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Obama Backer Sees Clinton Win as 'Fatal'
January 13, 2008 12:26 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: On a Sunday conference call announcing her support for Barack Obama, Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill spoke about the way in which Obama warned the freshmen senators elected in 2006 to be weary of more senior senators who would pretend to support ethics reform without really wanting to see it succeed.
It was an interesting glimpse into Obama, D-Ill., as a legislator.
What McCaskill didn't discuss on the conference call was her political assessment of what it would mean to have Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. as the Democratic Party's standard-bearer.
Back in May of 2006, the New Yorker's Jeffrey Goldberg reported that before she was even elected to the Senate, McCaskill had told people in Missouri and in Washington that a 2008 ticket led by Clinton would be "fatal" for many Democrats on the ballot.
According to the New Yorker's account, it was fear that a Clinton candidacy would "rule out her chance to win the governorship" which helped prod McCaskill to try for the Senate in 2006 rather than making a second run for the governorship in 2008. She unsuccessfully ran for governor in 2004.
"The Democratic Party has to look at candidates who can be competitive in all fifty states," McCaskill told The New Yorker in 2006. A few days later, at the annual Jackson Day dinner of the Greene County Democrats, in Springfield, Republican protesters held signs labeling her "New York's third senator."
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This explain how some calculated politicians pick to whom to endorse and make their moves, they just look for their own political interest. McCaskill got elected by one of the lowest margins in her State, so she is jut playing the oportunistic move in order to get reelected. Just like Obama did in the Illinois Senate and has done so far. I wouldn't surprise me if Gore is backing Obama to bask in the elite and under 25 vote. Go figures!
Posted by: Peter | Jan 13, 2008 12:41:47 PM
McCaskill is 100% right and I think that's why you see so many red state Democrats endorsing Obama. They know that he's our best chance (other than Edwards) of not only winning the White House, but winning down-ticket across the country.
Posted by: Tom | Jan 13, 2008 12:52:06 PM
Well, now, which Hillary Clinton are we talking about? The old Hillary Clinton, that behaved as if the Presidency was hers by divine right, or the new Hillary Clinton who has decided to actually answer questions and shake people's hands?
I agree with Tom. As a Democrat in a Republican county, I know that Hillary is poison for Democrats trying to expand the base.
She has one great political asset: as First Lady she didn't divorce the husband who betrayed her, disgraced the Presidency, and lied to the American people. That's what she calls "experience".
Posted by: Ward | Jan 13, 2008 1:10:33 PM
I have spent most of my life living in red states and I know for dead certain that Hillary would indeed be fatal for our efforts to build a larger majority in this country. The original intent of the Clintons while still young newlyweds was to "revolutionize the Democratic party". I wish that spirit of doing what's best for the party were still with them. It's not. They both have to know that she is the exact wrong person to build on the successes in 06 this year. They just don't care, they want her to win no matter what the cost to party or country. It's sad to see people so convinced that power is more important that principle.
Posted by: Steve | Jan 13, 2008 2:33:38 PM
The Clintons are dividers. Obama is a uniter, pure and simple. He's something people can vote FOR and not against. And the end result trickles down the party as well, for all the party canidates.
Posted by: rw3 | Jan 13, 2008 2:41:55 PM
Should Hillary gain the nomination, the question on the November ballots will not be "Hillary: Yes or No?" The question will be "the Democrat or the Republican? The polls are already showing that both Hillary and Obama are favored over each Republican candidate.
The New Hampshire results show that people are getting fed up with mindless, unsubstantiated attacks on Sen Clinton. Do you really think American voters will select Huckabee over Hillary? Or Giuliani? Or McCain (Lets keep US troops in Iraq)? Or Thompson? Or Paul?
McCaskill won by a sliver of the votes cast in her Senate election. Her position is precarious. If she thinks she needs to distance herself from Hillary to solidify her position in Missouri, she has.
