At Dole's Request, White House Tells DNC to Pull Health Care Reform Ad

Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 “You appear to be a very young, healthy human being who has no insight to what life can do to change your life in a moment.”
ROTFLMAO. You should be more careful about the assumptions you make.

Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 “You visit your doctor once a year but there may be a time that once a year may not be enough. It may require hugely expensive multiple visits with a life time of treatments of one sort our another. Physical disability, or disease. You name it, it can happen to you too. “
Yes indeed, which is why I maintain low cost catastrophic coverage, the same sort I would support as part of a public option or a government mandate.
Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 “Be compassionate. I promise you it won't hurt you as bad as you might think.”
No doubt it doesn’t hurt you at all to be compassionate with other people’s money.

Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 “You posted: "It keeps costs under control for the rest of us folks who consciencously maintain our coverage." ----- Bridget, wow, think about what you just posted here. So you truly believe that there everybody can "consciously" afford to pay the exorbitant insurance coverage that these profit based corporations force upon us?”
Do you have any idea what the cost of the basic benefit mandated by the government is going to be? Try $5000 for individuals and $10,000 for families. And that’s just to start. The Democrats aren’t even pretending anymore that their plans will do a thing to control the high cost of health care. In fact, by adding tens of millions of new people to the same system with the same number of doctors, nurses, labs, and hospitals will increase demand thereby increasing costs or decreasing service. Obama may walk on water but he can’t repeal the law of supply and demand.

Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 “Do you even know what a "pre-condition" is?”
Yes, and since insurance companies do not have the power to mandate that everybody obtain insurance, it’s the one way they have to make sure that slackers don’t abuse the system to the detriment of the rest of us who conscientiously maintain our coverage.
“Do you know anyone who has lost a job and had to try to pay the super high costs of COBRA or tried to get coverage from other insurance companies for a pre-condition.”
The reason COBRA is so high is because the employee plans provided (in large part at taxpayer expense) are ridiculously expensive. Low copays, low deductibles, and low out of pocket coverage is expensive, and the federal government is following the same path. When my children ceased to become dependents, I scoffed at the COBRA coverage and found them suitable coverage for less than $100 per month.
Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 “I hope you can explain this attitude to our maker when that time comes. Please explain to me, Bridget, would this attitude of yours the same as Jesus if he had a choice about his fellow brothers and sisters? Are we your fellow-brothers and sisters? The un-insured, the pre-conditioned sister, the un-employed, those born with defects, those children of families that are too poor, the suddenly uninsured due to whatever excuse? I Love you, but do you love us? I wonder?”
Show me in the bible where is says I have to pay to provide coverage for people that is more expensive and more gold plated than anything I would willingly pay for myself or my family.

Initially they said the ad was misleading because it claimed Dole supported the dems proposal. Considering Dole said he does not support any of the dem proposals I would say the ad was a lie.

Price Waterhouse on the effect of the weakened mandate in the Baucus bill:

"In states that allow underwriting of individuals (45 states plus the District of Columbia), premiums could increase by approximately 41% to 59% on average by 2016, depending on the strength of the individual coverage requirement. These increases would take several years to be fully realized, but would begin to rise as unhealthy or sick individuals began to purchase coverage, while younger, healthier individuals decided it was less expensive for them to forgo coverage without consequence or consideration of the impact of the overall pool."

The laws of economics simply reflect well-known aspects of human behavior.

I don't understand the hatred directed towards "private profit based" business. I own a business and unless we make a profit I cannot stay in business. I suspect that most of you also work for a company that has the same requirement. Making a profit allows a company to continue to exist, to continue to employee people, to provide benefits like insurance, to invest in making the company solid and sustainable, to invest in our communities, to support local charities, to sponsor youth sports teams, to pay taxes that fund our parks, libraries, and creative arts.

In our quest for responsible healthcare reform, let's not demonize the many good, quality businesses and business owners that take the risks everyday in order to gain a reward (profit) so that we can help make our world a better place.

