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Rove on Clinton: She 'Barely Beat Nobody Else'
January 16, 2008 3:27 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis and Talal Al-Khatib Report: Former Bush adviser Karl Rove slammed Sen. Hillary Clinton's, D-N.Y., performance in the Michigan primary during a Wednesday speech to the Republican National Committee in Washington, D.C.
Watch the VIDEO HERE.
"I want you to look at the results of last night’s primary in Michigan," said Rove. "Sen. Clinton’s name was on the ballot and none of her principal opponents were. Fifty-five percent of the people turned out and voted for her. She got 328,151 votes, but 236,723 people turned out for the Democratic primary to vote for 'uncommitted'."
"Think about that," Rove continued. "If you run against nobody, and nobody gets 40 percent of the vote. The other 5 percent of the vote went for three other people. 27,924 votes went for the guy who believes in UFO’s, the guy who dropped out, and the guy who last held public office somewhere around 1855. That’s a pretty remarkable testament to the deep concerns the Democrats have about Senator Clinton when she can’t barely beat nobody else."
The three unnamed Democrats alluded to by Rove as having picked up five percent of the vote against Clinton are Dennis Kucinich, the Ohio congressman who confirmed at an October debate that he has seen some kind of unidentified flying object, Chris Dodd, the Connecticut senator who dropped out of the presidential race after the Michigan ballot was printed, and Mike Gravel, who represented Alaska in the U.S. Senate from 1969-81.
The Clinton campaign responded to Rove's dig by noting that two Obama supporters -- Michigan Rep. John Conyers and his wife, Detroit City Council President Pro Tempore Monica Conyers -- ran a radio ad in Detroit encouraging Democrats to vote "uncommitted" in the primary.
Even though Clinton's top two rivals did not appear on the ballot, a Clinton spokesman sought to frame the 15-point margin over "uncommitted" as a positive affirmation.
"Anytime you win a race by a 15-point margin, it's a great victory," said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer.
Obama and former Sen. John Edwards removed their names from the Michigan ballot after the Democratic National Committee declared that no delegates chosen in Michigan's Democratic primary would be seated at this summer's convention. The DNC blocked Michigan from holding a delegate-awarding contest because it violated national party rules when it was scheduled before Feb. 5.
Clinton refrained from campaigning in Michigan but she left her name on the ballot.
A spokesman for Monica Conyers joined Rove in offering a blistering assessment of Clinton's Michigan performance. The spokesman to Monica Conyers also sought to tie the unusually high "uncommitted" vote to the recent Martin Luther King and "fairy tale" comments made by Clinton and her husband, the former president.
“Michigan was the first time, where in effect, the vote was a referendum on the racially insensitive remarks of both candidate Clinton and former President Clinton," said Sam Riddle, a spokesman for Monica Conyers, "and the verdict rendered by black voters in Michigan was nothing less than a complete rejection of the Clinton candidacy."
"Forty percent of Democratic voters selected uncommitted: an invisible, non-entity," he added. "She acts as if she has inherited the black vote, and nothing could be further from the truth."
Obama said on a Jan. 13 conference call with reporters that Clinton was "ill-advised" for making comments which he saw as minimizing the achievements of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. But the Illinois Democrat who would be the nation's first African-American president has more recently joined with Clinton in seeking to dispel the rancorous feud over race.
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The absolute negative opinions amaze me. It seems as though "common sense" has bee kiddnapped. I am a Clinton supporter, but would have been uncommitted. It's time we had a smart concerned lady as a leader. So people quit being jerks.
Posted by: Ken Smith | Jan 16, 2008 3:45:19 PM
Karl Rove writing against Senator Clinton what a SURPRISE. Rove was a disgrace as a member of Bushies administration almost getting a CIA agent killed with his mouth. Keep on keeping on Rove, you are like Dennis the Menace but not as cute!
Posted by: Jerilyn D. Bifulco | Jan 16, 2008 3:54:50 PM
I think that poll makes sense. 55% for a Clinton and %45 for anyone but a Clinton. Sounds like it was mostly a Clinton lover turnout anyway. I mean, if you were for Obama, but couldn't vote for him, you probably wouldn't go out to actually vote for "nobody". The fact that she had a hard time beating no one is awesome!
