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Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

November 09, 2009 6:30 PM

Abc_sunlen_miller_090309_mn From Sunlen Miller:

During an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper today, President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”

Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time. The Senate removed that provision in the Senate Finance Committee.

Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance.  That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now.

Read more from Jake Tapper’s interview with President Obama HERE.

-Sunlen Miller

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Nobody is ever going to jail for not having health care. Also, the "purposed" penalty would NOT apply to low income individuals or families. So for the unmarried mother that does not work, this penalty does not even apply to you. The idea is to only penalize people that make ample money but choose not to purchase coverage and expect to receive medical care when they need it. Who do you think pays for that? Yes, you and me. It's interesting to me that imposing penalties for not having health insurance has been around for awhile. Just take a look at penalties for Massachusetts residents who can afford health insurance but do not purchase it. The maximum penalty for those who flout the law and do not buy health insurance will be $912 a year for 2008, compared to $219 in 2007. The health reform law, signed by former governor Mitt Romney in April 2006. It’s very disappointing how people base their ideas and principles on clips from biased media sources. Do yourself and America a favor and do your due diligence before making decisions that affect the integrity of this country. Use common sense, and stop believing everything you hear or read as accurate or even true. You might as well say you didn’t like a movie after watching the just trailer and hearing a critics’ thought.

Posted by: People Believe Anything | Dec 12, 2009 7:42:32 PM

Im a stay at home mom, my boyfriend and i are not married for me to recieve his benefits and im not going get married just for that reasoning. I do not work to receive healthcare and my boyfriend makes to much to get medical card through welfare, so what options would there be for citizens such as myself in this situation. The president needs to remember that in a recession and people losing jobs, they obviously can not afford healthcare. and for myself who is in college online with a 2 year old at home. i would be working for daycare costs and thats it. what the heck does anyone have to do to get that across. Yeah free country, heard that one. whats free anymore. now we are forced to do something we arent able to do. UMMM if i could afford healthcare wouldnt i have it already to begin. he with. Obama better look at the low income families, and realize one thing. if it was this easy, it would already be done.I have bills to pay to keep my children warm, clothed, and fed. my house needs repairs and i need my vehicles fixed. i think this is absolutely absurd, and we should not be forced into anything. they will find anyway to take us for more money. Seatbelts you get tickets. health insurance you get fined if without. c'mon whats next. are we going to get in trouble smoking in our own home now. they already banned that in public places. freedom is far from the word needing to be used. its like now the government wants to control us. soon we will have to have cameras in our homes so the government can watch our every move. its trapping, and forcing us to live rich and some of us are far from that. Homeless poeple, who have no job no home, no car, whats going to happen to them, they going to send them off somewhere else, is slavery going to come back into play????? remmeber this this is what it seems it will eventually come to. and eventually we wont be able to leaves comments on here, because our opinion will be illigal.

Posted by: Holly | Dec 10, 2009 3:01:29 AM

I had pretty much enough of posting about this mess after a few weeks passed. Heck I went to nearly every site I could, registered if needed, and posted about it..

Next thing I did was started bringing up the topic with friends and family...

The Irony here, is alot of my friends, especially co-workers, had voted for Obama..

Their response on average 'No way.. There is no way the courts would let that happen, and let someone goto jail for not paying a tax due to not having health insurance'

I said.. Well, way. Take a look at the document on the internet. Get health insurance, or else pay, if you don't pay.. you may goto jail..

The really crazy thing here, is the smoke and mirrors put up. 'Oh well.. if you don't get Health Insurance, well then it's just a 'tax' added to your taxes.. and hence.. well it's not that you goto jail for not paying.. it's that you goto jail for not paying your taxes!!'

Just wow.. I find it so funny.. An average 3rd grader with some intelligence can see clearly what is going on here.. what does Obama think were all a bunch of dumb cattle waiting for his brand to be put on us?

I'm sorry, I'm not someone to get into politics, not some crazed super 'all for freedom' type with a gun in my hand.. etc.. I'm just an average joe working hard, and what I've seen going on here.. it's just wrong. I figure I can just stand on the sidelines and do nothing, or I can start saying something now.

And I don't care about the president's skin color, and I don't care about the president being republican or democrat..

I care about our government turning into a dictatorship.. That I care about.

I care about our countries government casting away honor and and true values for the sake of 'making things work'..

Obama reminds me of a dirty company executive.. the type that only see's the dollar value on things.. and does whatever it takes to get the 'best bang for the buck'.. even if it means sacrificing integrity, even if it means stealing from others.. even if it means shaking hands with the enemy.. Whatever makes the system work..

That's not the America I have believed in for so long. And no matter what happens, I will always beleive in the good men and women whom sacrifice themselves for this country, yet it would be a sad day to see myself hate the leader whom gives them orders :( ..

