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Clinton Attacks Obama on Health Plan
January 12, 2008 6:12 PM
ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: Sen. Hillary Clinton, for the first time, directly accused Sen. Barack Obama of leaving millions of people out of his health care plan because of politics.
Clinton, speaking in Reno, Nev., told a crowd at a Mexican restaurant: “Sen. Obama leaves 15 million people out and you can't tell me that was not done for political reasons.”
Obama has taken issue with Clinton's claims that his plan leaves people out. Obama has argued people should not be forced to buy health care if they can’t afford it.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton shot back at Clinton over today's remarks.
“What’s political is the misleading attack Hillary Clinton continues to make on Barack Obama’s health care plan, even though she knows full well that every single American who wants health care could get it under Sen. Obama’s plan," he said. "The real difference here is that Barack Obama doesn't start by having the government force people to buy health insurance if they can't afford it, and that’s why his plan does more to bring down the cost of health care than any other plan in this race. As Bill Clinton’s former labor secretary has said, Barack Obama’s plan would actually cover more Americans faster than Hillary Clinton’s would."
Clinton later took the debate even further.
“We know that several of his advisors, when asked why he didn’t cover everybody, said it was politically controversial, said that it was politically ambitious," Clinton told reporters. "And yes it is.”
January 12, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (39)
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Sen Clinton's Health care plan coverage includes adults and children. This is one of the areas where they differ. And there are simply NOT very many areas of their platforms that Sen Clinton & Sen Obama differ. Personality is the biggest difference.
Posted by: Denise in Illinois | Jan 12, 2008 6:31:44 PM
Clinton's plan asks that everyone chip into the system, it is about personal responsibility. Everyone should pay into the system, similar to social security and medicare taxes. So much for together and yes we can. It seems like the working class on up will pay for everyones healthcare, once again squeezing us until we are poor too. Asking everyone to pay is not a big deal, it comes out to less than @30 dollars amount, it might be $350 a year for everyone, maybe more, but it will certainly be less than what it costs now if you don't have health insurance.
So much for change. Obama sounds like the same old same old democrat in washington, take from the people who work and give to those that don't work.
Not having it. Vote Hillary.
Posted by: Brian | Jan 12, 2008 7:15:04 PM
Hillary, How's your health plan going, You had 16 years to do something.
Posted by: Patriot2008 | Jan 12, 2008 7:23:24 PM
"Sen. Hillary Clinton, for the first time, directly accused Sen. Barack Obama of leaving millions of people out of his health care plan because of politics."
Hillary hadn't attacked him over it, because she knew what she was doing. I respect Hillary in that. Obama truly has left millions out of his healthcare plan for a stupid argument: "The real difference here is that Barack Obama doesn't start by having the government force people to buy health insurance if they can't afford it, and that’s why his plan does more to bring down the cost of health care than any other plan in this race."
What a narrow, insular perspective; a smug remark. And he also isn't making everyone get it. Everyone knows that there are many people out there who are so bogged down with important responsibilities, they won't get it while they can. Has Obama thought of all this? He certainly hasn't shown that he has.
Obama deserves the criticism.
Posted by: PC | Jan 12, 2008 7:32:37 PM
Two points -
First, Hillary has tried to take issue with Obama's health care plan multiple times; however, she fails to acknowledge the issues caused by a purely universal health care plan. Just look at our neighbor to the north, Canada, and you can see that both the quality and quantity of physicians suffer under this particular form of health care. Simply saying everyone *has* to have health care does not resolve the key issues.
Second, as Obama has said, his plan does not "leave people out". Clinton is distorting Obama's plan much like how pro-life advocates say those who are pro-choice are baby killers. The two are simply not one in the same. Obama seeks to make health care affordable by encouraging economic competition while not "forcing" people to get it or suffer some sort of penalty.
Posted by: Ross | Jan 12, 2008 8:13:54 PM
Obama seems to win that argument handily whenever he gets a rebuttal. I don't see how this works for Hillary unless she's hoping people don't hear that rebuttal.
Posted by: Mike | Jan 12, 2008 8:21:26 PM
@denise
obamas plan also includes children via mandate since they have no choice. with obamas healthplan everyone can afford healthcare withoul penalizing people.
Posted by: aa | Jan 12, 2008 8:24:07 PM
HEY ROSS
"forcing" and paying penalties???? I am being forced to take care of my family because I go to work every day, and because I believe it is my responsibility. People don't by Health Insurance, not becuase they can't afford, because they don't want to pay for it. Put anything on the ballot, like asking for higher taxes or building new roads, people would vote it down. Forcing people to pay in certain instances when costs and uninsured are sprialing out of control, makes complete sense to me and the rest of the people voting in the primaries. Also you make sound as though the poor are going to have to pay, whihch is untrue, the poor are covered through social security and medicare, and it state's, which all 50 do, support the poor through other healthcare plans. g
Posted by: Brian | Jan 12, 2008 8:27:26 PM
@aa
Obama's plan is weak on the coverage for adults. Of course his coverage includes children.. would not be much of plan without the kiddies. But the adult coverage is lacking. Obama is in tight with the BIG insurance companies so he has to present a plan that they can live with.
Posted by: Denise in Illinois | Jan 12, 2008 8:32:33 PM
Whatever Obama isn't, he sure is a politician. I wonder what Spanish phrase he is coming come up with for "his" health plan. Don't get me wrong, I do want Obama to be President- in 2016. Hillary is right on track.