Posted by: TexBork | Jan 16, 2008 3:54:51 PM
Um.. facts are a terrible thing. Fact is, most Dem candidates boycotted the MI primaries because they broke party rules and moved the primary up. The Dem vote is Michigan means NOTHING! Remember when Rove said he had "the real numbers" on the 2006 elections, then he turned out to be wrong? He's wrong now too.
Keep it up, Rove, whenever you talk, you send more independents to the Democratic party because they are sick of you and Bush.
Posted by: AppeaseThis | Jan 16, 2008 4:15:59 PM
The "anybody but Clinton" candidate got 40% because they were more honest and more trusted than Hillary; and this was really nobody and they got 40%. Or should I say "Billary" since both Bill and Hillary are running;
Posted by: No to Dems | Jan 16, 2008 4:17:47 PM
Karl, real credible source. Isn't this the guy who drummed up support for Iraq, Drilling in Alaska, Tax Cuts for the Wealthiest Americans, Ambassdor John Bolton to the United Nations, Ban on Gay Marriage, Two conservative Supreme Court Justices to the US Supreme Court, etc, etc, etc, etc....
I am surprised ABC is using a quote from such a credible source.
Posted by: Brian | Jan 16, 2008 4:20:25 PM
Also if you remember 2000, George Bush actually didn't win. ABC should really reflect on what it puts out there. It's like they are doing someone's dirty work.
Posted by: Brian | Jan 16, 2008 4:23:18 PM
To all the Clinton supporters on here, can anyone tell me what in the world she was talking about when she kept referring to issues as Black-Brown ones last night in the debate? Geez, any Repub were to utter that and they would be crucified. Next we will have Huckabee singing "Red-Brown-Yellow-Black and White" if this nonsense doesn't stop.
Posted by: Steve | Jan 16, 2008 4:25:32 PM
I wouldn't read anything into the results. When the election a one-horse race with a one-trick pony, why turn out to further a foregone conclusion? Better to keep your options open before committing to the only name on the ballot.
Posted by: Publius | Jan 16, 2008 4:34:04 PM
Karl Rove should be writing his comments from prison ... and maybe he will some day!
Posted by: Jackson | Jan 16, 2008 4:38:25 PM
The Mich. vote does show that 40% would vote for anybody instead of the status quo candidate.
Obviously it reveals a motivation within our party to head out to the booth to vote "no to Clinton."
Posted by: Edna | Jan 16, 2008 4:38:42 PM
And yes, Rove should spend the remained of his life in a box.
Posted by: Edna | Jan 16, 2008 4:40:11 PM
And yes, Rove should spend the remainer of his life in a box.
Posted by: Edna | Jan 16, 2008 4:40:44 PM
Rove is a disgrace to our Country.. He committed Treason by releasing the name of a CIA agent.. He's a SLUG, and will end up in Hell with bush & cheney.. The 3 of them have brought our Country down to their level, which is as low as it could go.. Nobody cares what he says.. The Democrat's will take the White and clean up the mess the Republican's made, just like Clinton did after bush#1.. I hope Hillary/Obama go on for the next 16 years.. We need leaders that love America, not money.. The young people will speak up this time..
Posted by: J.Murphy, CA. | Jan 16, 2008 4:48:02 PM
Who cares what Rove thinks. Look what his candidate has done to our economy! And Hillary Clinton will clean up the mess that Bush, Rove and Cheney will leave this country with.
HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT!!! ... there is no other choice!!
Posted by: Elinda | Jan 16, 2008 4:56:45 PM
Thank you J MURPHY from California...abc lops my posts off for some strange reason so i am left to CHEER for yours...
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN..
Posted by: daddyblue | Jan 16, 2008 4:57:40 PM
Please, Rove's stream of BS could only be gobbled up by delusional republican zealots. All of this means nothing. Rove is trying to create divisions among the democrats to further his dream of seeing the republican party lead America to ruin. Clinton did receive 55% of the vote, the best republican got what, 37%? 55% should be about Clinton's margin in the general election in November. Guess Rove is grasping at straws to stir up negativity among the democrats.
Posted by: Sean | Jan 16, 2008 4:58:32 PM
It's obvious to the most casual observer that some folks are still trying to push the Race/Gender issue.
