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Clinton Forges Ahead After Tough Wisconsin Loss

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February 19, 2008 10:43 PM

ABC News' Kate Snow Report, Eloise Harper and Sunlen Miller Report: "We never expected to win in Wisconsin."

That's the line of the night from the Clinton campaign.

"We said at the beginning of this month that post Super Tuesday was lousy for us until March and we were right," said Communications Director Howard Wolfson.

They're not shocked by the win, but they're having a hard time dealing with the potential size of it. Inside the Clinton shop they believe Barack Obama has won Wisconsin by double digits.

Privately, Clinton associates concede it's a tough night for the campaign. Texas and Ohio - which hold their primaries in two weeks-- have shifted from states they hope to win to states they "must win" says one.

"We thought it would be single digit at worst," he said. "It's going to be a rough day tomorrow with party activists and leaders."

Though she did not mention the loss in her Ohio speech on Tuesday, campaign aides confirm the candidate called her rival to congratulate him.

Obama aides described the exchange as a "brief congratulatory call".

Clinton did try to cut her time in Wisconsin short this past weekend, before a snowstorm forced her to re-schedule events for Monday.

"We obviously reduced time and commitment for a reason," said one insider.

But it's not like Clinton didn't make any effort in Wisconsin. She spent three days here (in part because that snowstorm delayed her departure). Her daughter Chelsea was in the state for four days and President Clinton spent a day touring Wisconsin too.

She was outspent by Obama on the airwaves, but Clinton did run television ads in Wisconsin. And they were harsh. Two ads focused on Obama’s refusal to debate Clinton in Wisconsin.

"Maybe he doesn't want to explain why his health care plan leaves out 15 million people and Hillary's covers everyone. Or why he voted to pass billions in Bush giveaways to the oil companies, but Hillary didn't. Or why he said he might raise the retirement age and cut benefits for social security. But Hillary won't. Why wont Barack Obama debate these differences? Wisconsin deserves better," the ad intoned.

And the Clinton campaign sent out a sharply-worded mailer, accusing Obama of leaving millions of people out of his health care proposal.

"I'm asking you to hire me for the hardest job in the world. And I come before you with 35 yrs of experience making change for people," Clinton argued to a packed labor union hall in Wausau on Monday.

It wasn't enough.

Preliminary exit poll results indicated that Obama did well among independents voting in Wisconsin’s open primary.

Clinton also struggled in some of her core support groups - white women, less-educated and lower-income voters.

Top Clinton advisors are studying those results, shaping their strategies in Ohio and Texas moving forward.

Clinton aides also said they did not expect her fundraising efforts to suffer after tonight’s loss.

On Tuesday, Clinton’s team reported raising fifteen million dollars in the first fifteen days of February.

"Our supporters only get stronger when everyone in the media is counting us out," said the senior staffer.

Clinton campaign aides also think time is on their side.

"We now have two weeks and two debates to win the big states," said the insider.

"Obama will win tonight but as more people focus on him as president and commander in chief he’s going to have a tougher and tougher race," said Clinton spokesman Jay Carson.

"All you have to do is listen to Senator McCain tonight to see that Democrats need to have a candidate with the strength and experience to take him on," Carson said.

In his victory speech Tuesday night, McCain referred to Obama, saying: "I will work hard to make sure Americans aren't deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change."

He also referred to the "confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate."

"It's all about March 4th" said one confident senior Clinton staffer. "We will win Rhode Island, Texas and Ohio and the race will be back to square one. And then the battlefield will be Pennsylvania, which we will win as well."

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I have always voted Democrat. I do not find anything about Baracka and his wife redeeming. They are arrogant and condescending who play to minorities. If they were white they'd be the Clintons !

Maybe a moderate Republican wouldn't be a bad thing.If we can just him to budge on the war and abortion issues we might have a winner.

Posted by: Not Me | Feb 19, 2008 11:02:45 PM

Obama won by 114,000 votes in Wisconsin tonight. How many of those votes were Independent and Repubs voting for him to keep Hillary out of the race???
He only picks up a net gain of about 12-13 delegates, and once the big states come into play, it will be a dead heat again. Then what??

