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Obama: Clinton Would Continue "Bush Doctrine"

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July 26, 2007 11:21 AM

ABC News' Rick Klein Reports: Sen. Barack Obama lobbed another verbal grenade at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday, continuing a feud that first erupted at Monday night's Democratic presidential debate.

In a conference call with reporters, Obama said Clinton would continue the "Bush doctrine" of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States. He went on to suggest that being "trapped by a lot of received wisdom" led members of Congress -- including Clinton -- to authorize the war in Iraq.

"The Bush administration's policy is to say that he will not talk with these countries unless they meet various preconditions -- that's their explicit policy, and that was the question that was posed at the debate," Obama said. "This is the assertion that she made during the debate and subsequently, was that she would not meet with various leaders unless certain preconditions were met. Now, if that's not what she means, then she should say so, but that was the question that was posed at the debate."

Obama added that he believes the U.S. needs the fresh perspective that he would bring to the Oval Office, one that would welcome conversations with all foreign leaders "to talk about our ideals, our values, and our interests."

"What’s been interesting about this debate over diplomacy," he added, "is I really think it's the debate over the same conventional thinking that led people to authorize the war in Iraq without asking questions, versus an approach to foreign policy that asks questions, is informed by a knowledge, a perspective on cultures like those in Iraq, and is not trapped by a lot of received wisdom."

The Clinton campaign did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Clinton has sharply criticized Obama for committing to meetings with the leaders of countries that are often hostile to U.S. interests, saying on Tuesday that such statements were "irresponsible and frankly naive" because such a stance could lead to a president being used for "propaganda" purposes.

The exchange at the debate centered on a question about whether the candidates for president would be willing to meet, within their first year in office, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

Obama quickly said yes, while Clinton said no, arguing that the president should only meet with world leaders who are hostile to the US after lower-level diplomatic contacts are conducted. Obama has said in the aftermath of the debate that he never meant to suggest that he would meet with foreign leaders without first having aides make sure such such meetings would be worthwhile.

Though Clinton was the first to go on the attack after the debate, the Obama camp has been far more aggressive in the aftermath in keeping the story alive. As of mid-day Thursday, Clinton still hadn't expanded on her initial comments, made to an Iowa newspaper, the Quad City Times.

Thursday's conference call -- ostensibly held to discuss his endorsement by Rep. Paul Hodes, D-N.H. -- also showed a flash of Obama's greenness. Obama appeared not to know what year Hodes was elected to Congress; he said Hodes "overcame predictions that he couldn't beat an incumbent several years ago," when in fact Hodes lost his first congressional race, in 2004, and only won his seat in last year's Democratic wave.

Later in the call, when Hodes jumped in to reiterate a point Obama was making, Obama cut him off: "I'm sorry, who’s this?" Obama said. Hodes responded, "This is Paul Hodes -- Congressman Hodes."

Obama's comments were considerably sharper than they've been in the past in regard to the 2002 war-authorization vote.

Obama, who said while running for the Senate that he opposed the war, was careful in an interview as recently as last fall to not criticize Clinton for her vote.

"I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence," he told The New Yorker in October. "We were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test."

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Obama makes a good point: Hillary isn't much different than Bush. Time for change. Time for Obama.

Posted by: Cat | Jul 26, 2007 11:44:04 AM

Another lame attack by Obama. How about he just admit that he was wrong, and that having a cocktail with the worst leaders of the world was a bad idea. His she voted to allow war line is getting old. The towers had been bombed, America was in a frenzy, he would of done the same. Its Hillary in 08, Obama should pray he gets to be VP.

Posted by: Plo | Jul 26, 2007 11:48:52 AM

That's just it, Obama can say he was against the war all along...very convienant considering he did not actually have cast a vote on the spending for the war in the first place. Hind sight is 20/20, so it's easy to posture himself saying he was against it from the begining. Since he never actually had to make that decision.

