I hope voters are taking notice. Republicans need to help with getting the troops out. Can't believe that they are still playing politics. With mine and my fellow Marines life's.

impeach Bush, Cheney, throw them out they cost and stealing money and cost too many lives both americans and other
people. Don't wait do it now.

December 15 2008.... By that time how many more soldiers will be dead??????

More "nonsense" from our 110th Do Nothing Democrat Congress with the lowest approval ratings in the history of this great nation. And the Dems say vote for us again in November 2008......PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!! If this country goes another year with nothing but political lynchings, hate, and divide from Dem clueless leaders like Harry and Nancy......then shame of us voters.

I agree "Shame on the Voters" (for re-electing George W. Bush is 2004)! What were they thinking?

Allen Ridge - if you don't vote for Democrats, then you must be going to vote for Republicans. The Republicans and Bush have obstructed anything getting done in this congress and their candidates won't talk about healthcare and won't get us out of Iraq either. There's a great divide in this country. There's too many ignorant people who think Democrats are all about bad values or for abortion or for gays. You cannot paint all Democrats with that broad brush. It just ain't true!

Maybe you people forgot that after the WEAK efforts of Bill Clinton we were attacked by terrorist and that Iraq continued to threaten. Bush has prevented numerous attacks and the world is getting safer by the day, because of him and Cheney. What do you think would happen if we removed all the troops tomorrow...The US protect many areas of the world: Europe, Korea and the Pacific. I know you all hate republicans, but is that worth the cost of a real war spiraling out of control? or massive terrorist attack? or the death of millions? Do all liberal really have no regard for human life...example after the pull out from Vietnam millions died in Cambodia...do you think Jane Fonda, John Kerry and their like realize they killed those people. Would you have fought the Nazis? Give me some history where the US didn't help people that turned out well...or maybe your far-left teacher thinks that communists did such a good job in Russia and China we should elect Hillary and her village.

Americans have had enough of this loser but let’s face facts; Bushie will never bring the troops home so long as he holds the office he is so not qualified to hold. That job will be for the next President. Inauguration Day will be our new Independence Day!

Allen Ridge: Shame on YOU! They are TRYING to pass the bill. What can you do when you can't get the votes? Blame the Republicans not voting for this bill-not the Dems.

If you voted for George W. Bush in 2000, you are forgiven. If you re-elected him in 2004, you should question just how smart you think you are.

I feel sorry for you. You are part of the delusional 23% of Americans that still think that Iraq had something to do with 911. See, here's where you are wrong Because our enemies were in AFGANISTAN, not Iraq. Noone had a problem with us going into Afganistan. The prez is acting like Afganistan and Iraq are the same war. THey are not.

Nancy Pelosi, needs to stand firm now, If This funding bill gets Veto'ed then dont give him any more money period! Only thing happening in Iraq is our Soldiers are dying and look at all the money that has been spent for the War.We could use that money to help people.Please list all the people's names who voted against this bill so we can make sure not to vote for them next Elections.You Politicians, I dont think you see how alot of us Americans are starting to see, how Ignorant you really are.I believe after this War America is going to see a big change in how we vote.

Furthermore, Iraq's ambitions for nuclear proliferation were destroyed when Israel bombed them in 81. Clinton also bombed them continuously during his presidency and pretty much had them incapacitated and contained. Suddam was all talk and no action. Iraq might have been bad to some of its own people-however they posed NO threat to American soil whatsoever. It was never, nor will it ever be, the goal to "liberate" them. Bush might try to muddy the preface of the war by changing it now that faulty intelligence shows there were no WMD's and he thinks we're buying it. The only people buying it are people like you. Had he not dropped the ball in Afgtanistan, OBL would not be alive, and Al Queda wouldn't be spread now to Pakistan.

Nancy is looking to continue her stellar 0 for 40 record of anti-War legislation?

