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Clinton Over Obama Among California Latinos
February 05, 2008 11:24 PM
ABC News' Gary Langer Reports: Hillary Clinton won overwhelming support among Hispanic voters in California, while Barack Obama narrowly led among whites -- 49 to 43 percent -- and claimed about eight in ten black voters.
About three in 10 primary voters -- 29 percent -- were Hispanic, a record share of Latinos in a California Democratic primary electorate. They've never before exceeded 17 percent in California.
Obama ran particularly strong among white men, beating Clinton 60 to 33 percent while losing to Clinton among white women 53 to 40 percent.
Clinton did particularly well among older Latinos, beating Obama 78 to 21 percent among Hispanics 60 or older. And she cut into one of Obama's strongest groups -- younger voters -- claiming 47 % of those 18-29 to his 51 percent.
About eight in 10 California Democratic primary voters were rank-and-file Democrats, and they went solidly for Clinton -- 55 to 41 percent. Half were liberals, dividing their votes equally between Obama and Clinton.
As for the Republicans, unlike most states where the economy dominates as the top issue, it runs just slightly ahead of immigration. 33 percent call the economy their top issue; 29 percent, immigration.
And there a sharp difference in vote preference among these two groups: in preliminary exit poll results, a 12-point lead for McCain among economy voters; a wider lead for Romney among those who cite immigration as their top issue.
McCain was hurt in California by a lower turnout among moderates, who make up 27 percent of voters, than in previous GOP primaries in the state. Conservatives accounted for 63 percent, and Romney had a wide lead among them -- 48 percent to 32 percent for McCain and 12 percent for Huckabee.
Romney also held a narrow edge among mainline Republicans, 41-37 percent over McCain. Independents favored McCain by 43-29 percent.
The race may be something of a reflection of voters views of the generally popular Governor Schwarzenegger, who has about a two-thirds approval rating among California Republicans. Those who approve of the job the governor is doing go for McCain by a huge margin, whereas those who disapprove pick Romney by about 3 -1.
McCain also did considerably better in the more liberal San Francisco area, and Romney in more conservative Southern California region.
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Not a smart move for them, when she doesn't want to give illegals licenses.
Posted by: areuserious | Feb 5, 2008 11:45:21 PM
Hillary won't help the Latino community. She'll say she will, but it'll only be symbolic.
What has she supported to help them in the past?
It's more interesting to note that across large parts of predominantly 'white' states--the black man is dominating. The Clinton argument that he is a 'black candidate' sure doesn't look accurate across the Midwest. I suspect that Hillary will now come up with a new attack, say she wasn't attacking, and will set up another meeting with 'independent female voters' to cry for a third time.
Posted by: Jim | Feb 6, 2008 12:02:11 AM
Like Iv'e said, this IS the most exciting election, in my lifetime.
I'm hoping that Hillary Clinton gets a far chance, since the media has been playing favorites with other canidates
not giving Hillary the support she deserves. Hopefully the people will see what a strong, tough, quailified person she is, Hillary has heart, I wish her the best!
ta
hb
Sunnyvale CA
Posted by: harleyblues | Feb 6, 2008 12:12:26 AM
How is Hilary more qualified? What government experience does she have other than her current term in the Senate?
Posted by: Jim | Feb 6, 2008 12:16:20 AM
Blue,
Great point responsibility is important in
to be president and the number of years he allowed the tickets to go unpaid is depressing. Especially if he is going to be responsible for the United States.
Posted by: V | Feb 6, 2008 12:19:48 AM
Senator Clinton
is more more quailified on many levels than Obama, and her record reflects this. She has been in the White House for starters, has years of experience domestic & abroad. She is trust worthy and passionate in my book, not to mention effective. I have no doubts in Hillary's capabilities.
hb~
Posted by: harleyblues | Feb 6, 2008 12:41:35 AM
Give me a break - unlike Kennedy who has no loyalty and actually did not help Obama in Mass. The Hispanics were loyal to someone they trust ...Obama has done nothing for the Latin community and basically ignore them until they were needed...then opted to go after them. The Latin Communities remember the Clinton name..
Posted by: delee | Feb 6, 2008 12:56:11 AM
Obama really deserves credit for all his wins..a man who begins from scratch against a well known name and as managed to give her a run for the race, ofcourse the mail in ballot poll in California seems to have played an important part too, it happened about 3 weeks when Clinton was leading in the polls big time.