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:05:09 PM

I believe it's over for Hillary ii'm not here to dissapoint anyone but thats the way it's turning out i'm a republican and i plan to vote for barack here in corpus christi,tx.

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 19, 2008 11:10:52 PM

The Clinton campaign has made it clear they do not need my vote. They stated I am a "second class" delegate; red states don't matter and I don't really need a president because of my income. If I don't matter to them and the majority of the US is not important to them, why should we put our trust in someone that thinks so little of us?

Posted by: Sylvia | Feb 19, 2008 11:11:33 PM

Hillary we love you. We know you will bounce back to save our country. We are with you.From OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.

Posted by: jane | Feb 19, 2008 11:11:53 PM

Hang in there Hillary! We are waiting to support you in Pennsylvania! I'm hoping that Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island do the same. It's time to stop the non-sense and the hype... the winds will come and blow away Obama's air castles...

Posted by: Chrispy166 | Feb 19, 2008 11:12:37 PM

The media has played a huge part in this election by not presenting the voters with more information on Obama and his past.

I want more than just great speeches. I want a president and commander in cheif that can give results. Obama has not proven he can do this. The republican votes he is pulling in will be running the other way in November. I don't see change. I see more of the same empty promises we have had from Bush. The republican party will chew him up in November.

Posted by: Kurt | Feb 19, 2008 11:12:40 PM

Those of you who believe it's over for Hillary are just using wishful thinking. She can still pull even on March 4th, and leads in superdelegates and will leads in votes once Florida and Michigan are seated. Why should she concede now? If Obama had a 300-400 delegate lead I would say she should consider it , but with a 90 delegates lead, there is still much more campaigning to do. Hillary is not a quitter. When the new scandal hits about Obama and it turns out to be true, he will have to quit.

http://www.thewhitehouse.com

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:13:39 PM

I have no doubt that Hillary is forging ahead. She has more guts and fight than her opponent could ever "DREAM" of. I wouldn't doubt it if Hillary was already planning her next move for the 2012 election after Obama leaves the country in shambles.

Posted by: sl surratt | Feb 19, 2008 11:14:16 PM

So what will the excuse be after Hawaii and so on and so on?

Posted by: Patriot2008 | Feb 19, 2008 11:18:04 PM

She can't just win the big states. She has to CRUSH in the big states. That looks like it won't happen. Given the trends and recent polls.

Posted by: Lance | Feb 19, 2008 11:19:53 PM

Don't count Hillary out. It ain't over till it's over! & We in OHIO are chompin' at the bit to Vote for Her ! Go Girl Go!!!! Ohio For Hillary ! The Common Sense has spoken. Good-nite.

Posted by: georgie | Feb 19, 2008 11:20:11 PM

Lance, she doesn't have to crush at all. She just needs to make up 90 pledged delegated. A decent margin in Ohio, Texas, & PA would put her ahead again.
The race is a long way from over. There very worst thing Mr. Obama could do, was become overconfident thinking he left Hillary Clinton for dead after tonight.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:22:44 PM

Wait till the media starts disliking Obama. When people start digging in to his background they will tear him apart just like they did the Clintons. Hillary will come back. People will get there head out of the clouds soon. The Republicans will Swiftboat him right out of the sky. :(

Posted by: Faye | Feb 19, 2008 11:23:05 PM

In Corpus Christ Tx, Please don't give up on Hillary!!! She needs your support. Those of us in states who haven't been able to participate yet are counting on those of you in Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island to keep Hillary in the race!! It's too dangerous for the Democrats if you don't.

Posted by: Chrispy166 | Feb 19, 2008 11:24:29 PM

So much for the theory all educated people vote for Obama..lol

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:24:55 PM

The demo breaks don't look good for Clinton. If things progress along these lines, she may lose the pop. vote in TX and certainly it's a near dead heat in delegates there. She needs to win OH by a big margin. RI and VT will essentially cancel out. After Mar. 4 Obama will still be up by about 70-80 pledged delegates. Clinton can't pick that up in PA (at best a 20-30 del. pickup). Sorry to say, but the delegate tally lead will be Obama heading to convention.

