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January 06, 2008 1:30 PM

ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf Reports from Milford, New Hampshire: It can be electric to see Ron Paul speak to reporters. Infused by a whooping crowd, the grandfatherly Texas Congressman becomes energetic and dynamic as a speaker.

But Ron Paul was not speaking to supporters at a brunch Sunday morning sponsored by the New Hampshire GOP. He was speaking to Republicans. And the audience of several hundred did not seem moved by Paul's entreaty to disengage militarily from the rest of the world.

Several supporters applauded and cheered when Paul pointed out that the Republican Party has strayed from its roots of non-interventionism, pointing to the platform President Bush ran on in 2000.

But the majority of the room showed no emotion when Paul said, "We were critical of the Clinton foreign policy," Paul said. "What happened to us?" he asked of his fellow Republicans.

Paul argued, as he always does, that instead of invading countries, he wants to trade with them and have open dialogue. The room stayed primarily flat.

There was a tangible shift in the mood when Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who was at the brunch to speak on behalf of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

Graham used Paul as a foil for McCain, who won the Republican nomination here in 2000 before ultimately losing to Bush.

"I don't think it's arrogant to want to fight people who would kill every one of us if they had the chance," Graham said.

"You’re not gonna trade with al Qaeda," he said. "They don’t have anything you want, unless you’re in the market for a burkha."

McCain had flagged earlier in the campaign as the Presidential candidate most vocally supportive of President Bush’s strategy to "surge" more troops into Iraq last winter.

But with the security situation in Iraq improved with all those additional troops, McCain’s popularity is again on he upswing.

"Anybody brave enough to fight for the war in spite of the polls needs to be our next president," Graham thundered.

The room of local Republican politicians and leaders erupted.

For Paul, this is the conundrum of his campaign. He has gained a campaign war chest from online donations and has an army of young, dedicated, independent-minded volunteers.

They have plastered New Hampshire with "Ron Paul 2008" signs and seem omnipresent to reporters.

New Hampshire is supposed to be Paul’s strongest state. After a disappointing finish in Iowa caucus this week, Paul found solace in the fact that he had done well among what he called "independent-minded" Republicans. And in this state, where the motto is "Live Free or Die," his message, he hopes, will find traction.

But certain key issues, particularly on the war in Iraq, put him at such a distance from the rest of the field that one wonders what will happen next Tuesday, when in the anonymity of the voting booth, New Hampshire voters choose their candidate.

And McCain, for standing stubbornly in favor of the war when things at their worst in Iraq, can still lay claim to his own, if very different, mantle of independence now that things in Iraq are only bad.

The danger for Paul is that the independent-minded Republicans of New Hampshire will see Paul’s pledge to bring the troops home not as independence but as ignorance.

January 6, 2008 in Hunter, Duncan | Permalink | User Comments (19)

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It is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that you are AGAINST Ron Paul.
Thank you for your EXTREMELY BIASED OPINION!

"Ladies and Gentlemen, meet the next President of the United States of America, Dr. Ron Paul!"
(to 30 minutes of deafening applause)

Posted by: Paul Supporter #1 | Jan 6, 2008 1:51:03 PM

Although I do believe the writer has a bit of bias for McCain, it is also true that there are many who are so indoctrinated that they DO BELIEVE that the war is neccessary. They don't realize that lies got us into it. Therefore they will see ending it, as quickly as safely possible, as ingnorance. That's a fact. They need, instead, to be educated with the truth as Dr. Paul is attempting. Will they be smart enough to actually do the research? We'll see soon enough.

Posted by: Elizabeth | Jan 6, 2008 2:01:21 PM

Uh, news flash - More American troops died in Iraq in 2007 than any previous year.

And I haven't seen any lions laying down with the lambs in Iraq either. Sure the numbers of U.S. casualties are down but there are a lot of factors for this. One reason is that the Shiite militias have taken over in the South of Iraq and the Sunni's in the North decided it was in their interest to kill and/or drive out the foreign fighters. And for the most part the Sunnis and Shiites have cleansed their neighborhoods of each other and we have gotten smarter with tactics and avoiding trouble. But there are still 500+ civilians and Iraqi soldiers being killed every month. Not much news for joyful celebrations.

Look, Ron Paul is the only one who realizes we can't continue to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on this Iraqi occupation indefinitely or keep troops in Iraq for "100 years" like John McCain said he is not opposed to.

We can keep America very safe by bringing the troops home and having them based here in the U.S.A. We don't need to outsource all our military bases to the benefit of other countries. Let's keep them home where they benefit and protect us. If we do that there won't be as much antagonism at us around the world.