Posted by: gcbfred | Jan 16, 2008 5:03:02 PM
I am a democrat but I'd rather vote for Britney Spears before I vote for Hillary
Posted by: Richard, Memphis, TN | Jan 16, 2008 5:03:45 PM
Hey i need to present my candidacy now.If nobody could come this close to beating clinton then i can beat nobody and clinton combined.
anyone up there for the post of campaign manager?
Posted by: EE | Jan 16, 2008 5:04:40 PM
Shut the hell up, Carl, and sit down. You are the architect of the most corrupt presidency in history. There may still be a jail cell waiting for you. We just have to wait until we get the First Criminal out of the way.
Posted by: Bill | Jan 16, 2008 5:04:52 PM
I am a Hillary supporter, I do not like Obama,he has no experience, I can't imagine him in the Whitehouse on day 1. I don't even know what he did for a living in the past.I never heard of him until 4 years ago at the Democratic convention! I don't care for Edwards, at one time I thought he would make a good President. Hillary has a lot of experience & with Bill it will even be better, they are the ones that can turn around this country & bring everyone together. When Bill was in the Whitehouse we sure didn't have a war that was running us into enormous debt, we have to borrow from other countrys including China! We didn't have the home forclosures, Companys closing, the amount of unemployment we have today. Their is a enormous amount of people that are hurting. They have no healh insurance , working but companys don't offer it, they barely make ends meet. I know, I am a senior citizen & I know everytime I go to the store, my money does not go as far as it once did. I have to pinch every penny. You have to look at the whole picture when you are deciding who to vote for. Read up on all of them , watch the Sunday morning programs they have & listen to what they are saying about all who is running. Too many people have tunnel vision, they also look at the glass as half empty! Think about the people that are hurting in this country, before you decide who to vote for & remember we need a person with experience & a lot of it! Hillary has that!
Posted by: Joyce | Jan 16, 2008 5:05:56 PM
The Repubs are dying for Obama to get the nomination. They can easily take out the lightweight state senator (I discount his whopping two years of U.S. Senate experience because all he has done is posture and campaign for the presidency since being elected to the senate.)
Clinton -- and the women of America -- are what they are most concerned about going up against.
Rove, Hannity and many other conservatives are doing their part to degrade her and get Winnie the Poohbama the nomination.
Posted by: Robert John | Jan 16, 2008 5:08:02 PM
The thought of another Clinton in the whitehouse is absolutely sickening...how could you people be so stupid..yea i said it, STUPID
i can't believe this horse ****
Posted by: trevor | Jan 16, 2008 5:08:52 PM
Karl wouldn't be opening his big fat mouth unless he knew Clinton could beat the future nominating republican canidate. Stay on task Karl
goooooooo awayyyyyyyyyy stay retired.
go climb under a rock.
Posted by: Carol | Jan 16, 2008 5:11:08 PM
People are still trying to say Bush didn't win in 2000. Of course he won. He wouldn't be in the White House if he didn't. Get over it.
Posted by: George | Jan 16, 2008 5:13:46 PM
Joyce: what "experience" does Hillary have? Sleeping with Bill isn't really an "experience" to brag about (especially since many other woman have done that). Should we let Brett Favre's wife play this Sunday's game too??
Posted by: Richard, Memphis, TN | Jan 16, 2008 5:16:44 PM
if you want another 4 years of GOP rule, vote for Hillary
Posted by: Richard, Memphis, TN | Jan 16, 2008 5:19:33 PM
WHO CARES WHAT ROVE SAYS? ROVE IS A BUSH PERSON!!!
Posted by: JOHN | Jan 16, 2008 5:21:05 PM
Let me show you how this breaks down:
55% - Clinton
40% - Uncommitted
Ok, so according to informal polling, 75% of people who voted uncommitted would have voted for Obama. So that works out to 40% times .75 = 30% for Obama. The rest would go to Edwards, so he gets 10%. The remaining 5% to others.
NOW LET'S SEE THE REAL PICTURE
55% Clinton
30% Obama
10% Edwards
5% Losers, etc.
Clinton got ~twice the vote Obama did and NEITHER OF THEM CAMPAIGNED THERE.