Posted by: Kevin | Feb 19, 2008 11:25:53 PM

Mr. Obama in his rally tonight, warned that there was still 2 months and a long hard road ahead to win the nomination. I don't think he is counting Hillary out right now either.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:27:22 PM

Hillary Clinton will win in Texas, and Ohio! Polls here in Texas, are showing Clinton winning the primary.

John
Houston, Texas

Posted by: John | Feb 19, 2008 11:28:19 PM

You are correct Kevin, but you are still not counting Michigan and Florida delegates, which will be seated at the convention somehow. Still a dead heat.
The best thing for the Democratic party is to nominate Hillary and Obama on the same ticket, otherwise, the victory will go the the Republicans in November.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:30:04 PM

Endorse Obama?!?!? Why on earth would that be considered? You'd definitely have McCain in the White House.

Posted by: Chrispy166 | Feb 19, 2008 11:31:27 PM

Go Texas and Ohio!! Glad to hear there is so much support for Hillary!!! Those who are inspired by the convention speeches really need to listen to what is being said... that has substance... not just the hype.

Posted by: Chrispy166 | Feb 19, 2008 11:34:58 PM

Jay - Unfortunately that's wishful thinking. If the FL and MI del.s are seated (still a longshot), it will not be in correlation to the primary results. The only concept being put to the DNC is to seat them in a 50-50 split so they can participate, but not affect the outcome. In fact, my calculations pulled data from the wrong page. After tonight, Obama should be up by about 150 pledged delegates, so after Mar. 4, it's more like a 90-100 del. lead. And after PA, things look to favor Obama.

Posted by: Kevin | Feb 19, 2008 11:38:31 PM

dream-on HRC supporters!

Posted by: Al | Feb 19, 2008 11:46:36 PM

Sorry Kevin, the Florida results will stand in Hillary's favor . She won by over 300,000 votes, and now you think Obama should split them 50/50 with her. I doubt that will happen. I see at the convention there will be a 40-50 delegate separation, and then the superdelegates will nominate Hillary. Oh they will cry and scream, but I think it is the best for the country. If they don't both go on the same ticket. McCain will win by landslides over each of them individually. Not by the merit of their own voter base, but because we all know, who ever feels slighted at the Democratic convention, all the others people will vote republican to punish their own party. Sad, but this is the way it will play out. Replace Hillary with Obama or vise-versa, it will be a disaster for the democrats. Obama may have won 10 in a row, but the democrats are still equally divided as to who they want for their President.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:47:38 PM

The latest Texas poll has Barack and Hillary in a dead heat. After Barack's speech to how many thousand in Houston today, it has probably shifted to Barack. Barack has cut into Hillary's former advantage among women and less educated and lower socioeconomic voters. The electorate in Ohio is very similar to Wisconsin. As Barack spends more time in Ohio and Texas, Barack will peel off support for Hillary, just as he has in every other state where he has gone one-on-one with her. The writing is on the wall. Obama will win Texas and come mighty close to winning in Ohio, so, at this point it's over.

Posted by: Karl | Feb 19, 2008 11:50:34 PM

Hillary Clinton and her Husband Bill Clinton know how to beat the Republicans in the General elections they have a track record that proves they can beat the Republicans. If Obama wins the nomination the Republican political war machine will shred him to pieces and called him the most Liberal democrat in history and rally the Republican conservatives to vote in high numbers to defeat Obama. And if McCain hires Karl Rove to work in his campaign, Karl Rove will tear Obama to pieces and the Democrats will once again loose the White House. Obama does not have what it takes to Defeat the Republican Political War Machine.

Posted by: John | Feb 19, 2008 11:52:08 PM

I really would like people to not use the group they belong in to say that that whole group support their candidate. Like Jane from "Ohio State University" who said to Hillary, "We love you from Ohio State University" is sorely mistaken for talking this way. She made it sound like as if Hillary won Ohio State University's heart, while there is plenty that found her despicable. I recommend that everyone speaks for him or herself. Those most your want to say is "Love you from the Joneses"; even that, you should make sure that your husband/wife is supporting the same candidate you are supporting.

I am sick and tired of being lumped into things for convenience, like old white women, educated meddle-upper class, college graduates. Those people use my status to make a favorable point for them which I don't agree or appreciate. Speak for yourself, not for me. Thanks.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 19, 2008 11:53:04 PM

Time to pack it in, Hillary!
Tough Loss? Obama destroyed Hillary in
Wisconsin, a tailor-made state for Hillory Clinton! Lots of Uneducated people and Senile seniors, her core
supporters!

