Its about time. No one in NY liked Guiliani before or after 9/11.. He's gotten rich off of it which is pathetic. He's a joke anyways along with the other hacks. The only ones worth a crap is Ron Paul or Mike Gravel.

Similar liberal logic at play:
Opposition to affirmative action makes one anti-black.
Opposition to illegal immigrant amnesty makes one anti-hispanic.
Opposition to violent jihadis makes one anti-Muslim.

This is not about getting a democrat elected. This is about the TRUTH. Wake up America. Outside of America this country is the biggest cry baby.

Let's look at the facts. Rudy was a media darling. Born and raised in NY, he was NOT a hero. I am a conservative republican. He used 9/11 to his advantage while the remains of the victims were dumped and sent off to China! Research the facts. It's not about left or right!!

Oh, don't forget. Rudy said he was told to evacute because the buildings were going to collapse. WHY DIDN'T HE TELL THE NYPD AND FDNY??

Please tell us exactly what Rudy did except get out and walk around and perform for the cameras. That's it.

"i agree, it is total political hackery, unions have testy relationships with people not willing to give into outlandish demands"

A 5 day work week, health insurance, paid holidays & vacations, retirement benefits, safe working condictions, workers compensation for OTJIs, a liveable wage, & good faith collective bargaining.

YUP THESE ARE OUTLANDISH!!!!

Yet everyone posting on this site directly benefits from the scarfice made by brave Union Brothers/Sisters from the past.

The reason the middle class of this country is going down the toilet is directly related to the decline of the Union movement in this country.

If you anti-Union & don't make $250,000 a year your just a slave to the man/woman. Class warfare??? YOU BETTCHA!!!!!

Firefighters and the union are the same. We vote for the leadership and they take our issues and run with them. Those issues aren't pulled out of thin air, but issues that concern us. If we don't like the leadership we vote them out. When you call the union cowards, you are indirectly calling the firefighters cowards. It's about Rudy's run for the White House that concerns us and using 9/11 to his advantage.

Well, regardless of the facts, if it's a group bashing a Republican, they can always count on reliable ABC to carry their water. Good PR announcement, I would say. You're almost as good as NPR for advertising upcoming left wing advocacy.

I support the firefighters union, and I believe that our firefighters truly are heroes.

Giuliani should not have used the NY firefighters or the 9/11 tragedy for crass politicall gain. It was crass and it backfired on him.

When some of you people attack the firefighters union you are personally attacking the firefighter as they ARE the union. Firefighters are expected to save your butt during a fire or other emergency but are expected to risk life and limb for no pay or benefits according to some of you. Maybe before the next rescue we should ask first what your feelings are towards our union?? The reason why the firefighters union leans towards democrats versus republicans is because republican politicians seem to lean towards the group that dislike unions and paying firefighters for their services.

So as firefighters you guys had a vote on how you feel about Guiliani??? If this is the case, then I will be the first one to step forward and apologize!! We all know this is not the case (although I am certain that someone will try and say it is) The union has its own agenda, and I am sure most of those are for the good of firefighters. I just don't believe for a second that this issue is one fo those

"As I recall, this country was built on so called "union cry babies". I'm proud to live in a country with strong unions.

Posted by: Jennifer | Jul 10, 2007 4:39:02 PM"

You're a moron, Jennifer. The United States was built by freedom loving capitalist who believe in property rights and less government interference.

You should pick up a history book before trying to pretend it was unions that "built on" unions.

Unions have had their place. I've been a member of two unions. But America was "built on" unions?

Ignorant.

Giuliani is a one trick pony; he is finished in the 2009 elections.

You're the moron Christoph! I won't even bother explaining the historical relationship between capital and labor because your belief that "the United States was built by freedom loving capitalists who believe in property rights and less goevernment interference" is facile and pathetic.

"the United States was built by freedom loving capitalists who believe in property rights and less goevernment interference" Is an oxymoran.

Republicans and conservatives are destroying the foundation that our beloved country stands on (and that hundreds of thousands of our uniformed men and women, and union member firefirefighters, are defending): Talk about ignorant- half of the population voted for Bush and his cronies who care nothing about anything other than making money for corporations- flag, freedom, christianity? Wake up you ignorant red-state voters- it's all a sham!

Those of us who live in NYC were here during 9-11, and we're still living in the bulls-eye- we bear the consequences of Bush/GOP's terrorist-expanding policies, not you out in the union-hating, gay-bashing, intolerant, constitution trampling red states.

At one time the unions were needed,today they have become lazy greed driven bunch of people on high class welfare. Look at the auto industry,the teacher unions. If you think that unions are worth supporting I hope you can afford the things that make. I have worked for the teamsters and the afl unions. It is easier to book a flight to the moon than fire a lazy worker under the unions.

Capitalists without organized labor = robber barons

Unions without capitalists = communism

To say, as many in this thread have, that unions are utterly worthless and wrong-headed, is simply to ignore history. It is an incontrovertible truth that many benefits we in the 21st century take for granted are the direct result of union activism in the 20th. There has to be both tension and responsible dialogue between unions and management, between Democrats and Republicans, between liberals and conservatives, in order for democracy to exist.

As to Giuliani, the facts about 9/11 do not paint him in nearly the rosy light he likes to pretend. Yes, he appeared resolute and calm in a crisis on TV that day. But the charges about the location of the emergency response center are absolutely spot-on. Giuliani has the gall to talk about the Democrats not recognizing the WTC as a target after the 1993 bombing, but he put the emergency center there, over the strong objections of his own staff, who pointed out (presciently) that Brooklyn would be a much more sensible location. Giuliani also ignored the issue of the radios. The NYPD and the FDNY couldn't -- and in fact still can't -- talk to each other on their radios. There's just no excuse for that kind of abject negligence. It isn't just the union that opposes him, it's the rank-and-file FDNY firefighters, too, because in times of crisis he did not have their back.

The reality is, Rudy Giuliani wasn't a great leader on 9/11; he just played one on TV.

dear friends ; i must remind everyone out there that steve cassidy of the nyfd union endorsed president george bush not john kerry, as stated the endorsement came in new york city on queens blvd. the day the republican convention in the summer of 2003. this should sharpen the debate, everyone should check the record before making ugly statements about unions and john kerry.

I am glad to hear that the firefighters and others are disputing Giuliani's role as a hero of 9/11. It was great on 9/11 to see someone take the lead in terms of talking to the public. The coward otherwise known as Bush was playing "whack-a-mole" with the press and showed no leadership or real presence on 9/11. In terms of being an appreciated voice of authority on 9/11, I am in agreement about Giuliani's role. However, in terms of being a hero, others really fill that role.

since we are playing the hero game lets look no further than Father Mychal Judge as the real hero on9/11 it was he who stated i will give the last rights as chaplain of the nyfd, this is sad because mayor rudy, safir and someone named kerik the nypd police comm. all headed north but father judge headed in to give the last rights to his men most new yorkers with any sense will tell you father Mychal is the real hero with the nyfd and police on that tragdic day good bless these men how politics gets into this is beyond logic