Posted by: dontbeatool | Jan 16, 2008 5:21:58 PM
Clinton supporters must surely be haplessly naive as these result indicate, regardless of how tehy try to spin it! A case in point: I'm an older social conservative Republican who isn't thrilled with our current batch of GOP candidates (in part, because of their personal lives) and actually find Obama honorable, and very inspiring. I may not agree with a lot of his policy but I think he would be good for the U.S.--he is the kind of candidate we need to take all of us in a new cross party direction. What we definitely don't need is Hillary! She is simply too polarizing and I think her supporters massively underestimate just the amount of visceral anti-Clinton sentiment there is in the population, even among many independents nad some other former "Reagan-Democrats." If Obama is nominated, however, many of us conservatives are willing to give him a chance but if it's Hillary, we'll vote for whoever the candidate is on the GOP side even if it's someone like McCain who, personally, I can't stand due to his immigration amnesty stance and such! I also don't think they realize just how many evangelical conservative Repubs like myself and my wife who are very seriously considering Obama. I can count at least 6 friends of ours who are politically like us, but respect and like Obama (and Michelle). He is a good man, honest, and has personal integrity and (surprising for polticians) faithfulness to his spouse, regardless. Many of us will indeed consider him. We simply do not wish to revisit the 90's and elect someone who relishes such division and spin as the Clintons. Personally, I think the Dems would be nuts to nominate Clinton (don't they get it?!)--there would be a huge electoral backlash and you guys will end up losing an election that is, unfortunately, all your's to win!
Posted by: Dennis | Jan 16, 2008 5:28:02 PM
Dennis,
If you think Hillary is so sure to lose, what are you worried about?
Yours,
Captain Obvious
Posted by: dontbeatool | Jan 16, 2008 5:31:38 PM
It is not reasonably proven that Rove did anything wrong here, as with half of the conspiracy minded accusations against Bush and Cheney. Go ahead and live in your fantasy. Man, are you judgemental! I read this to my teens, and they were embarrassed by your clear "youth!"
Posted by: Dennis | Jan 16, 2008 5:34:35 PM
He likes an abandoned dog running and barking in a park. Why is there anybody ctake him?
Posted by: dogowner | Jan 16, 2008 5:36:31 PM
Hillary is the best person. Please look at her platforms, her plans as president. That is the most important. She is the only person who can deliver. Obama is a talker however eloquent he is.
Posted by: Cuong Pham | Jan 16, 2008 5:38:12 PM
Captain, I have friends and family who are Democrats and I feel honestly bad for them that they really think Hillary is going to win everyting...just like they did with Kerry! It's not going to be healthy for the country to have such boiling over inevitable voter resentment as we've seen the last 8 years. I want to move on. Does that make sense?
Posted by: Dennis | Jan 16, 2008 5:38:25 PM
Dennis, I am completely with you on this. Obama gets the nomination and I, as an independent, vote for him or at least don't vote for the Republican in all likelihood. Hillary is the nominee, and I am another that will be voting Republican or Bloomberg if he runs, rather than for Hillary. I cannot fathom what the Dems cannot "get" in this. Obama would be a shoo in unless there is a lot more racism out there then I perceive. Hillary will get a backlash, and it has nothing to do with gender as far as I am concerned.
By the way Clinton backers, I am still waiting for someone to respond to my earlier post which I see no one is willing to take up the challenge to touch. Just exactly what is a Black-Brown issue that Hillary wanted to repeat constantly last night in the debate. Does anyone have the guts to explain that remark?
Posted by: Steve | Jan 16, 2008 5:40:41 PM
Those who say that nomination of Hillary as the democrate candidate for president means that dem will loose are applying the "fear" policy. There is no substance in such argument.
Go for Hillary!
Posted by: Pham si | Jan 16, 2008 5:42:08 PM
I would rather listen to a guy who has intimate knowledge of the clintons like Dick Morris than a Traitor like karl rove!
Clinton:The Inauthentic Candidate
Posted by: Anybody But clinton! | Jan 16, 2008 5:43:49 PM
Look what this pulpy crook has helped do to our country. Like his insignificance is only surpassed by his deep thoughts, yet he still speaks. I beg your pardon but if a crony speaks in the woods, and no one listens, did he really speak.