Posted by: Chris | Jul 26, 2007 11:56:48 AM

Hillary is still backing Bush, even if she thinks she's not. Obama has been against this war since it's inception; other democratic candidates have apologized for their pro-war votes, but to date, Mrs. Clinton has not. There is absolutely no reason to believe, that if she were elected, she would not continue the arrogant stance the current administration has. Maybe Obama is somewhat naive, but at least he has gotten it right on the war,and his is a fresh new approach toward diplomacy. After all, look what aintaining "status quo" has gotten us so far!

Posted by: Al | Jul 26, 2007 11:58:46 AM

Hillary actually lost my vote on this one. She did say earlier in her campaign that she was against the policy of "no talk" diplomacy.The question was would you be wiling to meet with these leaders in the first year of the presidency...she said NO. What if it meant world peace? Would she still say no? Her answer was pigheaded and Bushesque.

Posted by: rapidcycler | Jul 26, 2007 12:00:28 PM

Yikes! Obama is really hitting Hillary where it hurts. Hillary is weak on foreign policy. She has avoided the big foreign policy fights all of her life. Now she is trying to stand up and be strong. I don't know if she has the personal strength to do it. Hillary probably thought that she got the best of Obama with her "naive and irresponsible" comment. She certainly never envisioned that Obama would push back so forcefully. The political race for voters is over. The political contest for the presidency has begun. Watch the polls fluctuate in the coming months. Just when you thought the negatives were at an all-time high... We are about to learn things about Hillary and Obama that will make everyone cringe. Steel has always been made with hammers and fire.

Posted by: Sean O'Brien | Jul 26, 2007 12:11:29 PM

I would say, "don't burn bridges."

Posted by: j | Jul 26, 2007 12:27:48 PM

The thing is-Democrats want diplomacy, Hillary herself has said over and over that Bush should be engaged in diplomacy. Democrats will not nominate her if refuses to engage in diplomacy-and refuses to be held accountable on the war. HILLARY IS A FLIP-FLOPPER ON DIPLOMACY!

Posted by: Cat | Jul 26, 2007 12:33:27 PM

They should start working together instead of attacking each other. Their top priority should be winning 2008 and get rid of the Bush nightmare.

Posted by: xiaer | Jul 26, 2007 12:35:03 PM

more positions than a kama-sutra teacher? i reckon obama has more

Posted by: jeff wanyoike | Jul 26, 2007 1:17:59 PM

What is Obama trying to prove? You make your point then you move on. It's been three days. He needs to move on and try to do the things he was elected to do. In fact, he should try to do more for the people than attacking others. OLD NEWS...OBAMA, get a life.

Posted by: ken | Jul 26, 2007 1:22:12 PM

Ken,

I think Obama does have something to prove. He need to show the differences between him and Hillary, this is clearly a difference. We can't wait for "high level envoys" to "test the waters". Does Hillary realize some of the countries named in the question from the you-tube debate have nuclear weapons or perusing nuclear weapons. Her way is just more of the same.

Posted by: Carl | Jul 26, 2007 3:18:21 PM

Hillary is simply a Bush Lite. Go Obama!

Posted by: Cat | Jul 26, 2007 3:48:47 PM

No due diligence before Air Force One lands in Havana or Tehran? That is equally as stupid as the legislative branch ceding its Constitutional authority to declare war to the Executive branch as it did in 2003. Obama would benefit from slowing down and thinking before shooting off an answer he thinks will please the crowd.

Cheers to Sen. Clinton for giving the smarter, less popular answer. Glad she's learning from previous mistakes.

Posted by: BenMurphyNYC | Jul 26, 2007 4:25:49 PM

Unfortunately, Obama's inexperience and naivete are showing. I, personally, don't believe we can afford either in our next president. The next president will have a lot of big messes to clean up. Obama, some day your time will come. Get some experience, pay your dues and relax. You are a young man. Plenty of time for you to make your mark.

Posted by: DaveM | Jul 26, 2007 5:09:28 PM

I don't know if I will vote for Obama but no way will I vote for Clinton. No matter what she says she is still part of the Old Guard and that equates to "same group, same ideology, different face". Clinton implies that he is too green and not ready for the job. Hillary and her kind are overripe and thisclose to falling off the vine. I for one would like to hear some new ideas and maybe a different approach to some of our problems. The current crop of career politicians seem more interested in maintaining the status quo. We don't need to gut our constitution, abandon our way of life or give in to those that would destroy us. We do need to address some of the issues that other countries have with us. I have a feeling that the Cuban impass could have been solved years ago if we could move the Old Guard out of the way and try a different approach.

