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McCain, Paul Differ on Iraq
November 28, 2007 8:52 PM
ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf and Ed O'Keefe Report: Senator John McCain, R-Ariz., played with populist fire during the Republican debate Wednesday night.
Segueing from an unrelated topic, John McCain, who has staked his political career on his support for the surge in Iraq and fight against global Islamic terrorism, turned to Paul, who was standing to his left and addressed him directly.
Watch the video HERE.
"Congressman Paul, I've heard him now in many debates talk about brining our troops home and about the war in Iraq and how its failed and I want to tell you that that kind of isolationism, sir, is what caused World War II. We allowed . . ."
McCain was obscured here by jeers and boos and cheers all at once from the crowed auditorium. Poor CNN Anchor Anderson Cooper had no chance against the audience.
But the Arizona Senator continued, "We allowed Hitler to come to power with that kind of attitude of isolationism and (Ron Paul is looking right at McCain and shaking his head 'No')
McCain: "And I want to tell you something sir, I just finished having Thanksgiving with the troops and their message to you is, the message of these brave men and women serving over there is, 'Let us win. Let us win.'
Cheers mixed with jeers and boos and applause rose up all over again.
In a 30 second response, Paul, who recently raised $4 million exclusively from online contributors, calmly asked McCain, "The real question you have to ask is why do I get the most money from active duty officers, military personnel?"
"So what John is saying is just totally distorted. He doesn't understand the difference between nonintervention and isolationism. I'm not an isolationist. I want to trade with people, talk with people, travel. But I don't want to send our troops overseas using force telling them how to live. We would object to it here and they're going to object to us over there."
It was not the first time the two men tangled.
Earlier, talking about fiscal responsibility, McCain, who has been outspoken against pork barrel spending, lamented Republicans who got into politics to change Washington, but "we went to Washington and Washington changed us."
Several questions later, Paul, absolutist in his views and almost in alone in Washington in his opposition to just about every spending bill said to McCain, "Washington didn't change me."
At a later point in the debate, McCain and Paul sparred again.
Recalling Iraq once again, McCain asserted, "We never lost a battle in Vietnam, it was American public opinion that caused us to lose that conflict."
McCain then said that the difference between Iraq and Vietnam is al-Qaeda's determination to attack the United States.
"They want to follow us home, they want Iraq to be a base for al-Qaeda," McCain insisted.
Dr. Paul engaged McCain once again, saying that whether or not the U.S. "never lost a battle" in Vietnam is "irrelevant."
"(Al-Qaeda) want to come here ... because of our military base in Saudi Arabia," Paul retorted.
"They come here because we're occupying their country just as we would object if they occupied our country," he added.
Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., took McCain's side in the Paul-McCain clash.
"I wish we lived in a world that Ron is describing . . . unfortunately, Ron, I don't believe that is the case," Tancredo said.
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John McCain needs to retire,the thought that are troops want to be in Iraq for many years to come is beyond belief. Ron Paul is the candidate who will end this insane Neocon Rambo mentality running our country at the present. Neocons want wars forever,it's a big turnon for these sick people. Ron Paul is Americas best choice.McCain appeals to all the demensia voters.
Posted by: AJ | Nov 28, 2007 9:08:45 PM
Ron Paul and John McCain are the only two Republicans running that have any decent, in-depth and historically accurate understanding of international affairs - so it's too bad they're at each other's throats. I'd like to see them slam the more preposterous statements of Guiliani, Thompson and Romney who are all three utterly clueless on these types of matters. Both McCain and Paul raise good points in this complex debate - but McCain is wrong if he thinks principals can be applied like rules to the complex and constantly shifting political scenarios that arise in instances like Iraq today, or Europe during World War II. Each situation is utterly unique and there are no governing rules - just mitigating factors with few if any exact precedents.
Posted by: Ryan Gabriel | Nov 28, 2007 9:12:18 PM
Because of people like McCain, we are in a mess in Iraq. Countries and people preaching for war and violence will ultimately succumb to it. I thought people become peaceful and wise with age; not with McCain.
Ron
Posted by: Ron | Nov 28, 2007 9:19:40 PM
Give me a break, he doesnt even seem like he wants to be at the debates.
Im done with McCain.
Posted by: justin | Nov 28, 2007 9:23:13 PM
McCain's a fool. It was US pro-Limey interventionist policy in WW1 that led to Hitlers rise. Had Imperial Germany been allowed to kick-Brit-butt in 1917, there would have been no "1933".
So much for the value of interventionist foreign policy.