Posted by: reaganfan | Feb 19, 2008 11:54:24 PM

So Jen, I would say it is safe to say you are an Obama supporter...lol

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:54:56 PM

If Barack is the nominee then McCain will cream him in the GE. No doubt about that. Democrats who are looking for change need to look at someone that has the experience to make change or else the republican will cruise to victory on 2 points - security of the country and experience to handle world's events as it occurs.

Posted by: kim | Feb 19, 2008 11:56:15 PM

Reganfan:
You and I both know why she lost big. The Indies and Repubs came out in full force for Obama. She won 63% of the straight Democratic vote.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 19, 2008 11:56:58 PM

Thank you, Juan. I concur.

Posted by: Robin | Feb 19, 2008 11:59:03 PM

So far close to a million democratic votes in Wisconsin, and only 350,000 plus Republicans votes. I am willing to be 200,000 of Obama's votes came from the opposition.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:04:42 AM

Jay - If the FL and MI do get seated, it will only be by a scenario of 50/50. They broke the rules, and no one campaigned for votes. Having candidate names off the MI ballot hurts any chance of FL being treated differently. Pelosi has indicated she may allow the 50/50, but nothing else.
The math tends to indicate at least a lead of 140-150 pledged delegates for Obama going to convention. That, and the number of states won by Obama, plus his acceleration in the various demos will likely tilt the supers to Obama. I don't see Clinton settling for the VP slot. She's said she'd rather return to the Senate and a leadership position there. It's true the Dems are split in their affections, but contrary to the early campaign, it's just not adding up as Clinton's year. I personally think this is a good thing, as most people expect the blue states to remain blue, and Obama may be able to swing some purple states around. It's really a good thing, not the end of the world.

Posted by: Kevin | Feb 20, 2008 12:04:52 AM

Jay --"She can still pull even on March 4th, and leads in superdelegates and will leads in votes once Florida and Michigan are seated. Why should she concede now?" --- IF Florida and michigan are seated, it will be 1968 all over again.. that sort of underhanded backdoor bargaining to take the nomination away from the person who was voted into it will split the democratic party in half... How bad does she want the nomination.. bad enough to destroy her own party?

Posted by: givemeabreak | Feb 20, 2008 12:08:45 AM

I hope you're calculation are wrong Kevin, but if your man OBama wins the Democratic nomination, do you think he will have a chance in hell against McCain, when all of Hillary's supporters will be voting for McCain in the general?

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:09:53 AM

Jay - I don't really believe most Clinton supporters will actually vote for McCain. People are emotional and say things. How many disappointed people moved to Canada/Nepal when Bush got re-elected? This too shall pass.

Posted by: Kevin | Feb 20, 2008 12:12:34 AM

Sorry Kevin, I am all of my family and friends are Clinton supporters, and we will all vote for McCain. Mr. Obama scares the hell out of me, and I have researched him with an open mind. He is not presidential material.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:15:38 AM

Jay --"Sorry Kevin, the Florida results will stand in Hillary's favor . She won by over 300,000 votes," --- Ummm, that would be because she was the only one on the ballot... the other two stood with the DNC's request and did not run their and did not have their names on the ballot.. If the delegates are now given to Clinton for basically disobeying the DNC and running after the primaries were sanctioned.. It will be a great example of the Clinton willingness to do anything to get their way.. and it WILL be very detrimental to the party..

Posted by: givemeabreak | Feb 20, 2008 12:15:46 AM

Just words? Watch out folks, really change is here. Isn't this fresh? How long has it been since we have seen something this phenomenal? Despite all the talks about the Republican political machine. Hold on to hope. It is a terrible thing to lose. GO OBAMA. YES WE CAN

Posted by: Lambert | Feb 20, 2008 12:17:57 AM

Sorry Giveabreak. You are incorrect. All the nominees names were on the Florida ballot and no one ran ads or campaigned there except Mr. Obama, you must be thinking of Michigan.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:18:01 AM

The D.O.A Leadership in the Whitehouse for the pass 7 going on forever years is a huge reason why the G.O.P will Have ,to coin a phase a rainy night in Georgia,come november...

