« Thompson Boots Bhutto 'Apology' | Main | An Inconvenient Due Date »

Obama's Cup of Tea

Share

December 28, 2007 3:59 PM

ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: Six days from the Iowa caucuses and the battle over experience has not subsided.

Barack Obama insists his experiences traveling and having family living overseas brings more to the table than, let's say, the job of a former first lady.

"It's that experience, that understanding, not just of what world leaders I went and talked to in the ambassadors house I had tea with, but understanding the lives of the people like my grandmother who lives in a tiny hut in Africa," Obama, D-Ill., told a crowd of would-be voters in Coralville, Iowa, on Friday.

The veiled shot at Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., couldn't be more succinct as he argued that her experience level as a first lady doesn't outshine his as a world traveler.

Obama went on to argue that this difference led him to make judgment about the Iraq war.

"That's the experience that helped inform my opposition to the war in Iraq, that's the kind of experience that's rooted in the real lives of the American people," he said.

Obama's tea comment sparked a response from Clinton's campaign Friday. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, a supporter of Clinton's, issued a statement.

"Senator Clinton has been in refugee camps, clinics, orphanages, and villages all around the world, including places where tea is not the usual drink," Albright said. "In addition to these experiences she has met with world leaders and has known many of them for years.  I have been with her on many of these occasions, and it is this combination of experience and understanding that sets her apart from the field, and why I am supporting her for President."

Clinton refused to respond Friday when reporters asked her about Obama's "tea" comments.

At a campaign stop Friday in Clinton, Iowa reporters asked Obama to clarify his remarks.

Obama said, "Why do you guys like to gin up these kind of stories like this? I was making the same comment I've made many times which is that knowing a country is more to do than visiting an ambassador's office, those folks must really be on edge if they think we spend all our time thinking about them," he said. "They need to think about the American people a little more instead of us." 

But it has all been rough and tumble on the campaign trail.

At an earlier town hall event in Williamsburg, Iowa, Obama recalled a recent conversation with his wife, Michelle Obama.

The candidate recounted told the crowd how his aspiring first lady told him, " 'You know, in eight years, I'm not sure we'd be the same people as we are now,' " and joked that they are "not doing this again."

Just five years ago, Obama told the crowd, the couple had just paid off their student loads after ten years of law school and hadn't yet set up a college fund for their daughters.

"My wife was still shopping at Target. She still does," Obama said. "And she said, 'You know, eight years from now, we will have lost a little bit of touch with what ordinary families are going through. We'll still be good people, hopefully, but we'll be in a different orbit, in a different circle. Our worries will be different and our concerns will be different. And we're already there, but at least we'll still remember what that was like.' And I thought that that was a wonderful insight."

The candidate, who regularly refers to Senator Clinton and her husband former President Bill Clinton as part of the "Washington establishment", continued, "One of the things that I think I offer in this race is. . . the way (Michelle) put it is, 'We still remember what it's like to be normal.' But I think that's part of what happens when you're in Washington for a very long time -- you lose touch with that."

ABC News' Eloise Harper contributed to this report.

You can read more of Sunlen Miller's dispatches from the campaign trail by clicking here. And for the latest on the 2008 race for the White House, read The Note every morning.

December 28, 2007 in Clinton, Hillary, Obama, Barack, Vote 2008: Democrats | Permalink | User Comments (136)

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/433071/24583226

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Obama's Cup of Tea:

User Comments

Newsflash Obambi: Normalcy in our country ended long long ago...

Also, immediately cutting off aid to Pakistan is about the most insane idea I have heard yet this silly season. Is Mr. Obambi Hussein getting his talking points from Dennis "UFO" Kucinich and/or Ron "Anti-Semite" Paul?

Posted by: Robert Marley | Dec 28, 2007 4:31:10 PM

Obama and Hillary will both have some new questions to answer, along with Giuliani and Huckabee. They all just made Judicial Watch's Top 10 Most Corrupt Politicials list!

Posted by: Cory | Dec 28, 2007 4:31:15 PM

we in illinois remember what it was like to have two senators (only one was respected, Peter Fitzgerald)

Posted by: JACK | Dec 28, 2007 4:34:43 PM

Our country needs Obama right now. He can bring this country together at a time when we are too polarized to accomplish what needs to be done. We need to ensure that citizens have health care and that we don't launch preemptive wars under false pretenses. We need to regain our soul and stop torturing people and locking them up indefinitely without any charges.

Know hope.

Vote for Obama (I'm talking to you Iowans!)

Posted by: Anthony Johnson | Dec 28, 2007 4:41:05 PM

Wait a minute here.
Obama allows his Grandmother,
to live in a "tiny hut in Africa",
yet he is a millionaire?
Does anyone else see something
very wrong about that?

Posted by: SpottedOwlStew | Dec 28, 2007 4:44:32 PM

The man is a great orator, But the capacity to tell an engaging story is not what makes a great leader.
Unfortunatly, he does not have a clue how the real world works.