Posted by: Sornan | Dec 8, 2009 2:36:38 PM

I am trying to figure out why it is we spend so much on health insurance but then have to turn around and pay a deductible at the upwards of $12,500 per calendar year. Our health care system is completely screwed up any way you look at it and no one is making it better it's just going to cost us more in one way or another.

Posted by: Kraus | Dec 2, 2009 11:47:46 AM

democracy and freedom was not suppose to suceed in the beginning and we are getting screwed for it. and again people who commit crimes go to prison and most of them are on death penalty and yet it is not taken care of and so the prison gets crowded and and they get to live the a life of low royalty. they get a free bed a free meal and FREE HEALTH INSURANCE while GOOD CITIZENS ARE SCREWED EVERYDAY. how fair does that sound?

Posted by: alicia | Dec 1, 2009 12:42:44 PM

dude does no one realize that if people go to jail for not paying for health insurance or health care or whatever that they will be given free health care in prison? citizens are paying prisoner's health care, we are rewarding them for doing crimes in this country, and those who work they're asses off and cant afford health care are getting screwed over.

Posted by: alicia | Dec 1, 2009 12:22:40 PM

I have not read the healthcare bill, so I cannot comment on the details that it contains. I can comment on this. If the current healthcare system was working properly, if people were not being denied health insurance because 7 years ago they had bronchitis, if the insurance companies were not teling doctors that they cannot provide the services that the patients need because they refuse to pay for treatments deemed 'experimental', if clinic owners were not telling doctors, "you have 10 minutes with your patients and then you have to move on to the next one", if hospitals didn't threaten to remove doctors from their payrolls because they weren't ordering enough tests, if doctors did not bill medicaid and medicare for services that were never performed, if hospitals didn't charge $10 for a single tylenol and $100 for a plastic tray with a toothbrush and toothpaste, if everyone was doing what they are supposed to do and not looking for a free ride or a way to get rich quick, then the issue of health care reform would have never come up. What are you doing personally to be responsible in managing your own health? Do you eat healthy food or do you stop by a fast food restaurant because you feel that you need to eat something quick? do you make sure you get at least 8 hours of sleep everynight so your body can recuperate from the previous day's activites? Do you exercise regularly and respect your body's limitations? There is a story about a man walking along the beach that was littered with starfish that had been washed ashore. As he walked he stopped and picked up each starfish and threw it back into the ocean. An onlooker said to him, "why are you doing this?, you can't possible save them all and for every one you throw back, two more wash ashore. What you are doing doesn't matter." The man reached down and picked up another starfish and and as he tossed it back, he said, "it matters to this one". Be the man, do the right thing for yourself, for your family, for your community and the world, together we can make a difference.

Posted by: concerned | Nov 24, 2009 10:07:07 PM

The only way I see this working is if the health insurance you are mandated to have is affordable, like 5 dollars a month.

Posted by: Hendricks | Nov 24, 2009 6:21:21 AM

So who gets to decide who can and can't afford health insurance? I finally have a steady income after having my daughter my junior year of college and am in debt due to unexpectedness of my daughter (I'm still glad and grateful I have her though). I was offered health insurance at work for 500 a month (meaning half my pay would go to insurance for my daughter and I) and am not allowed to get insurance just for her. Outrageous in my opinion when I am young and healthy and so is my daughter. So send me to jail because at this moment in time it is cheaper to pay out of pocket for her dr. visits and suck it up when I get sick? Ok great plan, then I will never find another job because of criminal record and will never be able to pay back my debts including my student loans from the government. My daughter will be forced to live in poverty again (even though her father and I worked so hard to get education so that she would not have to live in poverty any more). Glad everyone elected such a great leader who compares my daughter and I to cars (note that my vote was not for Obama--and not because I am racist as most generally assume but because I didn't agree with his politics and wanted someone with just a bit more experience!).

What a wonderful free country we live in! This will definitely boost the shattered economy; great plane President Narcissist! Can we get Regan back please (or at least someone like him who has the experience and plans that will actually help us out of this near-depression...oh wait, he was a republican wasn't he?)? Perhaps MCain doesn't look so bad now, huh?

Posted by: Jes | Nov 23, 2009 10:37:25 AM

after they pass this healthcare they stop free speech,take our guns then your property and off to FEMA CAMPS we go.we need to stop this copenhagen treaty,audit the fed,bring back write in ballots,bring ou troops home and start a new form of factory jobs.BUY AMERICAN

Posted by: george | Nov 22, 2009 10:08:09 PM

yeah, the law will not go unchallenged in the courts. This is huge. The 111th Congress is making a big mistake by adding a provision to the bill that would force us to buy health insurance.