Posted by: ray | Nov 28, 2007 9:23:34 PM
McCain: Weapons manufacturer lover, War Monger
Paul: Normal Uncorrupted American
Posted by: David Kyriacou | Nov 28, 2007 9:24:23 PM
At 72, Mr.Paul is too old to become president. I don't like his foreign policy views and think he needs to fade away like the days of old. We don't live in 1776 but in 2007 where the threat of terrorism to catastrophic proportions is real. Imagine where that Nuke material that was discovered in Slovakia was going to? That could've ended up detonated in New York city for all we know. Strong foreign policy is vital for self preservation. McCain is right about this.
Posted by: cbeargal | Nov 28, 2007 9:29:46 PM
mccain is a fool. saddam never had any chance for world domination. ron paul, in my opinion, is the only hope america has to regain it's good name, and restore our position as economic leader in the world.
Posted by: jason | Nov 28, 2007 9:33:25 PM
McCain appeals to all the frightened Neocon Republicans who think the boggey man is going to get them. They act tough,but are such scared little girls.
Posted by: AJ | Nov 28, 2007 9:40:37 PM
Mr. 8% in the polls needs to fold up his tent and go back to Arizona and retire...His day has come and gone.He had his day and it is over with. Pack it in John and go on back to Pheonix...Nobody is listening to you any more..
Posted by: Joe MUrphy | Nov 28, 2007 9:45:26 PM
I'm disappointed in McCain. What a cheap shot. It's almost as bad as Bush's "If you're not with me, you're against me". Furthermore, it wasn't U.S. isolationists who "caused" Hitler. Germany allowed Hitler. Appeasers allowed Hitler to make war and spread. Ron Paul took the high ground with his response. The only thing he didn't do is remind us that we are only in Iraq for oil.
Posted by: Patriot | Nov 28, 2007 9:49:08 PM
mccain calling anyone hitler is like the pot calling the kettle black... be very cautious about war mongers seeking total world domination using fear to get people to surrender their rights... this is hypocricy in the highest (and most dangerous) degree... if anyone is enabling the ressurection of another hitler, is the bush/cheney republican right wing religitard nutjobs... mccain is dangerous ... and stupid
Posted by: earthnotflat | Nov 28, 2007 9:56:37 PM
I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and I applaud what he said (when they finally let him speak).
But what has surprised me most is that Mitt Romney comes across as an incredibly slippery ell. How is this guy leading in Iowa and New Hampshire?
Posted by: Ron | Nov 28, 2007 10:03:51 PM
Ron Paul is correct. The ONLY reason that al-Qaida is fighting the US is because of US military bases in Muslim countries.
Arabs/Muslims don't want to fight the US. In fact, they like Americans. They just want their political independence and freedom from foreign domination. The Neocons want to US troops to work for Israel, protecting it from lomg term rivals, who are not even a threat at present.
Ron Paul is the most honest and sincere candidate that I have seen since Carter. He can restore the American pride.
Imperialism no longer works. The rest of the world wants to move on. It's Americans who are living with a Nineteenth century colonial mentality.
Posted by: Ahmad | Nov 28, 2007 10:05:58 PM
I voted for Ron Paul in 1988 when he ran for President on the Libertarian Party ticket. As a former Navy Commander, I believe Paul's remarks about the conflict in Iraq are much more accurate than McCain's thoughts. For two old men, only Paul is living in the 21st Century. I'm sure Barry Goldwater, if he were still alive, would agree with Paul and give his fellow Arizonian McCain a swift kick in the ass.
Posted by: Gene Tinelli | Nov 28, 2007 10:12:25 PM
It's time for Ron Paul to get real. So misguided and taking so many things out of context.
I'm not a McCain fan either but at least he makes sense about Iraq.
Posted by: Patriot | Nov 28, 2007 10:14:40 PM
Hiller and Cheney/Bush were after the same thing: oil from the Mideast and Caucasus regions.
Posted by: Paul | Nov 28, 2007 10:22:16 PM
mccain makes sense about iraq?... LOLOL!!
Posted by: earthnotflat | Nov 28, 2007 10:22:33 PM
I'm sorry Mr. McCain but there is NO COMPARISON. Ron Paul has a very clear understanding of how the Muslim world sees us and our foreign empire. The more we meddle, the more blowback we can expect. Al-Sadr will probably be the prime minister of Iraq in a few years. Or its supreme leader!
Posted by: Brent | Nov 28, 2007 10:23:31 PM
What allowed Hitler to gain power was a population of propaganda induced ignorant voters along with a mandatory gun registration and national identification system in place.
Posted by: Scott K. | Nov 28, 2007 10:25:02 PM
McCain is all for war!! He is most like Hitler if anyone is to compare to Hitler and hasn't it been McCain stepping off all the planes with Bush during re-election time!