Posted by: Spastic Jack | Dec 28, 2007 4:47:46 PM

We need a fresh start. Vote Obama 2008

And FYI - the vituperative attacks against Obama must mean that he is really threatening to people. Good. He's threatening because he's a sign of the future. A hopeful future.

Posted by: Jill | Dec 28, 2007 5:07:44 PM

SpottedOwlStew you could not be more right. What American grandson, regardless of wealth, would allow his grandmother to live in a hovel? If he accepts this type of treatment of his own family then what about the American elderly?

Posted by: lindafranke1952 | Dec 28, 2007 5:08:57 PM

"Eight years from now"?

A bit presumptuous don't you think?

Posted by: ray | Dec 28, 2007 5:10:46 PM

Hey...my wife still shops at Target! Sounds like a cheap shot at us common folk to me....

Posted by: Bob | Dec 28, 2007 5:27:56 PM

This message is in response to Robert Marley.
Cutting off aid to a puppet military dictator that uses the money to oppress his people and drive them into the arms of the Taliban is a good idea. That and to say Ron Paul is an anti-semite just shows your ignorance. His 3 mentors in economics whose pictures hang on his wall were all Jewish. Rothbard, Mises and Hayek. What an anti-semite. Do a little research. You don't agree with him and that is fine but don't talk out your ###.

Posted by: nate | Dec 28, 2007 5:30:57 PM

Did any of you stop to think that maybe Obama's grandmother WANTS to live in that African hut and does not want the materialistic trappings that an American life offers? Or maybe she doesn't want to live in the US at all! You clowns think everyone in the world wants an American lifestyle? No thanks, you can keep your daily Paris Hilton news flashes and sub-prime loans to yourselves!

Just because you can afford it does not mean you want it or need it.

Posted by: realist | Dec 28, 2007 5:41:59 PM

um..hovel? Why does it have to be a hovel? Maybe she is happy living in clean air and clean land in a modest hut living a modest life? I'm sure if she were in distress like the sally struthers Commercials, he'd help.

Please dig deeper for some mud worth tossing. Your lack of respect is very apparent.

Posted by: Grimjack | Dec 28, 2007 5:48:39 PM

d'yeh think Mitt Romney's wife still shops at Target? What it was was a sparkling endorsement for Target.

keeeeep diggin....

Posted by: GrimJim | Dec 28, 2007 5:50:17 PM

Musharraf is a military dictator and we have funded him with billions of dollars.

What have we gotten in return?

Chaos.

Robert Marley needs to go over himself and fix everything. He is so brave and smart.

Posted by: Rich | Dec 28, 2007 5:53:54 PM


I'M WITH YOU RAY, A BIT PRESUMPTUOUS
DON'T YOU THINK ??? HE IS DEFINATELY NOT READY FOR THIS JOB, THAT IS FOR SURE...
THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON THAT CAN HANDLE THIS JOB AND IN THESE TIMES AND THAT IS
RUDY, AND HE CAN'T WIN EITHER.

Posted by: dommie | Dec 28, 2007 5:55:17 PM

Robert:

Barack Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Born-Again Christian. First, get your facts straight. Second, do not presume to know all of America's opinions. Third, who cares if he were Muslim?

Ignorance. It's a detrimental thing.

Realist:
You took the words right out of my mouth. His grandmother might not want a lavish lifestyle; no one can know for sure except for Barack and his grandmother, so accusing him of being a horrible son is not valid.

Posted by: Mel1747 | Dec 28, 2007 6:00:14 PM

"Third, who cares if he were Muslim?"

Wow, somebody is out of touch with reality.

Posted by: Decent Person | Dec 28, 2007 6:13:05 PM

born again christian is only slightly better than islamic. they are both whacked out fundamentalists that should be feared.

Posted by: Jeff Jackson | Dec 28, 2007 6:20:23 PM

Why does a US senators grandmother live in a tiny hut in Africa, without water and electricity??? Do you think Hillary Clinton's grandmother would be living in a tiny hut in Africa? This is disgraceful. Do he and his successful Law firm partner wife not have enough money to enough his grandmother lives somewhere other than a hut?

Posted by: s.b. | Dec 28, 2007 6:20:55 PM

Oh yeah if he can't get water electricity and health care to his own grandmother does anyone believe he will get it for them as president????

Posted by: s.b. | Dec 28, 2007 6:23:03 PM

Perhaps Obama's grandmother lives in a hut in Africa because that's her home and where she wants to live. Believe it or not, most Africans actually love their home!

Posted by: Damon F | Dec 28, 2007 6:23:46 PM

God, there are too many moronic comments!

Obama is a nice guy who wants a very lucrative job.

Stop acting like every comment you make has to be political and tear down someone to help your favorite candidate.

I wouldn't vote for him to be president, but I wouldn't treat every election as some sleezy gotta get my guy elected at all costs event either.

Man up, yo! Start acting like adults.

Posted by: Jeff Barea | Dec 28, 2007 6:25:53 PM

That the hell does "change" mean??
That's all Obama talks about without giving speciofics other that giving freebie's to all who ask.

He's on the "Most corrupt politician" list though!!

Fred Thompson in 08!!!