Posted by: richard | Jan 13, 2008 3:20:22 PM
Should Hillary gain the nomination, the question on the November ballots will not be "Hillary: Yes or No?" The question will be "the Democrat or the Republican? The polls are already showing that both Hillary and Obama are favored over each Republican candidate.
The New Hampshire results show that people are getting fed up with mindless, unsubstantiated attacks on Sen Clinton. Do you really think American voters will select Huckabee over Hillary? Or Giuliani? Or McCain (Lets keep US troops in Iraq)? Or Thompson? Or Paul?
McCaskill won by a sliver of the votes cast in her Senate election. Her position is precarious. If she thinks she needs to distance herself from Hillary to solidify her position in Missouri, she has.
Posted by: richard | Jan 13, 2008 3:22:02 PM
Say, what you want about McCaskill's decisions...this is another strong, smart professional woman elected to office who is not on Hillary's bandwagon. I find it interesting that Clinton's female supporters don't seem to have the largesse to accept the fact that not all women are supportng Hillary just because she is a woman. I say that because so many women in New Hampshire purportedly were voting for another candidate until Hillary welled up and found her voice. I am a bit confused I mus admit...just wondering why it seemed so easy for women to flip their vote? Were issues in this campaign ever a primary considerationof those women? if issues were a part of their consideration why was it so easy to skip over them and head straight for gender as the most compelling issue in this campaign?
Posted by: Victoria | Jan 13, 2008 3:57:25 PM
It was very unfair to have Hillary Clinton spend an hour on Meet the Press attacking Barack Obama, without him there to defend her allegations.
It's amazing so many Democrats want to return to the Clinton years. She will not return to the White House by herself; this will also be Bill's third and maybe fourth term.
The Republicans are just rubbing their hands together just waiting to capture the presidency again.
Posted by: Teresa | Jan 13, 2008 4:23:33 PM
does anyone honestly care what Claire McCaskill has to say? she's an irrelevant senator looking for some media spotlight and, more likely, a cabinet position. any smart politico knows endorsements rarely, if ever, matter to the electorate when they go into the booth to make their decision. having said that, Clinton has WAY more endorsements than Obama.
Posted by: boynla, LA, CA | Jan 13, 2008 4:26:26 PM
I think that many in the Democratic party are being naive if they believe that Hillary Clinton can win the general election. Those of us not living inside the beltway understand that she motivates the other side to come out and vote against her. For the better part of a year the Clinton campaign with help from the media have portrayed her as the presumptive nominee and have ignored the fact that she has the highest unfavorable ranking than any other candidate in the race. Unfortunately for her, the more she speaks and the more Bill whines, they remind us of why so many of us suffer from Clinton fatigue.
Posted by: hope | Jan 13, 2008 4:29:18 PM
The truth is that if the Democratic Party is foolish enough to have Senator Hillary Clinton lead the ticket, the Democratic party will lose in a landslide. The Clintons control the Democratic Party apparatus but the fact is that nearly 70% of the grassroots prefers another candidate to the lead the ticket very strongly. Hillary not only has absolutely NO CROSS OVER ABILITY for Independents and Republicans but Democrats en masse will abandon the Democratic party.
Posted by: Christopher London | Jan 13, 2008 4:37:02 PM
I agree with McCaskil not so for hurting the so called democratic party but for the distruction she will do to AMERICA,fatal is putting it lightly. Vote for socialism, higher tax's and less freedom. Vote for Hillieary.