And for ABC to QUOTE "If we lived in a world like Ron Paul describes.." What if! What IF! We can live in a FREE world we can restore the constitution we can be free we can be proud we can trade we can have so much once we get ppl like McCain out of our government and once we change our Foreign policy when we start to wake up and say Hey America's Dollar is falling the ppl don't have jobs WAKE UP AMERICA RON PAUL will save our Constitution which is OUR FREEDOM!
Posted by: Brandon Howell | Nov 28, 2007 10:27:25 PM
The debate was rigged as usual, Ron paul revolution!
McCain is a joke. WAKE UP AMERICA!
Posted by: Tyler | Nov 28, 2007 10:27:34 PM
Prior to WWII a group of people who opposed any involvement in the war established the America First Committee. They used exactly the same arguments and reasons that are being used by the 'get out of Iraq' gang. Hitler could habe been stopped but we failed to. We thought that it could be avoided by diplomacy---the Munich Agreement---which only ensured further death and bloodshed. You are just recreating the 1930s.
Posted by: Gary | Nov 28, 2007 10:28:20 PM
McCain is the only one who knows how to secure. McCain is the only one who knows how to be a soldier. Vote for Ron Paul if you want to curtail and run. Vote for tripping over his mouth Guliani if you too have a hard time believing in the bible and living the word of God. Or you can stand up and be counted. McCain is the main for security. Always was, always proved himself in the previous administrations. And he is the only one who worked with BIPARTISAN on issues. He knows how to get the job done no matter who or what party is in control of the congress. He did it befor and he will do it again.
Posted by: angeles | Nov 28, 2007 10:29:12 PM
Isolationism is different from nonintervention.Just makes sense.I don't completely agree with Dr.Paul about our base being the*only* reason we are not liked,but our continued bullting isn't working.Is the surge really working?Mcain lost me then.And as a millitary man I would have expected him to know that our stance back in the late 30's ,early 40's did not cause Hitler's rise.
Posted by: whistleb4dawn | Nov 28, 2007 10:30:50 PM
Paul just proves that there is stupidity on both sides of the aisle when it comes to foreign policy. (There's just more of it on the Democratic side.)
Posted by: John Kantor | Nov 28, 2007 10:32:38 PM
I think McCain is just upset that Paul is outpacing him in contributions by 2-1.
Posted by: Eric | Nov 28, 2007 10:39:30 PM
America buried its head in the sand and pretended that the war in Europe didn't affect us. The Brits and French tried to appease hitler. All of the above were directly responsible for his rise and the eventual deaths of millions of people. We bear that responsibility. I was also in the service so I know something about war. We won militarily in Vietnam but were betrayed by the folks back home.
Posted by: Gary | Nov 28, 2007 10:46:20 PM
McCain. LMAO. If he wants to pick up his crumbling campaign he should immediately apologize for accidentally taking a sleep aid before the debate.
Posted by: JC | Nov 28, 2007 10:48:24 PM
jason and all other ron paulies. McCain is right there are similarities between Hitler and Saddam Hussein. And there are also similarities between the European appeasers and Ron Paul and his supporters. All you paulies seem to forget that Saddam hussein invaded Kuwait. Ron paul would've done nothing Saddam hussein after being appeased by Ron Paul would've invaded Saudi Arabia. Saddam as well as Hitler were both megalomaniacs. Thank god the republicans interceded. Anyway do you have any idea what Saddam Hussein's favorite book was? Mein Kempf writtem by Adolf himself. McCain understands history. We don't live in a la-di-da world.
Posted by: cisconchipper | Nov 28, 2007 10:53:14 PM
It was the Zionist who backed Hitler's party and contributed moneterily to it to win their election.You can read this on Google or Wiki. Not that it was the fault of USA that led to WWII. Our borders are here but our troops are overseas protecting other countries border.Bring them home . tThey are our kins. We do not want draft but McCain and likes want to continue overseas hunting expedition. Why can not McCain catch Osama who is in a cave?? He just want to whitewash truth from us,the taxpaying US common man.
Posted by: Tariq Ahmed | Nov 28, 2007 10:56:48 PM
America needs to pull all its troops from around the world. Pull all its money back. Let the rest of the world screw itself. After 9-11, I really don't care what they do. Guess what? I'm neither a fascist, a republican, a democrat, or a communist. Just a disgruntled American with my fingers on the voting machine. Grow up Republicans!
Posted by: mind!dagger | Nov 28, 2007 11:00:53 PM
When I read some of these comments I wished we still had the draft. Some people would benefit from serving their country in the military and learn a few facts of life. There are bad people out there who aim to destroy us as a nation. Let them have an unfettered base to organize and plan and they will eventually get us. Stick you head in the sand and pretend that we can just simply tiptoe through the tulips of life and you will find out what other countries before us have found out when they fell to a conqueror.