Posted by: Dr Smooth | Dec 28, 2007 6:33:35 PM

Yes, Fred Thompson '08! A comatose President will be unable to do anything stupid! Or anything at all! even better!


(This started as a parody, but now that I think about it...)

Posted by: HellifIknow | Dec 28, 2007 6:43:43 PM

RIP Benazir.

Posted by: gster | Dec 28, 2007 6:45:36 PM

Some of you need to travel beyond the American borders and accept that the world has much too offer. Never has America been more arrogant, pretentious, and ignorant of the world than in this moment. We have a president who has undermined democracy in his own country and a vice-president whose vast experience of sending others to war while safeguarding his own life, has led to a needless and fruitless conflict.

The irony of Decent Person's post points to the absolute inanity of much of the right in this country who only associate fanaticism with the Muslim community, forgetting that Christianity is susceptible to identical perversions. We are a laic state and thank god for our supposed separation of church and state. I would recommend leaving your hovel in Arkansas and venturing to see a world with civilizations thousands of years older than our own. Perhaps your presumption of superiority would be quelled and your heart could be opened to the knowledge that people can live fruitfully and happily without the wanton materialism and status symbols that define our nation's character. We were once a nation of boldness and thought, but sadly we are now characterized by an institutionalized idiocy and dumbed down electorate who believe that a big stick is more powerful than an agile mind. We live in a country where we construct more prisons than schools, where education has become an afterthought and guns a more common property than books. Some of the responses on this article represent the intellectual maturity and breadth of a two year old primate and unfortunately, that thoughtlessness has prevailed in much of America.

The "real world" extends far beyond our borders and to understand it, one must be a part of it. Unfortunately, the religious right and its conservative cohorts believe the only relevant history to be that of a book written 2000 years ago. God help these neophytes and myopic fools find the faith to be humbled and informed. Have we not learned from Vietnam and Korea, Iraq and now again in Afghanistan that to underestimate our foe, to find him inferior because he may be different, has lead to the myriad death and destruction of so many who did nothing to deserve such malevolence and violence. We have become what we once abhorred, the tyrant and the conquerer. Obama, I hope can become the usurper and uniter. We need bold leadership. The fifteen minutes of the religious right is up!

Posted by: Rob | Dec 28, 2007 6:47:23 PM

I want to live in a hut in Africa.
A lot less obtrusive ignorance floating around so freely out there, a little more peace and quiet.
Ill probably stay here though, and Ill probably vote for Obama too

Posted by: Jordan | Dec 28, 2007 7:05:14 PM

And Amen to Rob, too

Posted by: Jordan | Dec 28, 2007 7:13:30 PM

Wow, Rob. Outstanding post amongst a pile of DrudgeBots. Sadly, using words just confuses them. They prefer irrational emotion pandering. The more visceral the better.

Posted by: WeNeedObama | Dec 28, 2007 7:26:54 PM

muslim? out of touch? only rudy can lead? is blogging really as tactical and divisive as party politics? what a waste we have become. whoever wins i hope they are open for compromise and common good. teamwork is sadly something america get's worse at everyday.

Posted by: robert | Dec 28, 2007 7:40:48 PM

mike--wake up and smell the coffee

Posted by: Chris | Dec 28, 2007 8:07:02 PM

Obama is an empty suit. His lack of originality, experience and ideas for America will continue to present themselves as Americans look closer. However, I can see where he would be a tolerable alternative to sHillary, for Liberal voters.

Posted by: golfrnsavh | Dec 28, 2007 8:11:03 PM

Noone else but Obama could get away with pretending that his paternal grandfather's second or third or fourth wife is his "granny" when, of course, she isn't.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 28, 2007 8:11:23 PM

Can we please have a reporter lookup this famed "grandmother living in a tiny hut in Africa"? Is Senator Obama close to her? Does she ever visit him in the US? Does he visit her in Africa?

Posted by: Rick Roberts | Dec 28, 2007 8:11:58 PM

Obama is a Christian convert from Islam. He was raised a Muslim when he was in Indonesia. His middle name Hussein is named after a Muslim warrior. Radicals may feel that his conversion sets a bad example for other Muslims. On the other hand, he could help lead to a mass conversion of Muslims around the world.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 28, 2007 8:16:07 PM

Rick, it's his grandfather's fourth wife. On Obama's father's side. You know, the African father that abandoned the family when Obama was an infant before he was sent off to be raised to adulthood with his white grandparents in Hawaii.

Obama has likely never seen her or met her or even really knows if she lives in a tiny hut or not.

Though it makes a good speechifying anecdote for the Obama people who slurp up the sugary vacant platitudes he spouts off with.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 28, 2007 8:20:29 PM

After much reading and thought, I am supporting Duncan Hunter.

Posted by: rachel | Dec 28, 2007 8:26:26 PM

"why waste the democratic spot on him?" I'll tell you why Mike: Because Obama beats every Republican running!

Did you even imagine, Mike, that there are more decent people, from every party, that are so sick and tired of reading, hearing and seeing pure juvenile vitriol like you just spewed, from all sides, that once again, as in Illinois, Obama will end up with 10-20 pts more of the vote than polled right before the election?

