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Ron Paul's Gunpowder Plot

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November 02, 2007 6:12 PM

ABC's Z. Byron Wolf Reports from South Carolina: It's sort of an odd allusion for a fundraising campaign in these days of hypersensitivity to terrorism, even if the Congressman it will benefit is running for president as a Libertarian Republican spoiler who wants to drastically change the way government runs in Washington.

But there was Ron Paul on the stump at Clemson in South Carolina telling a group of several hundred students and supporters, "Remember, remember the 5th of November."

In this case, he was referring to a fundraising drive and not a plot specifically to blow anything up. Maybe the apple cart.

The catchy slogan comes from a nursery rhyme about Guy Fawkes, the 17th Century crusader for Catholics rights caught in the basement of Parliament with 36 barrels of gunpowder. He failed in his mission to blow the place up.

Paul clarified at the rally that he is not involved in this particular fundraising effort.

But on their website with a call "for the largest one day political donation in history," Paul supporters want to ignite a monetary bomb of their own. They hope for 100,000 subscribers to raise $10 million bucks for Paul on that day.  They have a ways to go over the weekend –- the site lists 15,991 subscribers as of late Friday.

The Paul campaign has set an official goal of raising $12 million by the end of the year.

Perhaps it's a stretch, but if Parliament is anything like Congress, its an allegorical explosion in the place where Paul casts votes every day as a Republican Congressman from Texas.

The Guy Fawkes theme is not new in popular culture. But in recent years, allusions have seen the plot succeed -- or at least envisioned a boom.

It's the topic of the John Lennon song "Remember" from his Plastic Ono Band Album

The end of the song goes like this: "If you ever feel so sad, And the whole world is driving you mad, Remember, remember today. Don't feel sorry,  'Bout the way it's gone,  Don't you worry,  'Bout what you've done,  Remember, remember the fifth of November.  (Boom)"

The Guy Fawkes scenario is also the subject of the dystopic 2005 Big Brother-style fantasy thriller "V for Vendetta" in which a Guy Fawkes caped crusader succeeds in blowing up Parliament.

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Yeh, that's right, send your hard-earned money to a guy that doesn't give ONE IOTA about helping the poor & middle class (children, adults, nor seniors) w/affordable healthcare!!!

Posted by: sayNO2drno | Nov 2, 2007 6:33:52 PM

Btw, he DOES though, plan to NOT make drug companies liable for FALSELY marketing their products!!! AND, he ALSO plans to PROHIBIT the government from continuing any medical research (to find cures & vaccines, etc)!!! So, go right ahead, & give your money away to this man for these causes!!!

Posted by: sayNO2drno | Nov 2, 2007 6:41:26 PM

Ron Paul is the only thing that can save our country from the special interests and big government spenders.

I am tired of sending my hard earned money to the fat cats in washington who fight over taxpayers money and send a small fraction of it back to save face in their "social programs" and invite more illegal aliens to sign up for free handouts.


Posted by: Paul Weber | Nov 2, 2007 6:44:57 PM

Please Google Ron Paul yourself and listen to what the guy has to say. Don't make up your mind based on the partisan posts of a few random readers.


Peace and free trade! Ron Paul!

Posted by: Francisco d Anconia | Nov 2, 2007 6:48:30 PM

this is a response to poster: sayno

You're very ill informed ('scuse the pun) - Ron Paul is the only one with a feasible plan for Health Care and if you listened to anything at all that he has had to say, he is the only Candidate who really cares about what is and what will happen to the poor and middle class.

He is the only one who's word you can trust.

Unless you don't care at all for the Constitution ??

Posted by: TexansForRonPaul | Nov 2, 2007 6:50:34 PM

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's just totally unfounded and untrue. Do you really trust the government to do a better job at providing affordable heath-care? What you would get is waiting lists and service like the D.M.V. or post office and a very narrow list of covered items. Ask someone in Canada how much they like their health care system. Ron Paul wants to give the tax dollars that would pay for such a system back to all of us who paid them in the first place and allow us as individuals to drive competition and consequently drive prices down for many prescription items. Do you really think that as a seasons medical doctor he is really that out of touch with the problems with the current system? Maybe you should do a little more homework on Dr. Paul before you slander him like that.