Posted by: Nelly | Jan 16, 2008 5:43:55 PM
Yeah, I noticed that too. What does that mean, a black/brown debate? At best it was a foolish thing to say for a presidential candidate>
Hillary supporters: this election is too important for you to lose it for us! Obama would win easily; Hillary might win/might lose. I'm not willing to take that chance. Think about NOVEMBER!
OBAMA'08
Posted by: Dem in Chicago | Jan 16, 2008 5:45:39 PM
"she can't barely beat nobody else" -- double negatives for two losers" KR - HRC
Probably decided to hit her instead of laud her because of her supposed Bush bashing the other night. What a group of ya-ya's.
Posted by: Paulet | Jan 16, 2008 5:46:00 PM
Just think about this. Why do you think the republicans and C.Rove attack Hillary? It is because they know that SHE IS A STRONG CANDIDATE.
Posted by: C Pham | Jan 16, 2008 5:46:27 PM
I just think it would be hilarious to see two highly successful Clinton presidencies, each following rather dismal (and clearly one being practically the worst ever) presidencies (of Bushes). You know Hillary would avoid more of the pitfalls that even Bill did because they learned how the system works.
It would look like this in history books:
'88 to '92 H.W. Bush Crap
'92 to '96 B. Clinton Pretty Good
'96 to '00 B. Clinton Damn Good
'00 to '04 W. Bush Among the worst
'04 to '08 W. Bush Worst ever (!)
'08 to '12 H. Clinton Hugely better
'12 to '16 Hillary? Rocking out
LOL!
Posted by: dontbeatool | Jan 16, 2008 5:48:42 PM
I am Rep and I actually feel sorry for the Dems b/c if they elect Clinton she will be crushed by the Reps come election night. I think the only person with a shot it Obama.
Posted by: Justin | Jan 16, 2008 5:50:27 PM
Nelly! I just don't understand your argument. Why do you think that Obama, given his inexperience, should win. Come on! Forget about the "hype" about Obama. A talker how eloquent he is or how good he looks is not what we need from a great president. Your guys just make your judgement based on non-substance! Wake up, think a little bit more.
Posted by: c Pham | Jan 16, 2008 5:52:46 PM
I always though that if you have more than 50% of the votes is majority? Since when is being ahead by 10% and 90,000 people is barley winning an election. Looks like somebody is a sore loser....:(
Posted by: SC | Jan 16, 2008 5:53:46 PM
Michigan republican primary had 30 delegates up for grabs. The Michigan democratic primary had 0. The democratic vote was pointless, hence the horrible turnout.
Posted by: Ken | Jan 16, 2008 5:53:57 PM
Pham,
"No substance?" "Fear?" OK, go ahead and discount many voters like myself. I'm jsut trying to give an inside look from the otehr side, from my experience. You can call it what you like but I think it's worth noting. We really don't want to see more acidic rhetoric from the Clinotons as they rise up in their party only to then very possibly lose it all. Can you imaigne the political discussion and arguing in our country afterwards? It's gong to be more divided than ever. We need to move on from the 90's.
Posted by: Dennis | Jan 16, 2008 5:56:57 PM
Independents sure are strange, in saying if Hilary the nomination, will vote Republican, but will vote in Obama, who has a record that is empty, guess independents want a President Barack Hussein Obama *his real full name)on the basis of change, what change has Obama done in the past, well Let's see:
Elected in '97 as a state Senator then;
in '99 ran for congress and lost then;
ran in '03 for US Senate (on promise to electoriat he would serve his full term as a Senator) then;
In '07 runs for President! Guess Obama's change is to change jobs!
During the entire debacle over the racism thing, a uniter would have not waited a week to speak, a uniter and leader would have spoken out immediately, and what he said of it not being a racist statement would a week ago said a lot about the guy, but seeking posture from it in waiting a week and making the statement he did shows a tactic of political gains, just like how Washington has always worked and thus condeds points to those who claim him to be an empty suit!
Posted by: me | Jan 16, 2008 5:57:30 PM
Ken
600,000 people is a LOT of people. I think that's pretty apparent.
Posted by: dontbeatool | Jan 16, 2008 5:59:05 PM
YOUR YESTERDAYS BAD NEWS ROVE ... do us all a favor and just go away!