I hope everyone sickened by such vacuous ignorance just draws that line, hits that button, fills in that bubble on those ballots, or raises their hand in the caucuses and votes for Obama. When it's just you and your vote, the real issue won't disappear or get buried beneath the bull. You want someone who still believes in hard work, logic, [Christian, the generous type not the go-to-hell-type] faith and compassion, and doesn't owe his/her soul to military contractors, foreign PACs or 527s. That leaves only Barack Obama from Illinois.

Unless you've a share in those contractors or oil corporations, and your worthless dollars have been converted and invested offshore, don't defend them or their bought-paid-for candidates - they're destroying the American way of life. There's only one of those ethical candidates on either ballot this year, Mike, and it's Obama. No lobbyists, no PACs foreign or domestic, no 527s be they unions, labor, business, religious, pro-life, left or right. And he's already got almost half a million individual donors, most small donors - more than any candidate in history - and it's only the primaries!

Want your own President of the UNITED States? It's Obama. Want one paid-for to sell you down the river, go elsewhere. But you know what, haters, when Obama wins, there won't be any rancor or vengeance from us, we'll just go forward and fix this pathetic mess Bush and Cheney have wrought. We love this country.

Posted by: V | Dec 28, 2007 8:32:14 PM

Rob, I think you must be very young or ill-informed. Americans do NOT feel superior...colleges deep-sixed THAT mentality in the 80's. I do not know ANY thinking person who actually believes this country is "defined" by its drive to obtain material goods...I just don't. Who are you hanging around with? Idiots think that...dopes think that, but educated Americans don't, and they are the leaders, entrepreneurs, movers and shapers of policy, and the reason that immigrants still flock here in DROVES. Follow the traffic, bud.

The reason we have a dumbed down electorate is that the liberals got a hold of the schools. Just as they spent 5 trillion fixing poverty with The Great Society. Name me ONE LIBERAL POLICY since 1960 that has WORKED. OK I'm sure there's one...must be one. Let's see, we still have poverty, now we have bad schools full of athiest multicultural BS, where kids can't play dodge ball or compete with each other because it might hurt their self-esteem (liberal idea). We have so much political correctness we can no longer fight a war, even when our safety is on the line. All liberal policies. I can't think of a single conservative thing that has done the damage you are complaining about.Examine your OWN policies before you criticize your opponents, using Christian bashing as your cloak. NO ONE (not even Repubs)wants fundamentalists running the country. And we don't want empty headed liberals either. Who on earth do you really know of any consequence in your life who lives with a kitchen full of guns? You must run with some pretty strange folks. Im a conservative and I don't KNOW anyone with one...only folks who believe we have a right to own them.

This is the greatest country on earth. Flawed, yes. But let's argue the issues here, not bash America. Obama has yet to offer one idea that's not recycled leftist do-goodism. The rest is all cliches, no specifics. Please share with us what solutions you think he, or any of them, might bring to bear that would contain the threat of islamofascism, end illegal immigration, and actually contain escalating health costs.

So far not ONE candidate has...neither Dem nor Rep. THAT'S our big problem. I respectfully disagree that Obama has anything whatsover other than charisma, and elequence to offer. It's a shame, because he's really likable. But there's no there there.

Posted by: Dee | Dec 28, 2007 8:37:51 PM

I haven't heard ONE original idea from Obama. He's a lightweight, and I recognize that. But I will vote for him anyway, and hope he grows into the job. Because I just can't vote for the corrupt Hildebeast, who represents a trip back to the 60's.

Posted by: Joyce | Dec 28, 2007 8:38:27 PM

Silly people, of course he has a grandmother there, there are photos and video all over the web, get a clue.

His visit to Kenya was historic, and as usual, he called out their government for their corruption and the people's miserable conditions. He's a descendant of Kenya's largest tribe and greeted like a hero there. Think on that next time you read how Africa's resources are being scooped up, not by the U.S., but by China and Russia.

If greed's your only motive, you still need Obama - Africa is the next Middle East, in strategic resources and non-Christian faiths and diverse tribes. And news flash to the purely avaricious: without America's good reputation, you can do businesses freely absolutely nowhere. So at least clean up our image and elect Obama. Millions around the world are watching and know he's perfectly qualified and capable. Your move.

Posted by: V | Dec 28, 2007 8:40:41 PM

He's qualified, V? Really? Based on what? His minority status? Must be, because he hasn't even authored any bills! Half his term in the Senate has been spent running for President. Unless, of course, you consider an endorsement from Oprah a "qualification".

Posted by: Rachel | Dec 28, 2007 8:45:22 PM

As they say, a picture is worth a $1000 words...I can just see Hillary over there sipping tea Ms. Butooh using taxpayer's money. And now she claims its foreign policy experience...Give us a break! An established politician robbing the American people blind? Why hasn't she called foul for the $10 million dollars that Pres. Murasharah as received prior to now. Hillary Clinton is a reactive politician, not a proactive or visionary leader that America needs!

Guess what? My vote goes to the next world leader of the U.S. - Barack Hussein Obama!

