Obama: Going Green Akin to Going to The Moon

The AP story is a cherry picked joke. If I sent in numbers 2, 4, 6, 8 what would the next number be? You learn that in grade 2. You hardly need a statistician to figure that out. However, if I send in 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7,6, 6, 6, 6, 6 and then do a linear fit, I still get a RISING TREND even though nearly half the numbers are flat.

Government destroyed data: seems to be a common problem - NASA, NOA and HadCrut (UK Met) have all claimed the "dog" ate their homework when presented with Freedom of Information requests for their data. There used to be 6000 remote weather stations in the US, now there are just over 1000 and they often "interpolate" other stations data to fill in missing station data, Plus if you look at the "adjusted" temperature data you will find it has recently been adjusted uniformly upwards to account for Urban Heat Island effect and much of the raw data has become "unavailable". It has been claimed that the upward adjustment is justified for "time of day" measurements but really it that were true, with a large number of data points that should cancel out. Many stations are in an Urban setting and either the older data should be adjusted upwards, or the urbanized data should be adjusted down .... or what the heck, don't adjust it at all and let the chips fall where they may.

But they don't, they adjust it, and got knows why. Now no one has access to good data. Thanks James. Thanks HadCrut.

Who to you trust? I trust the snow outside. I can see it, I can feel it. Last spring 6 inch snow fall where I live was the last week of April. Most recent 6 inch snowfall was the end of September and it hit 20 below C. I suppose you could call this an anomaly ... but it seems to happen every year where I live in the Greate White North.

Have a good day, eh?

Much prefer the model where millions of homes have their own power sources from solar panels on their roofs and a small, low-sound wind turbine on hand (they are available) -

Posted by: julieterra | Oct 28, 2009 4:11:41 AM

Try getting THAT past my HOA. Ain't gonna fly.

The utility companies must be loving this......As far as the "Man on the Moon" context; Obama is not Kennedy or FDR, no matter how hard he wants us to think it.

How would you feel about a power company setting up 100s of solar panels in the local park?
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Much prefer the model where millions of homes have their own power sources from solar panels on their roofs and a small, low-sound wind turbine on hand (they are available) - coupled with low-energy appliances, and smart regulators to ensure the lowest amount of energy is being used. Passive solar, local and home gardens to reduce oil on food transportation, fewer pesticides, and so on . . .

It will take a multi-pronged approach, it will take less wasted energy, maybe even some healthy exerices . ..

And i'm still looking ahead to fusion.

We have to create the smartest future we can imagine . .. an inspiring challenge.

Julieterra: I really don't want you to answer because that might expose you to some stalker or something, but I do wonder: Where do you live?

Got any big fields near you? How would you feel about a power company setting up 100s of solar panels in the local park?

Or what about wind turbines? Let's put a few 100 of those near your home. Have you ever visited a 'wind farm'? Of course you would have to have been there when the wind was actually blowing. But do you have any idea how totally irritating that sound is?

Everyone talks great when it comes to these types of power sources. At least until they come to your neighborhood.

New power alternates are great. We need them. But none of them are reliable. Some of you folks probably think he can, but the President can't make the sunshine and he can't make the wind blow.

We need to be concentrating NOW on reliable power sources that can be improved to reduce pollution.

The fuels of the future are not going to be fossil fuels. Let's head for the future!

This whole Gorebull and now Obama carbon scam is meant to usher in a world order (see Obama's climate agreement in December) and force the Us to redistribute wealth to 3 rd word nations and the ubber rich marxist/communist bankers wanting to rule the world after divinding it into the ubbers and the rest of us serf, but first they have to kill off the American middle class hence the carbon tax nonsense. Exxon/Enron/Ge/goldman Sachs/George Soros/Gore/Obama stand to make billions and are working to screw the rest of us under this new Green (which really the old Reds) scam.

"Just for the record..the earth is cooling not warming."
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Nonsense. You have not studied this on any scientific level. You have not read all the material available.

Just for the record..the earth is cooling not warming. We are going to have a very very cold winter. 1998 wasn't the warmest for the last 100 years, not even close and Nasa had to retract this little lie. Several years were warmer. Even so, none of the years were out of the earths normal temperature range and in fact the earth has many periods of years being warmer since well before man Carbon---hence Vineland and Greenlands names reflecting their once milder climate. And for pete's sake---the Polar bears are not going extinct. They actually have many more bears now than just a few years ago who are now feeding themselves by gobbling up massive number of baby seals despite Gore and his crooked friends trying to give children nightmares.

Every thing from the earth is warming to polar bears are going extinct is blantant lie by Gorebull and Obama and the rest of the one world order trying to scam the us with this Carbon nonsense.

"The study that 98% of Global Warming alarmists cite has been proven to be a fraud, the data cherry picked & then destroyed by the government funded researchers."