Posted by: Dan | Jul 26, 2007 5:24:39 PM

I guess Barak can't admit when he's wrong, as he was in his comment at the debate, and isn't smart enough to stop attacking fellow Democrats. Not quite the qualities I look for in a Presidential candidate. I suggest you start focusing on more important things Mr. Obama.

Posted by: informedone | Jul 26, 2007 6:04:03 PM

Barak Obama's entire campaign is based on the idiotic notion that because he was against the war from the start, that proves he's ready to be President. Ask Howard Dean how far basing an entire campaign on having been correct on that issue will get you. Other than those two candidates themselves, their families and a few hard core supporters, hearing "I was right on this one issue years ago" not only gets old, but becomes increasingly annoying over time.

Posted by: sps91158 | Jul 26, 2007 7:05:45 PM

Obama's fresh idealism is truly attractive. His hope for an open conversation with troubled leaders about shared values is something that makes him stand out, for sure. Yet I heard nothing in Hillary's response about not committing to a 'year' timeline to meet with certain leaders that resembled the Bush/Cheney policies at all, and I'm wondering where Obama sees that exactly. I think that his comments are catapulting him out into left field, because no reasonable person watching this current spat can fairly say that Hillary has argued for "conventional thinking" in the vein of the vast rigth wing conspiracy that is the Bush admin. She was clear that she would resent having such meetings misinterpreted or manipulated, and her comments about a "way forward" seemed perfectly right on. Here's my real beef with this: what's Obama thinking in making this claim that Hillary remotely resembles Bush/Cheney? Honestly, it makes me more skeptical of his judgment and his deep distrust even of the powers he's aligning himself with (other Dems). And doesn't it make sense that once we get Bush out it's going to take some rearticulations of a new American foreign policy prior to a high level meeting to solidify that which has been laid out by diplomats? Come on. Obama is sounding thoughtful and sincere, but Hillary's showing maturity and foresight. Plus, admitedly, she took the question after Obama, so had the upper hand so to speak.

Posted by: John D K | Jul 27, 2007 12:30:10 AM

I think Obama is a bit naive if he thinks high level talks (i.e. a summit) should occur without a LOT of lower-level preliminary discussions to set the stage. Good leaders and negotiators do not want to go to a meeting unprepared, and they want - and need - to know and understand the others' positions before they sit down. Clinton gave a good answer, and Obama actually backpedaled into the same answer afterwards. Interesting that his campaign wants to keep talking about this - I can't see this ultimately spinning in his favor.

Posted by: mel | Jul 27, 2007 8:41:55 AM

Hillary is exactly like Bush. On political reflex she voted to authorize a suit of clothes to take us to war and on political reflex she now is in favor of bringing the troops home. Obama still hasn`t proven himself ready for prime time, but he may and so may others of the Democratic candidates. The question was, would he be willing. He said yes. Not yes under any circumstances. Hillary said no, based on the same Bush excuse that he could not protect himself from being used politically by foreign leaders, which unfortunately is also true. Too bad Hillary, like Bush, appears to lack self-confidence to meet foreign leaders one-on-one.

Posted by: A Viet Nam Vet | Jul 27, 2007 12:05:03 PM

If you want Bush/Cheney results, continue Bush/Cheney policies. It is a good idea to talk to world leaders that are in opposition to you as well as those you agree with. If you only hear from people that agree with you, you tend to forget that there can be two or more sides to every story. Obama really does have the right idea here, and it seems Clinton would continue the Bush policy of shunning adversaries and wind up with more of the Bush results.

