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Ron Paul Recruits Anonymous to Attack Rudy's Foreign Policy
May 22, 2007 3:37 PM
ABC's Z. Byron Wolf reports: Presidential candidate and Libertarian Republican Rep. Ron Paul will enlist the help of Mr. Anonymous --Michael Scheuer, an author critical of Presidents in both parties and the former head of the CIA's Osama Bin Laden unit -- to argue that America's Mayor needs to bone up on his recent history.
It's been a week since the Fox News presidential debate and Ron Paul is still playing up his tiff with Rudy Giuliani that night over whether US Foreign Policy, specifically the first Gulf war, led in some way to 9/11. Paul said it's common sense. Giuliani said the notion that US Foreign policy with regard to the Middle East generally, and Iraq specifically, led to 9/11 is poppycock.
Paul and Scheuer are going to have a Thursday event at the National Press Club Thursday to, facetiously, "educate former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Foreign Policy."
"They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East [for years]. I think (Ronald) Reagan was right," Paul said. "We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting?"
Giuliani said Paul was being absurd.
"That's really an extraordinary statement," Giuliani said. "That's really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11. I would ask the congressman withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that."
Paul, however, dug up a passage from the 9/11 Commission Report the next day that backed his claim and shot off a press release the next day wondering if Giuliani had even read the report.
So goes the report: "His (Bin Laden) rhetoric selectively draws from multiple sources-Islam, history, and the region's political and economic malaise. He also stresses grievances against the United States widely shared in the Muslim world. He inveighed against the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam's holiest sites. He spoke of the suffering of the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions imposed after the Gulf War...."
Giuliani has not backed down. He told Sean Hannity on Sunday that Paul's "statement that really shocked me."
"I never thought I'd hear something like that at a Republican debate. I actually didn't expect it at a Democratic debate. It was sort of the kind of thing that I remember like the Saudi prince saying, you know, the one who gave us $10 million, said American foreign policy had something to do with it, that had to be changed."
"I mean, it seemed like it was so off the wall," Giuliani added. "And there are so many of these conspiracy theories about September 11, to hear one coming from a Republican was very, very disappointing. So I thought I just had to step in, nobody else seemed to be doing it. And I seemed to — I had to step in, somebody had to correct this."
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Well I don't know what to say except Rudy did not correct anything. Ron Paul was 100% correct in his statements and Rudy was 100% wrong.If anything Rudy has been playing up the incident with the help of most of the media. Its about time Congressman Paul set the record straight. The question is will the Main Stream Media even cover it. Michael Scheuer is a respected expert, so I hope the answer will be yes.
Posted by: NMCB3 | May 22, 2007 5:39:24 PM
I hope that ABC will cover this event. The American people deserve to hear the truth. Ron Paul's statement was based in facts, not blind patriotism. The fact that the so-called expert in 9/11 would know know these facts is what is outrageous.
Posted by: Damon Talbot | May 22, 2007 5:42:12 PM
I believe that, as a nation, we've never really discussed the attacks of 9/11. Perhaps the time has finally come to sit down, take a deep breath, and tackle the hard questions about that day. I hope ABC covers the "educating Rudy" event.
Posted by: Willem De Wit | May 22, 2007 5:53:13 PM
I Agree with the first two comments. I felt that the comments made by Rudy Giuliani at the Debate were just another display of this "Movie Actor" role that many politicians are taking. What happen to when it was what people said and did that mattered, not just a "Marketing" perception for the public? I found it quite interesting that Ron Paul doesn't seem to be making statements or rehearsed slogans that he thinks I want to hear, but just says what he is thinking. So I am looking forward to hearing what he has to say at this event. Please let us know where to tune in to get your coverage of what goes on. And as a previous user posted, is ABC going to cover this event?
Posted by: Shawn Krzyz | May 22, 2007 6:04:32 PM
It's time we face up to the truth of what Ron Paul had the courage to tell America, it's backed up by all the experts and it makes sense.
I fail to see how the Republicans will win with a pro-war, pro-torture candidate. Ron Paul has the courage, strength and experience to stand on firm ground against all odds, he is the only option to save the GOP.