Posted by: William F. E. | Jan 13, 2008 4:42:47 PM
I'd like to see HRC as an effective and very senior leader, in the senate, where we obviously need her. My fears about here are the following: 1. She will drag any dem. ticket she's on down - as she is a uniter, but of the GOP. House and senate will be weakened on the dem. side, no matter "who's ready to lead from day one". 2. Given her absolute ceiling within her own party (the party she is showing not to care too much about, given her willingness to damage it's chances by her sniping and insiduous attacks), the fac that she has NO cross-over rep. appeal and limited support from independents (see where they went in NH and Iowa), she could actally lose the general. May we all be saved by McCains talisman when he boms Iran... 3) even IF she would be able to eke out a 50.1% win, the other side (with a stronger congrss) will be "Fired up and ready to go", and we are looking at incredible division once more. She cannot heal... Plus, on the topic of "experience": I shall never forgive a vote FOR A WAR without reading the 90-something pages if the NIE Graham fought so hard to have access to. As a "vertified genius" (Bill's own words) this should not have taken too long, and she knew no one on her staff ahd clearance to see it. Experience?! I also remember what we experienced as a country when we had to live though lincoln and other bedroom (and desk and sigar and billing records and travelgate and parsing of definitions of "is", "sex"... Let's not forget that Chertoff is sitting on 7 years of all of Bill's 'comings and goings", and this can leak out, drop by drop. I frankly would like to move on, and raise my children under a president they can look up to and admire for his wisdom,without "compartmentalisation".
it's all about the Clintons, and they are showing us that day after day, smear after smear. Please show than that we deserve better!
Posted by: Carl | Jan 13, 2008 4:52:33 PM
Everyone in the Republican party and every news media stated over and over again that if Hillary ran, who can run against her? Well, guess who can run against Hillary and beat her. It is Obama. That is the reason why so many Hard Core Republicans posts their slanders against Obama on these boards. First they were complaining about a tough fight with Hillary. BUT now they are running scared because they know they will have a tougher time trying to beat Obama.
Posted by: angie | Jan 13, 2008 4:57:02 PM
Angie, you are right. That's why Rove and Ginrich are meddling so actively and smiling at this slugfest, where the Clinton smears do their work for them. Weaker party and weaker opponent in November. What can we do to stop the Clintons from blowing up the party. Where is the outcry when institutions like Emily's List are abused as an arm of her campaign instead of using their resources in races where the opponent is a real "opponent", i.e. does not support their cause?!?! Does any one have any info on any fall-out?
Posted by: Carl | Jan 13, 2008 5:01:42 PM
HRC is a disaster waiting to unfold. She will energize the Republican base, whilst mildly enthusing her own. In short, the best hope for the GOP to get a Republican President elected in the fall, is to ensure Clinton is on the ballot.
She should stop hiding behind Bill, and come clean. She has only been in elected office for 8 years, and every one of those has been an attempt to build herself a platform for election to the Presidency. Obama, has in fact been an elected official for longer than she has, so I guess that actually in terms of direct hands on experience he has more than she does.
Even if Clinton were to win the nomination and went on to win the Presidency, she is poison for many Democrats in down ticket races, what use is a Democrat in the Oval Office if Republicans have both Senate and House majorities? Dem's don't do it. Vote no for HRC!
Posted by: Mike | Jan 13, 2008 5:21:33 PM
Hillary Clinton is becoming the most devisive candidate in history -- women vs men; old vs young; blacks vs whites; hispanics vs blacks. Now she's sounding like a union buster. She and her husband are damaging the Democratic party. The Clintons need to bow out gracefully and let the nation move on to a better future.
Posted by: Bob, DC | Jan 13, 2008 5:47:45 PM
The endorsements for Obama are coming in from all over. Here they are from just the past 4 days:
Sen Claire McCaskill (MO)
Arizona Gov Janet Napalitano
Sen Ben Nelson (NE)
Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin
Sen Tim Johnson (SD)
Sen John Kerry (MA)
Rep George Miller (CA)
Ned Lamont
Gary Hart
Unite HERE (National)
Nevada SEIU
Nevada Culinary 226
Obama's campaign also says they are bringing in about $1 milliion/day since Jan 1. Barack is on a major roll. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton supporters are sueing to limit the voting turnout in Nevada. Pathetic.
Posted by: Bob, DC | Jan 13, 2008 6:19:56 PM
Only simple-minded, lazy people would look to endorsements to form their decisions on who to vote for. As for McCaskill stating that Clinto is "fatal" ... her endorsement of Obama may be "fatal" to her own re-election ... since she was only marginally elected the first time ... and by the way ... she too, is only a first term senator.