Obama is definitely the name in years to come..and its time American community at large wakes up and realise that they need a change and one in a positive direction...if they dont they know what they got for bush having gotten a second term.
GO OBAMA !
Posted by: Taruna | Feb 6, 2008 12:59:03 AM
As far as Experience she worked in Congress for years working as a volunteer on various issues before she was voted into the Senate..she worked with both parties for years in a National sector...then she was later elected to the Senate...she has a great record ...Obama's experience is much less check you facts...he worked in the State while Hillary was involved in a National setting...change requires experience not inexperience only brings problems ... best ticket is Hillary President - VP Obama
Posted by: dellee | Feb 6, 2008 1:02:29 AM
I just listened to Sen Obamas speech. Do I detect some bitterness. He was such a connvivial happy chappy when he thought it was going his way. What happened to the classy non-negative guy everyone keeps telling me about. For the record Sen Obama I wasn't secretly afraid to vote for you. I didn't want to so please don't assume otherwise. It comes across as arrogant. For the record I enjoyed your "2004 conventon speech" and spoke glowingly of it I enjoyed your "yes we can speech" and admired your oratory skills. Listening to you tonight I had one problem your speeches all start to sound the same. You are startingto sound like a revival preacher.I was I was waiting for the Amens and Alleluias and waving of arms. I already attend church I don't need any more sermons it felt a bit like if you don't side with me you are doing the work of the devil and are on the road to damnation. It didn't seem uplifting to me in fact I think it is a style that can get very tiring when heard often. You had a great result today hard fought and well earned but your snide remarks tainted that and I am dissapointed you dropped your facade I think.
Posted by: Thats it for me | Feb 6, 2008 1:35:31 AM
I do not trust a person who is wedded to becoming powerful. Hillary has never stood on her own two feet, never. She would not be Senator of New York without Bill Clinton, who abused their relationship horribly. What kind of role model is she? If she had blown him off six years ago, and carved a life for herself, I would be impressed. She is a power hungry person, for whom I have little respect.
Posted by: Bob | Feb 6, 2008 2:47:50 AM
I agree with you HarlyBlue. People did not give her enough credit. It is double standard. When she shown her emotional side, people discredited as it as real. Give her a break! When she show her toughness, then people discredited her lack of warmness. She has overcom so many hurddles. I salute to her.
Posted by: Give her a break | Feb 6, 2008 2:50:56 AM
Nobody is talking about what is obvious to anybody who spends anytime in latino communities. There is a lot of racial tension between hispanics and blacks, and I can't believe that that is not playing a part here. That's not to say that all latinos are voting against Obama because he's black, but given the well known tensions that exists between blacks and hispanics, it must be playing some role.
Can anybody think of a valid reason why such overwhelming hispanic support is going to Hillary despite the absolute irrationality of it given her positions?
Posted by: Jonathan | Feb 6, 2008 2:54:47 AM
Both of these candidates are just pandering again! Illegal immigration is just what the name says, "ILLEGAL". So any candidate pandering to the latino voters for anything other than support of latinos that are here legally, is condoning the flood of illegal immigrants that is now plagueing this country. And neither Clinton or Obama will deal with the situation. I wonder just how many "legal" voters showed as opposed to votes from individuals who I am quite sure used false ID to vote for the democrat that wants amnesty. That's how McCain beat Romney, he want's amnesty for illegals here already. In the long run amnesty will cost the US more in $$$ than deporting as many as we can now. All I can say is NONE of the candidates has the cajones to initiate a mass deportation as illegals are caught in droves. Load them up like cattle since that's how they got here and drop them off on the other side of the border.
Posted by: joe nunn | Feb 6, 2008 2:57:14 AM
everyone is arguing about specific little details about each canidate when they fail to realize that it's going to take more than 1 person to change this country after the mess the bush admistration left. we the people have to come together, who have the same views, let it be know what we need. and do something about it. i've listened to both obama and clintons recent videos, and while obama was talkin about the mountains and valley's coming together(whatever that means)and reading his note cards about the tragedies in Arkansas and Tennessee. Hillary is putting still across her statement of what needs to be done and actually addressing that tragedy was tornadoes and people died. She is putting out way more details if u listen and not addressing "i love you"s from the audience. (thats kinda love got Bill in trouble) I actually was torn between either our first black or our first woman president (cause the demicrates will win). i believe in equality and my freedom and our country needs this change. But being a hispanic lesbian woman, Hillary is OFFERING alot more of what i need for Change in the America i live in.!!!!!!