As the war drags on and deaths pile up, it becomes increasingly evident that the Republicans never cared about a justifiable reason for being in Iraq. They have to keep blocking efforts to get the troops home, long after we’ve seen the quagmire nature of this occupation. Therefore untruths have had to continually re-invented in order to create
new reasons to stay. I don’t see near as many little American flags appeared on the antennas of bloated SUV’s, but there are still a lot of right wingers who are willfully ignorant of how much this war is costing the American public. They continue to to smear anyone who doesn’t follow the White House party line. These happily ignore all the economic damage being done to our country with no discernible rewards for staying over there in Iraq. We see the White House shills and the Tokyo-Rose-Republican-Owned-Lamestream-Media keep moving the goal posts in order to justify never ending the war, in spite of there being no benefit for continuing it outside of a few neighborhoods in Baghdad being a little better off today than before because some Sunni warlords turned against Al-Qaeda. But by insisting on more waste and loss of life the “roadblock Republicans” in both houses of Congress think we will somehow benefit from playing political shell games with an assemblage of warlords whose alliances keep shifting and no one can define victory. There is no victory possible in a guerilla war against our occupation. In staying over there, all we do get out of it is failure to deal with urgent problems here at home. I guess Iraq means more to the Republicans than their own country’s wellbeing. Talk about who the traitors are and who the patriots are. The Republicans have the treason-patriot thing backwards and need to look in the mirror to find the encouragement for terrorism in their failed policies. Let’s face it, Iraq is a no-longer-disguised, failed land-oil grab trying to secure an oil monopoly in a tinderbox region.

What a recruitment poster the US military has, inviting new inductees into an overstretched overstretched, bewildered “volunteer” (more like legally taken captive) military fighting for God-knows-what with almost zero idea of their own chances of coming out of that mess alive, even. And this is all becoming increasingly clear that what we're actually fighting for is so that .a Commander in Chief can shore up his wretched legacy instead of caring about the ongoing loss of American life.
How can anyone be happy with the decision of Bush/Petraeus to squander our future with more of the same?

Shame on us for playing party politics instead of working for the good of the nation. As long as Democrats and Republicans do nothing but oppose the other we will continue to fall apart as a nation. OBL won’t have to destroy America, we are doing it to ourselves. We live in the now, never learning from history or planning for the future. Only today’s inter-party squabble counts.
The reasons we went into Iraq are irrelevant now, we are there. The reason OBL and al Qaeda hate us doesn’t matter. They do. OBL has publicly stated that he will continue to attack America until we abandon democracy and accept an Islamic government. If we pull out now they will simply follow our troops home and continue the fight. I hope the do attack America in force, maybe then we will fight the enemy instead of each other. The nation united in WW2, we won. Ignored Korea and fought to a stalemate. We argued among ourselves about Vietnam and lost. We learn nothing from history.
American troops are spread around the world protecting South Korea, Japan and other places at great expense to the American people. Those troops should be brought home to protect the United States, but we won’t do that. We will continue to protect other lands and pay them for the privilege until we fall apart just as Rome did. We will continue to get involved in other people’s battles then surrender and go home liked whipped bullies. We learn nothing, we see no future, no past, just today’s party politics.
Yes we should be ashamed of ourselves.

The withdrawal has already started.

By Christmas, some 3,000 American troops will return home from Iraq after achieving remarkable success in our fight against al Qaeda. Under General Petraeus’ strategy, our troops are routing al Qaeda in Iraq, improving security for the Iraqi people, and laying the foundation for critical political reconciliation in that country.

And how is Congress welcoming them back? By passing yet another politically-motivated measure that cuts off funding for those continuing to serve our nation in Iraq and hamstrings the commanders who are leading them to victory. This measure will never be signed into law, and it represents yet another failure for Democratic leaders intent on putting politics before accomplishment.

JL: well put. You nailed it perfectly. Royce: This is about party politics. Repubs refuse to do anything about the war-even those that have seen the light. And you are false: They will not follow us home. That is a fallacy Bush has used to sell the war. Iraq is in the middle of a civil war. We need to get the heck out of there. Meanwhile Bush is bitc4hing about 22 billion more HERE to fund healthcare and education. The Republicans do deserve their bashing.

You decry lack of unity as the reason we will fall prey to Al Qaeda. Have you learned nothing in the last seven years? The Iraq War has been a great
recruitment tool and propaganda victory for Al-Qaeda in the eyss of the general populaces of the Middle East. Yet you continue to cite the tired old lie that "if we don't go to Iraq and fight them, we will have to fight them over here. Al Qaeda is no longer even a central player in the Iraq insurgency. It is homegrown Shiite and Sunni warlords vying for who will control the place and the majority of Iraqis still wanting US troops OUT of their country.
Practicing “party lockstep” with the White House means more to you Republicans than your own country’s coming economic collapse due to hemmhorraging money on this war. Talk about who the traitors are and who the patriots are. The Republicans have the treason-patriot thing backwards and need to look in the mirror to find the encouragement for terrorism in their failed policies. Let’s face it, Iraq is a no-longer-disguised, failed land-oil grab trying to secure an oil monopoly in a tinderbox region.