Posted by: Lee Davis | Feb 20, 2008 12:20:28 AM

Jay - So be it. I can respect that.

Posted by: Kevin | Feb 20, 2008 12:21:45 AM

rachelfarleigh,

I want the Democrats to win the White House, But you are seriously underestimating the Republican Party political war machine they want Obama to win the nomination because they know they will shred him to pieces during the campaign to the White House. Karl Rove will have Field Day tearing Obama into little pieces and once again securing the White House for the Republicans. I'm for the Democrats and I want the Democrats to win, but because the Democrats are split 50/50 in nominating their candidate, the Republican political war machine will use that to their advantage to defeat Obama in the General Election. The Republicans are not split 50/50 and they will back McCain in very high numbers with their money and votes to defeat Obama.

Posted by: John | Feb 20, 2008 12:25:51 AM

Kevin- I sure hope there can be unity in the party. If they are both on the ticket and Obama is at the top, I can live with that, but Obama by himself is still an unknown, and I wish I could believe in what he says, but I am not a kid, and I am from Chicago. I Have heard all of the rhetoric and fancy speeches before. I want to keep our country safe, and becoming prosperous once again, as it was in the Clinton years.
Thanks for being respectful and able to disagree civilly. You are rare in that respect.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:26:12 AM

Put the fork in, she's done. Hillary for the third time failed to congratulate Obama on his victory. Also, as usual, she got out of town and never thanked those who fought the ice and cold to vote for her. HILLARY HAS A LOT OF CLASS - BUT IT'S ALL LOW.

Posted by: Randle Bate | Feb 20, 2008 12:28:38 AM

Jay, you are so right. and i'm one of the millions of hillary supporters who will vote for mccain in an instant. obama is a cocky, undeserving, media-created jerk and would be worse for the country than bush. and that's saying quite a lot. also, the repubs are very smartly voting for obama in the dem primaries and caucuses, since he will be so easy to beat (no, cultists, you aren't right that he's the one who will be hard to beat). but repubs certainly won't do so against an actual repub. and obamaites think current polls tell the story, but they haven't learned a thing from history. obama is this year's mcgovern. and mcgovern only won one state. i voted for mcgovern, so i know of what i speak - we dems are extremely talented at picking the absolute worst candidate and getting our behinds kicked.

Posted by: so saddened | Feb 20, 2008 12:29:26 AM

Hilary is the only candidate who's name was on the ballot in Michigan and she's the only one who broke her promise and campaigned in Florida. IF they seat Michigan and Florida delegates it will be because they hold last min caucuses and they'll get half their allotted delegates. In the primary when Barack held up his promise not to campaign in Florida he lost to Clinton by 20 points. She just lost to him by 17 in a state she spent three days in, plenty of advertising money, a bogus plagarism attack, and also sent in Bill and Chelsea. A last min caucus in Florida will not net her many delegates.

If Clinton doesn't win Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania by at least double digits (some reports are saying she needs 65%) she won't be close enough in pledged delegates for it to make a difference.

I am thrilled by the possibility of a candidate in the GE that I'm actually excited to vote for, rather than the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: Brandyn | Feb 20, 2008 12:29:29 AM

Also - I live in Nebraska a consistently conservative state, and I have been told by MANY Republicans that they will vote for Obama.

Posted by: Brandyn | Feb 20, 2008 12:32:19 AM

Brenden. Let's be honest. There was a huge crossover vote to keep Hillary from winning Wisconsin. That is just obvious. After the whole count is over he will have won 12 more delegates than Mr. Clinton. So this was not a must win for either of them.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:34:31 AM

A couple people here have posted that the Democratic Party will seat (meaning count) the Florida and Michigan delegates.

Not a chance in hell of that happening --- and for Clinton to be pushing for it is embarrassing.

Obama is the most electrifying politician to come along in a generation or more, and barring something whacky happening he is far better positioned to beat McCain in the Fall.

Come the general election, he'll get essentially all of Hillary's votes, plus an incredible number of Independents, plus there will be a huge turnout.