Posted by: Gary | Nov 28, 2007 11:01:21 PM
I wonder how many of the pundits slamming Ron Paul (and his "kooky" Constitution-loving supporters) have ever been to the Middle East, or have personal friends from any of those countries? I do, and from what my friends tell me, Ron Paul is spot-on accurate. Muslims are irate over generations of Western meddling in their affairs, theft of their resources, and military occupation of their homelands. No matter who you believe created the world (God or Allah), I'm pretty sure He did not intend it to be the personal plaything of the United States of America. By the way, blowback is real, it is used to great effect by our own intelligence agencies to destabilize regimes unfavorable to Western business influence, and it plays hugely into "why they hate us" overseas. But hey, that's just what some Iraqi friends of mine have said-- everyone knows they're all terrorists anyway. If you have a hard time imagining a foreign nation occupying American soil and imposing their laws and culture on us, just wait for it. On our present course, we're well on the way to becoming a second rate Puerto Rico to our Chinese landlords.
Posted by: h5mind | Nov 28, 2007 11:01:46 PM
Once the bar fight starts it’s too late to decide to go to church instead. The reasons we went to Iraq are irrelevant now, our troops are there. Now that troops are in harms way we have no choice but to finish the job. OBL has said that he will continue to attack the US until we give up Democracy, adopt the Islam religion and accept an Islamic government. That’s not acceptable. We need to get 199 % behind our troops and let them do the job they are trained to do. Once that conflict is over we need to pull out and let them run their own affairs. We also need to close bases in Japan, Germany and Korea. Those nations can easily afford their own defense. Our soldiers are needed here, not in some foreign land that can take care of themselves. ... In short, McCain and Paul are both wrong.
Posted by: Royce | Nov 28, 2007 11:02:31 PM
Like Hitler was our fault. Right. Come on McCain. McCain does not have the right temperment for the job. What McCain really said was "elect me and we will go to war with Iran". No thanks. Enough mistakes.
Posted by: ken | Nov 28, 2007 11:06:15 PM
Hello JC, Saddam was not worth the live of a single US army personnel- we lost over 3 thousands our troops to get rid of Saddam who was once helped by US to fight Iran. I support Dr. Paul . He is the most HONEST broker in this debate. Army personnel are contributing to his campaign more than McCain.We love our army.
Posted by: Tariq Ahmed | Nov 28, 2007 11:12:53 PM
Ironically, McCain's justification for invading Iraq is identical to Hitler's justification for invading England!
Posted by: Edward Mann | Nov 28, 2007 11:13:45 PM
Ron Paul is a loon. The media only keep him around for chuckles .. has he ever been higher than 3% ?
Posted by: Scott | Nov 28, 2007 11:13:57 PM
McCain's comment is so distasteful. Its a debate of issues...not a forum for confrontations. He really showed his nastier side....the kind I dont want to see in the Oval office. The other post is right, vote for him and its 4 more years of more and more wars.
Posted by: Joe | Nov 28, 2007 11:19:44 PM
Godwin's Law?
Posted by: jnice | Nov 28, 2007 11:24:17 PM
McCain is a flat-out liar. U.S. isolatism did NOT cause World War II. WWII started BEFORE the U.S. entered the war, and up until Pearl Harbor, the U.S. had NO plan to enter the war. This is such a blatant lie it's incredible that McCain that uttered it.
Posted by: jdoe | Nov 28, 2007 11:27:19 PM
McCain is a WARMONGER. That little stint in the Hanoi Hilton damaged his noodle.
Posted by: RW | Nov 28, 2007 11:31:20 PM
Please believe me when I tell you as someone who has studied Politics and Government and International Relations since obtaining a BA in Government from the University of Texas at Austin in 1976, that while McCain may mean well he is not nearly as well educated in Foriegn Affairs as is Ron Paul. Ron Paul makes all of the other candidates look ignorant when it comes to the defense of our great nation. Hitler used fear to promote an unjust war. The neocons are doing much the same. If you really want to be secure, then listen to Ron Paul who wants to defend OUR BORDERS. The stenghth of America depends on the rest of the world trusting us. He wont cut and run, he's not weak on defense, he is the STRONGEST DEFENDER OF AMERICA AND FREEDOM running today.
Posted by: Tim Yonker | Nov 28, 2007 11:43:38 PM
McCain made himself look really deranged during his little twist with Ron Paul. Paul took the the high road, but Ron Paul did point out to
McCain that he was wrong about our
active duty, and brought up the fact that he has received more donations from active duty military over any other candidate. I use to admire McCain, I am ex-military by the way. McCain sounds more like Hitler, and he also needs to go back and read up on his history. He has turned into a warmongering self absorbed idiot, I mean that. McCain is no different than Bush. As one of the commentators noted after the debate, he said they all have the same ideas as G.Bush with the exception of one, and that candidate is obviously Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the only one willing to stand up to the unconstitutional acts being committed in our White House and government. If you were to ask any of them "Do you agree with what G. Bush is doing in the White House? All but one would more than likely say yes. They are afraid to stand up to this moron (G.Bush), except for one, he stands alone, he stands for the Constitution and the people of the United States, and that is why Ron Paul has my vote and support.