Posted by: Squierghia74 | Jan 16, 2008 6:03:05 PM
Just gotta say I enjoy watching Hillary own up on everyone in the debates. Obama just squirms every time she goes after him.
People are just in love with the sound of Barack's voice anyway. Why don't we elect Tony Blair instead - he's SOOO Eloquent; oh, and that accent - How COOOOL. :^P
Posted by: dontbeatool | Jan 16, 2008 6:04:07 PM
Aside from the irrelevance of this entire column, may I remind those present that Karl Rove is a liar and a criminal and a general piece of ####? I would be extremely happy to see that fat ugly mug of his behind bars for the rest of his unnatural, unamerican life.
Posted by: Tom | Jan 16, 2008 6:05:05 PM
LOL...oh Karl...you're 15 minutes were up loooooooooooooooong ago...don't go away mad...just go away...
Posted by: Ryan | Jan 16, 2008 6:09:31 PM
"That’s a pretty remarkable testament to the deep concerns the Democrats have about Senator Clinton when she can’t barely beat nobody else." Oh, and by the way Karl..."can't barely beat nobody else" is a double negative...meaning she can beat everybody else! Then again, since most Texans talk like that, you could have meant anything...LOL
Posted by: Ryan | Jan 16, 2008 6:12:55 PM
Dear Karl Rove: If the Election were held today, NOBODY ELSE would easily BEAT George. W. Bush!!
Posted by: Michael Feinstein | Jan 16, 2008 6:14:17 PM
OMG, he is such a jerk. Both Senator Clinton and Obama would be excellent presidents, and there are some people that feel that one or the other would be better, and that is why this race is SO close, is because they are both qualified and they are both extremely intelligent people. There is nothing wrong with it being a close race, they are just mad Republicans aren't going to be in office!
Posted by: Brandy | Jan 16, 2008 6:21:54 PM
Hasn't this country had enough of sardonic opportunists like Karl Rove? Rove is a poster child for "today's irrelevancy".
Posted by: gtrmaniac49 | Jan 16, 2008 6:26:38 PM
Tom: "may I remind those present that Karl Rove is a liar and a criminal and a general piece of ####?"
DBAT "Sure, but I already know." :^)
Posted by: dontbeatool | Jan 16, 2008 6:27:08 PM
Ryan, has it ever occurred to you that Rove's quote may very well have a typo in there? I see it all the time when reading abcnews.com! So, don't be so quick to outright condemn. It doesn't make you look very smart.
Posted by: NKbradley55 | Jan 16, 2008 6:28:01 PM
Who is Karl Rove?? I didn't think he has any further relevance in politics today. Bush years are soon behind us and he is starting to see the train wreck in the rear view mirror.
Posted by: brent | Jan 16, 2008 6:29:55 PM
Sure, Hillary has experience... what exactly has she done in the Senate since she's been there? What votes has she actually participated in? Nothing substantial, nothing meaningful. And consider the experience she actually has - being co-president with Bill. Remember her famous remark about "we've only been president for [some number of] days"? I'm a Republican myself, and the only reason I would vote Republican this year is if Hillary is the Democratic candidate. She is a disaster-in-waiting.
Posted by: Kaelinda | Jan 16, 2008 6:51:49 PM
What this says to me is that despite everyone else voting against her, she still won. I mean 3 or 4 candidates TOTAL support couldn't overcome 1 candidate? That seems a bit pathetic. Surely 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 the result should be different. Anyway, I can't wait to be there on election day, passing out barf bags to all the conservative frauds who have to watch Hill be sworn in January 9th, 2009.
Posted by: Frustrated With The Fairy Tale | Jan 16, 2008 6:53:46 PM
Brent, it's too bad Rove is still relevant. Not only does Rove live on in the current administration's corrupt and deceptive ways, but he lives on through the politics of division and disillusionment to keep ordinary people sickened with politics in order to resist change.
Hillary Clinton is a part of this politics of resistance. The only experience she represents is the roadblocks to meaningful change; the politics of taking turns; the quest to regain power; the resumption of old alliances. All to the exclusion of ordinary people taking back the government.
Posted by: Jack | Jan 16, 2008 6:55:48 PM
Karl Rove just need's to keep his big mouth shut. he's part of the Bush corruption. Whoever In their right mind would listen to anything he has to say. He's a nobody!!