Hillary running against McCain (who'd be smart to pick a conservative woman VP) doesn't stack up so well for Democrats, I'm afraid. She could win, but there's a good chance she'll lose, and if her shenanigans continue then she will NOT get all of Obama's support come the Fall, and there will not be the record turnouts Obama would deliver.

I like Hillary, but we're not about dynasties in America, or right now it sure feels like we shouldn't be.

Obama has my vote. Hillary has my next vote. McCain will never ever get my vote.

Posted by: Johnny | Feb 20, 2008 12:40:10 AM

Jay - To be fair, Obama should pick up 15 more del.s in WI tonight and an extra 5-6 in HI. Adding those 20 to the current 133 puts Obama up by about 150 in pledged delegates. On the bright side, McCain picked up all 31 delegates! (that's good-natured ribbing).

Posted by: Kevin | Feb 20, 2008 12:41:22 AM

Brandyn: I have to keep you honest here because a lot of Obama supporters re write history. Hillary did not campaign in Florida. She only went there after the polls closed. Mr. Obama was the only candidate to run commercials in the state of Florida tied to his national campaign.

Now as far as Nebraska, which is an awesome state, why would conservatives, votes for the most liberal Senator on record?

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:41:31 AM

Anthony in Texas, are you voting for Obama because you think it is over for Hillary? Do you believe he can effect change? If so, please tell me how?

Posted by: Jim | Feb 20, 2008 12:42:11 AM

You Obama supporters are delusional. Most Hillary supporters, like me, are so disgusted by the hateful, vile, obnoxious and childish rhetoric that Obama supporters spew about our candidate that just seeing Obama's face on the tv makes us turn the channel so as not to barf.

Posted by: JustOneChris | Feb 20, 2008 12:45:18 AM

lol Kevin. so far with 93% of precincts reporting is it Obama 38 Clinton 27. There are only 74 delegates to be awarded, so I will stand by my 12 figure with only 9 delegates left to award. I might give you 13, but 15 is a stretch.

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:45:20 AM

Johnny, this is not about dynasties. It is about who is the best person for the job of President and Commander in Chief. Which candidate is best suited for the job? Who could get things done. All the reasons you are voting for Obama have nothing to do with the issues.

Posted by: Jim | Feb 20, 2008 12:45:45 AM

Hillary is just mean (and Phony).

The Clintons will do whatever it takes and look for a Dirty back room deal by the Clintons!

Posted by: Joe | Feb 20, 2008 12:46:38 AM

OMG - Senator Obama won with a 17 point margin in Wisconsin? Wow. Goodbye Senator Clinton. Yes we can!

Posted by: TurtleWedge | Feb 20, 2008 12:48:46 AM

Joe, thanks for proving my point. You Obama supporters are disgusting. How do you actually think we could support you or your candidate after say that nasty stuff about someone we highly regard and believe in? You are delusional!

Posted by: JustOneChris | Feb 20, 2008 12:49:27 AM

Joe, with all due respects, this is politics, not Disney on Ice. Do you think Mr. Obama is clean???? Keep digging.
He is trying to buy, steal, and claw his way to the top just like Hillary

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:50:18 AM

Jay - Actually, the ad ran by Obama in Florida was forced as he purchased a nationwide ad package from a major network which was not selective to not run it in Florida. He didn't actually push Florida in any way and he did no campaigning. Hillary did have fund-raisers before and after in Florida (though small and kept quiet) and she WAS the only one on the ballot and the only one to campaign in Michigan. Everyone, including Hillary, not only agreed to to not campaign there but that their delegates should not be seated. Now that she realizes that if they aren't seated her chances are greatly reduced on winning this nomination, she's begging and pleading and making it seem like its because she cares about the citizens of those states. Well, she doesn't... she just cares about the delegates that she won't be getting from them. As far as Obama is concerned, to all of those who said "what is his idea of change?" or "what are his stances on policies?" I sure hope you paid attention to his speech tonight. Though long, the speech made sure to add a serious tone that so many felt was missing and stated his position on numerous issues. While he doesn't have 36 years (I'd like to see Hillary prove that number) of experience, experience isn't everything. Google's CEO's didn't have experience in running a major company, nor Microsoft. The same goes with people like Gahndi, or Martin Luther King Jr.... The founding fathers of our country didn't have experience with starting a country, let alone running one and inspiring its citizens to rise up against that which was wrongly oppressing them. Well, we see where that got us?