Posted by: speakkup | Dec 28, 2007 8:52:33 PM

Robert - And Americans are too smart to buy the lies and half-wit conspiracy theories about Obama too.

Posted by: Eyzwidopn | Dec 28, 2007 9:07:13 PM

I don't know if he is a muslim now. I do know he was born as a muslim since his father was muslim and he went to a muslim school as a child. Since coming to America, he goes to a black separatist church. Sorry, I cannot take the chance, my country is more important to me then Obama and wifes ambitions.

Posted by: doug l | Dec 28, 2007 9:16:32 PM

I'm a Democrat for Ron Paul

Posted by: flint | Dec 28, 2007 9:17:54 PM

If this is the best we can come up with as for as presidents...we are all in trouble...not a one worth a pinch of sh.....all have their hidden agendas...but what is that agenda....the question we will only know when one of these knuckleheads is leading the pack..Michael Savage in O8

Posted by: denver | Dec 28, 2007 9:28:45 PM

you're a fool to vote for that guy. maybe you should just as well sell secrets to china or help al queda.

Posted by: joe | Dec 28, 2007 9:29:33 PM

So how is having tea with people and "traveling" considered "experience?"

Posted by: TyroneShulaces | Dec 28, 2007 9:29:55 PM

If Obama converted from Islam to Christianity - then there is hope for secular Dumb-o-crats who post here to convert.

Thank Allah, oh, I mean GOD !


Posted by: Con-Ver-Ted? | Dec 28, 2007 9:35:56 PM

Rob, you are stamped out of the same mold as a million other clones who parrot the same worn-out anti-Christian slanders. If your brains were are removed and examined I am sure the same little pre-programmed chips would be found embedded in your cortexes. Certainly you did not all come to the same exact conclusions based on personal experience and original thinking. Having said that, I will also agree that people who are "religious" without actually having had their own "Damascus Road" experience are dangerous; just like the apostle Paul was dangerous before his own conversion experience. After his conversion he was still dangerous but only to the hard-hearted, the power establishment, the traditional religious establishment, and the outright evil (yes, there are people who are evil and enjoy it). Jesus resisted attempts to make him political saying his kingdom was not of this world. He knew that the way the world will become a better place is one person/one heart at a time. Institutions can never solve the world's problems and all the hub-bub over "leaders" is a meaningless circus of distraction and delusion. Christianity has long ago become institutionalized but Jesus Christ is still the same and still has the power to change a human heart, one person at a time. If you have not been transformed by an encounter with a resurrected Christ, you are part of the problem. It doesn't matter who you vote for or who wins the latest election. What matters is who rules in your heart. Like Bob Dyan once said before his light went out, "Everybody gotta seeeerrrve somebody".

Posted by: ura dementedsol | Dec 28, 2007 9:44:44 PM

Beware of the politicians who want to adopt the 'Nanny Socialist' State. Obama, Edwards, Clinton, & Kucinich are at the top ot the list. Obama's so called new ideas harken back to the days of the Great Society of LBJ. Most of it was an utter failure that we are still paying for and dealing with today!

Posted by: thefoundingfathers | Dec 28, 2007 9:45:02 PM

Wow- I can't believe I have to share my air with you people. Please, stop breatihng.

Posted by: MRC | Dec 28, 2007 9:47:31 PM

Hillary lives in her own world--the world where being married to Bill and being his First Lady means she is, therefore, capable of being President.

This 2-for-1 deal with the Clintons is getting old. I did not ask for 2-for-1 then, nor do I ask for it now. That's just the life-long Clinton strategy that moves Hillary into a position for which she is not qualified.

Bill moves up (think Gov of Arkansas); Hillary moves up with him (think Attorney General of Arkansas). Bill moves up (think President of the US); Hillary moves up with him (think US Senate). See the pattern, women?

Consider what America got with the first Clinton co-Presidency:

• Abuse of the powers of the office of the President
• Granting Presidential pardons to buy Hillary's election to the Senate. As a woman who made it on my own, Hillary's need to ride Bill's coattails and her sense of entitlement makes me doubt her capabilities.
• Hillary's long-suffering marriage to Bill, enabling a lifetime of sexual trysts and trying to contain the Bimbo eruptions, gives me a President without the backbone to stand up to a man. Hillary claims to be tough enough to play with the boys when, in fact, she is unable to leave a cheating husband. How will she stand up to other male leaders who see this in "Mrs." Clinton and walk all over her?
• Being married to a former President does not make one qualified to be President.
Hillary has less experience in elected office than Barack. She's held elected office for one Senate term plus one year and has introduced no major legislation during that time. Is this the kind of experience we want in the Oval Office?

I am not a "Hillary hater;" I am an America lover. Please consider very carefully which candidate the Democratic Party puts on the ballot. The future of this country absolutely depends on it.

Posted by: Denise | Dec 28, 2007 9:52:36 PM

Its unbelievable to me that anyone would think that people in this country are entitled to national health care, and that this is the ONLY reason to vote for Obama, Hillary, or Edwards.