Posted by: long term care insurance | Nov 21, 2009 11:54:24 PM

It is wrong to force someone to buy something and then threaten them with fines or imprisonment if they decline to purchase. That is why this is a new tax, period. I cannot believe that the president would compare the requirement for another medical tax to auto insurance, when the use of a car is an individual choice. I agree with kaimarsden posted Nov 15, 2009 6:17:29 PM. Why aren't people waking up? Lord, help us.

Posted by: Real Concerned | Nov 21, 2009 7:24:09 PM

Well here we go again..Bills gettin passed,Rights getting stepped on,whats next? The Constitution getting rewrote as "We the People,for the People,Screw the People?..Sounds like it to me everyday.!jmo

Posted by: Bobble | Nov 21, 2009 4:10:27 PM

dont knock the new healthcare bill
at least i will be getting a job and
a place to stay (in jail) thanks boys

Posted by: jim | Nov 21, 2009 12:47:43 PM

I think that the president should keep doing what he is doing. Maybe we should have penalties for those who are not getting health insurance and can afford them. It is the same thing that they have done with welfare. You can only receive this service for only a certin amount of time. I think that we as a people should remember that u get what you pay for.

Posted by: Cristrian W. | Nov 20, 2009 8:31:23 PM

Isn't it funny how the only choice Democrats will protect is the right for men to pay for a woman's abortion?

Posted by: Uncleduke316 | Nov 19, 2009 4:40:27 PM

Listen up America...This Bill has nothing to do with Healthcare. This is Obama's & Liberal freinds attempt to GRAB POWER! Think about this, if they control every aspect important in your life, like getting a job, loan, car, mortgage, education, health care, then don't they control YOU!!! Welcome to the Obama Dictatorship...enjoy!!!

Posted by: RSR | Nov 19, 2009 1:06:02 PM

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Posted by: Jemerin | Nov 16, 2009 11:49:52 PM

voting is evil there all illuminatti even churches until americans realise this your sunk.voting is taking away your god given right to rule the earth equally not unequally by votig for a bankers puppet like obama you are putting yourself to the gas chambers.i told you he was evil not even an american citizen and uleashing biowarfar o it's citizens.who'd vote for such a monster.no replies on my comments you guys are scared of truth.

Posted by: kaimarsden | Nov 15, 2009 6:17:29 PM


First.

Comparing Auto Insurance to Health Insurance is INSANE.

A vehicle is a non living, non breathing object, that has no rights. We can CHOOSE whether or not we wish to have a vehicle, and if we choose to have one, and drive it, we MUST have insurance on it. ALSO, there are no examinations of our own bodies for getting Auto Insurance.

In contrast :

A person, like ME.. is.. A person? We HAVE rights, and we do not have the option to have or not have a body.. Another words, there is NO comparison. What this bill is saying, is basically, if you exist, and are functional, you MUST buy health insurance or face fines.. and if you do not pay the fines.. then... Jail/prison and or 250,000 fine

Also, being basically 'forced' to get health insurance is basically forcing everyone whom does not have it to find the cheapest company they can afford, and stand in line to have their .. *THEIR* bodies examined, their personal information given, and be subject to the rulings of that insurance company for maintaining their insurance.. i.e - physical examination every X months.. take this pill for this, take that drug for that.. or else they drop you.. And if they drop you because you didn't like what they were doing to YOUR body.. well you just fell into 'Non compliance' with the government law..

Further more, whom is the government to ONE - Tell me if I should or should not have Health Care - Two - Tell me if *they* feel I am capable of purchasing it or not - Three - If I *AM* deemed capable of buying Health Insurance, and I do not, force a huge, HUGE, fine against my wages, for something I DO NOT EVEN HAVE..

As far as the information circulating as of late that we *cannot* be sent to jail/prison for not having health care.. That is bull crap, anyone that looks can see between the lines here..

The truth is we CAN be sent to jail/prison for not getting Health Insurance.. The simple fact of the matter is that it takes not paying their ridiculous fines to land us in jail/prison for no having Health Care.. 2.5 percent of my yearly wages?? Are you kidding me? And for something I would not be spending a dime on because I didn't have it anyhow?

And on top of the Jail/prison time, up to 250,000 dollar fine as well?

Holy.. wow

I cannot beleive so many people are so ignorant to not see between the lines here.

This bill passes and we can all kiss America goodbye as we know it now.

And just wait, after this one goes through, wait until the next form of government control is attempted again by the Obama administration..

Pretty soon we will be walking around with bar codes on our wrists, limits to how many babies a family can have, and Gulags in the background housing everyone that did not comply with the governments mandates.

They can take my rifle when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Posted by: Sornan | Nov 15, 2009 4:12:23 PM

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