of our Constitution and the values that underpin them. It was about the struggle to be true to those principles in difficult times and complex situations. Those people who are saying they will never watch the show again would prefer that everything in life be forced into neat categories of black and white. They want music, poetry, television, movies, novels, etc. to present a neat, unconflicted, unsophisticated view of the world--namely, their view. Fortunately, it's a free country, and you are free to turn off your tv, cancel your newspaper and magazine subscriptions, throw out your library card and hide in a bunker where you can create your own entertainment. Just don't fool yourself that you'll be missed!

I like it when Hollywood postures like the font of all truth and morality. It's comedic, but perhaps not in the way they intend.

Does anyone need to be subjected to pious sanctimony from Hollywood writers, producers and actors who have never stood eyeball to eyeball with someone who wants to cut their heads off? No.

This country has enough of the left's "courageous" calls to patriotism made from behind the shield of brave men and women who do stand eyeball to eyeball with the worst of humanity. That's why nobody watches TV anymore, and why newspapers are going bankrupt. Their views are not patriotic or courageous, just obnoxious.

“Even our schools have fallen victim to the same phenomenon. Political correctness will wreck havock on our country”

I hate it when my havock gets wrecked. The repair work wreaks havoc on my pocketbook.

I saw part of a movie not long ago, I stopped watching about 1/2 an hour into this piece of garbage. The movie was about a terrorist plot to commit some atrocity, I think a biological weapon.
And, imagine, the terrorists were blond Scandanavians ......
Tell me how plausible that is.

This isn't a new phenomenon - plenty of movies & TV shows are basically propaganda to brainwash viewers into supporting left-wing ideas.
What is more troubling is that the mainstream media which is supposed to report facts & accurate analysis does the same. Even our schools have fallen victim to the same phenomenon.
Political correctness will wreck havock on our country, much as it's already done in Europe.
This is especially true re: anything to do with Islam.

"I find it interesting all the people saying they turned it off. It made an argument for both views of the debate."

I didn't see the episode (have never seen L&O). What were the "pro" interrogation views and what makes you think they were presented as forcefully and in as caricature-free manner as the "anti" interrogation views?

pdogg757,
I think your a "suspected terrorist". Say "Good bye" to that family of yours and please report to GITMO so we can get some "human intel". (Do you see the problem with this?)

I am against torture i am neither right wing or left. I am an American. The Hague rules and Geneva conventions were cavalierish rules created and agreed to by countries to be gentlemanly about war and prisoner treatment. That is the conventional way of thought. Al Queda is an unconventional enemy and will require unconventional methods to get human intel. Terrorist have no state, no prime minister, no infrastructure to bomb out to force them to conform. No i don't believe in torture, what i do believe is that making a suspected terrorist as extremely, extremely uncomfortable as possible without causing death. If that keeps my mother from being blown up in building or keeps my daughter from being killed a terrorist attack i am cool with that. if someone has a better way that works than i am open to it.

I can't help thinking we'd be much better of if Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon, and he stood to account for his crimes, especially the fourth article of impeachment, the illegal bombing of Cambodia.

No surprise. "Law and Order" has increasingly had a left wing/civil liberties slant.