If we are going to be entitled to health care, I might as well be entitled to a home, car, education, clothes, food, and a job, all at the "government's expense."

The Democrats say that there are millions without health insurance. Let's debunk this "theory."

Out of these millions who "can't afford" health insurance:

1. How many have money for cell phones?
2. How many have money for Cable and Plasma TV? (lets not forget those X-Boxes, Playstations)
3. How many have money for cigarettes?
4. How many have money for beer?
5. How many go out to eat for dinner each night?
6. How many have new cars?
7. How many have animals that are fed before their own children?
8. How about those lottery tickets?

Besides all of these factors... let's see what is actually a PRIORITY in lives of Americans.

Just because you don't have health insurance, doesn't mean that you don't have ACCESS to health care.

It means you have to forgo those other hot commodities to pay for it yourself, like responsible people do.

Posted by: Entitled To ... | Dec 28, 2007 9:54:37 PM

we don't need him. we need Ron Paul!

Posted by: rpage | Dec 28, 2007 9:59:57 PM

V,who do you want to elect Dick Cheney? Your experience has obviously left you imbued with the idea that conservatives have done more than liberals. And please don't tell me they brought down the Berlin wall. My argument is not with America, whose unquestioned quality is evidenced by our chance to argue, but I do not advocate the ideology that predominates politics in this country today. I do find the lack of specificity disturbing, but I also do not find that different than politics in America during this century. If you do, perhaps you are old enough to understand that the disparity between the intellectual and the political is ever growing.

As for successful liberal policy, I'll throw one out there for thought; CIVIL RIGHTS. I am sure a thoughtful segregationist like yourself could find fault in diversity, but then you wouldn't have had the chance to criticize Obama. At least you can now lynch him with some righteous and paltry criticisms.

As for liberals taking over the schools, then perhaps that explains the unmatched technological prowess and artistic growth over the last fifty years and the increased influence of women and minorities, whose contributions have elevated the prowess of our universities. The continued growth of the United States as the predominate center of scientific and intellectual research in the world depends on an open-minded and accepting university system. If we are not liberal in education we are doomed to conserve the fallacies of the past. Would you like to see Mike "Quarantine" Huckabee and that reactionary right in office?

In Obama I see a hopefulness and a willingness to be bolder and more intellectual in his approach. Conservative politics have been usurped by the religious right, disdaining science and reason for a philosophy of moral certitudes and visceral reactions; a right that encourages the politics of fear and derides the evidence of reason; the evolving politics of the right that dissension against a war equates to treason, that disagreement and transparency are undemocratic, and that the truth a disdainful triviality. It was the blindness and fear mongering of the Bush government that governed the nation's sentiment and many of its representatives. I found it refreshing and encouraging that Obama had the prescience to deny the urge to follow the fodder and exploit the fears of a nation. I prefer a leader with the bravery to hold the sword for those who deserve its justice. I aspire for an America where we debate our aggression before we regret its cost. Obama offers charisma, certainly; he offers eloquence and that offers the chance to communicate a vision. He is young and he is dynamic and he is not beset by the failures of the past. He is a new beginning and a new chance, and he is something to be feared for those who prefer America as it is, a dying, suffering, shell of a country those old liberals founded way back when.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 28, 2007 10:05:08 PM

Obama has the experience to change America so we will all have to live in mud huts????? That he would do it I can believe. Someone remind him that destruction is not progress.

Posted by: Scrapiron | Dec 28, 2007 10:10:53 PM

YOU WANT OBAMA TO BE A “USURPER?” [Please, get a dictionary, and learn what words mean BEFORE making hysterical statements.]

YOU CLAIM THAT “EDUCATION is an AFTERTHOUGHT.” [Judas, priest, you have just announced that YOU AREN’T EVEN A HOME OWNER!]

EDUCATION CONSTITUTES the HIGHEST TAX any homeowner pays, AND YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW IT! Clearly, you don’t know what you are talking about (and probably live with your parents).

YOU CLAIM THAT AMERICANS HAVE MORE GUNS THAN BOOKS!!! That may be true in your house, but not in mine. We have approximately 8,000 books in our personal library; I can assure you we do not have more than 8,000 guns in our home.

NO, we are not a “laic” state. Aside from a good dictionary, you need to take a few courses in sociology, anthropology, history, and economics.

YOUR HYSTERICAL STATEMENTS ARE NOT CREDIBLE!!

Clearly too, you have NEVER studied Constitutional law. In fact, American elected officials adhere to the Constitution. Simply because you do not realize that President Bush has done more to spread democracy around the world does not mean it is not so. Your claim that he has “undermined democracy” IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM IS COMPLETE NONSENSE! If you knew anything about the Constitution you would know that the VP sends NO ONE to war. Nothing that VP Cheney has done has caused “needless and fruitless conflict.” Indeed, you are ignorant of the evil acts of totalitarian dictators; you allow them to kill millions, while you scold the purveyors of truth, democracy, and freedom.

Ad hominem attacks are not an accepted form of debate. If you had ever taken college level English you would know that. Please, stay in school; you are attempting to make credible points but your basic educational foundation is non-existent.

