To ABCforshort: I have also watched every single debate. Do me a favor: if you want Obama, fine. But all the blind, over-the-top Clinton hating is just, well, tired and lame. If all you're intested in is the sound of your own cyber voice, then fine again. Otherwise, why not take the time to listen to what others have to post. Who knows, you might learn something or gain a different perpective. If that makes you more of an Obama supporter, great. But at least you'll vote with your mind and not some other unidentifiable body part.

Ximena,
I wrote extensively on this.
If Clinton is to have a shot at winning Obama has to be on the ticket and they know this. However, if he loses he could run as an independent with Bloomberg or some other high-level profile. He would need to release his cabinet through and his entire plans to stay competitive... hard to say. third party tickets are also very risky

Obama is a child.

Re: Snubs, "Billary", and other Press B.S.

As tempting as it is to jump into the bare-knuckle ballet, I have to be honest and say, although I support Obama, I don't believe that a vote for Hillary means Bill will be skulking around in the shadows barking talking points at her from the wings. I'm sure there would be the pillow talk policy meetings, as we all have come to expect happens when a candidate has a strong spouse, and perhaps a certain extra effort to advise on Bill's part (as his high profile role in her campaign seems to imply), but Hillary, if we are to be even handed, has always been accused of being her own, strong-willed woman. It is unlikely that if she gets her hard-won time in the sun, that she will simply serve it over to her spouse. Hillary, presumably, has developed the loyal following that she has, in NY in particular, because she has served her constituents.

I voted for Bill twice. Were there to be a different array of candidates this time around, perhaps I would be voting for another Clinton now too. While I never admired the man that Bill appeared to be in his personal life, I admired the public servant that he was and I believed in his intellectual and political abilities. Unfortunately, largely what remains in the public eye is the "personal" Bill, not the public service Bill. What I see is a defensive and reactionary spouse (as many of us would be while seeing our spouse go through trials) campaigning in a fashion that makes his wife look worse than the person he is trying to critique. The sins of the husband, as it were, should not come down upon Hillary's head, but there are many ways, chief among them her disappointing and flexible stance on the war in Iraq, in which Hillary has herself created the defections she now sees in her former support base.

Her departure from her party in campaigning in Michigan and Florida also greatly concerns me. This is something that neither Edwards nor Obama felt was ethical to do. Perhaps Hillary will benefit from her departure in those states, but at what cost? Her sharp-toothed tactics with the Obama campaign is not a WP fiction. While the press can be ridiculously slanted, it is the nature of the beast. As for example this flap over "Obama's Snub" of Hillary manufactured from a NYT picture of Hillary grinning and grabbing for Ted Kennedy's hand, or even the incessant headlines describing "Obama's Indicted fundraiser" who, in fact was neither "Obama's" (funds came from the *partners* of one of his companies) nor a "fundraiser" (the donations were given to charity by the Obama campaign at the first indication of impropriety by their donor), or, see the article describing Obama slamming "ugly smears" from the Jewish community, which bears no relationship whatsoever to the text of the article. It does make you read it though, doesn't it? Yes, the press can be a beast. Hillary is no more at its whims than Obama, though. The only person that seems to be escaping some of the fray is Edwards, but let's be frank, it's because he's merely a strong third at the moment.

Finally, while Hillary will benefit from states where Independents and Republicans cannot participate in the Democratic primary (since Obama's support has a large base of Independents and Republican-independent types) I find this to be evidence that she is the weaker candidate to put forward in the general election, not the other way around as the press spin seems to be playing. Inter-party support is kind of ideal, isn't it?

I have read Obama's two books, as well as the Clinton tomes (including Bill's recent excellent "Giving: How Each of Us Can Change the World"). Barack Obama, to me, is the clear choice when reads what he has to say.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in the probability that Edwards would make an excellent nominee, and that Hillary has the potential to surprise and win over all her critics. It is only Obama, however, that I BELIEVE in, and that is something that has been on short supply for a long long time.

did anybody ever hear of the word 'coincedence' could be as simple as that. Hillary put the crown DoWn!

I love to see Dems bloodying each other. The Democrat Party is a party of seditious fools and socialists. The sooner the party implodes the better off the country will be. 1960's retreads are good for absolutely nothing.

The press over recent weeks has found three adjectives to use regarding Sen. Obama's behavior at times; peevish, whiney, and, now , childish; hardly presidential; he and Pres. Clinton both earned "angry" but that is hardly non-presidential.

