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Lawmakers Demand Answers on CIA Tape Destruction
December 07, 2007 12:47 PM
ABC News' Pierre Thomas, Z. Byron Wolf, Theresa Cook, Jennifer Duck, Jonathan Karl and Ariane de Vogue Report: A Bush administration official tells ABC News that while the Justice Department has not launched a formal investigation into the CIA's decision to destroy interrogation tapes, the department does plan to do some "fact finding" to determine what happened with the recordings.
In a statement to employees on Thursday, CIA Director Michael Hayden acknowledged that investigators taped interrogation sessions with detainees in 2002, and destroyed the tapes in 2005.
Hayden said the agency had no "legal or internal reason to keep them."
But the office of Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., the current chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, confirms that the tapes were the subject of an internal CIA inquiry that led the agency's Inspector General office to draft a memo specifically addressing the tapes and their examination.
Rockefeller had requested that memo in writing in 2005, and during the same year, while he was minority vice chairman of the committee, he tried, unsuccessfully, to push for a full committee investigation of the CIA interrogation program.
As for the Justice Department, its review of facts will be done in part because of the call for an investigation by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., but also because as officers of the court, the department has obligation to ascertain the facts and see if these issues have any implication on any ongoing or recently concluded judicial proceedings, such as the Zacarias Moussaoui terrorism case.
Durbin, the Senate majority whip, took to the Senate floor late Friday, calling on Attorney General Michael Mukasey to investigate the CIA’s actions regarding the tapes.
"I was troubled to learn that Central Intelligence Agency officials destroyed videotapes of detainees being subjected to so-called 'enhanced interrogation techniques,'" Durbin wrote in a letter to the attorney general.
"I urge you to investigate whether CIA officials who destroyed these videotapes and withheld information about their existence from official proceedings violated the law."
During his statement on the Senate floor, Durbin raised the point that there could be potential obstruction of justice issues, because the destroyed tapes were not available for official proceedings, such as court hearings and the 9/11 Commission's investigation.
White House Press Secretary Dana Perino told reporters at a Friday afternoon briefing that President Bush had "no recollection of being made aware of the tapes or their destruction before yesterday," but declined to comment on what other top administration officials might have known about the tapes.
"I know that the CIA director is gathering facts and our White House counsel's office is supporting them in that. Whether or not there is going to be an investigation to that scale is will have to be determined by others," she said in reference to Durbin's request to the Justice Department.
Reiterating Bush's "complete confidence" in Hayden, Perino defended the CIA's interrogation program. Calling it "limited" and "tough," she said it has saved lives and "has led to the capture of individuals -- terrorists -- who had information that was able to lead us to others."
When pressed on why the agency would destroy the tapes if the program was aboveboard, Perino would not comment, referring reporters to Hayden's statement.
Hayden said the recordings no longer held intelligence value, as they had been detailed in written reports, and that the methods used during the taped sessions were reviewed by the government and deemed legal.
He added that the recordings were destroyed because they "posed a serious security risk. Were they ever to leak, they would permit identification of your CIA colleagues who had served in the program, exposing them and their families to retaliation from al Qaeda and its sympathizers."
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., called that a "pitiful excuse" Friday. Levin, who supported Durbin's call for a criminal investigation into the destruction of the tapes, pointed out it is already against the law to identify an undercover CIA agent.
Though Hayden insists in the statement that the process was carried out "in line with the law" and that the leaders of Congressional oversight committees "were informed of the videos years ago and of the Agency's intention to dispose of the material," members of Congress have taken issue with Hayden’s assertions.
Durbin and Levin are not the only Democrats on Capitol Hill questioning the CIA's decisions.
Rockefeller said in a statement that the while panel members "were provided with very limited information about the existence of the tapes, we were not consulted on their usage nor the decision to destroy the tapes."
He is now calling for a full review of the "history and chronology of the tapes, how they were used and the reasons for destroying them."
Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., who was the top Democrat on the House Intel Committee when she received a classified briefing on CIA interrogation practices in 2003, said, "The briefing raised a number of serious concerns and led me to send a letter to the General Counsel."
"Both the briefing and my letter are classified so I cannot reveal specifics, but I did caution against destruction of any videotapes," her statement continued.