Posted by: A. Lincoln | Oct 27, 2009 7:16:13 PM
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What study are you referring to?

But congress doesn't want to fund the NEW moon missions.
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The president will have to 'rethink' his comments?'

I guess that is more of the same.

"Utilities are heavily regulated (oh no, how socialist!), and in many cases their profits are limited."

Not socialist at all. Public utilites (local electrical generation, water, sewer, and a number of other services) are what economists call "natural monopolies"--an unrestrained free market would naturally tend to a monopoly survivor, after much inefficient turmoil. The sensible decision has been made (long ago, and with no known dispute) that it is most efficient to grant a monopoly franchise to a single supplier, and since unfettered monopoly pricing is decidely inefficient, to regulate the rate that the supplier may charge the consumer.

It is interesting to recognize that such rate regulation allows for a "reasonable return on investment," which is typically in the range of 6 to 8 percent--much higher than the ROI of, say, health insurance companies.

And why do the regulators allow for such a return? Well, ask yourself: if they didn't, who would invest in the construction of the next power plant, or sewer system, or cable TV franchise?

The current religion that revolves around "man-made global warming" is at least as insane as anything since Prohibition, and undoubtedly infinitely more harmful.

Let me pose a thought experiment for the global warming worshipers:

Imagine that tomorrow morning a group of scientists announced that they had devised a means by which the average global temperature (whatever that may mean) could be reduced by any desired amount by a process that involved the expenditure of,say, less than $100 billion, and would impose no restraints whatsoever on the behavior of private individuals.

What would be the reaction of Al Gore? What would be your own reaction? Would he (and you) exclaim, "Hallelujah--the crisis is over, the danger is past. Let us all nominate these scientists for every imaginable Nobel Prize!"

Why should I doubt that you and Gore would do so? Why do you know, in your heart, that my doubt is well-founded?

Please explain.

This is just another chapter of LOBBY ROBBERY,,,another scam to give to corporate America so they can get even richer off of the people. When ALL the savings go to the power companies and the shaft gets stuck to Joe consumer,,,,coming and going,,,, we pay for the upgrade and they charge us more,,,,,,This is a prime example of BOTH parties selling us out for personal and party profit and GREED. Next election,,,BOTH parties need to taste defeat,,,we need to elect ALL Independent candidates,,,,and send a VERY clear message to BOTH parties,,,,you have MISERABLY FAILED at representing the people of this country,in fact you have entered a conspiracy with the lobby dollar we cannot forgive,,,,,R.I H. BOTH PARTIES,,,that's Rot In Hades.

Scientific journals are "right wing tripe" julietta?

Sorry, my favorite reads include New Republic, the liberal Tapper here and Pravda.

Frankly, Pravda is more what nuts like you would term "right wing" than Fox.

You paid posters are pathetic in your ad hominem attacks and avoidance of the real issues.

America does not need an ever expanding (exponentially so) nanny state, nor do we need the endless propaganda from all angles, and that includes paid trolls.

You trolls are so obvious and get called out repeatedly for it to the point of comedy (as mainly a lurker).

Carry on displaced Acorn workers.

Lennin had a name for you folks. Look it up (after you put down the Alinski)...

the earth has been cooling now for the last eleven years.

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Sigh.

If you'd like to be current, I recommend an article by AP science reporter Seth Borenstein. Its called "Impact: Statisticians reject global cooling" and it is an excellent example of inventive investigative journalism.

Because the cooling canard is a centerpiece of misrepresentations by George Will and others, Borenstein decided to put metereological data under the examination and analysis of statisticians unaware of the data stream that they were seeing. No bias, in other words.

Here's one quote but you can google it to read the whole article. It may be worth your time--

“If you look at the data and sort of cherry-pick a micro-trend within a bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect,” said John Grego, a professor of statistics at the University of South Carolina.

The bottom line is that the loudly and smugly proclaimed hypothesis of a cooling globe since 1998 has, again, been tested and found wanting.

"The study that 98% of Global Warming alarmists cite has been proven to be a fraud, the data cherry picked & then destroyed by the government funded researchers."
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What study are you referring to?

The study that 98% of Global Warming alarmists cite has been proven to be a fraud, the data cherry picked & then destroyed by the government funded researchers.

I am all for doing whatever we can to fight pollution, but the fact is that the earth has been cooling now for the last eleven years.

Global Warming & the so called "green movement" is just another redistribution scam on the part of govnernment & fat cats like Al Gore & Obama's crowd. Take a look at the scam that was Van Jones.

Follow the money. This is the biggest tax scam in history for nothing but the sake of enriching government & government cronies at the expense of individual freedom and wealth.

Cap n tax is another sick joke perpetrated on us by an out of control government.

Wellll, it's akin to going to the moon because you think it's made of green cheeze. Makes about as much sense too.