At the last minute, just a day before the health care committee was supposed to vote on the Baukus plan, the insurance companies suddenly pull the plug, saying that the plan is too expensive. What a slight of hand! They go along with health care reform and then say, "oh, no!" These are the same people who were vehemently against the Clinton plan for health reform and look at how they keep raising the insurance costs.
It's the big money insurance lobbyists who oppose health care reform that are tossing all their money at those in Congress who will stall to protect the status quo.
I am also tired of health care reform opponents whose only idea of change is to pass tort reform legislation. In other words, put a monetary cap on those who have suffered grievous medical injuries.

Many of you know very well that all other industrialized countries in the world DO provide universal health coverage. So, why cannot America do the same? Second, what child or grandparent or any person are you going to deny coverage to? I will tell you what, let us put you in charge to make that decision. You decide if a child is going to live or die or be sick for the rest of their lives because you denied them the need. You can be choose to be GOD with their health or the life. Put yourself in the place of decision and ask yourself, are you able to decide another human being's fait. I ask you now, if you are a Christian, how would Jesus choose in this need for our society and how would Jesus choose for each person's needs for proper health care or life and death. So, I ask again, what would you do?

Be compassionate. I promise you it won't hurt you as bad as you might think.

Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 6:13:08 PM

...The Governments public option 'IS THE ONLY" option to take away the draconian throttlehold of our countries economy and our personal health. These private corporations have more to say about our rights to quality health-care and our rights to live or die than any possible government plans. All for the sake of a greater profit. Do not be fooled by these scoundrels who have lost their compassion and their balance with what is humanely right for our citizens health and what is economically correct for our nations needs. These private, profit-based corporations have become "very unpatriotic and very inhumane." THEIR PROFITS ARE TRUMPING HUMANS". The average single American is not important enough in these corporations books. I vote for a very strong government run public option.

Posted by: dlboggan | Oct 12, 2009 5:40:25 PM

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Nice posts! I vote for a very strong public option as well. It's time to quit watering things down to please AHIP and the GOP.

An Obama internet community organizer paid by the word.

Posted by: Obamatopia | Oct 12, 2009 3:46:00 PM

LOL. I keep getting this from the same handful of folks, likely the same person under different monikers (gotta change monikers often to make it look like there's more of you than there are who think like you, yes? I don't do that but I've noticed many who do.) Glad my posts are so annoying to the opposition that some think I actually get paid for them.

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Obamatopia, a Republican mouthpiece paid by the word.

Posted by: knowerseeker | Oct 12, 2009 4:57:11 PM

I think you're right!! Projection much?

"h most now know socialized medicine doesn't work---it bankrupts the countries its in, forces taxes up, and lower the quality of medical care for all"

Out of every country in the G-8, G-20, OECD etc etc, the United States is the ONLY one without "socialized" medicine.

SHEEPLE

Bridget | Oct 12, 2009 2:22:21 PM: You appear to be a very young, healthy human being who has no insight to what life can do to change your life in a moment. One moment you are healthy, eating right, exercising and the next you are in a wheel chair for life or have life threatening cancer. None of this a "choice". Life happens to every human being and that includes you. You visit your doctor once a year but there may be a time that once a year may not be enough. It may require hugely expensive multiple visits with a life time of treatments of one sort our another. Physical disability, or disease. You name it, it can happen to you too. Today's insurance companies work at minimizing unhealthy and unprofitable people from the insurance rosters. So, I beseech you to reach out and touch your heart upon those who are not the healthy lucky ones and find out through real discovery what the rest of the world has to deal with. Step outside of your box and open your eyes. Be compassionate. I promise you it won't hurt you as bad as you might think.