Also, in reference to the recent attack methods from Hillary, which is trying to be scandalous (how surprising).. Hillary tries to bash Obama for stealing a line from a speech he was permitted to use when literally 2 sentences after she makes a statement about that she uses an identical line from Obama's speeches and just changes the construction of the family who gave her money.

Posted by: ilforobama | Feb 20, 2008 12:50:33 AM

It ain't over but it ain't good but I'll hang with you Hillary as far as you can take it.

They will never seat FL and MI they can't it will create a riot and guarantee the collapse of democrats in November. The DNC screwed that up the big stick approach was always going to be a mistake.

Hillary can pull it out (long shot)but Barack is doing a nice non committal two step with immigration to try and get the Latino vote.

What I think is woeful is that Republicans in Texas are being encouraged to go and vote for Barack because they aren't restricted from doing so. Why because they think he is the November easy beat. So Ito use your words Barack I wonder what they have in their "dump truck" for you??????

Posted by: Not Me | Feb 20, 2008 12:53:30 AM

Jay - most of the outstanding precincts are in Milwaukee, Eau Claire, and Clark County, so we'll see.

Posted by: Kevin | Feb 20, 2008 12:53:40 AM

You know the moment you start reading posts talking about "faith in Hillary", "forge ahead" and "it ain't over till it's over" you know it really is over. Her defeat in Wisconsin was a devestating defeat in a rust belt state she should have won. Problem with Hillary is that she's campaigning on a resume she really doesn't have.

Posted by: Peter Cannady | Feb 20, 2008 12:54:35 AM

Jay, what do you mean Disney on Ice? I was asking why my postings were deleted just because I am against Hillary. By the way, tongiht, we are huge majority in Wisconsin.

Posted by: Joe | Feb 20, 2008 12:54:38 AM

ilforobama: You still have it biased. Funds raisers were allowed by the DNC and both Obama and Mrs.Clinton did them. Please, if you want to discredit Mrs. Clinton and gush over Mr. Obama, at least get the real facts straight. Why is that so hard? Why does every Obama supporter gives erroneous information about Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:55:12 AM

No more Bill. No more Hillary. I'm definitely looking forward to this summer when this becomes reality. Go Hillary! (away that is).

Posted by: ctom2008 | Feb 20, 2008 12:55:16 AM

I'm am sick and tired of the HRC maniacs calling me a brain washed cultist. I made my decision long ago based on the candidates records and issues. HRC doesn't have this incredible wealth of experience that impresses me. Health care? She had 8 years to do it and fouled it up with her abrasiveness and arrogance. Whats different now? Plus the line that the are republican attack machine tested is a lie. Bill is, and by the way he won due in large part to his charisma and speaking skills. I cast my vote in Wisconsin for Obama, and I am one of these crossover votes alluded to, but I have no intention in pulling the lever for McCain.

Posted by: Goofus | Feb 20, 2008 12:55:20 AM

Joe, I was referring to you saying Mrs. Clinton is mean and plays dirty. I said this is politics, not some New York fashion show. Both play dirty, and I would expect it of both of them.

Yes, I congratulate Mr. Obama on his 17 point win and 12 more delegates in Wisconsin. Lot's more campaigning and delegates to go!!!

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 12:57:44 AM

Jim, you wrote:

"All the reasons you are voting for Obama have nothing to do with the issues."

When did I say anything about issues?

Actually, I'm impressed with Obama on the issues. Let's take two examples.

Cuba and Venezuela. My opinion is that Obama could and would reach out to each country --- as any president should --- and begin a long term dialogue. I bet Obama would talk directly to Chavez and say basically that, "hey, let's have a long term relationship", and be able to (over time) smooth things over. He would be willing to begin to build bridges with Cuba, which embarrassingly Bill Clinton never tried to do.

Hillary is ready to be attacked by the right day one. She is very polarizing (like it or not it's true) and they'd be on her like white on rice.

I think Obama has the sense and style to just maybe get around some of that crap, and I think it's time to turn the page and move on from Bush-Clintons.