Posted by: Bryan | May 22, 2007 6:13:01 PM
Head of CIA's bin laden unit, sound like he might know a little bit more than rudy on the subject.
If freedom was the only cause of terrorism like Rudy says, most of europe would already be in ashes. Especially amsterdam.
Posted by: Nate | May 22, 2007 6:14:56 PM
gee...I wonder who is more knowledgeable about Bin laden and the Islamist motivations for terroris: Rudy Giulianai or the former head of the CIA's "Bin Laden" unit? While Rudy was cheating on his wife and dressing in drag, the CIA was gathering strong intelligence. Rudy Giuliani needs a reality check and to lay off Ron Paul.
Posted by: Gene Trosper | May 22, 2007 6:58:04 PM
Ron Paul is clearly correct in his comments. It's obvious to anyone who talks to experts on Islam and reads what Al Qaida says, and especially Bin Laden's fatwas. Ron Paul told the truth and everybody is squirming.
Posted by: Lee Badragan | May 22, 2007 7:04:12 PM
Rudy is out of his mind if he doesn't believe our foreign policy contributed to the attacks. Ron Paul is the only candidate speaking the truth about foreign policy, monetary policy, and our loss of Liberty in general. We need this man to be our President.
Posted by: Scott | May 22, 2007 9:51:58 PM
This is some really great news!
Posted by: Mitch | May 22, 2007 9:54:10 PM
It is very encouraging to see ABC pick up on the fact that Michael Scheuer is backing Ron Paul and not Rudy Giuliani on the issue of foreign policy.
Posted by: Seer | May 22, 2007 9:58:43 PM
What is Giuliani doing talking about conspiracy theories? Of course the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy. In addition to reading the 9/11 report does he also need English vocabulary lessons?
Conspiracy: An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
Posted by: Frank Rizzo | May 22, 2007 10:00:13 PM
This is awesome. I hope someone somewhere covers this. It's about time Rudy, the neo-cons, and a lot of the general public learned the truth about why the Middle East hates the United States so much.
Posted by: Prashant Patel | May 22, 2007 10:02:26 PM
I agree 100% with Ron Paul's statements in the debate, not because Ron Paul said them, I didn't even know who he was before that debate, but because he spoke the TRUTH, something that has been severely lacking in the Republican Party as of late.
Rudy has nothing to back up his opinion but conjecture and political bs, Ron Paul's statements are backed up by 9/11 report. Ignoring his statements is foolish, but trying to silence him as some in the republican party have tried to do is criminal.
-Dave (a registered Texas Republican)
Posted by: David | May 22, 2007 10:02:29 PM
God I just want to see a 1-on-1 between the two. Honestly what "facts" are Giuliani's assessments based on? Ron Paul is a 10-term Congressman, he was in the Air Force, and is on the Foreign Affairs Committee in the House. Meanwhile Giuliani was just a damned mayor.
Posted by: Kylan | May 22, 2007 10:08:43 PM
Please cover this event! I want Rudy to learn what really caused the 9/11 tragedy.
Posted by: James | May 22, 2007 10:21:08 PM
ABC, please cover this event at the National Press Club!
I would love to hear Ron Paul proved right on the national media!
Posted by: Ryan Cain | May 22, 2007 10:31:59 PM
Fox news Sean Hannity a conservative? has been licking the boots of Rudy, but he should have much more in common with Ron Paul, best by far on taxes and spending in the GOP field. Ron supported going after the people that attacked us, but not going into Iraq, who posed no threat to US. A constitutional position. He kowtows to the liberal Guiliani and shouts down the conservative Ron Paul. What are Sean's priorities? A conservative principal has always been Actions have consequences...
It amazes me the indignation of Rudy and the Fox News people, implying that we do only good things in the world but soon afterwards all but 2 candidates were fumbling over themselves to convince the viewers that we can torture people if it might result in good intel. Of corse, we can't call it torture. Sorry, the ends do not justify the means.
Posted by: Paul w | May 22, 2007 10:32:14 PM
Anyone why was Ron Paul left off the ABCNews voting poll last week?
As much noise as Paul is making lately; you'd think he'd on the polls.
Besides; he's the only libertarian running as GOP this time, so he has a lot of support from that element alone.