America is not arrogant, pretentious, or ignorant; your outlandish claims do not make it so. You praise all other civilizations; yet you are the one not dealing in reality. CAN YOU IMAGINE A MUSLIM STATE ELECTING A CHRISTIAN TO LEAD THEM? SO, WHY ARE WE “REQUIRED” TO ELECT A MUSLIM TO LEAD US??

We are not a nation of wanton materialism, and you saying so does not make it so. Neither are we now “institutionalized idiocy” nor do we have a “dumbed down electorate.” Who in the world believes that a big stick is more powerful than an agile mind? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? Do you actually know anything about other nations? What has caused you to have such a romantic notion of other nations? Do you not acknowledge the ignorance in Africa? The lack of charity in Eastern Europe? The slowdown of workers in central Europe? The backward nations of South America? The overcrowding in India? The pollution and problems of the Chinese? You are not dealing with reality!!!

To say that the USA is not part of the “real world” is arrogant beyond words. AMERICANS are extremely sympathetic; there is no place that we will not support with our tax dollars, nor with our individual charity. Americans pay taxes that SUPPORT THE WORLD. AMERICANS ARE MUCH MORE IN TUNE WITH THE WORLD, THAN THE WORLD IS IN TUNE WITH AMERICA. I would suggest that you grow up, read a book, and stay awake in class. You seem to praise the Koran but trash the Bible. WHICH BOOK HAS DONE MORE GOOD FOR THE WORLD??? Clearly, you don’t even know because you don’t know history. You do not know the history of Mohammad. Christians DO NOT believe that the Bible is the only “relevant” history book, so you are lying again.

You spout names of places of war, without knowing the REASON for the wars. In fact, Vietnam was a success, but you don’t even know why we fought in Vietnam. No one has EVER underestimated a “foe.” [Clearly, you have zero military background.] Your notion that Americans kill those who are different, merely because they are different, displays a degree of ignorance and arrogance that is impossible to address in this short space. You are very careless with words, and have no heed to the damage that can be done by inaccurate accusations. Your knowledge of history is pathetic. If you were a student of history you wouldn’t even make the ridiculous claims that you are making.

To claim that those who were on the receiving end of America’s war machine “did nothing to deserve such malevolence and violence” is a pathetic misunderstanding of war. You are simply a “bleeding-heart liberal” who has zero understanding of human nature, sociology, totalitarian dictatorship, communism, socialism, Naziism, Marxism, or the history of humans.

Your claim that we are TYRANTS and CONQUERORS is simply a lie. What have we EVER done that is tyrannical? What have we conquered?. YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW AMERICAN HISTORY, OR YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND OUR RELUCTANCE TO COLONIZE! You don’t understand many words that you use; you do not understand our history; you do not understand world events. We do more to build up former foes than most countries do for their friends. You are simply wrong, and you show no sign of trying to improve your own misunderstanding of world events.

Your hatred for America and Americans seems boundless. That is sad. Anger and hatred deepens depression, poisons potential, and destroys souls.


Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | Dec 28, 2007 10:15:09 PM

Con-ver-ted, I hope you understood the literature better in the bible than the English in my post. Never did I criticize, condemn, or hail pejoratives at the religious or Christianity. I only advertised the irony that people who are Christians are somehow inoculated against the fanaticism and its tendency to pervert the message of a religion. If you fail to see the danger of absolutism and judgment, surely you have failed to understand the teachings of Christ. I thought his tenets were of self-sacrifice, forgiveness, and understanding. Those are not the qualities of Christ I see in the right. I see a fearful Christ, an ignorant Christ, and a bellicose God, a god far from knowledge and reason.

As for who you have in your heart, may he bless your soul, but it is what is in your mind that must decide the fate of a nation. If God had only bestowed Bush and his cronies a brain. Now go beat you Bible on somebody's else's head or better yet knock that stupid chip out your chest and purchase a reading comprehension kit.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 28, 2007 10:17:32 PM

Rob, that was Dee, not me. I'm a precinct captain for Obama, no need to convince me. I hope you're phonebanking! I'm off to get my voter IDs done. Go Obama!

And Rachel, he's authored a lot more bills, and more substantial ones, and gotten them passed or incorporated into other bills, more than both the other two Dem frontrunners combined. They include one to clean up nuclear weapons laying around all over Eastern Europe with Sen. Luger and ethics reform with Republicans.

Posted by: V | Dec 28, 2007 10:17:42 PM

You know, Im impressed with none of the ilk on either side of the damn aisle.

Any of the participating in the charade of trying to appear normal are snake oil salesman.

I cannot see a Republican or a Democrat that is leadership material. That scares the hell outta me for my kids sake.

Posted by: jeff | Dec 28, 2007 10:24:20 PM

Scrapiron --- U R funny.

Posted by: Ratty | Dec 28, 2007 10:33:47 PM

Thank God for people like Rob. He is so much smarter and better informed than everybody else. Those conservatvies have no brains. I am sure he is right about that. Any intelligent person can see that every person in the right is dumb. If only we could all be more like Rob. I gotta go because I am starting my "Rob for President because he is the smartest person in the world" website. Then I am going to compose a song for him....what a blowhard pompous ######.