Bridget | Oct 12, 2009 1:47:41 PM--- You posted: "It keeps costs under control for the rest of us folks who consciencously maintain our coverage." ----- Bridget, wow, think about what you just posted here. So you truly believe that there everybody can "consciously" afford to pay the exorbitant insurance coverage that these profit based corporations force upon us? And when we are self-employed or between jobs or have a small business, you think that it is easy to pay the extremely high premiums and out of pocket costs. Americans can little afford these high costs and be able to start and stay in business. Do you even know what a "pre-condition" is? Do you know anyone who has lost a job and had to try to pay the super high costs of COBRA or tried to get coverage from other insurance companies for a pre-condition. Have you ever met or known of a person who has had their insurance dropped because of any number of excuses that can be dreamed up to save the profits of an insurance company. Do you know an insured person or family that out-of-pocket costs, in one year is a major portion of their income for that year? And all of this SO YOU CAN CONCIENCOUSLY MAINTAIN YOUR COVERAGE. I hope you can explain this attitude to our maker when that time comes. Please explain to me, Bridget, would this attitude of yours the same as Jesus if he had a choice about his fellow brothers and sisters? Are we your fellow-brothers and sisters? The un-insured, the pre-conditioned sister, the un-employed, those born with defects, those children of families that are too poor, the suddenly uninsured due to whatever excuse? I Love you, but do you love us? I wonder?

Craig | Oct 12, 2009 1:38:32 PM -- You posted: "Democrats have an un-filibusterable majority in the Senate, a clear majority in the House, and a sitting President. Why do they keep blaming Republicans for no health care bill ?" ------------- Because Craig, so many people keep falling for their miss-information and lies. Are you one of them?

These corporate, profits over health, insurance companies show how much fear they have created by seeing how many of you have taken up their call. These threats to raise costs is just blackmail. There is no hiding that fact. It is amazing how so many Republicans have fallen into this trap of protecting that which is draining this countries success dry all in the name of higher profits. Small businesses can no longer afford to get started because they cannot afford to pay the already super-high premiums and out-of-pocket costs. Many small and large businesses that have insurance coverage are dropping or minimizing the coverage of their employees just to stay in business or to remain competitive. Why are so many Republicans who have historically been all about protecting business and creating opportunity for new business not seeing this. Why are Republicans so blinded by how many jobs are lost to overseas interests because we cannot compete against their lower costs of ownership as they do not pay the exorbitant health-coverage costs that we are "blackmailed" with. This whole private industry, insurance and pharmaceuticals mostly, are destroying this country from the inside out. The Governments public option 'IS THE ONLY" option to take away the draconian throttlehold of our countries economy and our personal health. These private corporations have more to say about our rights to quality health-care and our rights to live or die than any possible government plans. All for the sake of a greater profit. Do not be fooled by these scoundrels who have lost their compassion and their balance with what is humanely right for our citizens health and what is economically correct for our nations needs. These private, profit-based corporations have become "very unpatriotic and very inhumane." THEIR PROFITS ARE TRUMPING HUMANS". The average single American is not important enough in these corporations books. I vote for a very strong government run public option.

I see Obama's thugs are out ....trying force their health scam down our throat even though most now know socialized medicine doesn't work---it bankrupts the countries its in, forces taxes up, and lower the quality of medical care for all. I say kick the illegals out instead.

We just need public health care, period; forget about insurance reform. Let the well-to-do deal with the worsening insurance if they want to seek private doctors.

Obamatopia, a Republican mouthpiece paid by the word.

Skip, while you may not want to get into a discussion of which will cost more, the problem your party is facing, and the reason Baucus watered down the mandate to begin with, is that many of the uninsured you're always wailing about are healthy young adults who are voluntarily uninsured because their iphones and cable tv subscriptions are higher priorities than health insurance. Many of them voted for Obama in the mistaken belief that he was going to tax somebody else to provide them with free or low cost insurance, and that's not what's going to happen. He now risks losing not only the elderly, but also the young healthy adults who comprise a large percentage of the uninsured. Quite a dilemma.

Alyson

An Obama internet community organizer paid by the word.

Ugh.