Posted by: RC | May 22, 2007 10:32:37 PM
I still can't get over the juxtaposition of the quotes from Rudy Giuliani:
"I don't think I have ever heard that before"
and
"It was sort of the kind of thing that I remember like the Saudi prince saying, you know, the one who gave us $10 million, said American foreign policy had something to do with it"
Posted by: Nick | May 22, 2007 10:40:10 PM
I really would like to ask Rudy why in the hell would he be accepting money from a Saudi Prince anyway? To me that is worse than accepting money from the Syrian government, and something I would only expect of Pres. Carter, not "Mr. 911".
Posted by: Austin from AL | May 22, 2007 11:15:28 PM
I just looked at the "who's running" page on the abcnews '08 campaign site, and Ron Paul isn't even listed. You've got Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee and Jim Gilmore. But Ron Paul seems to be the one making all the news. What gives?
Posted by: Gary Johnson | May 22, 2007 11:24:32 PM
Did anyone see Rudy on Letterman?? What a suck-up. This guy is pandering to the base fears of Americans. He must have used the word "terror" about 30 times and only barely brought up any other issue. Every topic came back to terrorism. What a one trick pony.
Yes, Virginia, there is still a true conservative running for president - his name is Ron Paul.
Posted by: Phil B | May 22, 2007 11:52:50 PM
I am impressed that Mr. Scheuer, the former head of the CIA's Osama Bin Laden unit, is willing to stand up for Congressman Paul's statements in the recent debates. It seems to me that it is actually absurd for Rudy Guliani to refuse to consider the effect of the US Government's foreign policy in the Middle-East. If we cannot consider the effect of what our Government does, how can we ever hope for it's policies to improve? Ron Paul's courageous willingness to state the truth, however uncomfortable it may make us feel, is one more reason that he is truly Hope for America.
Posted by: George Whitfield | May 23, 2007 12:20:30 AM
Thank you ABC for the article and I hope you will be covering the press conference. Ron Paul is a great guy and I am glad to see him getting coverage on a very important issue. Thanks again.
Posted by: Carla Craig | May 23, 2007 12:58:52 AM
Anyone who's even marginally informed about 9/11, Al Qaeda, and the world in general knows that Ron Paul is right about this, and that Rudy's manufactured outrage is just another stunt to appeal to voters who'd rather not hear uncomfortable truths.
To suggest that American policy DIDN'T have anything to do with 9/11 is what's an off the wall conspiracy theory.
Posted by: Cal | May 23, 2007 1:04:17 AM
Yes, please cover the event so Ron Paul can speak for more than 30 seconds without being interrupted. Some discussions require more time and, believe it or not, the American public actually wants to hear a real discussion.
You must have noticed the overwhelming support for Paul in forums, blogs, comments, videos, etc. People want to hear what the man has to say!
That said, I know there's no chance ABC will cover him. :(
Posted by: Jeff Moe | May 23, 2007 2:24:12 AM
I saw Hannity's interview with Giuliani. Hannity played exerpts from the debate including Giuliani's attack on Paul. Fox War Channel, however, conveniently left out Paul's statement and, instead, told the audience what Paul supposedly said, but in the words of the Fox War Channel. Hannity and Giuliani continue to spin their lies as being the truth that was "correcting" Paul's statement.
Remember, these are the same media tools that have been lying us into wars.
Posted by: John Delano | May 23, 2007 2:40:45 AM
Hizzoner tried to score cheap points by pandering to adolescent Americans who refuse to take responsibility for their government's interventionist misbehavior. No, the victims of 9/11 did not deserve what happened to them. But it didn't happen because we're rich & free & have women voters. When terrorists start flying airplanes into buildings in Switzerland then I'll buy that explanation.
Posted by: Rebecca Mansour | May 23, 2007 7:15:36 AM
Ron Paul has the courage to state the facts at the risk of being called unpatriotic. Giuliani is way out of line. He is milking his role in 9/11 for all it's worth. Giuliani's attack on Paul sounds very McCarthyesque.