Posted by: David H. | Nov 2, 2007 6:51:09 PM

He DOES want to spend the money we have overseas and actually make WHOLE social security and medicare! So there :-)~

And as far as tort, he wants to CLOSE the lobby doors, which is what gives the criminal companies a red carpet for the illegal pushing of harmful drugs on our streets. And he wants to open up the university-business enterprise of true free market (not corporate welfarism we've experienced), thereby making good, safe drugs available by choice, not by an HMO, driven by lobby and special interests. Anyone remember Vioxx?

There are many more constructive ways to deal with medicine and taking care of the needy. You need only to look at his record AND example. There is a larger, more profound reasoning to his positions - and they do NOT certainly include putting the poor or needy on the street.

He does not want to do things overnight. In fact, he has NEVER voted to pull money out of social security OR medicare - it's unconstitutional - and -again, he wants to make them whole.

only then, institute a lobby-free market system that WILL provide cheap, competitive, even compassionate medicine. I remember church hospitals, affordable medicine, and doctor's house calls. And hypocratic oaths.

Your statements are derisive and shortsided.

Posted by: Pdubya | Nov 2, 2007 6:52:42 PM

Thanks sayNO2drno, you pretty much did describe why I'm voting for him. Of course I'd disagree with your assertions that he doesn't want to help people w/affordable health care (ignoring that he often treated patients for free when they couldn't afford it). I think that's exactly what he wants to do, just through a different method than yours (yours=theft). I think his method will work, I think yours is immoral and will not work. Seems obvious who I should vote for...

Posted by: Jimmy Liberty | Nov 2, 2007 6:54:20 PM

You socialists need to stop misrepresenting Paul. It's not that he "doesn't care" about the needy, it's that he doesn't want a bloated, wasteful, corrupt government middleman stealing YOUR money and supposedly divvying it up in your name. And bear in mind that if the states want to do that, they'll still be able to. He is running for one Presidency, not 50 Governorships. The entire premise of his politics is that the federal government is too big, and that the states should be making these decisions. This keeps decisions LOCAL, with the people who will have to abide by them. Funnily enough, the Constitution agrees with Paul.

Posted by: phoobaar | Nov 2, 2007 6:54:49 PM

To the first post, thats not what we need - government healthcare is equivalent to no health care it just cost everyone a whole lot of money.

Get a clue or just go to Canada to see for yourself. I would not be willing to wait three weeks to get my tooth pulled.

Posted by: Joe Lawson | Nov 2, 2007 6:58:03 PM

I do believe sayNo2drno is speaking out of his butt. How does he know whether Dr. Paul gives one iota or two iotas about the poor? Oh, I know. Because Ron Paul doesn't want to use the power of government to confiscate people's money and then redistribute it to whomever the government deems needy, he must not care for the poor. I wonder if sayNO knows that Dr. Paul gave his services to the poor instead of taking Medicaid money. Actions speak louder than socialist rhetoric.

Posted by: Kevin | Nov 2, 2007 6:58:52 PM

If 'sayNO2drno' knew anything about the monetary system is set up, and how we are robbed of our wealth, this person would begin to understand WHY there are poor people in our country and WHY the middle class is disappearing. In regards to medicine, this person should also begin to look at the 'cures' we have today that we spend all of our money on. In case anyone hasn't noticed, the medical establishment offers NO CURES, only 'disease management'. I AM VOTING FOR RON PAUL. He is the TRUTH.

Posted by: Next Dimensions | Nov 2, 2007 7:02:00 PM

I find it amusing how hostile people are towards Ron Paul. They spread UN-true facts and become almost belligerent. If Paul is as minimal as you say, then why so hostile? why so worried? Wake up! Educate yourself! Do you always do what your told?

Posted by: Whistler | Nov 2, 2007 7:06:09 PM

SAVE THE DOLLAR!
The best way we can help the people is to stop this wasteful spending domestically and overseas and save the dollar!

Inflation is so bad, cost of living is going to DOUBLE in about a year! Can you imagine paying $6/gallon for gas and double for your heating oil and food? It's happening already, look at the cost of a gallon of milk! The best indicator for this is the cost of gold, it's over 800/oz and turning fastly into 1000/oz by xmas!

To help the middle and lower class, stop the inflation, and get Ron Paul in the white house!