carl: What the heck do you define as
"victory" there? There's no end in sight. Afganistan is where our 911 attackers were located, not IRaq. Did you forget history? The faulty intelligence. The civil war there now. And the withdrawl is a fallacy too. THe 3000 troops you are refering to is just bringing back levels pre-surge level. It's not a reduction at all!

carl: How much tax dollars need to be bled out for the Iraq civil war? 4 trillion? 12 trillion? WHen will it stop? Meanwhile, citizens HERE are suffering. And we haven't even focused on the real people behind 911. Like I said before, Iraq posed NO THREAT TO AMERICAN SOIL!!!!!

one more thing than I'm out: GDP per year is approx 10 trillion. So the war has used up over 10% of yearly GDP.

The American voters changed the course of the Iraqi war with our votes in 2006. That vote created success...finally. First success: Rumsfailing dropped out. Second success: Secretary Robert Gates took his place. Third success: I don't believe Secretary Gates listens to George II and our phony president, Richard Cheney.

More success can be just around the corner in 2008 when voters hopefully, again, will pull more Republicans out of office. Neconic evangelical religious fanatics are embedded in the GOP and we the people can remove more of these nuts to bring our country back around and move on with the values which created our great nation.

It's not a Republican/Democratic situation. It's American. Vote with America in mind.

you right-wingers play fast and loose with the truth. Petraeus didn't score a big victory against Al-Qaeda, the sunni warlords turned against AlQaeda because in the blind, homicidal murdering spree, AlQaeda overplayed its hand and alienated homegrown Iraqi's....Petraeus did lend a hand to the Sunni warlords to help them oust AlQaeda, but AlQaeda has NEVER been the key player in the Iraqi insurgency. Petraeus took advantage of an alreay existing rift, yes that was a smart move, but it is a far cry from the truth to claim that Congress trying to end the never-ending hemmhoraging of money and lives is somehow a treasonous undermining of our troops on the cusp of 'winning'. A few Baghdad neighborhoods a little better off does not a victory make. Meanwhile our country is on the verge of a major recession and stagflation, and you would have us continue to borrow a trillion more dollars just to shore up a political situation in Iraq that is similar to the warlord mess in Somalia in its character. All you are doing is weakening the US, grinding down our military for no discernible benefit and leading our country into economic slavery to foreign lenders as we lose our position in the world. SHAME on YOU people of the dead-ender right who continue to spout just lies, lies and more lies.

Bush supporters continue to back Bush and Cheney in the ruination of our country, all because they have a sick Rambo fixation. Funny how you mention terrorist,and these sissys hide under their beds. Their fearless leaders Bush and Cheney who avoided war, love to start wars of course. Our children and grandchildren will be paying dearly for Bushes mistakes for years to come!

Barry, there are many many examples of where American went to help some other country and it turned out bad. You seem to think you are so smart barry, but you clearly don't know anything about the history of your own country or you would not make such reprehensible comments. So mr. smart guy here are a few examples, we invaded Columbia when they would not turn over land to the U.S. so we could build a canal, we then cut the country in half and called the new part Panama and nicely arranged for the land to be turned over to us. How about Hawaii? It was a sovereign nation, we invaded it, held its leader hostage, put military bases on it and kept it. A lot of Hawains still wish to ceceede but I am sure you can tell us about it. Or lets talk about how we assassinated two of Panamas democratically elected presidents, or how we over throw the government of Allende in Chile and put the horrible monster Pinochet into office and we then bankrolled him. Or maybe what about Trujillo of the Dominican Republic we installed him after overthrowing a democratically elected government, and he was also a monster. Or what about the forced sterilization of women on the Islands of Puerto Rico? Yes we did that too. We passed a law called the Platt amendment which we said gave us the "right" to invade Cuba anytime we want, it was drafted by a republican and passed by Teddy Roosevelt, a republican (or bullmoose if you wish) why do think Castor become popular in the first place? Or what about Edi Amin, the guy who ate children, yes Nixon supported him, how'd that turn out mr. smart guy? What about when Eisenhower bombed Guatemala City in 1954 to enforce a fruit companies point of view, and also how we killed a couple of their democratically elected presidents? How about Nicaragua and El Salvador and the death squads we paid for to destabilize democratically elected governments? MILLIONS died there mr. smart guy, but I guess you would consider that a good result too huh? As for Vietnam, we never even needed to be there, the North came to the U.S. and asked to be our friend and wanted us to help them negotiate to get the French oppressors out of their country, you know kinda like how we kicked the British out of our country? That war was another total mistake. Oh and just so you don't forget mr. smart guy, it was Eisenhower who sent the first U.S. troops there. Finally mr. smart guy, it was a Democrat who defeated the Nazis, while Republicans actively tried to keep us out of the war, and in fact George Bush's(the first) father made a lot of his money doing business with the Nazis and had his property confiscated for violating U.S. law as a result, you can look it up, its the facts and the truth. But you know all about that right mr. smart guy Barry? Finally Barry, Clinton was not in office on 9/11 Bush was so please stop saying he protected us, he has not done a darn thing except make his friends rich through fraudulent defense contracts.