Bring our troops home now, protect our
borders and our country first. We need
to save our dying country.
Posted by: Tess, California | Nov 28, 2007 11:48:45 PM
Rothschilds gave money to Hitler's Party.High ups in his party were jewish people. What does that mean Eric-- I read it on Internet--Google and Wiki. You can update your knowledge by visiting Wiki.Dr. Paul is the only one telling us the truth.
Posted by: Tariq Ahmed | Nov 28, 2007 11:51:12 PM
Sounds like Ron Paul is speaking exactly what Al Qaeda wants him to say. We're supposed to shut down our base in Saudi Arabia because Al Qaeda has a problem?? I wonder what else we have to do to appease Al Qaeda. I do think we should let Europe deal with Iran - and Darfur for that matter....the US tried to get rid of Saddam and his stupid rape chambers.
Posted by: Bill | Nov 28, 2007 11:54:10 PM
Who cares what Tancredo thinks?
Posted by: Perry | Nov 28, 2007 11:55:11 PM
America! Wake up!
Ron Paul is for the people and America itself. All other candidates, Dem and Rep, have corporate and global agendas
Posted by: Alert | Nov 29, 2007 12:02:01 AM
McCain needs to go back to Arizona. I
hear they hate him there and are trying
to recall him. I think Ron Paul has more
honesty than any of the candidates.
Posted by: Tina | Nov 29, 2007 12:02:42 AM
Hats off to ABC. It is a fair server.
One of the above commentator needs to know that Citi Bank is being "rescued" by Abu Dhabi money that Mr.Rubin won yesterday!. Less Americans will lose jobs and save Citi of bankruptcy.
Dr. Paul said it all correct and honest points. US Constitution is Americas Bible, Koran,Bhagwat Gita etc. We Americans all stand behind it and respect it and like Dr.Paul fight those who corrupt our Constitution.
Posted by: Tariq Ahmed | Nov 29, 2007 12:10:45 AM
If Ron Paul was President, he wouldn't start a war with anyone, because LEGALLY, the President has NO authority to start a war. The CONGRESS has to DECLARE war. This is called the LAW.
If Ron Paul were President and congress declared war, Ron would be the enemies worst nightmare. He would go in with MASSIVE amounts of troops and equipment and totally overwhelm the enemy. He wouldn't play political BS games like we did in Vietnam and IRAQ. Ron is so intelligent, wise and thorough, that any enemy would have no chance.
Posted by: brian | Nov 29, 2007 12:26:40 AM
McCain is totally disingenuous to use some fraudulent WWII analogy that makes no sense at all. What does bringing troops home from Iraq have to do with Hitler. McCain must see the writing on the wall.
Posted by: Darrin | Nov 29, 2007 12:33:34 AM
my comment is different than others... when watching and listening at the end when the ABC commentaty came on talking about the debates I noticed a lady carrying the AMERICAN FLAG or should i say she was draging the AMERICAN FLAG across the floor/// PLEASE TELL ME THAT WHAT I SAW WAS NOT REALLY HAPPENING/// i would like for some one to please tell me that was not what i saw. that made my heart fall.
Posted by: tcwebb | Nov 29, 2007 1:12:03 AM
I was all for Huckabee but now that he voiced his opinion about the death penalty i just cannot aggree with him there.....THOU SHALL NOT KILL....WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT!!!!.....i also beleive that Ron Paul is the most honest candidate and i beleive i will be looking into him a lot more...i like Ron Paul!!!
Posted by: taylor | Nov 29, 2007 1:12:31 AM
Huck totally dodged the Jesus part of his question. He joked about it instead. This is what they do, try to make you laugh and hope you forget the REAL question. Bottom line, Jesus would NEVER promote the death penalty. NO WAY. Huck didn't fool me. I know exactly what he is up to. There are several people that lived in Arkansas when Huck was Govoner and they didn't have many good things to say about him. Huck is a liar and a con artist like the rest. And he thinks that he is good at lying.
Posted by: Brian | Nov 29, 2007 1:19:34 AM
I can't believe that McCain was dumb enough to use the term ISOLATIONIST. Ron destroyed McCain on that one. These other candidates really don't prepare well at all. Here is a hint for the other candidates: Leave Ron alone and you won't look like an idiot. I love it when the other candidates get upset and try to make Ron look bad. They really don't understand who they are dealing with. Ron has studied and debated these topics for decades. Ron actually has REAL information and the Constitution to back him up.