Posted by: Jeanette | Jan 16, 2008 6:57:09 PM
I hate to agree with the analogy of Karl Rove, but he may have a point...
Let's see: Bill and Hillary Clinton used "code" racial words, such as fairy tale, role of the dice, drug dealer, etc...and thought they would go uncheck by the African Americans voters. SHAME ON THEM!!! HOW DIVISIVE, NEGATIVE AND SLIMY CAN YOU BE AGAINST THE CORE CONSTIUENTS YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO GET IN THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE AGAIN! REMEMBER MONICA LEWISKNY? NOW, AS FOR THE BLACK VOTERS NEEDING THEM - I SAY HELL TO THE N-O! THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS EVERYONE TO GET IN OFFICE. THAT'S WHY SENATOR OBAMA WILL BE THE BEST PRESIDENT TO BRING ALL PEOPLE TOGETHER! THE STAUS QUO IS SO AFRAID OF CHANGE, THEY'RE WILLING TO USE SAME "OLD" POLITICS TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER IN A RACE FOR THEIR OWN GAIN! UNFORTUANTELY, IF HILLARY CLINTON IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, SHE WILL FIND SOME VOTERS WILL BE VOTING FOR THE REPUBLICANS. AND WHAT A CHANGE THAT WILL BE!
NOTE: THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF MOST OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS: IF WE CAN NO LONGER DEPEND ON THE AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTES, THE NEXT GROUP AT OUR ADVANTAGE WOULD BE THE HISPANIC/LATINO VOTERS. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PUSHING FOR DRIVER LICENSES REGARDLESS OF YOUR CITIZENSHIP STATUS IN NEW YORK!
Posted by: Lani, GA | Jan 16, 2008 7:02:52 PM
Karl Rove is a complete fool, an evil person and a criminal. Why any person listens to him is amazing. Why did I even read his comments? That's even more amazing.
Posted by: CalifLady36 | Jan 16, 2008 7:07:37 PM
Hillary keeps touting her 35 years of experience . . . please?!?!? I wouldn't count 8 years as First Lady experience.
Obama actually has a longer record in elected office than Clinton does, as a second-term New York senator.
"Obama was a community organizer and led a voter-registration effort in Chicago that added tens of thousands of people to the rolls. He was a civil rights attorney and taught at one of the nation's premier universities. He helped pass complicated measures in the Illinois legislature on the death penalty, racial profiling, health care and more. In Washington, he has worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation, government waste and global warming, amassing a record that speaks to a fast start while lacking the heft of years of service."
Posted by: What 35 yers experience, Hillary? | Jan 16, 2008 7:07:43 PM
"when she can’t barely beat nobody else."
rove is sounding just like 'w', illiterate.
Posted by: imissdrsagan | Jan 16, 2008 7:13:41 PM
no matter what Rove says, ALL candidates supporters voted against her at the same time and they lost by 15%. They were told to come out and show an Anti-vote against Hillary and all of them put together couldn't muster 50%? THAT is pathetic. THAT is NOT huge support. You would think Obama would have about 35% and Edwards 28% and anyone else 2%. That means it should have been something like this:
Clinton 35%
Everyone Else 65%
you can't spin that. They all tried to vote against her and couldn't even gain a majority. You can try to bend that anyway you want. Together, separate, in conjunction, in spirit, whatever, 4 people couldn't beat one who didn't campaign and didn't tell her supporters to vote. I mean she had enough votes in a fake primary to come within 9,000 of beating Rommney in his birth state. Munch on that folks. Fake vote and still almost beats the Mitt.
Posted by: Frustrated With The Fairy Tale | Jan 16, 2008 7:22:15 PM
Mrs. Clinton still beat the ‘uncommitted’ voters by 45%. If you show up to write ‘uncommitted’ on the ballot then you voted for someone. It would have been better for the uncommitted voters to stay home then you can hell Mrs. Clinton won against no one. The uncommitted voters voted ‘uncommitted’ for their candidate which was Obama or Edward. Can you tell me how much of the 40% percentage when to Edward and Obama? It sounds like Obama and Edward would have gotten their ##### kick if they were on the ballot.