Posted by: jerry | Dec 28, 2007 10:34:57 PM

Come on people, how old are you? Do you just come here to spew?? At least have the bains to go out and do a little research before you start talking such crap. It really insults all the rest of us that actually know the facts. Obama is not and has never been a Muslim, he had a stepfather who was muslim in Indonesia. There he attended a public school that had muslim, jewish and christian students. His mother got him up at 4 am to do English and American studies as well. Also, he is not a Born Again Christian, he is a Christian, who has attended the same Christian church in Chicago for 15 years. His Grandmother in Africa is massively proud of him, she is the second wife of his father's father and yes he has gone and visisted her as well as she has visited him. She prefers it there. You people should try reading his books and finding stuff about the effect of the inspiration that Obama bring to the people of Kenya. I've seen it on the web, even idiots can dig for some truth.

Posted by: Jodie | Dec 28, 2007 10:37:47 PM

Dear Rob,

You are describing CONSERVATIVE VALUES in your blog - uh - comment. Conservatives don't shout down the other side during a POLITICAL DEBATE as groups of liberals have done, so while you "debate our aggression" consider how many liberals refuse to listen to facts. They don't want to be bothered with evaluating factual information and being able to actually agree on an issue. There are many times liberals refuse to even ALLOW a debate to be had, as is the case of man-made global warming. In the real world of science there are thousands of scientisits that DISAGREE with the THEORY of man-made global warming. If there is a possibility that it may be true even though ALL EVIDENCE points otherwise, we should at least investigate the mere thought of it. So take your whole debate issue and really make a decision based on FACT when dealing in a peer-reviewed profession. If you can't PROVE your theory and other scientists don't come to an overwhelming MAJORITY then you can forget trying to throw billions at it. If our politicians want to listen to a plumber about his business taxes then that's his business then fine, but don't #### away MY MONEY on some unproven theory. Democrats don't see it that way. And if they do then they are cast aside (see: Lieberman). So before you blame the "reactionary right" on your ills remember this: Strom Thurmond was a Democrat first, Zell Miller has been forgotten, Moveon.org speaks for a growing number of the left and most of it done by Hollywood money and George Soros. We only want to lynch the ACTUAL TERRORISTS instead of DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS that have been profoundly clear about our intent. Oil has nothing to do with it unless you don't understand basic world market, publically traded commodities. Get an education and come back to the table. Read the menu before you make an order. Just consult the best in the field an understand what the words "is" and "concensus" mean before you even flinch to make a point. Other than that...

Posted by: Tommy | Dec 28, 2007 10:38:03 PM

As a Republican I can live with Obama, but please show Hillery the door. No more Clintons! I despise that woman and everything she stands for.

Posted by: Billy Bob | Dec 28, 2007 10:42:37 PM

Just paid off his student loans, huh? 100 weeks of experience---and none in the area of actually running anything.
No way would I put this guy running the USA. Sure he is nice and looks good, but HELLO!!!!!!!! Anyone that thinks he is capable of being the leader of the free world is out of their mind.

Posted by: PCakes | Dec 28, 2007 10:50:07 PM

I doubt either side will want to believe me. But I am a life-long Republican. And, even though Hillary would be a far easier target to defeat in the general election, I seriously hope, for the sake of America, that Obama wins the Democratic nomination.

He IS a decent man who understands people and seems to genuinely care about them. And I went the BEST Republican and the BEST Democratic candidates to go to the general election. Not because it's good for my Republican ideals, but because it's good for America.

In the end I will definitely be voting Mitt Romney into the presidancy, but I do not want Hillary to even have a shot! What would happen if the Republican candidate were to, god forbid, fall ill 2 weeks before the election?

You have my prayers Barack!

Posted by: Browser | Dec 28, 2007 11:01:46 PM

First time I will cross party lines and vote democratic,
Hillary promises a redo. Obama promises something that no one else will... a chance to change the world for the better and bring independents and republicans like me along with him. I don't agree with him on everything. but decency and civility is what this country needs.

Posted by: Maximillian | Dec 28, 2007 11:13:33 PM

Scrapiron, I took poetic license in the use of the word usurper, as you have obviously taken poetic license with the meaning of my statement. I have lived in Europe(Spain, France), Africa (south africa), and China(Hong Kong) and all offered a differing view of what is too be valued and what is to be cherished.

As for education is an afterthought, obviously you have never left your affluent gate community and entered the inner city where schools are falling down on themselves, books are unavailable, classes are inundated with students and teachers by incessant and idiotic testing requirements. Perhaps if you had read some of those 8,000 books you would understand the metaphorical nature of statements when proposing an argument.

I said the real world extends far beyond are borders, but is not limited to them. What was difficult to understand in my statement.

As for ad hominem arguments not being acceptable in a college debate, thank god we are posting a message board, and not competing for a trophy.

Did you even read my statement or did you take the Dick and George class of information and understanding, its significance ,and the dissemination of truth?

W