Posted by: Dave | Jul 27, 2007 12:53:18 PM

Innocence Bullies Experience. Obama's camp accusing Clinton of perpetuating the status quo isn't winning him points for sophisticated thinkers. It's fine to jump on a 'lump-all-the-old-ideas-together' bandwagon, but it has to stand up to wisdom, received or otherwise. Hillary articulated her position as one of strength, and if Obama fails to see how it's 180 degrees different from the Bush/Cheney "strategy," then he needs to focus on the centrist democratic position articulated by many, many dems well-versed in diplomacy and world events. It's evident he's just trying to get media attention for his "fresh approach" but it's making him sound like a knee-jerk liberal who doesn't understand how strategy takes multiple layers of government working together under a common vision. He's taking this whole exchange too personally rather than seeing it as a statement about the organziation he would be leading. Another situation where the rebellious teenager demands freedoms but has no sense of responsibliities entailed therein. I thought he could make a strong POTUS right now, but this public 'exchange' reveals he's not ready yet.

Posted by: John D K | Jul 27, 2007 2:20:25 PM

Its funny that no one realizes that neither Hillary or Obama will do ANYTHING without prior approval from their advisors. Obviously, the Obama camp thinks they have an issue they can exploit. Hillary's camp is keeping mostly silent on this issue, hoping it will go away, or the other side will put their foot in their mouth.

The fact that ANYONE is seriously considering voting for Hillary Clinton, whether in a primary or general election, scares me to no end. Do you honestly think she will do anything but run this country further into the ground?

Educate yourself on Hillary's past. As much as her advisors want to whitewash and dismiss her and her husband's previous behavior, it is the best indication of her future performance....

Posted by: wytshus | Jul 27, 2007 4:10:56 PM

Obviousley Mrs Clinton feels very intimidated and defensive against Mr Obama, in which lead her to initially make the negative comment saying Mr Obama was "niave & irresponsible". The more we (US) feels we are better than the rest of the world and have a Bush policy not to atleast talk to these leaders will only increase risk of national/international security as well being a malfactor to our economy as a result. I am very much a fan of Mrs Clinton but I don't think she is built to be our a US leader. she would and possibly "could" make a decent VP but we the people have to much at stake to continue the same traditions the Bush Admin has covered themselves into as all pigs do.

Posted by: IowaView | Jul 27, 2007 4:56:19 PM


Hi,

Hillary can not win Republican's party with same Bush -Bill Clinton politics, this time is critical moment for US we need new ideas to convince the World. She has been long in the politic , it is time to turn the page Bush-Bill-Hillary Clinton,close the chapter for old views,we wanna travel around the world in peace.

Posted by: Alain | Jul 27, 2007 6:40:59 PM

I really liked Obama until he started talking. Same old slamming we've heard for the past 2 elections. It's getting old now. I just want to hear a candidate come out and said what he is for, not who he is against.

Posted by: Ron | Jul 31, 2007 8:43:52 PM

THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM HERE IS, "Why are we all talking about this as if it is a 2 horse race? Why are we so focused on just these 2 candidates?". Very simple! Because the mainstream media & corporate polls have manipulated us into having this very discussion. How many times have you seen this question in the polls? "Who do you like? Clinton or Obama?" The question precludes from our consciousnesses any other contenders some of whom might actually do something really good for this country & the world. It's good for the corporations whoever is nominated from these 2. Obama can't win, so that would guarantee a Republican President, Clinton will be more of the same, but w/ a smile. If we don't start really being awake about this it's all over!
Of course Clinton is pulling away in polls. She's the Corporate Choice; she's met w/ Murdoch & the rest & done her deals, just the way Blair did in UK before he won. He too was the Corporate Choice! After Thatcher had bled the UK dry he was the more acceptable face of the kingmakers & the electorate did what was expected of them, they chose bad over disastrous; now the Neocons have bled this nation dry & in just the same way, w/ the help of the media, even Clinton looks preferable. Let's start talking about why we have become focused on a 2 horse race!!!! Ask Gallup & the rest why they're doing it, let them know we're on to it, write about it, support the handful of candidates that might really change something!!! Let's hear more of you so-called savvy pundits & bloggers writing about this instead of being sucked into the same scam. Come on guys, it's an old, old trick. Help us get past it.

Posted by: new rider | Aug 7, 2007 1:14:14 PM

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