Posted by: Red | Jan 6, 2008 2:05:44 PM

Is it any wonder that Ron Paul does not receive support from mainstream Republicans? They are dedicated to the failed Iraq war and failed foreign policy even when the vast majority of Americans want change. Ron Paul’s support comes from independent voters who do not come to mainstream Republican gatherings. Ron Paul’s support comes from independent voters who would probably never vote for a Republican if he were not on that ticket. Ron Paul’s support comes from independent voters who know that more of the same means well…more of the same. In case you did not get my point, Ron Paul’s support comes from independent voters not establishment Republicans.

Posted by: TS | Jan 6, 2008 2:08:58 PM

Lindsey Graham would also have us believe that his constituents in South Carolina support his amnesty plan. Is that why he was booed and heckled at the state GOP convention in South Carolina?

Posted by: Althusius | Jan 6, 2008 2:14:33 PM

Considering that the media by and large promote sensational stories that include war and imbue fear, it is no surprise that many people are shaken into quiet thought when they hear Dr. Ron Paul's perspective. This however does not necessarily mean that they do not think about it afterward. Perhaps it is not only Dr. Paul who is underated by the media could it be that the media also underates the intellignece of their viewers. I for one could not believe what I was hearing the first time I heard Dr. Ron Paul's views and now I am an informed loyal supporter.

Posted by: LA | Jan 6, 2008 2:41:49 PM

Preemptive War is insanity.

Should we go around killing people here in America because they _might_ shoot someone?

That's the stuff of science fiction.

Posted by: joe | Jan 6, 2008 2:44:21 PM

I think Paul Supporter #1 is a little unfair. Z. Byron has been blogging a lot on the Ron Paul campaign. He doesn't have all the facts right all the time, but he's trying.

Unfortunately there are a lot of Republican party hacks, who go to these events, that aren't so in tune with the reality that most Americans feel. These were the same people in Iowa, who in entrance polls said the #1 GOP issue was Immigration. Immigration the #1 issue in Iowa? What illegal cows infiltrating their corn fields from Wisconsin?

But seriously, if people really thought about it carefully, they would see that the economy (housing, currency values, inflation - oil prices, long-term prosperity) are the real issues facing us. I can't blame them if they haven't realized it, because the media is busy following Brittney Spears and other tabloid news rather than the real issues of the day. At least ABC brought up some of these real issues in the debate.

These people don't understand the great decline that has occured in American in the last 6 years. The dollar has lost 50% of value against the Euro. What does this mean? It means every dollar asset you own is worth 50% less. Our standard of living is declining.

The UK now has a higher standard of living than we do. Something that hasn't happened in more than 100 years.

As Ron Paul pointed out in the debate, our oil/gasoline costs have increased 350%, while in Europe only 200%. All this is directly related to the weakness of our currency.

The only person that is talking about our economic problems is the only one who has the answers. Who is that? Ron Paul.

Posted by: Red | Jan 6, 2008 2:48:16 PM

The ignorance is that the American People have been told that we have to be involved in the running of other countries, Republicans have a generation of baby boomers and to a large part their children convinced that it is ok. It is not ok, in fact it is wrong and immoral. People need to rediscover what the role of government really is, instead of having them be told what it is by groups who just want to stay in power and attack and demean those who speak the truth and those who speak for what is actually right, not just this common morality that the majority of Republicans in office hold to.

Posted by: Jesi | Jan 6, 2008 2:50:14 PM

We should probably define what a Republican means nowadays. Although I haven't been in the party for very long, I recognize there's a huge difference between "republicans" of the present, and Republicans of the past. Ones that have a mirror facade of fiscal, social, and conservative values, but in fact betraying their party by adding to the government's size, responsibility, and influence.

What ever happened to the ideal of a Just War too?

Posted by: Mike P. | Jan 6, 2008 2:53:25 PM

Is THIS what you call journalism, ABC? This is so blatantly slanted that I'm wondering if it is a joke....