Invest in gold, buy some emergency soup, and pray that the Liberals and Warmongers don't keep doing what they are doing.

Go Ron Paul! $100 on Nov 5th

Posted by: Tim | Nov 2, 2007 7:15:54 PM

Remember, Remember, Give all you can on any day. The 5th of November is as good as any other! I think it started because of the anti fascist fiction movie "V for Vendetta". Many people see our society as reflecting what they saw in that movie. This is a statement to reject fascism, not embrace Guy Fawkes.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Freedom, Liberty, Financial Soundness and Responsibility.
His reasoning is sound, and his manner his of a truly gentle and concerned man. Not the kind of guy who hates anyone, let alone the poor. I have met the man, and he is Real, he is Honest, he really should be our President!
We can't stop there, we have to get active at all levels and only elect persons of high integrity to all offices. We must remove the cancer in Washington, stop voting for talking heads, demand real people as representatives. Like Ron Paul.

Posted by: Rahn | Nov 2, 2007 7:26:00 PM

Yeah, just go to Canada and see for yourself, people! It must really be horrible to live in a country where the health care system, while not perfect, won't leave you homeless and hopelessly destitute if you become seriously ill or injured! Bottom line, folks: Nobody's health care system is perfect, and you do have to wait a LITTLE longer (usually around 2-4 weeks) for certain MINOR or ELECTIVE procedures in single-payer countries, but any REASONABLE person would much rather have to wait a little longer for minor/elective procedures than risk ending up living behind a dumpster and begging for a handout from selfish, hateful, right-wing social Darwinians like most of the heartless primates posting around here! Hundreds of billions for bombs, but precious little for schools and NOTHING for health care -- get a grip for one stinking moment and THINK about what that says about us as a nation! It's DISGRACEFUL, people!

Posted by: TheDreaming1 | Nov 2, 2007 7:28:20 PM

SayNO2drno, if the Founders of this country wanted the Federal government to be charity, you would find authority for such in the Constitution. Not only do you not find it in the Constitution, you find in places like Ammendment 10 of the Bill of Rights that the intended role for the Federal government was that it should do very little. Ron Paul understands this. He also has taken the time to study libertarian philosophy (you know...liberty?...like the Statue of Liberty?) and Austrian economics. There are easy to understand primers for both in the marketplace. Get a hold of some and read them. You'll quickly learn that the issues involved are larger than you currently perceive them to be.

Posted by: Brad | Nov 2, 2007 7:30:04 PM

The one thing Ron Paul won't do for your poor and middle class young men and women is send them off to die in a war that 70% of American's want over now. He will not leave them saddled with tens of trillions of dollars of debt and hyper-inflation. In a few years the government won't be able to provide anything for anybody because of inflation anyway.

Posted by: Terry Frisch | Nov 2, 2007 7:31:26 PM

Ron Paul is the only sensible candidate running. Everyone else promises more spending, more spending, more spending. We can't even afford our current obligations. We borrow and "print" the money which is driving massive price inflation that REALLY hurts the poor and middle class.

We also pay interest on the phony money created by the Fed and loaned to the government. The rich bankers get richer - stealing our wealth - it's reverse Robin Hood. Ron Paul wants to stop them!

Posted by: James | Nov 2, 2007 7:31:55 PM

I like some of what Ron would plan to do as president, but I have a fundamental ideological disagreement with Libertarians that is simply irreconciliable. They say government should do virtually nothing; I say government exists to take care of the vital necessities that people cannot take care of for themselves! We have fire departments and police departments for perfectly valid reasons -- and when you call them for help, they don't ask whether your (grievously expensive private) insurance covers the problem or leave you on the verge of bankruptcy just for putting out your house fire or arresting the two drunks fighting on your lawn! Health care is a form of protection that is NO LESS of a public necessity than fire or police protection! Furthermore, we ALREADY give old folks free "socialized" health care (it's called Medicare, and its costs run about ONE-EIGHTH of what PRIVATE health care costs -- so much for free-market absolutism!), so there's no reason why can't we do it for everyone else, too! All we need to do is stop waging needless wars to the tune of $1 billion-plus per week and we'll have plenty of money to spend on providing every citizen with health care AND a decent education!

Posted by: TheDreaming1 | Nov 2, 2007 7:50:49 PM

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