Representatives Silvestre Reyes of Texas and Michigan’s Pete Hoekstra -- respectively the top Democrat and top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee -- have written an extraordinarily tough letter to Hayden.
They say his statement on when and how Congress was informed about the tapes destruction "simply is not true."
They also demand that Hayden "refrain from destroying any further records, documents, or other information related to detainees and interrogations."
December 7, 2007 in Romney, Mitt | Permalink | User Comments (72)
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Yeah, right? The CIA will disavow any knowledge of anything it does. It's not Radio Shack, when the People and Congress have questions, the CIA does not have, or won't give, answers.
Posted by: Michael Chlanda | Dec 7, 2007 1:14:42 PM
lol. like the senate has any power. bunch of losers.
Posted by: MarinesCallmedoc5 | Dec 7, 2007 1:31:29 PM
the new gestapoes, remember they liked to tape their killings also, it is only a matter of time, till the jack boots are walking on our rights here, this administration treats the american citizens like worms,
Posted by: 43beenthere43 | Dec 7, 2007 1:47:13 PM
U.S. President George W. Bush has no recollection of being told about CIA interrogation tapes and their destruction before he was briefed by the CIA director on Thursday, the White House said.
"I asked the president about whether he knew about the tapes and their existence or their destruction, he said he had no recollection of that. He did not remember being made aware of those prior to yesterday morning," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said on Friday.
*** Good on ya Bush - deny everything to the last that might show the world what an idiot you truly are!
Posted by: America - A Nation Of Sheep | Dec 7, 2007 1:53:21 PM
How dare the Senate demand answers from the Firm.Look at CIA website.It's full of hypocritical mush and sentimentality.They condiser themselves a community and a family.So does the Manson family.I have a great deal more respect for the Gambinos than I do for them.The Gambinos make very little pretense about what they are.I wonder what else the Firm might be hiding about their black operations within US borders.All you have to do is slap people with National Security Letters and the Bush and Clinton clans can invoke their Emergency Powers Act(see White House website for 11/9/2007) and you have your own internal Gulag with ghost prisoners.You would not believe what is going on inside your own borders.
Posted by: Luis Rodriguez | Dec 7, 2007 1:54:14 PM
Reminds you of the Nazi regime hurriedly burying evidence of their attrocities.
The Bush adninistration is pulling on all the stops to conceal their crimes.
As usual congress is impotent.
George Bush does not recall being told about the interrogation tapes. When will a person in authority, who should know, be held accountable for 'not recalling?'
Posted by: wavecurve | Dec 7, 2007 2:05:17 PM
This administration will be "ruining" the country for nearly another year. Can citizens wait that long?
Posted by: NW | Dec 7, 2007 2:14:15 PM
I blame the Republicans for Congressional impotency. They are the majority, but until we have 60 Dems (or 60 senators who will stand up to the Administration), the Administration rules. Sad situation.
Posted by: Marilyn | Dec 7, 2007 2:16:37 PM
The interrogation tapes posed a "security risk" because they might be leaked, so the CIA destoyed them? That is the lamest excuse ever. Isn't the CIA full of sensitive data, including information on their operatives, that wold also pose a security risk if leaked? Why destroy these tapes but nothing else?
Posted by: D | Dec 7, 2007 2:36:56 PM
They waterboard these guys to give false confessions about 911. I say false becacuse our government blew those buildings up. Now that they have found that waterboarded confessions are not tolerated they destroyed them.
What happened to WTC building #7 and why does everyone look surprised to find out that three buldings fell on 911 and not two?
Posted by: JD | Dec 7, 2007 2:40:23 PM
This is what happened. Right after 911 they knew the American people wanted revenge so they waterboarded false confessions out of so-called terrorists to use as proof but change that stance and went with the Bin Laden video as proof. Since the false confessions are no longer needed they destroyed the videos. That simple.
Posted by: JD | Dec 7, 2007 2:45:19 PM
Aggressive interrogative practices do not sit well with our high ethical and moral standards, yet presented with the worst situation imaginable, most of us would commit to it without hesitation. To deny that we would, is just a lie we tell ourselves so we still feel civilized. Thankfully, most of us will never find ourselves in such a dilemma.
