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After "Messy" Process, President Obama Congratulates Afghanistan’s “Legitimate” – If Not “Credible” --- President
November 02, 2009 3:42 PM
ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:
President Obama telephoned Hamid Karzai at roughly 1:45 pm ET this afternoon, delivering to him the best wishes of the United States for a second presidential term after an election fraught with corruption and accusations of illegitimacy.
“I congratulated him on his election for a second term as president of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan,” Mr. Obama told reporters as he sat in the Oval Office next to the prime minister of Sweden. “You know, although the process was messy, I’m pleased to say that the final outcome was determined in accordance with Afghan law.”
For weeks the Obama administration insisted that if the independent body investigating election fraud ultimately concluded that Karzai had received less than 50% of the vote, Karazi and his top challenger Dr. Abdullah Abdullah would need to either enter into an election run-off or some form of unity government.
At the G-20 Summit in Pittsburgh on September 25, President Obama said “allegations of fraud in the recent election (in Afghanistan) are of concern to us” and he declared that “what's most important is that there's a sense of legitimacy in Afghanistan among the Afghan people for their government."
Today the White House was asked if there is a sense of legitimacy in Afghanistan among the Afghan people for the Karzai government.
“I have no reason to believe there's not,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.
Today the president said the fact that an orderly outcome – a run-off election ordered and agreed to, if not carried out – was “very important not only for the international community which has so much invested in Afghan’s success but most importantly it is important for the Afghan people that the results were in accordance with and followed the rules laid down by the Afghan constitution.”
The shift likely owes more to President Obama’s belief that at this point the least worse option in the Afghan electoral mess is to accept Karzai, who won a significant plurality of votes in August even after disputed ballots were removed from consideration.
Mr. Obama made sure to underscore his dissatisfaction with the leadership of the president whose re-election he was re-affirming, saying he told Karzai that the American people and the international community want to continue their partnership, but he also “emphasized that this has to be a point in time in which we begin to write a new chapter” in Afghanistan’s history, “based on improved governance, a much more serious effort to eradicate corruption,” and more joint training of Afghan forces “so the Afghan people can provide for their own security.”
“That kind of coordination and a sense on the part of President Karzai that after some difficult years when there’s been some drift that he is going to move boldly and forcefully forward to take advantage of the international community’s interest with his country, to initiate reform internally, that has to be one of our highest priorities,” the president said.
“He assured me that he understood the importance of this moment,” Mr. Obama reported. But, he said, he told him, “the proof is not going to be in words, it’s going to be in deeds.”
So how will this decision impact President Obama’s decision on strategy going forward in Afghanistan?
White House officials insist they never were under the impression that the next president of Afghanistan was going to be the Second Coming of Thomas Jefferson; there were always going to be issues, they say, when it came to governance, corruption, training Afghan security forces, and expanding the president’s power beyond Kabul.
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The Obama administration is splitting a diplomatic hair in its acceptance of Karzai, declaring him “legitimate” but not necessarily “credible” – not yet, anyway.
Earlier, asked if Karzai was the legitimate, credible partner President Obama and his team have repeatedly said the U.S. effort in Afghanistan needs, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters that “everyone can take heart in the notion that the laws of Afghanistan and the institutions of Afghanistan prevailed. President Karzai has been declared the winner of the Afghan election and will head the next government of Afghanistan. So, obviously, he's the legitimate leader of the country.”
State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters “legitimacy is derived from the government respecting the will of the Afghan people and obeying Afghanistan's laws and institutions.
And what we're seeing so far is all of these laws and institutions being respected.”
As for Karzai’s credibility, Gibbs said, “nobody has ever made the accusation that credibility was going to be had simply out of one election,”
The White House spokesman insisted “that would have been true, quite frankly, whomever got elected and whoever participated….The conversations that now have to be had and continued with the Afghan government are the steps that they're going to take to improve their governance, to improve their civil society, and to address fraud and corruption.”
“Now begin the hard conversations about ensuring credibility,” Gibbs said. “We are focused on what has to happen in order to have a credible partner” in preparation for when U.S. troops leave the country, he said, so “when ultimately we leave, there's somebody there that can sustain the progress that's been made. Obviously, one of the things that has been talked quite a bit about in the Situation Room meetings is, how do we create an environment that best trains Afghan national army and Afghan national police as part of an Afghan national security force?”
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Karzai’s legitimacy, of course, is not so obvious to everyone.
The first Afghan-run election, held in August, was riddled with so much fraud more than a million ballots were thrown out by the United Nations-backed Electoral Complains Commission. When Abdullah withdrew today he said he was worried fraud would continue. He had had asked Karzai to remove the head of the Independent Electoral Commission; Karzai refused.
When it was pointed out to him that quite obviously Abdullah has some questions about Karzai’s legitimacy, Gibbs said, “Dr. Abdullah made his own personal and political decision about this particular run-off.” Gibbs argued that the investigation into allegations of fraud “worked, throwing out enough votes to require a second round, and convincing President Karzai to participate in that, which clearly was not by any means a given”
Obama administration officials argued that Abdullah was likely to lose Saturday’s run-off election, and suggested his withdrawal was his seizing an opportunity to make a point about corruption.
Gibbs pointed out that even after the ballots were thrown out, “you saw that Dr. Abdullah trailed by a fairly large margin President Karzai.”
“So,” Gibbs said, “I don't think there's any reason to believe that the Afghan people won't think this government is as legitimate as it is.”
-Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
November 2, 2009 in Afghanistan, Current Affairs, Obama, Barack, White House | Permalink | Share | User Comments (50)
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We need to get out of AfPak.
This is going to be a bigger disaster than Vietnam with O running the show.
Too bad we went from the bumbling Bush to this. America deserves better than what we have been spoon fed by the corrupt two party system.
Posted by: Lincoln | Nov 3, 2009 2:39:15 PM
I know they formally congratulated him, but I have to agree with some of the media outlets that are saying this is going to for sure complicate things with the Obama administration.
Posted by: Stephanie | Nov 3, 2009 11:55:27 AM
The right wing dodo birds know no history. Just what they've been told by the multi-million-dollar-salaried media bozos for the right.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 3, 2009 3:36:34 AM
The "right-wing dodo birds" do understand that President Obama announced his Af-Pak strategy in March and except for spending more money and sending more troops, he has yet to accomplish much. Now he is rethinking his plan that he implemented 8 just months ago. I guess that's "Change You Can Be Confused With."
He was supposed to be "the most prepared President ever" according to press reports last December. He steals the previous administration's Ag-Pak plan, waits 6 months and then changes his mind.
Obama announced that an additional 17,000 U.S. troops would be sent to Afghanistan. 4,000 (not sure if that's part of the 17,000 or more troops) will train Afghan soldiers and the national police. Obama said in March that they will have more than 130,000 soldiers and 82,000 police officers trained by 2011. He said the rest of the troops will be given expanded counter-terrorism assignments and charged with defeating Al Qaeda, not just killing them in isolation.
So what's the progress in those areas? Anyone? Feel free to jump in...
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 3, 2009 9:34:12 AM
For some reason this sure smells like a Chicago style election. Abdullah's dropping out was somewhat convenient don't ya think?
Posted by: hkdakota | Nov 3, 2009 8:45:43 AM
Obama is looking for 'circumstances beyond his control' as cover for leaving the Taliban alone. If Americans really do want to put 9/11 behind them as though it never happened, eliminating the need to confront our enemies, then let's get out of Afghanistan now before more of our soldiers are sacrificed on the alter of Obama-confusion.
Posted by: bluecollarbytes | Nov 3, 2009 8:14:56 AM
We have our puppet in place. Now Obama can escalate the war.
Posted by: indymind | Nov 3, 2009 6:50:58 AM
Well now Obama is EXACTLY like Karzai. They were both "legitimately" elected to office, and NEITHER are credible OR worth a damn!
Posted by: Machod | Nov 3, 2009 4:22:05 AM
"To Are you serious, are you serious? Meanwhile....our troops die.
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Where have you been since the war in Afghanistan started in 2001? Or did you only just realize that our troops are dying? Have your ever heard of the Iraq war?"
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The right wing dodo birds know no history. Just what they've been told by the multi-million-dollar-salaried media bozos for the right.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 3, 2009 3:36:34 AM
One worthless leader congratulates another worthless leader...
Change.... yeah, right!!
Posted by: Fed_up_with_BOTH_Parties | Nov 3, 2009 1:21:34 AM
To Are you serious, are you serious?Where have you been since the war in Afghanistan started in 2001? Or did you only just realize that our troops are dying? Have your ever heard of the Iraq war?
Posted by: Peanut | Nov 2, 2009 11:48:21 PM
To Are you serious, are you serious?Where have you been since the war in Afghanistan started in 2001? Or did you only just realize that our troops are dying? Have your ever heard of the Iraq war?
Posted by: Peanut | Nov 2, 2009 11:44:33 PM
Meanwhile....our troops die.
Posted by: Are you serious | Nov 2, 2009 11:20:58 PM
young voter,
You are very good...
Posted by: tanarg | Nov 2, 2009 11:10:10 PM
Obama telling another president to get his act together as he trashes the US Economy and tries to drive us down into the pit of socialism. I'm sure Karzai was laughing quietly. What a joke. How's that troop deployment coming along - last August is not getting any closer!! Did you get permission from moveon.duh and the other Marxist bloggers yet?? LOL Worst President Ever.
Posted by: shepard148 | Nov 2, 2009 10:49:22 PM
If that clown is Legit then Obama is smart.
Posted by: CC | Nov 2, 2009 10:33:53 PM
Karzai's credibility will be determined the day the US and NATO leave Afghanistan. If the people truly elected him they will let him govern if not God help him but it is time to let him govern without any major props.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | Nov 2, 2009 10:21:49 PM
This is to Cir, I believe that you have that mistaken. I believe the ballot stuffers were in the Bush and Cheney elections. Thank You.
Posted by: MilWife | Nov 2, 2009 9:50:43 PM
All the Obama-bashing AmeriCONS on here fully supported George Bush when he stole the 2000 election. What makes Karzai's offenses any worse than George Bush's in 2000. That he is an Arab? Hypocricy is rampant throughout comments beneath Jake Tapper anti-Obama articles. Jake Tapper who in his own words is the grandson of a staunch conservative.
Posted by: Peanut | Nov 2, 2009 9:48:11 PM
Obama goes to Europe and apologizes for the arrogance of previous American, goes to Africa and tells the leaders to clean up their act, tells Afghanistan and Pakistan to get with it and do what we tell them, but it is all in the name of diplomacy not arrogance. When Putin becomes the Russian Charlie Wilson then figure out what to do with our troops.
Posted by: Pablo | Nov 2, 2009 9:24:45 PM
Too bad Obama couldn't do the same in Honduras. I guess he owed Chavez a favor.
Posted by: Dave C | Nov 2, 2009 9:21:42 PM
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