Posted by: Brian | Nov 29, 2007 1:25:41 AM
McCain threw his whole campaign away when he tried to pass the Amnesty bill earlier this year. I don't know how he can stand there and say that the bill wasn't an Amnesty bill. Everyone knows what it was.
Posted by: Brian | Nov 29, 2007 1:30:31 AM
To post(David Kyriacou)WHAT DOES AGE GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING?,"WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU"!!,HERE WE FINALLY GOT A CADDIATE THAT WANTS TO RESTORE OUR CONSTITUTION,WHICH PERSERVE OUR LIBERTY'S....AND ALL YOU COULD SAY IS "WE DONT LIVE IN 1776",(THE IRAQ WAR WAS A SCAM, WAKE UP!!!),BUSH LIED ABOUT THE WOMD,"AND NOW HE WANT'S TO GO AFTER IRAN NEXT, OVER ANOTHER LIE...."TO GIVE UP LIBERTY FOR SOME SECURITY, YOU DESERVE NETHER BOTH"!!
Posted by: Eric V. | Nov 29, 2007 1:38:32 AM
I am confused by McCain statements by Mccain in the debate. In the second question of the debate he said that we have failed in Iraq. Then later in the debate he says we are winning in Iraq. What's up with that. Is he suffering from short tem memory loss?
Posted by: Jack | Nov 29, 2007 1:38:39 AM
David Kyriacou says: "...threat of terrorism to catastrophic proportions is real"
David don't be scared, it just the boogie men who are trying to manipulate you into giving up your liberty for a little "security". So far these sensationalist scare tactics have been largely successful in stripping away your rights and plunging the nation toward bankruptcy, but listen carefully to what Ron Paul has to say and toughen up to these brainwashing techniques that would have you hiding under the bed calling for mommy.
Ron Paul is right in that we have faced far bigger real threats in the past compared to these terrorists that are largely an invention of our foreign policies. Turn off the TV and the MSM that are partisan with the military industrial complex then seek the truth and you’ll find that your fears have been misplaced and that the real threat lies with enemies that have so far tricked you into supporting their agenda.
Ron Paul is the only one who is aware of the real danger CFR/NAU inspired goals that threaten the nation state of America and the liberty of its citizens. Time is of essence and Ron Paul represents a once in a lifetime opportunity to correct the plunge toward fascism. Act now to get Ron Paul elected.
Posted by: Louis Lambert | Nov 29, 2007 1:50:09 AM
Excellent non biased coverage, just giving the facts and letting the readers decide.
Posted by: Casey | Nov 29, 2007 1:50:45 AM
Ok, imagine this scenario. We are total enemies with Mexico. They have annexed a part of Texas back by force. The rest of the US is PISSED. China starts flowing Mexico weapons, even nuclear bombs. Then they park their battleships in the gulf of mexico pointed at us. Then they occupy South Dakota and put a military base around Mt.Rushmore. What would you do as an American? You would do everything in your power to fight the chinese right? Well, that is EXACTLY what's going on with the Islamist Jihadists. The 9/11 commission report confirms it as well as documented history. Because of the US foreign policy over the course of several decades we have been attacked. They attacked the symbols of our corporate greed and our military might. If we do NOT leave them alone, it is going to bankrupt us. We cannot nor should not subjugate the middle east no matter what currency is competing against the US dollar as the world reserve currency. We need to peg our dollar to some hard commodity like Steve Forbes said and let the world come to us because we have sound money. Please, for the sake of my children, quit listening to the MainStreamMedia propaganda and do some research for yourself. Don't be fed what you should believe because you do so at the detriment of not just you or even me and my family, but the global community at large. There is a resource war brewing because all of our economies rely on oil to keep the civilians going to work making things and to stores buying things and the construction equipment steadily building infrastructure. There has to be infinite growth but we live in a world of finite commodities. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that can bring about sensibility to the rest of the nations on this planet and have us all work TOGETHER towards solving the energy crisis. A renewable resource that we can all share instead of having a nuclear war over. Sorry, but i'd much rather give peace a chance than bankrupt my nation fighting an unwinnable battle against a phantom foe. The terrorists live in CAVES. They have no army. Why are we spending trillions of dollars there. Don't you think they KNEW that the US already had planned to invade Iraq after Saddam swapped to the Euro for petroleum sales. They KNEW the US was going to go bankrupt from this war and we totally fell into the trap. It's time to snap out of it and make peace with them. They don't attack us because we are free, they attack us because we are over there occupying their land, lobbing tons worth of depleted uranium shells into their lands, and putting on sanctions that have killed MILLIONS of people. We should be ASHAMED of ourselves and our foreign policy. We should be ASHAMED of how far we let the crooked politicians take us. We went from the shining light of the world to the most despised nation on the planet. Ron Paul is the last great hope for our planet so either be a part of the Revolution or prepare to get steamrolled by the rest of us.