We are in a battle with an enemy that seeks nothing less than our extinction, and is willing to sacrifice everything, including their own lives and those of their loved ones to bring that desire to ruition. Yes, we must have laws and order as a civilized society, but we are not engaged in battle with a foe whom fights by our standards or rules of engagement. Killing another human is considered a moral sin, yet we justify it when defending our own lives, and even simple possessions.
None of the detainees have been murdered, or beheaded as our hostages have been in the homeland of the enemy. None of our detainees are made to renounce their country, their government, their families, or their god in front of an internet audience to intimidate our enemies. They keep all their fingers, toes, and other body parts attached. We don't find out where our detainees live and capture their families and kill them one by one in front of them until they confess.
It is naive for us to think we will not "lower" ourselves to aggressive interrogation practices. We have proven time and again that when the situation "warrants" it, we will get answers by whatever means are necessary. Do I think that is right? No, but is it right for a lamb to die so I can have my lamb chops? Who knows. I am glad I do not have to do it, and I do not stand in judgment of the farmer who does. It is also ignorant for people to compare what we do in our quest for information that may save us all, to the tactics of our enemy. To them, we are the lambs. Our bleating will not make them turn and go away. "We cannot fight them the way we are."
Posted by: EmbracetheDarkness | Dec 7, 2007 2:47:58 PM
A lot of the 'evidence' that 9/11 was perpetrated by Bin Laden was in the form of 'confessions' by two or three key prisoners. There was some doubt as to the veracity of the confessions due to severe duress placed during the torture. Now we come to find there's not even a record of the confessions? This throws the government's 9/11 theory into question even further.
Posted by: Eric | Dec 7, 2007 2:54:42 PM
U.S. Senate: While your at it, ask why the woman that came here and set-up a fake marriage with an American was allowed to participate??? For whatever reason, that story was quickly ignored by the media.....
Posted by: Joe | Dec 7, 2007 3:01:00 PM
Some neo-con on here said, "We are in a battle with an enemy that seeks nothing less than our extinction".
The only enemy I see in the room are people like you who continue to perpetrate the myth of 'good' us vs. 'evil' them, with war being the only solution. You neo-conservative fools got us into the mess in Iraq, and ALMOST got us into another mess with Iran. Thank God 'good' forces within our own government stopped you neo-cons dead in your tracks trying to lie your way into yet another conflict. The days of endless war and endless profits for your defense contractor cronies are over. Did anyone notice that as soon as the private security firm scandal hit and was exposed that suddenly the violence level in Iraq decreased? Strange coincidence, huh...
Posted by: Eric | Dec 7, 2007 3:01:04 PM
It feels like the 9/11 dam is about to break. Gird yourself, America. Can you handle the truth?
Posted by: Bill | Dec 7, 2007 3:04:34 PM
Predictably, such an article brings out every KOOK to express his/her idiotic opinions about the matter of protecting America from foreign attacks. It is significant that this article is published on Pearl Harbor Day (KOOKs, FYI it was the day the Japanese attacked the American Naval Base at Pearl Harbor. The Dems in Washington had watched the Japanese overrun a good part of China and did nothing - as the Liberal KOOKs want us to do now. Dumb-Dumbs, I was in that was and I do not wish to be in another, so shut up and hope those brave men who are fighting to save your collective and worthless A%#es are successful. I don't recall any liberal at any time, anywhere, ever criticizing the Japanese for the Bataan Death March, about which none of you KOOKs probably have ever heard. That was real torture, not petty stuff like our forces do to enemy combatants today to obtain valuable information to protect America.
Posted by: TheOldTrooper | Dec 7, 2007 3:09:29 PM
The Bush "SLIMEBALL" SS Administration and
all of congress, both democrats and
republicans make me want to puke!!!!!!
Posted by: Marie | Dec 7, 2007 3:12:12 PM
Water board Bush until he can remember...He is now taking a page out of the Gonzales play book.."I don't know"??? The worlds biggest liar..407 more days of this piece of garbage.
Posted by: Joe MUrphy | Dec 7, 2007 3:17:10 PM
Who would Jesus waterboard? Torture? The America we used to know has been lost to evil warmongering Neocon maniacs. Supporting Neocons is like supporting Satan.Neocons are traitors to the true American way.
Posted by: AJ | Dec 7, 2007 3:21:15 PM
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