Posted by: Casey | Jan 12, 2008 8:32:50 PM
"The real difference here is that Barack Obama doesn't start by having the government force people to buy health insurance if they can't afford it, and that’s why his plan does more to bring down the cost of health care than any other plan in this race. As Bill Clinton’s former labor secretary has said, Barack Obama’s plan would actually cover more Americans faster than Hillary Clinton’s would."
Apparently Hillary's supporters have as hard a time with the truth as she does. That's ok. The rest of us do not.
Posted by: Terri | Jan 12, 2008 8:46:30 PM
Actually, Obama supported a single payer health care plan in 2003..
"And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see."
and in a interview with meet the press he suggested imposing a penalty on those who avoided purchasing health care.
"one way of avoiding them waiting till they get sick is to charge a penalty if they try to sign up later so that they have an incentive to sign up immediately"
Posted by: Ralph | Jan 12, 2008 8:52:25 PM
Does anyone elsde see the humor in using the word "truth" when discussing politics?
@Terri
Seems that Obama supporters have that same arrogance that got him in trouble in NH.
When the primary is over ... Dems are going to have to repair the implode that has been created...or McCain will be the next president.
Posted by: Denise in Illinois | Jan 12, 2008 9:00:12 PM
Mandates are a concession to the insurance industry, and somehow Clinton claims this is politically ambitious of her!? Obama's position is courageous precisely because it is less of a compromise to special interests. Ask someone who makes minimum wage if they want to be forced to buy health insurance they cannot afford. Then ask the CEO of a health insurance company if they want poor people to be forced to join their plan. I am sure you can predict which one favors Clinton's position and which one rejects it.
Posted by: Pedro | Jan 12, 2008 9:06:30 PM
Politic of personal destruction, HRC is so personal, lovely that she cannot come forth the american people that her VOTE FOR THE IRAK WAR WAS A MISTAKE. But when she was loosing in NH, she cried like a baby. She better untersdand that the parent of those soldiers cry everytime as well.
I am going to college in Utah and they want to force us to pay for insurance even though i cannot even afford my tuition.
So if i dont pay, they charged me for that? What a joke. How does HRC will force people to pay for health care?
Posted by: @@@ | Jan 12, 2008 9:10:23 PM
No Matter what the Health care plan is, HRC is not the person who can deliver it. She was in the white house for 8 years plus 7 years in the senate why dont we have universal health care?
Because HRC is not competent and is not good at bringing people together for a common cause. She is divisive and close minded. She things she knows it all and hence will always fail.
She turn up the heat on republican who by the way are american and now she wants to deal with them? Sorry?
Obama is the only atypic politician who can deliver on all those issue.
Obama is smart, visionary, flexible thinker and closer to people than clinton who thinks that people should shut up and just accept whatever she has to say.
Posted by: @@@ | Jan 12, 2008 9:15:20 PM
Hillary Clinton's health care plan will be too costly and unwieldly. Obama's plan is a sensible balance and will improve the overall provision of care across all strata of society.
Posted by: William | Jan 12, 2008 9:50:12 PM
First of all, we have to remember that we're all arguing about which health care plan is better. This is a good problem to have, and we have to remember to stay united on the fact that a universal health care plan, mandated or not, is better than paying money to private insurance companies for less than ideal coverage.
Barack's plan is clearly the way to go. Republicans and big lobbyist groups will try to fight universal health care by saying it takes away our freedom of choice. Barack's plan silences that claim. Competition between government and private insurance is paramount to the success of a universal plan and this is impossible with mandated health care as proposed by Hillary.
Posted by: Justin | Jan 12, 2008 10:40:55 PM
"Forcing people to pay in certain instances when costs and uninsured are sprialing out of control, makes complete sense to me and the rest of the people voting in the primaries."
What I find interesting about this statement of yours is that you believe that health care needs to be enforced by the government when prices are spiraling out of control, as you admit. The two points you make here make little sense together. You believe that people should be forced to pay for plans that you yourself admit to being too costly. How can we expect to force people to purchase something that has far too high a cost.
Furthermore, I am not sure what you are getting at when you mention the whole voting against higher taxes thing, but I am fairly certain people *want* health care plans. After all, many people are left without the means to having their medical problems addressed if they do not have a health care plan. Can you honestly tell me why anyone would not want to be covered? That is what Obama's point is in his plan. People want health care, but they simply cannot afford it; thus, that is the problem we should be looking to solve.
Finally, you bring up Medicare and Social Security when discussing how "the poor" would be paying for their plans, but you completely miss the fact that both Medicare and Social Security are failing - they are a huge part of the health care problem facing the 21st century. When I said Hillary does not resolve the "key issues", I was referring to issues such as these. She wishes to force people to purchase something they cannot afford now, and if they do not buy it they are penalized. Furthermore, she has no means of answering the Medicare/SS issues in this particular plan. Obama's plan looks to lessen the financial burden for everyone, thus lessening the dependency upon both the SS and Medicare programs.
Posted by: Ross | Jan 12, 2008 11:29:49 PM
More Baloney from the Clinton Loyalists!
Barack Obama's plan preserves our
"Freedom of Choice"!
Hillary Clintons plan takes it away!
Could Big Brother be far behind?
Obama's plan is the more Democratic plan!
Hillary Clinton's is the Socialist-Communist plan!
Posted by: reaganfan | Jan 13, 2008 12:32:53 AM
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