Posted by: NeoConned | Nov 29, 2007 1:51:29 AM
After Tancredo addressed Ron Paul, Ron tried to rebuttal but Anderson didn't allow him to.
I'm sure he thought "no no, thats enough attention for you".
Ron told him twice "He addressed me....He addressed me". Second time he said this his mic volume was lowered and Anderson continued the debate. How convenient.
Posted by: Adrian P. | Nov 29, 2007 2:03:25 AM
"AND LET US NOT FOGET,THE BUSH FAMILY ARE FRIENDS WITH THE BIN LADENS",(WE SOLD THEM WEPONS, "THATS A FACT" )
Posted by: Eric V. | Nov 29, 2007 2:18:30 AM
Talking to educated man today about this situation, he explained his opinion about terrorism and I'm fearful the majority of america's opinion.
He said (paraphrasing). Terrorists goal is to terrorize in order to install terror in an innocent public, and that's why they are called terroists. :) I simply said terrorists are labeled terrorists by the victims (or the gorvening body of those victims), not by the activists. I'm by no means an apologist, but can we please wake the hell up.
Posted by: aj | Nov 29, 2007 2:23:44 AM
To Casey above: RIGHT ON BROTHER! Amen all the way. Your "imagine this" scenario needs to be imagined by every Ron Paul critic--because #1, it could happen, but #2 it will actually make people THINK and understand that Ron Paul is right.
Posted by: John | Nov 29, 2007 2:29:02 AM
In my opinion, this was not a fair debate. I have listened to almost all the candidates and the knowledge level of Ron Paul is hundred feet higher than the rest about almost any major topic. These candidatse are midgets in terms of constitution and finance compared to Dr. Paul. Plesae read the book and the gold standard debates of Paul for these. Now, it seems he knows more about foreign policy than McCain. Well, that says he is the best in foreign policy too.
Posted by: S Singh | Nov 29, 2007 2:45:57 AM
Lord! Do you think that mainstream media may figure out that running more articles about Ron Paul will increase their readership by 200%!
Posted by: KS | Nov 29, 2007 3:38:06 AM
America doesn't deserve Ron Paul. He is a decent, honest, moral man of principle who just wants peace and liberty. Americans are bloodthirsty imperialists who want to tell everyone, American and non-Amnerican what's best for them. And they're willing to use the military and the militarized police to enforce their will on others.
I hope Ron Paul drops out of the race, because America doesn't deserve him. America deserves Hillary or Romney. And I hope America gets one of them.
Posted by: mbarnett | Nov 29, 2007 4:41:21 AM
Tariq,
First of all, never ever ever ever ever get your historical knowledge from wikipedia. That's one of the first things people will learn in school nowadays because it isn't peer reviewed.
Second, based on your previous posts, I think that you're having a little bit of difficulty understanding the English language. I don't say that to be nasty, but even using the wikipedia entry, there's no way that you can possibly come to the conclusion that the Rothschild family gave money to the Nazi Party. Now, the entry definitely says that the Nazi Party robbed the family of its wealth. Because of the harassment that the family faced, the Austrian government gave the Rothschild family bank over to the Nazi Party. In no way did the family willingly give money to the Nazi Party. The wiki entry that you rely on very clearly states that it was all stolen.
Posted by: Eric Feld | Nov 29, 2007 5:33:17 AM
Look what a warmongering President has gotten for our country,a total mess. The last thing we need is another warmongering President. McCain sounds almost Nazi like when he makes stupid warmongering statements.I think he's been hanging out with too many Neocons of late.
Posted by: AJ | Nov 29, 2007 8:30:04 AM
After watching the debate late night is has become crystal clear to me that the Republicans have no chance to win the general election, unless RON PAUL becomes the nominee. Americans and especially those that serve in our military are tired of this war. McCain's comment about troop sentiment saying "Let us win" is ridiculous! Win what! We already won (even GWB said so..lol). We overtook Iraq in record fashion and our troops have proven themsleves the most formidable army on the planet. Saddam is DEAD! The surge has worked and slowly order is being restored to Iraq. It is now the time for the Iraqi people to take back control of their own destiny. The Iraqi people don't want us to occupy their country indefinitely and use it as a launching base for an attack against Iran. Beyond that, how do these war-mongering fools suggest we pay for a lingering troop presence in the Middle East. Our national debt is sky-rocketing and our economy is in serious trouble. The FED dropping interest rates is like a band-aid on a severed artery. RON PAUL is an economist, historian and patriot. The Republican party has lost its way and now ridicule Ron Paul for being the only one smart enough to check his compass of American sentiment. RON PAUL will either win the nomination or ruin any chances of the Republicans getting in the White House. And BTW, Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul wanted to get rid of the IRS before you ever came up with the idea! And to think... John McCain once called RON PAUL . "the most honest man in Washington".