Obama is a typical male chauvinistic P! A mannerless OAF. His clan made up of Axelrods, Ted Kennedy (who needs this fornicating predator's endoresement anyway!!!) are all MCPS!! As for AxelRod...he has his own ulterior AXE TO GRIND!!! And the less we speak of the Al Sharptons the better.
Hillar has class and grace.
ABC IS THE ONLY NETWORK WHO HAS MENTIONED TONY REZKO'S ARREST AND HIS CONNECTION WITH MR. OBAMA HUSSEIN BARRACK!!!
YOU GO ABC. MORE POWER TO YOU!!
CNN AND MSNBC/NBC OR THE MOST BIASED NETWORKS.
AS FOR FOX...NEVER YOU MIND...WITH THE MORONS LIKE HANNETY

okay ABC, seriously now you're just out of your mind. a whole article on an interpretation of the direction Obama was facing when Hillary Clinton shook Ted Kennedy's hand....... it's sad that you think this passes for journalism.

Clinton and Obama are childish and a prime example of how far from the mainstream this party has sunk...i will vote replublican just to keep this party from forming a complete monopoly on washington.

Mikail, John Edwards????? You mean the guy who lives in a 28,000 sq ft mansion which he has to heat and cool and then tells me that I must drive around in a 2 door Spec!!???

Wow , 5 soliders died within hours in Iraq and it doesn't deserve as much time as this stupid Obama & Hillary story, who cares what they do with each other, they are friends If one wins the other will still be happy, this is all politics.

On a serious note it seems the media is working for Hillary though I don't care.

To think someone will vote base on this is even more stupid, this is why all citizens should be made to take at least 3 college credit course on what to look for in a president.

mark twain, I disagree with your assertion that the media is working for Hillary I find it ironic that the same media that ignored the trangressions of the Clinton machine in the past has embraced another candidate and has kicked the Clintons to the curb.

People: You grow up!
You are wrong if you believe that politics can be reduced to a photograph. It is usually much more complex than that.
Or do you really believe in Hillary's tears? Really? You are being manipulated there, by the media and by the Clintons ability to lie!

Obama is clearly the best choice.

Like I keep saying, the Media is biased. Or could it be, they're afraid of Al Sharpton?

You can always tell when the youngsters are on the boards. How many of you were even out of diapers during the Clinton Administration let alone even know who Ted Kennedy is? Take it from somebody who was there (as has been for over 50 years): Besides the absolute FACT that the media abhors the Clintons and have spent untold amounts of ink trying to destroy them (to no avail), like the EverReady Bunny, they keep on going. Lesser folks would have caved in a long, long time ago. The reason Clinton got two terms was because the People chose to ignore the press bashing. Those who say the Clintons are dividers are just lemmings, following the press's lead. Face it, to the press, Obama is just fresh meat. Do you seriously think the honeymoon will last? Man what short memories some people have. Don't you remember the lovefest the press has for "W" and look what happened. The guy is a disaster. Ditto for Obama's "I'm an outsider" line. The last "outsider" was Jimmy Carter and if you're too young, look up how he was treated when he took office. They couldn't make up enough peanut famer jokes to demean the guy. Caroline Kennedy? Where the hell's she been? Funny her cousins are for Hillary; everybody knows it wasn't her father Jack but her Uncle Bobby who did all the REAL work. But THAT endorsement almost totally escapes the media. Finally, this is a contest for the presidency of the United States not student body president. Unfortunately, most of you posters don't have any other reference. I guess that's not your fault but just remember, a vote for Barack is not some psuedo vote for Snoop Dog or Puff Daddy -- it's for a real job -

Did I not say I once was going to vote for Hillary? I am not a Hillary-hater. I just don't like to hear her lies and distortions. Oh, and I might add, if your response was written with the same 'gratiousness' that you say Hillary has exhibited, I think I understand you now. Best we just agree to disagree.

Sorry for the error. The DRUGGSTOHR post I was referring to was at 3:03pm

Were any of you there? Are you even aware of the distorting effect of the television "eye", the boxing effect it has of obsessing on that which is in its frame of view and excluding everything around it, so that we see the candidate but not the dozens of reporters crowded around, Obama but not the person standing a few feet away. Has anyone tried to determine if Sen. McCaskill was in the vicinity? Or is this just endless obsessing over what is seen on television as if it were constitutive of reality?

druggstohr,your comments are clearly defensive in nature and do not lend themselves to positive debate. The fact that you were alive during your "list of experiences" does not qualify you as an expert...abcforshort makes some good points and is entitled to an oppinion...i simply believe that the Clintons represent an "old guard" establishment that has nothing to offer as we solve our country's problems...I will not vote for Obama, but I bet he would not demean and dishonor the office of the president as did Clinton.