Posted by: Erin W. | Jan 6, 2008 3:42:23 PM

Im not sure about you reporters.... How can you write in your article that people will think bringing the troops home is ignorance? Have you seen your own research and polls on this matter... People dont want to police the world... What would happen if we became occupied and policed by another country? Not a good vision is it? Then why do we think its ok to occupy other countries? Bring the troops home, I am with the other 89% that will tell you this, and the 73% of the troops that agree, Its funny how McCain says the troops say let us win.. What are the troops going to win? An Illegal war, killing all who dont agree with the US is not winning. I remember being young and not many russians liked Americans and the same feelings where put toward Russia by us... WHat if they would of decided they needed to win? Would killing us all who disagreed with they're agenda be an acceptable way of winning? You Mr. Reporter are very non-American. Americans believe in Peace, human rights, freedom, and feel the rest of the world should be free to live however it is they choose, its not our busines really..... If you feel differently maybe you my friend can relate to Hitler, he also thought changing the world to better fit his big picture was a good idea.... Mccain, Bush, Hitler, not sure Im seeing much of a different Agenda here, and Trust me I know McCains ethics very well, I have known him personally and as an AZ native I can tell you he puts his own views before that of the people. I want a government of the people like I was taught in History Class, not a government of one persons ideas on how the whole world should be. So no Mccain for me, Im voting Ron Paul....

Posted by: Justin | Jan 6, 2008 3:50:44 PM

RON PAUL is the best and authentic candidate. John (bomb, bomb, bomb Iran)
is a warpig and Bush's dog. John sold his soul to Bush. That is why I lost all respect for John McWar. If McCain is so
great, why is his Arizona constituents trying to kick him out (recalling him). They say McWar SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Course, that isn't going to make
the news, but it's all over the internet. McCain is also PRO-AMNESTY. MC CAIN needs to go retire before he embarrasses himself any further. On C-span this morning, calls were coming
in how McCain was nasty to people when
they asked him about the McCain-Feingold. The people are not going to fall
for his lies.....GO RON PAUL

Posted by: ty | Jan 6, 2008 3:59:11 PM

I support Ron Paul despite being in complete agreement with McCain on the war.

But my main issue is not the war.

McCain has sponsored criminal legislation like IMBRA and other Internet regulation initiatives in his job as US Senator.

Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo were the only ones in Congress who have stood up to McCain's disregard for the Constitution.

Therefore, I am shocked that Ron Paul has allowed McCain to frame the issue in the NH primary to be the war on terror.

Posted by: Jim Peterson | Jan 6, 2008 4:33:04 PM

It was telling in the debates how far the NEOCON party- not the Republican party has surfaced. To see Thompson, McCain, Romney, and Guliani snicker and make faces when Dr. Ron Paul was giving one of the best history and economic lessons on television was sickening. The amount of fear mongering that is going on is truly a testiment to facism. Are great military men and women deserve so much better than this. The collective strength in this country is very strong. Remember the days following 911? We as Americans are resilent. We can defend this nation with one arm tied behind our back. The fact is if we're not fighting wars the militiary industrial complex would not be sucking in trillions of dollars. Unessary war means we are morally bankrupt no matter how they spin it. Education is the key. "Be the change you want to see in the world" - M. Ghandi

Posted by: Buck | Jan 6, 2008 8:24:34 PM

This is the reason I don't watch TV anymore. It is not fair and honest reporting. You are all owned, bought and paid for. The whole world is awakening to all the lies and propaganda. We can't be stopped. We do not rely on the evening news. We rely on our hunger for the truth and the truth is spreading. The world is entering a new era and if you want to join in this wonderful time....WAKEUP AND START TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!!

Posted by: MLB | Jan 6, 2008 8:46:38 PM

Wow, talk about biased journalism! I think I'll use this article as an example for my English students. Dr. Paul's message is a threat to the status quo and any attempt to discredit him is being undertaken by our so-called, "fair and balanced" media. The truth is, Dr. Paul's message is being heard despite this negative coverage and anyone with a mind can see through the phoney presence of candidates like Romney and Guiliani.

Posted by: Alvin Sarracino | Jan 6, 2008 10:15:36 PM

"'Anybody brave enough to fight for the war in spite of the polls needs to be our next president,' Graham thundered."

Who the heck thinks this sort of thinking is a GOOD thing? Yes, that's exactly what we need. A president who will do whatever he wants despite what most Americans want? Give me a break!

Posted by: Teresa | Jan 7, 2008 4:08:46 AM

This is the propaganda reporting that needs to be stopped! No wonder this country is in such turmoil when people are actually ignorant enough to get excited over McCain's words? Can't trade with AlQaeda? Duh! If our troops were home...we'd save our soldiers lives, save our money, and be able to defend our land from within our own borders. We would trade with the country, not one select group of extremists. It's rather sad that an entire room full of people were not smart enought to figure that out on their own. News stations, reporters, and other candidates do not give Ron Paul the credit or respect he deserves, and why...because he is the only person brave enough to call it like it is. He speaks the truth, and that scares the **** out of people. Wake up!

Posted by: Keryn | Jan 7, 2008 9:47:34 AM

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