Posted by: Jackson | Jan 13, 2008 7:27:02 PM
Only ignorant, biased people would dismiss the impressive list of Obama's endorsements I posted above. Reality is a Hillary Clinton nomination is fatal to the Democaratic party no matter what the Hillary lovers want to believe.
Posted by: Bob, DC | Jan 13, 2008 7:40:02 PM
Obama for America,
Hilary for President,
It says it all, Obama carries the dreams of America, and Hilary is chasing her selfish dream
Posted by: Jean, ATL | Jan 13, 2008 8:03:03 PM
Richard is incorrect about what the polls show. Zogby has been conducting head-to-head polling matching all the Democrats vs. all the republicans for several months now.
Obama comfortably beats them all. Edwards record is 3-2.
Hillary is 2-3; she beats Thompson & Romney but loses to McCain,GUliani, & Huckabee.
That's right Huckabee beats Clinton nationally.
Posted by: bill olds | Jan 13, 2008 9:00:22 PM
The answer to the question of the Day which is: Do you consider Hillary's bid for the Presidency to be fatal for the Democrats natiowide? The answer is yes I am one life long "Democrat" who will never vote for a return to power by the Clintons they have done enough damage to the country like the Bush family they need to go. I will hold my nose and vote "Republican" enough is indeed enough.
Posted by: murl41 | Jan 13, 2008 9:27:22 PM
I too am a lifelong Democrat. I am supporting Sen. Obama. I voted for Pres. Clinton ("Bill" not Hillary). But Ms. Hillary has really turned me off. If she does get the nomination, I too will cross that line and vote Republican. I'm also thinking about organizing like-minded individuals to do the same. Just staying home is not a strong enough message.
Posted by: kelley | Jan 13, 2008 10:06:24 PM
"Fatal" is only a political term describing the consequences to individual Dem candidates caught in the uprising which Hillary would invoke from voters - Repubs, Independents, and perhaps 15% of Dems alike.
"Incendiary" would be a term for the atmosphere of highly charged hate in Washington with Pres. Hillary and the open war from the right to sabotage any bill that might put her in a good light.
Posted by: Jack | Jan 13, 2008 10:30:49 PM
the clintonians will distroy this country if they win. this is not a fairy tale but it is from a well known asrologer (H.D)Grat Britain.
Posted by: Izar Lachman | Jan 13, 2008 11:03:52 PM
Choosing a president is not choosing someone who is likable and rhetoric...It means choosing someone who is best qualified...Clinton of course has that quality.Obama? Ha...What's the only thing this guy is claiming as his asset? The judgement??? Is that really true???When he was a Washington outsider and lacked the enough info for him to judge , he said from his sympathetic heart he was against the war...But when he made it to the Washington ,he said there was no difference between him and Prez Bush...What a rhetoric claiming!This guy is inconsistent and completely has no good judgement.He is misleading you guys ,young people,independents...Wake up!!! The media is tougher to Clinton than any other dems candidates, but finally it turned out nothing...Give that black guy some more time...He is too idealistic and incapable to deal with the turbulent world...Maybe some years later he is gonna make it.But definitely not now...
Posted by: Drama | Jan 13, 2008 11:24:16 PM
I would probally guess that this is not an attack on Clinton. I know its just Clinton thats doing the attacking. HA HA
Senator Clinton for President of the United States.
Posted by: Jimmy | Jan 13, 2008 11:39:56 PM
nominating Hillary will bring out the far right republican voters who hate her as passionately as many hate Bush.
Posted by: vmcgreen | Jan 13, 2008 11:42:45 PM
It's far to early in the process to reach a meaningful assesment of the push and pull of candidates. Issues which will affect voters, such as the economy have not reached their peak yet and there could be more surprises such as N.H.
Posted by: BTL musings | Jan 13, 2008 11:52:06 PM
Yes, many Red State Democrats will endorse Senator Obama's candidacy because he rated more liberal, for raising taxes to solve problems, and although he lacks real world hands-on experience in growing economies, balancing budgets, and foreign affairs, he has so much wisdom from achieving so little.