By your reasoning, FDR never should have gone to war in Europe, since Japan attacked us--not Germany.

But FDR recognized the worldwide threat of fascism. Likewise, Bush recognized the worldwide threat of Islamic terrorism. There have been attacks all over Europe, Africa, Asia, the Philippines, Indonesia, etc. since 9-11. The Democrats saw it too, at least when they saw it as politically advantageous. When things went sour, they flipped to the other side to get votes.

Saddam violated over a dozen UN resolutions, repeatedly violated the ceasefire, supported/trained/funded/sheltered multiple terror groups, and carried out genocide inside and outside Iraq. He was hand-in-hand with Islamic terrorism, and was ripe for regime change. The "faulty" intelligence was convincing enough to fool Clinton, Gore, and most Democrats in Congress, as well as Britain and other allies. We could not give Saddam the benefit of the doubt.

Iraq did not attack us on 9-11, but al-Qaeda attacks us and civilians in Iraq right now--and we need to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq right now, rather than leaving it to grow and feed on Iraqi oil money. Even bin Laden says fighting us in Iraq is the central front in his war on the West. Neither can we afford for Iran to grow stronger with control over Iraq, in its quest to build nukes and destroy Israel. The West will be next if that happens.

After 4 years of Rumsfeld’s failed “light footprint” strategy, Bush finally changed direction and found a commander and a plan that even the NY Times and the AP admits is succeeding. We should not hand the Iraqi people over to certain genocide now that we are winning. And the Iraqi central government better get off its butt and follow the lead of the provinces in implementing reconciliation. al-Maliki has been too slow about that.

Carl those troops were coming back as part of regular troop movements, the "surge" will also wind down as a result of normally scheduled troop rotations, its mr. bush who is playing politics by trying to claim that because we are doing better they can come home, when in fact, everything still stinks in Iraq. We are no where near victory there.

Surely the Democratic congress knows that Bush will veto the bill and that they would not have the votes to override the veto. Because of the loss, not only will they not get the troops outs but Congress's approval rating goes down even further. This is nothing but a worthless gesture. What's more, there is not a single Democratic Presidential candidate who wants to withdraw the troops and they said so at the last debate. If a Democrat were to take office, the troops would still be there and it would be a Democrat vetoing the bills of a Democratic congress. Do the Bush haters on this post plan to revolt against their own party a year or two from now?

Hasi t ever occurred to you that to get the job done we need to stay long enough to actually get it done?

The democrats are starting to see the improvements in Iraq and are very concerned of a victory there and time is running out to secure defeat for the US in Iraq. They have to act as quick as possible to deliver that promise of defeat they were elected on, before people realize the democrats have been against the US's success in Iraq and have been trying to defeat us there all along and we could have won this war earlier had we been united. The democrats have been the domestic insurgent force the terrorists have been counting on for support all along and they have almost delivered their part of the bargain.

Well, now let's see if those neutered Republican senators can muster up enough courage to vote with the Dems on this against the wishes of their insane leader. This will surely separate the "men from the boys", so to speak, in the senate. If the Repubs would stand with the Dems more often on important issues like this one, GWB would need to change his stance on more issues and work like he cares about the American people. The Repub congress is enabling him to be powerfully wrong.

Might come as a great suprise
Germany declared War on the US
so we had little choice . You really
loose your credibility when you
obviously are not able to read History.
Cy

"More "nonsense" from our 110th Do Nothing Democrat Congress with the lowest approval ratings in the history of this great nation. And the Dems say vote for us again in November 2008......PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!! If this country goes another year with nothing but political lynchings, hate, and divide from Dem clueless leaders like Harry and Nancy......then shame of us voters."