Posted by: JohnnyP | Feb 20, 2008 12:58:16 AM

You Hillary people better get home and feed your dinosaurs. Get you head out and enjoy some fresh air.

Posted by: Walter Devore | Feb 20, 2008 12:58:18 AM

Kevin wrote: "Jay - I don't really believe most Clinton supporters will actually vote for McCain. People are emotional and say things. How many disappointed people moved to Canada/Nepal when Bush got re-elected? This too shall pass."
You are right but people might give up their right to vote if they don't know the candidate's background very well. Don't expect all the DEM will support Senator Obama blindly. Election is not a game - "YES, WE CAN" or "NO, YOU CAN'T". It involves the future of US and many lives of our brave soldiers who risk their lives to protect us.

Posted by: stock_craft | Feb 20, 2008 12:59:32 AM

ilforobama, CEOs and Presidents are different. We elect a President. CEO's are chose by a Board. What are his positions? How is he going to effect them? Does have a track record in effecting his positions? This is important because you can take any charismatic person and put him up there to say the right things. But can he deliver? I don't think so. He has no record of delivering. How is he going to change the mind of Congress if they do not agree with him? Lobbyists are not going away. How is he going to deal with them? If you look at his Senate voting records, he seems to not take a position.

Posted by: Jim | Feb 20, 2008 12:59:52 AM

To those of you who say Obama can't stand up against the Republican War Machine, take note. He has run against the biggest War Machine in the Democratic Party (the Clintons, who I like, but am getting fatigued with) and he leads in popular vote, states, and delegates. Enough for not standing tough. And he has stayed on message throughout the campaign with the same theme and slogan. Hillary has lost hers - or maybe never had it. Hey, we went with the Dem establishment in 2000 and 2004 and both times they ran poor campaigns and lost to the likes of Bush! We can't afford that again. I ask you, how long has it been since you have seen this kind of genuine excitement in Democratic party?

Posted by: Lee | Feb 20, 2008 1:02:14 AM

The Democrats have the opportunity to elect one of two brilliant politicians to the White House and you spend your time spewing nasty invective about each other's candidates instead of rejoicing at the magnificent and historic choice you have.

As a Republican, I can't help but shake my head and be glad that you all are going to manage to screw-up an election that was practically handed to you.

Posted by: Travis Johnson | Feb 20, 2008 1:06:12 AM

I found it funny that Hillary supporters say that if you put Obama on the ticket, than even Democrats are going to vote for McCain.

While the fact it, if you put Hillary on ticket, Democrats are going to vote for McCain. I am sorry it sounds harsh, but people HATE Hillary. For those who don't support Obama, they don't hate him. Let me repeat, people HATE Hillary, not Obama. For those who don't support him, they just didn't like him enough, no one hates him, but plenty hates Hillary.

So what's funny is, if Hillary is nominated, Democrat WILL LOSE; yet her campaign tries to convince you that if Obama is nominated, Democrat will lose. It shows you how at all expense she will want to win this nomination, even if that means her party will lose.

Posted by: Tiff | Feb 20, 2008 1:07:08 AM

JohnnyP, why would Chavez listen to Obama over Clinton? As for Cuba, Hillary will be the President and not Bill. Just because Obama calls, doesn't mean Chavez has to listen. This is where all of the Obama supporters will feel duped. Right now, he just has to promise to do things. When it comes down to it, can he deliver? I think Hillary can deliver better than Obama.

Posted by: Jim | Feb 20, 2008 1:07:42 AM

Kevin- It was great debating with you tonight, but it's getting late and I have to go home a feed my dinosaur. She is a T-Rex and her name is Hillary..lol
And after losing 12 delegates tonight, she is hungry....

Posted by: Jay | Feb 20, 2008 1:07:53 AM

Plus we'll get a good look at how Obama will stand up to the Republican attack machine in the next two weeks. I've noticed the tenor of the HRC attacks are beginning to track very closely to a Rove narrative. Tonight she invoked the specter of terrorism and asked if we feel safe with Obama as CINC. Next, she'll probably announce she's selecting fellow New Yorker Rudy Guilliani as her running mate.

Posted by: Goofus | Feb 20, 2008 1:08:33 AM

Travis, we are rich in choices. This stuff here is just hard