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | Jan 14, 2008 1:05:51 AM
For McCaskill to make the statement that a democratic candidate can be "fatal" at this point in the game .. just shows are naive she is about politics. But then she is a first term senator too, like Obama, with little experience to back up her statements. Hers is really a non-endorsement as most of the people in Missouri are very disappointed in her, both democrats and republicans.
Posted by: elinda | Jan 14, 2008 1:35:27 AM
I live in a red state in the south and Im backing clinton for the simple fact the voters in the south say they will vote an african american but like they did Harold Ford Jr. for senate in TN 06 he was heading toward victory and he found out that certain negative ads work how will handle the the pressure of the GOP machine I sincerely hope that once he gets that liberal label it will be a wrap and my party will be down the ticket losers in swing districts.he will have to face the music that when voting starts they will not "change" and rather go with a safe choice. He cannot unite the country if he wins the west, northeast, midwest, and the last pocket of voters in south vote GOP, he cant even campaign in places such as east TN, north GA, north AL, north MS, if he can I will be glad to here his ideas with details on how he is going to pay for all this new spending on us, in person, instead of traveling to Nashville or Memphis where my democrats usually do their stumping.
Posted by: Q.T. | Jan 14, 2008 4:34:27 AM
she has experience alright, too bad its more mob like than presidential.
Posted by: DJ,Iowa | Jan 14, 2008 4:53:30 AM
YOU KNOW: IF THE DEST DEM. NOM. DOESNT GET IT AND SEN. OBAMA GETS THE NOM. ITS FOR SURE MY VOTE WILL GO FOR A TRUE AMERICAN TO BE PRESIDENT AND IT WILL NOT BE SEN. OBAMA. SO MY VOTE RIGHT KNOW IS FOR THE ONE WHO REALY CARES, ONE THAT HAS AND WLL SE TO THE NEEDS OF ALL THE PEOPLE,ONE THAT HAS THE LEADERSHIP AND THAT WILL LEAD, US THE PEOPLE A TRUE AMARICAN, WITH A AMERICAN BACKGROUND.
Posted by: ALVIN | Jan 14, 2008 6:06:15 AM
So the nomination of Hillary Clinton could necessarily result in the continuation of the Iraq War and the continuing lack of an effective response to global warming.
How do I get there? Hillary's nomination would be bad for the Dems, result in a Repub. President, with insufficient numbers in Congress to override vetos. Continued stalemate.
Posted by: BSmith | Jan 14, 2008 10:11:37 AM
Hillary Clinton is the best way for Republicans to stay in the White House. If she's the nominee then people will not only be voting "for" the Republican nominee but voting "against" Hillary. She's poison for Democrats. I hope you'll evenutally see that.
Posted by: George | Jan 14, 2008 10:24:20 AM
Hope, Kelley and Christopher London I agree with all of you. You all were right on the money.
Hope:
Hope I understand your pain. I, too, am really tired of seeing Bill! Furthermore, when will they stop talking about the 90's for goodness sakes?! Enough already.
Kelley:
Why be a sheep for the Clintons? Sending a massage is exactly what I had in mind myself.
Chris:
I couldn't have stated it any better if I tried. If she is the nom, - not only will she not get any cross over votes - but she will lose votes in her own party. So much for victory.
Democrats better wake up. If you want another 4 years of Republican rule, then go with Hillary. If you want even the slightest chance of a victory, then I suggest you look at Edwards or Obama. Either one of them is better than Hillary. She is a hypocrite. She goes on tv and talks about the guy for an hour, then goes to some church and praises him? What a joke. This campaign is showing her and Bill for the people that they are, power hungry.
The lengths they are willing to go to are shocking the crap out of me...And those are not the type of people I want to see in office.
Power corrupts and they (the Clintons) are corrputed....