.... The proposed bill from Congress gave Bush the money he asked for to "support our troops." In my opinion, that's the kind of cooperative politics this nation is lacking. The stipulation was a deadline for troop withdrawals, but hard-line, never-waivering (despite disapproval ratings) Bush still vetos these proposals. The Republican side is not letting the democrats overturn Bush's veto. So don't put the blame on the Democratic led Congress. Put the blame on loyalist partisan politics that defy reason for personal and party agendas.

"The democrats are starting to see the improvements in Iraq and are very concerned of a victory there and time is running out to secure defeat for the US in Iraq. They have to act as quick as possible to deliver that promise of defeat they were elected on, before people realize the democrats have been against the US's success in Iraq and have been trying to defeat us there all along and we could have won this war earlier had we been united. The democrats have been the domestic insurgent force the terrorists have been counting on for support all along and they have almost delivered their part of the bargain."

Riiiiight... Think before you speak. We're not fighting Iraq. We're fighting the "terrorist threat." But Iraq will NOT solve the terrorist threat. Whenever we kill a terrorist, three more take his/her place. The goal of Al-Qaeda is to lock the U.S. into an un-winnable, un-endable war that will bleed us dry of capitol and resources until we realize that our Western influence can't be imposed everywhere in the world. "Promise of defeat they were elected on." ?????? They were elected on the disapproval of the Republican led war that was getting us know where. Wake up, lay your party beliefs aside, and realize that our boys are walking around a desert, fighting an unknown enemy coming from all sides, creating an un-winnable conflict. We need to praise our soldiers, now more than ever, for putting up with the bickering in Washington and give them the Christmas present they deserve. The opportunity to come home to their famillies.

Dems can't do anything with a president (and his "believers" who's heads are still stuck in the stand. This measure has passed the House but will be stymied by an inadequate Dem majority in the Senate, so quit with your "Swift Boat" tactics and blatantly misleading lies. The republicans started this war, votedfor the surge even after voters had made their positions clear, and now will stymie this.

Bush got elected the last time because Kerry was even worse. Gore was worse than Kerry. But who decent would want to be President given the hatred from both political parties against the other. All the current canidates running for President are horrible too. Most Americans don't like spineless lackeys in the White House which seems to be the Democrats calling, whereas we also don't like corruption nor big business running the country which give the Republicans a ugly face. They both have big issues they refuse to recognize.

Barry writes here, "Maybe you people forgot that after the WEAK efforts of Bill Clinton we were attacked by terrorist and that Iraq continued to threaten." Barry, are you serious? Iraq has never threatened the USA in any way and has never been capable of doing so. It's obvious that you are yet another who bought the deliberate lies and spin from the White House regarding the mythical WMD in Iraq.

To Texbork, Carl and anyone else that still believes that Iraq poses a threat to American soil: IT DOES NOT. So why are we there? And again, please define for me what the heck "victory" there is please. How much are you willing to spend? 10 trillion? At the expense of our education and health? Nice.

Al Queda in Iraq represents a tiny portion of the fighting there. Most of it is tribal civil war. And of course, since we are physically there, we're gonna get attacked. So don't use that as "THEY ARE ATTACKING US...." bull. Again, NO THREAT TO AMERICAN SOIL. Had the faulty, HAND PICKED intelligence been known then, NO DEM would have authorized the war. BUSH FIRED ANYONE THAT OPPOSED HIM DURING HIS SELL TO CONGRESS.

and you guys do realize that you are in the 23%, yeah only 23% of Americans that actually agree with the Iraq war and Bush's policies.

When ever you guys get backed into a corner, the only thing you say is that Dems voted for it initially too. Well, nice thing about the Democrats-they are able to admit mistakes-unlike the Republicans or Bush. Even the Republicans that admit the war isn't a.going well or b.false from the start refuse to do anything to change the course we're on. Even though they've publically admitted to one of the above. Insane and selfish really.

War supporters attack "libs" for wanting to surrender with respect to the war in Iraq.

Surrender to who?

Here we go again, the congress does something and the Republicans call it a do nothing congress. It is obvious that the only DO NOTHINGS ARE THE REPUBLICANS with their GLOBAL BIG BUSINESS HALLABURTON OIL not wanting the war to stop because the HALLABURTON REPUBLICAN GOONIES WANT THE TAXPAYERS MONEY IN THE BILLIONS FUNDED FOR IRAQ MOST OF WHICH IS ALWAYS (wink, wink) FUNDING FOR THE REPUBLICAN HALLABURTON OIL PEOPLE!

