White House Pushes Back Against Cheney

gwen...."Obama leads the hypothetical...." That's fine by me, Obama can lead the "hypothetical country" in 2012.. Who says libs don't have a sense of humor...LOL...LOL...

BTW treblig56...Obama campaigned on the Afghan issue in 2008, he and he alone accepted the challenge of taking on the Afghans, it is now his "Iraq" or "Vietnam" "I will focus on Afghanistan....Nov 7, 2008." Not Bush/Cheney...He could have had the option of pulling out troops as a a newly elected President he chose to increase troop strength Feb/2009 issues orders two more brigades to region....It is now his war....

Cheney is an evil nutcase and Ann Colter looks like the Pumkin King from The Nightmare before Christmas. The two of them are lunatics. Posted by: Davina | Oct 23, 2009 9:44:46 AM
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Davina-how your heart has been in full of EVIL THINGS WORK. THAT'S TOO BAD! POOR DAVINA!!!!!

DO YOU KNOW THAT OBAMA'S INEXPERIENCED OF ANY MILITALY UNITS IN USA YIELD MUCH 6 TIMES MORE VICTIMS UNTIL DEATH THAN BUSH + CHENY TIMES FROM AFGHNISTAN WAR ??????????? KEEP IT UP! CHENY

There is a good name for Ann Coulter but I can't use it in polite society. Why would anyone listen to this woman??? She clearly is an idiot and doesn't deserve the air time. Please get her off the air so the rest of the female population can hold our heads high. Seriously, what idiot employs someone so clueless or better yet which idiot made the decision to put her in front of a camera and spout her nonsense???????????

Cheney is an evil nutcase and Ann Colter looks like the Pumkin King from The Nightmare before Christmas. The two of them are lunatics.

How bout that Ann Coulter, what a bimbo. She basically said in her interview this morning the people of Iraq deserved the Illegal war there because it was easier to win there. Did she ask Iraqi's permission?

It seems strange that Cheney all of a sudden is making sense to me. It is very strange that Obama's team has nothing better to do than add fuel to Cheney's fire.
If Obama and his team were smart they would leave him alone to talk amongst himself.
The time moves so slow with Obama in the WH and the troops overseas without getting what they need.
Mr. President give the troops what they need, more help and quit stalling. Let's fix it after all. This is Bush's War or Obama's War it is all of our War. Let's finally end the threats and get people home. Fix the problem already and move on.

As for Cheney being a great military strategist: he is neither a strategist, nor is he schooled in the operational art of warfare, nor is he a tactician, nor is he a general, nor is he a soldier, other than that he is a great military man.

You guys cannot be serious.

You are discussing reelection already while the context is about our troops in harms way?

Get a grip: our troops are asking for reinforcements, that needs to be addressed as such. Anyone want to argue Afghanistan is stable? Nope, didn't think so: deal with the problem at hand.

Bush is out of office, Obama owns this now. It came with the job, he should have been prepared for it when he applied. This crybaby garbage is like complaining about a busted up car bought from a shady car salemen... what the hell did you expect?

Spinning history one way or the other is idiotic; it changes nothing, it does nothing, and the longer it goes on, the longer our troops bleed.

Stop being a bunch of petty jack*sses, get out of campaign mode and get into American mode.

More insane blabbering by the sociopath we call the ex vice president. And one more insane mess Obama has to clean up from that vice president's administration. I would much rather have a president who actually thinks before acting rather than one, like Bush,who simply acted in a rash and dangerous manner. Strategy and analysis take time. Iknow, I know - we are not used to seeing that in a president. Don't worry! It's a refreshing change.

Bush kept these wars going long enough to get out of town, what a president (with a small "p"). Then President Obama (grant it that he underestimated the stituation - his mistake) in office for 9 months and this is now his wars -he started and now have to finish. Do anyone think of the last 7-8 years these wars been going on. Who in their right mind can imagine ending an 8 year war in 9 months. Did Vietnam end 9 months after it was decided to "end" it.

You know what: the hell with polls. Obama will do what he needs in one 4-year term. After the Republicans smear him, I would not want him to have a second term.

You guys best pay attention here. This adminstration is bent on suppressing all dissent. Obama promised the end of politics as usual and instead makes Richard Nixon look like Mother Teresa.

Obama said that we should be able to disagree without being disagreeable and he's looking to control the media entirely.

The stupid among us listen to Obama's public pleadings while missing his actions. They still think he's a ncie guy.

He is not a nice guy. He's a nice guy like Al Capone was a nice guy and we're all in Chicago now.

This proves that Cheney is right.

And who can blame Cheney for saying anything? Obama does nothing but blame others for everything, including that stupid stimulus failure. Nothing is ever going to be Obama's fault.

Obama fights harder against Fox News than he does against Al Qaida. He's more concerned about the insurgence of Fox News than the insurgence in Afghanistan.

He capitulates to Russia and Iran and gets nothing in return and then gets tough with Israel.

How sick is that?

I think Obama supporters would prefer to think he were like Reagan due to his poor poll numbers, as opposed to say Jimmy Carter. The problem is, Obama is letting show through his nasty side.
He has repeatedly said things that the "other side" uses fear, and then proceeds immediately to do the same. He and his administration villify any opposition they have.
Reagan was a likeable person and stayed above the fray.
It is entirely wishful thinking to think his poll numbers will rise. The lack of support for his health care plan, yet he wants to push it through, anyone think this will endear him to anyone but his base?

Why would the White House engage Cheney? They are smart people.. do they want to keep up this history lesson or is better than talking about what they have one their plate.. today?