Posted by: Once Torn!! | Feb 6, 2008 4:18:50 AM
The Democratic party primary really proves that race/gender really do matter.
Posted by: Phil | Feb 6, 2008 8:38:06 AM
The Democratic party is the most divided racist party in the world. In places where there is a black majority it should be called the BLACK Democratic party.
Posted by: Race Card | Feb 6, 2008 8:47:35 AM
Hillary is the genuinely best candidate for all Americans. She has the votes from the whites, some blacks in the Southern states, the Latinos and the Asians. She is the best candidate to beat the Republican. She has been tested for decade in the public media, and she comes out strong and tough. She has clear details plans for this country to meet the current problems. The economy,health care, terrorism and immigration. On the other hand, Obama is full of empty talk. His speeches start to sound like a revival preacher. He promises are just empty promisses with no road maps to deliver them. He is arrogant to think that his oratory skills will blind the voters.
Posted by: tigerjcs | Feb 6, 2008 9:10:48 AM
Why and how? This is a joke. Obama will be the best candidate for latinos.
Posted by: why and how | Feb 6, 2008 10:12:11 AM
It's time to move forward in this country. Our major mistake will be moving back to the Clintons. With the nastiness displayed by the Clintons, to win by any means necessary, they have fractured the party. The party will be united in November backing McCain for President. The only votes Hillary will get are the same ones she got in the primary. I know I won't be voting for her, as I would rather have a president that can unite, not tear down the party just to get elected.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Feb 6, 2008 10:13:20 AM
Terry,
You want to talk about scandals? Let's talk about the Clinton's then -- if you think she's going to win this thing in November, you have got to be joking. The Reps will bring up so many cobwebs you won't be able to see anymore. Talking about scandals...funny...
Posted by: why and how | Feb 6, 2008 10:14:17 AM
in this article discussing the racial breakdown of voters in california, i am amazed that only 3 races factor in: black, white and latino. last time i checked, there was a huge asian population in cali. if this presidential race is so much about race, why haven't asians been mentioned at all?
Posted by: seoulsonyk | Feb 6, 2008 10:36:10 AM
I just love how the non latino's know how we Latinos should feel and whom we should vote for. I mean where would we be if we didn't have Obama's college kids telling us how we should think. Go Hillary!
Posted by: irma | Feb 6, 2008 11:19:59 AM
When I think about the offensive nature of the Clinton attack machine and Hillary's win in California, I'm reminded of the conduct of the directors of a museum in San Diego -
Posted by: Sarah | Feb 6, 2008 12:35:44 PM
Hey don't knock on Obama and McCain. IMHO, there should be a McCain/Obama ticket. The two of those guys together would clean up. Identity politics would not be a factor. And even if it did on some level, her base of: women, elderly and Hispanics would not be enough to overcome a humiliating defeat.
Just look at the votes from last night. Project those numbers onto a McCain/Obama ticket. You have half Dems. mixed in with Indeps. and 100% Republican support, imagine those vote totals. Image a huge loss.
McCain/Obama the only way to go.
Posted by: Todd W. | Feb 6, 2008 1:38:04 PM
Hillary better thank her lucky stars for Hispanics. They, some of them, saved her!! She owes them big. I wonder how she will repay them?
Doesn't matter because she did well overall, but dam- I expected her to do much better. The race isn't over as they expected it would be.
Sarah,
Don't worry about it. The attacks didn't work if she only has 8 more delegates than he does. The race is still on. Don't forget, you can still vote against her come Nov. if she is the nominee. There is no reason you have to get behind someone you don't believe in or that you feel is right. Stick to your principles like the rest of us. As far as the "Clinton Machine" I think it's time they retired that. This guy, a Junior Senator, took on the attack machine and is still in the race. How funny is that? That goes to the intelligence and passion of the voters.
Just goes to show you, not everyone loves Bill and Hillary. Not everyone is buying into that bull about 35 years, I know I didn't.
Posted by: Manuel | Feb 6, 2008 1:50:57 PM
it's so weird that hispanics are on Hillary side ... maybe something going on at the back stage .. maybe she promised something to hispanics leaders.