Posted by: Eileen Holloran | May 23, 2007 9:44:25 AM
Nick nailed an important point on Rudy. Those two quotes prove that Rudy intentionally lied. Rudy is a demagogue pandering to paranoid authoritarians. Integrity and people thinking for themselves are not even on his radar screen. Ron Paul is a giant among these moral pigmies.
Posted by: mark | May 23, 2007 9:54:21 AM
The reason no candidate, except Ron, wants to admit that our foreign policy created anger which led to 9/11, is ISRAEL. The 900 lbs gorilla in the living room. Every candidate, Democratic or Republican knows they can not be elected in these United States without Jewish support (money, media support, etc). We knew we were finally hearing the truth when Ron Paul spoke. It created a national uproar. Where are the Democrat candidates on this issue? Don't you think they would jump on it? Not a peep.
Posted by: John | May 23, 2007 10:33:08 AM
What this episode really says is that the mainstream media, the so called free press which is supposed to be a government and politician watch dog has really fallen down on the job. That a free and informed press would let Rudy get away with this crap is pathetic.
Posted by: Norm Nelson | May 23, 2007 11:07:08 AM
Ron Paul is the only honest candidate out there. Time to stop the lies. Time to stop special interest control over America's media. Go Ron Paul Go!
Posted by: BuckinOhio | May 23, 2007 11:37:57 AM
Giuliani's viewpoint will only result in the death of more people, including New Yorkers. I am glad to see that there is now a public discussion about this. Thank you Ron Paul.
I want to see Giuliani and Paul debate.
Posted by: Jose Ortiz | May 23, 2007 12:42:30 PM
I would also like to see an honest discussion about American foriegn policy and it's consequences - both in the media and American society. Unless these things are looked at without the rose colored glasses I fear we will be having this same discussion next century
Posted by: Heidi | May 23, 2007 3:31:26 PM
Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air. He has dedicated his life to upholding the principles of the Constitution. Unlike Giuliani, the fear monger, Dr. Paul is a liberty preserver. Imagine an America where we can finally have a chance to get back to the principles of the Constitution that has kept us free for over 200 years.
Posted by: L. Kline | May 23, 2007 5:40:12 PM
Once again Ron Paul is the only Congressman telling us a much needed truth. How is it that only one honest man can be found in Washington? How can people trust in the others anymore? Why do they keep re-electing them? Could it be the media has been a lapdog, and not a watchdog?
Posted by: Don Duncan | May 23, 2007 5:57:56 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the subtle editorializing/bias of this article objectionable?
"...Ron Paul is still playing up his tiff with Rudy Giuliani..."
"Paul, however, dug up a passage from the 9/11 Commission Report..."
"...and shot off a press release..."
If an article begins, "ABC's So & So reports:..." isn't it supposed to be editorially neutral?
Posted by: Josh M | May 23, 2007 7:29:45 PM
ABC you had better cover this press conference. We, the people, want to see this! Even conservatives, myself included, don't want more of this silly shallow take on foreign policy! Ron Paul has earned my respect forever.
Posted by: Aaron | May 24, 2007 12:30:22 AM
Please cover this ABC - it's going to be great. You may not realize it, but you are witnessing history in the making. The revolution might be televised if you guys wake up and smell the coffee. :)
Posted by: bret | May 24, 2007 6:59:07 AM
Ron Paul better wake up. It was not arab terrorists it was folks in our own goverment. Don't you find it interesting we are fighting Israel's enemies?
why is it that every one of the following kingpins of the Bush administration are also Israeli citizens: Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Chertoff, George Tenet, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Richard Haas, Kenneth Adelman, Edward Luttwak, Robert Satloff, David Frum, David Wurmser, Steve Goldsmith, Dov Zakheim and Marc Grossman.
Posted by: libdave | May 24, 2007 8:31:47 AM
Rudy should have a better grasp of foreign policy, since he wants to be president. Why isn't "the media" attacking Giuliani for his weakness in foreign policy?
Posted by: david hughes | May 24, 2007 12:12:15 PM
Thank you so much for covering this story ABC. I hope that you will run a feature on the nightly news tonight. We really need more responsible media that is willing to cover the stories, and explore the issues, and you are proving yourself as one of the better sources for factual news both online and and on broadcast.