Posted by: suzelee | Jan 16, 2008 7:24:22 PM
Response about why hillary referred to the black brown issue: One of the sponsers of the debate are the Hispanic group who used these words coming together with the black sponsers ..a sort of alliance stating they both have the same concerns
Posted by: shirley | Jan 16, 2008 7:27:17 PM
I just lost any and all respect I had left for ABC. Karl Rove should be in jail not making the news. Any one who would even listen to a word he says is in need of medical care. Karl Rove only wants to destroy the democarts so we can have 4 more years of some one who's probably worse than Bush, if there is such a person.
Posted by: Kardasia_Prime | Jan 16, 2008 7:28:33 PM
New Hampshire was used!
Posted by: Ken | Jan 16, 2008 7:44:36 PM
Too bad, we can not see the breakdown of the 45%. Obama or Edward gots their ##### kick in this race.
Posted by: suzelee | Jan 16, 2008 7:48:36 PM
Democrats, just remember that Karl Rove has been advising Obama throughout this campaign on how to beat Hillary. He is just setting up his party to run against someone they can beat and he knows it is not Hillary.
Posted by: Ronald | Jan 16, 2008 7:50:51 PM
Sorry, I should have said "has been trying to advise". I don't know if Obama has been listening.
Posted by: Ronald | Jan 16, 2008 7:54:20 PM
Sorry, I should have said "has been trying to advise". I don't know if Obama has been listening.
Posted by: Ronald | Jan 16, 2008 7:54:29 PM
If you vote to put the Clintons back in the White House, you have demonstrated an IQ lower than that of our current Dumb in Chief.
If you vote for the Clintons or Bushes again, you deserve every sickening, maddening moment of the sound our country will make continuing to spiral down the toilet.
Posted by: soldier | Jan 16, 2008 7:55:34 PM
You guys keep saying this is one of the most corrupt, if not the "most" corrupt adminstrations in our history and yet all you can base this on is hearsay, conjecture and gossip. I have news for you rabid hate filled liberals, jsut because you don't like certain policies doesn't make them illegal! You have no proof about Rove's so called "criminal" acts or GW's or Cheney's. One absolutely proveable dishonest act we can think of though is Bill Clinton's perjury under oath! That is why he lost his license and was impeached. And yet, you are such hypocrites--you make it out like you hate dishonest and corruption but then pander to the likes of the Clintons. You've lost your credibilty as such. Your vitriol hatred reminds me of thought police. You would do well in a facist state where you can run wild with your character assacinations! Give me a break. Chill out. Your'e foaming at the mouth. Geez.
Posted by: manno | Jan 16, 2008 7:56:23 PM
Karl Rove is an IDIOT and a CRIMINAL and he should be behind bars.
Posted by: Scott | Jan 16, 2008 7:56:33 PM
Why does Karl Rove get a platform to spout his nonsense? Obviously the Edwards and Obama supporters voted for "uncommitted." Those delegates would be then be free to go to either of these candisates of the Michigan delegates are reinstated. But Rove wants to take an unfair dig anyway, and ABC puts it into the headlines!
Posted by: jock59801 | Jan 16, 2008 7:59:19 PM
Well recent polls show that about 46% percent of the country would not vote for Hillary under any circumstances. Michigan proved the polls were right.
Posted by: Dave Crandall | Jan 16, 2008 8:00:43 PM
Dennis: Like yourself,I am an older person and I once considered myself a Republican, however the last one I voted for turned out to be a disaster for me. Since then I have become what I consider a progressive. I have spent many hours looking at past records, histories, senate and congressional floor speeches regarding particular pieces of legislation of candidates having federal experience. I have searched newspaper archives from New York, Illinois, South and North Carolina, Tenn., Ark, to Arizona, and state government and city government archives as well. I have studied these candidates from Giuliani's past as son of a mob connected felonious father, his draft dodging tactics, moral inequities, questionable records in NY as mayor. Mitt Romney whose business record at Bain capital leads me to believe his rhetoric regarding middle and lower income Americans is just that, rhetoric. Huckabee whose record indicates a liberal philosophy, while morally is a right wing religious zealot. McCain, whose voting record in the senate ranks number one missing in action for votes on legislation. Thompson has had