Posted by: Uniblogger | Nov 29, 2007 9:33:20 AM
If there was a draft there would not be a Iraq invasion. Comparing sadam to hitler is just plain stupid. What air force did sadam have..the iraqi military was old and outdated there was no comparison..how many countries could he invade..he was scared that iran would invade him...that's no hitler..this is just republican bs.
Posted by: larry | Nov 29, 2007 9:37:21 AM
What a silly notion that we are fighting "them" (pray, how large is their army?) over there, to protect us over here.
The truth is that the people who pull the strings that tie George Bush’s hands gambled on us being successful in overthrowing Saddam and installing a puppet pro-American government. This in turn would have allowed US corporations access to Iraqi oil fields. “Our” oil supplies would have been secured. In addition, it held the promise of creating great wealth especially for those corporations who own our politicians and the political process. To gain the support of the Christian Right (those who are supposed to be pro-life, but might have a pang of conscience being pro-war at the same time), they were told it was necessary for the defense of Israel to take out Saddam.
Long before 9/11, the Bush Administration’s agenda included regime change in Iraq. Paul O’Neill is our inside source of reference. After 9/11 it became much easier to persuade the public that, given some half-truths, propaganda, fear-mongering and a UN resolution, the US should invade Iraq. Only Ron Paul stood up in Congress and warned the country that this action was foolhardy, unconstitutional and immoral.
Now more than four years later, government auditors are warning that the war will cost us $2.3 trillion. Add this to the $9 trillion national debt and we are a country in serious debt. We currently pay $500 billion per annum to service the $9 trillion debt. We are building an embassy in Iraq the size of the Vatican and 14 military bases. The cost will run close to a trillion dollars. We have 700 military bases in 130 countries. Our foreign empire costs us another trillion dollars a year to maintain. Ron Paul will bring our troops home, slash our foreign spending and start repaying our national debt ($30,000 per man, woman and child, not including $8,000 per capita to fund the war). Currently we are borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars a year to finance government expenditures. This borrowing places a huge interest cost on us. Future generations will have to deal with the repayment of capital. There is nothing moral about this picture.
Posted by: Albert Meyer | Nov 29, 2007 9:41:10 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that there a few, just a few of our military personel who think that just because they served, they are experts on policies, and stratagies. This is not true, sometimes we are programmed/snowed, and right in the middle of the forrest so we can't see it for the trees. If you want to know and understand the history of any event, any nation, then you must take a serious intrest in doing your research, just as many of our historians (not the contracted historians that most of are familiar with)have. First we have to get used to not calling every one who attempts to educate the public conspiracy theorists, but to remain objective and learn the truth. Don't accept that everything you read is the truth just because it came from a popular source.
Posted by: Rene | Nov 29, 2007 9:47:12 AM
i kept my television on cnn after the debate and they had a panel with different analysts and they also said only ONE candidate was unbushlike(true). then a few minutes later, one of them said huckabee made some good points but sounded silly in stating he would do away with the IRS. said huckabee is staring to sound like ron paul with all this "North American Union" garbage that is all in his head. flat -out lie! NAU is real. i live a few miles from the land that was proposed for this super highway. the people of this state (texas) fought against it and won. alot of ranchers and farmers would have lost their land had the highway been passed. the gov. already signed a pact with mexico and canada in 2005 here at baylor university, look it up. they are just trying to implement it slowly so that by the time people realize what is going on it will be too late. if you do not believe or understand anything you hear on this thread or any other, on the debate, or what any candidate says DO NOT ASSUME you know! it does not matter! if you believe something is wrong, disprove it. with more than one source ofcourse. no matter who says it. some people out there will find out and be shocked, some will just keep eating the tasty pie served to them by the Main Stream Media(MSM) and others will just ignore it all, right or wrong. ahh, ignorance is bliss!!!
Posted by: roland | Nov 29, 2007 10:07:35 AM
What Paul and most of the public missed on, McCain says "We allowed Hitler to come to power with that kind of attitude of isolationism "
OK correct me if I am wrong, HITLER=ISOLATIONIST, HMMMMM
Didnt Hitler go and attack sovereign nations that had perpetrated NO harm onto Germany. I would call HITLER an
INTERNATIONALIST...... you could add warmonger to the end of internationalist, if it makes you internationalists feel better.