Posted by: Stuart | May 24, 2007 2:47:09 PM
Only an IDIOT would buy the Bush philosphy that they attack us over HERE because we stand for freedom [which the administration and Congress don't really stand for anyway....FYI: Consider the Patriot Act and the NUMBERING of people with SSN's: Only the People stand for freedom in their hearts.] Osama said he would REVEAL to the American public the TRUE nature of their administration and he would wake up the American people when the administration bankrupts them with a war. He did.
My sister lived thru ground zero. Her NEW philosphy: "We should NOT attack others and dictate for other people how they should live their lives. One experience at "early American Bombshelter" decorating will tell you that you don't want this that only revenge generates."
Posted by: dave | May 24, 2007 2:57:43 PM
I really don't think anything can get through Giuliani's thick skull. He obviously has no intention on doing any reading into the matter.
According to Giuliani there are no motives to a crime, or no reason to look into motives of a crime, there are just crimes.
Here's a hypothetical idea: If you hit your pet dog every day, and then decide you want to take a look into its mouth and it bites you, according to Giuliani logic, that dog is just plain evil and should be killed....HUH?!
Posted by: David | May 24, 2007 4:51:42 PM
With such a huge dome, you would think Guliani would have some brains.
I'm glad Dr. Paul is standing up to him and the Fox War Channel. Please keep speaking the truth. It is refreshing!
Posted by: Matt | May 24, 2007 8:38:45 PM
What a true representation of blind patriotism. The whole notion that Rudy didn't "expect" to hear that kind of statement from a Republican or Democrat is absolutely absurd. Sounds like somebody's trying to herd all of the sheep.
He's got egg on his face - he knows it.
Posted by: Isn't it common sense? | May 25, 2007 3:55:29 AM
See also:
Ron Paul assigns Giuliani homework - CNN
http://hammer2006.blogspot.com/2007/05/ron-paul-assigns-giuliani-homework-cnn.html
Major Political Site TechPresident Article: The Rise of Ron Paul
http://hammer2006.blogspot.com/2007/05/major-political-site-techpresident-rise.html
NPR - Dark Horse Paul Runs Well on the Web
http://hammer2006.blogspot.com/2007/05/npr-dark-horse-paul-runs-well-on-web.html
Ron Paul Web Traffic Surging Again!, Increases Web Traffic Lead on Obama, Etc.
http://hammer2006.blogspot.com/2007/05/ron-paul-web-traffic-surging-again.html
By Rep. Ron Paul - On Patriotism - May 24, 2007
http://hammer2006.blogspot.com/2007/05/by-rep_24.html
Posted by: Alex Hammer | May 25, 2007 8:40:45 AM
ABC-please cover this event! The press has been complicit in Bush illegal and immoral war on Iraq. Here is your chance to vindicate yourselves, and to help educate Americans.
The American people have been deceived and scared by our own politicians, who have terrorized us through their continual messages of fear and intimidation. Stop repeating phrases like "war on terror" "they will follow us home" etc. Covering Ron Paul will help bring our national dialogue to a higher level and hopefully shine a light on the lies,deceit,and ignorance of this administration, and its supporters.
Posted by: Andrea | May 25, 2007 3:50:22 PM
Who IS Ron Paul? They still need to know!!
NOBODY explains Ron Paul
BETTER than Ron Paul himself!
Here is an interactive audio archive of
Ron Paul speeches and interviews in chronological
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Posted by: Randy | May 26, 2007 11:05:24 PM
It seems that Rudy is confused about the difference between 9/11 conspiracies about who the perpetrators are and what the reasons the perpetrators used.
Posted by: john b. k. | May 28, 2007 5:29:28 PM
Even many on the Religous-Right are all a twitter over the light that shines around Ron paul who glows with truth and hope for Americas future.
thank you Jesus!
Posted by: Esther | Jun 3, 2007 2:35:56 PM
Wow, Giuliani... why are you so shocked to learn about this? I'm 17 yro and it's pretty obvious even to me that we've been fairly intrusive in the Middle East for the past couple of years and I wasn't even alive (or very young) when most it took place. It shouldn't come as a surprise that these countries actually resent us for a REASON.
Posted by: Jen | Jan 8, 2008 2:48:20 AM
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