I think it's funny that Cheney can shoot a gun at their feet and they will dance wildly.. it's surreal.

It was obvious that the focus wasn’t on Afghanistan and NATO wasn’t going to pick to slack for America, after all the rest of the world knew that this war was a sham. Bush sat on his hands from the very beginning; remember when he was being told we were being attached he just kept reading a children’s book. Then after 911 he let the friends and family of the Bin Laden’s go and gave Bin Laden a 4 month head start, all while trying to put blame on Iraq. Obama is no better, he renewed the Patriot Act and is now expanding the War even though the President of Afghanistan was recently quoted as saying there are no Al qadia in his country. Yet all you pro war people say remember 911. Well I remember how we left all the rescue workers down by denying their claims for serious health problems sustained from the dust of 911 and any moneys that were allocated ran out in 08. America is disgrace. It amazes me how many people still believe this is a war about catching the perpetrators of 911 and it’s not, 14 of the hijackers were Saudi’s and later on we found out that a Pakistani Military Commander wire transferred money to one of the 911 hijackers. Also Bush had prior knowledge of the 911 plot many months before it all went down. There is this video on U Tube that explains all lot about who is behind the curtain or the scenes pulling all the strings to rope us into WW3, its called Zeit-geist. The only terrorist are US citizens and politicians that believe were at war to fight people who want to harm us and that is just stupid. Americans are the terrorist of the world!

We do not believe that this President in particular should be lectured by Dic. In viwe of the blatantly deceptive decisions made by Dic, no one in their right minds would ever want him & his cronies making decision on behalf of the United States of America. Cheney is th type who would force people to to tell abominable lies (ie Powell) just to continue his vast deception.
Should a thorough investigation ever be held, Cheney may be exposed as the most deceptive political rat in the 250+ years of the Republic's history.
This President is one of the very best ever witnessed in US history.
He is not perfect. But wow, he is dam excellent.
Amen

True, but it was clear that then, like now, that the GOP wasn't very popular. For all we know, conservatives could split their vote between a Republican candidate and an independent conservative. That would be fun :>)

The libbieloser poster points out that many times the GOP is not the popular party. If you realize that the GOP is the party of productive, wealthy, independent people who pay almost all of the taxes, and that the liberrats are the indolent, parasitic welfare rats, it becomes clear why there are more dummycraps. There will ALWAYS be far more takers than there are givers

...Obama’s average quarterly approval rating has slipped from 62 percent in the second quarter to 52.9 percent in the third quarter, according to Gallup polling. That 9 percentage point decline is twice the amount of any other post-war elected president. Dwight Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan saw their standing decline 4 points between the two quarters. No other elected president has declined more than 4 points since 1953. The third quarter began July 20 and ended October 19."

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 22, 2009 10:34:00 PM

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Yes, and what does that imply? Let’s look at it using the Gallop data, from the same report you cite, to see if we can discern a trend.

President----Period----Average---Re-elected

Eisenhower-----1953-------68%-------Yes
Kennedy--------1961-------77%-------NA
Nixon----------1969-------60%-------Yes
Carter---------1977-------60%-------No
Reagan---------1981-------57%-------Yes
G. H. W. Bush--1989-------69%-------No
Clinton--------1993-------48%-------Yes
G. W. Bush-----2001-------72%-------Yes
Obama----------2009-------53%------?

1) Carter and Reagan had the exact same high rating. Carter lost and Reagan won reelection.

2) G. H. W. Bush had a high 69% and Clinton a low 48%. Bush lost and Clinton won reelection.

3) Eisenhower and G. W. Bush had highs and both won reelection.

On the face of it, the odds would appear to slightly favor that Barack would not be reelected.

However, G. W. Bush got a was 51% approval on August 20, 2001 and shot up to 90% on Sept 21, 2001 (a 39% boost due to the unforeseen Sept 11, 2001 attack).

So, it is reasonable to expect that Bushes would have ended up below 50% at this point in the 1st term.

Then, we are left with the realistic comparison that Gallop comes to. That is the Obama compares to
Reagan because of the similar circumstances and rating in the administrations. Both took office as the nation's economy was in perilous times. Reagan was at 60% at six months, but his standing slipped below 50% by the end of his first year in office as the jobless rate swelled.

Looks like, if Obama gets the Health Care Bill passed, he will be a re-run of Reagan’s election destiny. If we have another terrorist attack (and I hope we don't), he will get a boost like Bush.

Either way he would be a shoe-in for a reelection.

"Where on the RCP website can we find this culled average? I have asked this question four times before, and you ignore it. Why? Is it true that you have just been slapping the RCP label on your own selective calculations?"

(a) Go to the RCP website and look at all of the polls that make up their average. Each is identified as to whether it polls adults ("A"), registered voters ("RV"), or likely voters ("LV"). Add the numbers up, and divide by the number of polls. I hope you don't find this too taxing.

(b) You may find this hard to believe, but I don't read all of the questions you ask. I have not answered it before because I have never seen it.

(c) No. (See (a), above.)
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 22, 2009 11:55:53 PM

(1) Ah, so after I explained to you a few weeks ago what the A, RV, and LV meant, you were able to figure out how to do your own averages. Very good. Glad I could help. You did make a little boo-boo the other day when you averaged 47%, 49% and 53% to 49.33%. But I see your math has improved since then. Very good.

(2) Selective vision, perhaps.

(3) No, you say? You haven't been calculating YOUR own average of only YOUR favorite polls, then calling YOUR result an “RCP average”? How the heck have you been coming up with these specialized “RCP” averages then?