Posted by: Thomas S. | Jan 14, 2008 11:29:16 AM
Scorpion will be vertical on Saturn and caprion will be shifted 54 degrees in beginning of November 2008. On October 26 2008 Gemeni will concide on Torus. The difference between Qctober 26 1947, the birth date of Hillary Clinton and 26 November of 2008 is exactly 61 years, the sum of which is 7 which is Jupitar; that is Sagittorios, the archer. This means distruction if she wins in November 2008. However, her star will be shinning if she wins in May 2009, the peace will prevail, and the economy will be at its peak.
Posted by: Henry the astronomer | Jan 14, 2008 1:57:26 PM
Sounds like others are making threats now here witht hat kind of response and it's the not the first one I have heard. Since this all started with the Clintons won NH
Posted by: Gloria | Jan 14, 2008 2:35:21 PM
Regardless of what tipped the vote in her favor – and I think there were a number of factors – I can’t help but think the voters in New Hampshire made a big mistake when they gave Hillary that victory. Had she lost there, I think it would’ve been nearly impossible for her to stop Obama’s momentum. As it is, a huge battle lies ahead.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I think that the frothing-at-the-mouth hatred that Hillary inspires in so many Republicans borders on the insane (and it’s certainly idiotic), but Democrats ignore that antipathy at their own peril. If Democrats want to do the most powerful thing they can to turn out the *right-wing* base in November, the choice is simple: nominate Hillary Clinton.
Obama, on the other hand, is the one candidate that Americans across the political spectrum can get behind. How do we know? Because they did it in Iowa. He trounced Hillary among independents, brought out unprecedented numbers of young people, and even defeated her by a percentage point among women there.
Imagine a contest between Obama and McCain. Barack would destroy the old guy in a general election. Clinton? I’m not so sure. Certainly, after seven years of the Bush fiasco, any Dem nominee *should* be able to beat any Republican, but given the way Hillary infuriates and riles up Republicans, it would be a huge risk to give her that responsibility. Voters have a choice between division and unity, between the future and the past. Let's turn the page.
Posted by: NewDayUSA | Jan 14, 2008 2:40:03 PM
What world do you people live in that you think Obama can bring people together. Where is the proof, what has he done beside talking. He is very good at talking but do you realy think the other side is going to lay down and do what ever he says. He reminds me of going to a Amway convention. You come out of there on top of the world but after a while you come back to earth. All the independents voted for Bush for the same reasons and look what we got. I dont have to like the person in office as long as they can do the job and I think Clinton can. Obama needs a little more time.
Posted by: Don, Fl | Jan 14, 2008 3:05:30 PM
It's ALL about who stands where on
Supplimental Warfunding.
Posted by: joseph | Jan 14, 2008 3:14:32 PM
LET US ALL GET REAL FOLKS THE SOUTH STILL WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A BLACK MAN OR A WOMEN. BUT IT WILL IF THAT WOMEN'S LAST NAME IS "CLINTON". THATS THE FACTS ITS MIGHT BE A SOUTH UNDERSTANDING BUT CLINTON COUNTRY IS REAL AN ALIVE MAYBE NOT UP NORTH BUT IN THE SOUTH IT IS, JUST AS IS THE "N" WORD STILL IS NOW GO FIGURE.
Posted by: HILLARY RULES THE SOUTH , MEMPHIS TN | Jan 15, 2008 5:49:47 AM
I think most of these comments are coming from white folks. You think Clinton is unelectable, Obama is even worse. Racism is part of our makeup. I assure when you get into the election booth a good number of you will vote for the white candidate, you just don't want to admit it. McCaskill sould know better comimg from red state. She was more electable in that state because being a white woman, if the Democratic candidate would have been a black man or minority, Missouri would have a white male Republican as the govenor. Gender will always trump race.
Posted by: rayo | Jan 15, 2008 3:57:38 PM
I've been a democrat all my life, if Obama gets the nomination? I WILL CROSS OVER AND VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN!!!!
Posted by: Nan | Jan 19, 2008 3:29:52 PM
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