Yup. Checked this board. It is approximately 23% that still agree with the prez. I counted a total of 22 different bloggers, only 5 of which agree with the Iraq war. So the polls are correct folks!

Iraq is no longer a threat to America, but al-Qaeda inside and outside of Iraq definitely is. And terror groups rising up from an abandoned Iraq would be. Iran is a big threat, especially if we hand over all or part of Iraq to them, and allow Ahmadinejad to get nukes. An American surrender to terrorism in the Middle East will only give them more momentum, more oil, more power over moderate (non-terror-exporting) Arab countries, more people to enslave under Sharia, and a larger base with which to operate from against Israel, Europe, and America. And unfortunately, Pakistan is becoming an ever bigger liability as they protect the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Here are a few reasonable, near term, but not necessarily pretty elements of “victory” in Iraq:
--Iraqi troops patrolling their own streets, not Americans. Iraqi troops confronting al-Qaeda, the Mahdi army, and other insurgent groups.
--1000’s of US troops still in Iraq providing logistics and support—but not at the tip of the spear. Still a serious cut from the 160,000 there now.
--Locals feeling safer and providing more tips (already 1000’s per month) about locations of insurgents, weapons, IED’s, etc. Even more sheiks and tribal leaders recognizing that cooperating with the Coalition, and helping build the police and Iraqi army will bring peace and enable US forces to leave sooner.
--Mixed Shia and Sunni areas building the same “awakening” and cooperation with Coalition forces that is already so successful in Anbar and Diyala.
--Moqtada al-Sadr, being locally shamed as a Tool of Iran, and feeling he has no choice but to disarm his militia and stay political. Much of his Mahdi Army has already broken off and defied his orders for ceasefire--those groups are supplied by Iran.
--Oil export levels up into pre-war levels. Foreign investment, with better auditing, instead of poorly regulated US government money, to fund construction. European and Chinese contractors are already getting a large share of contracts for construction, oil equipment, and weapons. So much for the war being all about enriching Halliburton.
--Finally slowing the flow of foreign terrorists and weapons from Syria and Iran. This is probably the most optimistic, and will take a long time to end.
--The 1920s Revolution Brigades formally joining with the Iraqi army, security forces, and/or police--ending their status as an independent militia. They are already registering and cooperating with local and national forces.

By the way: Where did Bush get the time machine and manage to HAND PICK intelligence in 1998 in order to drive Clinton and every Democrat Senator into a warmongering frenzy—until Clinton cut a last minute deal with Annan to give Saddam another chance.

the only good thing liberals have done is inadvertently. by making the people of iraq and the iraq government realize that if the u.s. withdraws what will happen. the answer is obvious. they are cooperating and pushing al queda out. but now that victorty is near lets finish what was started. by the way would else would you recommend do the work of haliburton? china or some other foreign interests after our heroes shed their blood.

Bball3212...You're right, sometimes one must stick to a task sometimes for years and years to get a job done. Unless that job is banging your head against a wall. Then, all you have are brain damage and $1.6 Trillion dollars of extra debt.

cisconchipper...how on god's green earth can you claim that "victory is near"? This bloodbath in the Middle East WILL CONTINUE to rage as long as Islamic extremists continue to be made out of the young, unemployed, highly impressionable men of many Middle Eastern nations...not just Iraq. IT WILL CONTINUE to rage because Islamic extremists have been around for a couple thousands years now...why would they go away now??? IT WILL CONTINUE to rage as long as US foreign policy is centered around manipulating and exploiting Middle Eastern nations.

Until we change our policies, THIS WAR WILL CONTINUE TO RAGE.

cisconchipper you highly underestimate the resolve of these radical factions of Islam.

LeSaux98 we have reached the heart of the matter. i thimk they should by now understand our resolve. if you remember bin laden said therefore thought the US was a paper tiger which is understandable during clinton's tenure. but he greatly misunderstood bush. You see the media had presented bush as an idiot. but even more so underestimated bush. getting back to your premise the radicals were plotting way before bush and where do you think we'd be now. i believe there was only one way to deal peace through strengh. lets say gore won the election the taliban and alqaeda would still be training terrorists in aghganistan from all over the middle east. and sending them throgh out the world ready for jihaad. totally motivated by the weakness of the west. in addition the people of iraq would still be under the tyrant and sanctions.

As much as I am against the war, this bill is absolutely ridiculous. You cannot tell the enemy when you are going to surrender; you cannot give a deadline. Do we really want another vietnam?