Posted by: YesToObama | Feb 6, 2008 1:57:02 PM
Congratulations to Sen Clinton for winning California and also for winning more delegates. Her speech last night was awesome. I admire her strength and courage. She did so well despite the obvious Media bias towards Obama. The corporate media is trying so hard to sell an empty box (Obama) by trying to put packaging on it. But at the end of the day, it's still an empty box.
Posted by: Kay | Feb 6, 2008 2:16:38 PM
Hey come on guys lets try and refrain from this divison stuff. We can leave politics of divison to the Clinton campaign, that is what they do best. Besides, Obama got 44% of the Hispanic vote in Az. so that counts for something.
Timing and calendar were not on his side. But he was/is closing on her, fast. She knows it and that is why her campaign was worried like crazy. From looking at the numbers from last night, they had good reason to be worried.
He did good lets remember that. Lets also remember they thought this would have been over with by now! Even some of us thought it would have been over it. It's not over with and the race continues so lets all refrain from the negative.
Obama/McCaskill 08!!!!
Posted by: Tracy | Feb 6, 2008 2:27:45 PM
Tracy I'm on your side. That is a substantial number. NM is still coming in and her campaign predicted the Hispanic vote would put them over top and put him to shame, that is not the case. As of right now in NM they are neck and neck. You have to love politics to appreciate the beauty in all of this. You don't have to like the tactics or the unsavory beast eats man style campaigning but you have to love the game.
Posted by: Brandon | Feb 6, 2008 3:06:33 PM
Borat Obama is gone. Demystified.
Kennedy's are sunk. Debunked.
Hillary WINS all the states that matters!
Experience my man, not words that get my vote. Zogby said polls were 13 up Obama.Gallup said NY state was Obama's.So is Mass.
ALL POLLING business establishments were for an Obama momentum.
Gee, how much money changed hands on Tuesday???????
Paid polling opinion posts for reckless idiots????
Posted by: excel | Feb 6, 2008 3:08:55 PM
Obama is the only logical Democratic choice. He is someone we can believe in, and brings a solid, fresh outlook to US politics.
Our nation cannot affort to turn its leadership over to a woman whose experience rests on being the former 1st Lady. Having a face that America recognizes does not qualify one to lead a nation.
In fact, the track record of the Clintons leaves something to be desired.
What administration will we be left with if Hilary is elected? A re-amassing of the same administration that nearly lead to the impeachment of the a president? Our nation was shamed by the exploits of the Clintons ---- and this kind of public airing of marital strife poorly reflects on the Clinton's ability to be a unified force under the pressures of government life.
I trule
Posted by: edamariel | Feb 6, 2008 3:13:26 PM
Michelle Obama probably will not be the first person to jump on the Hillary Clinton bandwagon if her husband loses the Democratic presidential nomination.
That’s not to say that she wouldn’t work for whoever becomes the eventual Democratic nominee, but the wife of presidential candidate Barack Obama indicated that if her husband doesn’t win, she’d have to take a closer look at Clinton before coming up with an assist.
“I’d have to think about that. I’d have to think about policies, her approach, her tone,” she said in an interview Monday morning on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”................
NOW I ASK....HOW IS THIS STATEMENT ONE TO HELP UNIFY THE DEMOCRATS?....THE OBAMA'S ARE HYPOCRITES
Posted by: Mary | Feb 6, 2008 3:40:40 PM
You're the idiot if you believe a person can come back from 20-35 points down! What sort of person believes that sort of bunk? Don't tell me the polls had you as scared as they had Hillary? Man or woman you are dumb.
As for Hillary, you better not count your eggs before they hatch. Do you think she can win with only the votes she's gotten so far (from her supporters) against the Repubs. come Nov? I guarantee you she won't win. She surely won't if the Dems & Indep. that don't want her vote with the Republicans.
You think Latino’s can help her overcome that deficit? If you do, you better go back to high school and learn basic math. When you're done with high school Mr/Mrs. 3rd grader, enroll in some college courses dealing with statistics and reasoning.
Now take your bile and angry someplace else. We adults would like to engage in meaningful adult conversation.
As per the article, I would prefer less pandering and more inclusion of everyone. I would like a candidate that addresses the needs of everyone. People at the end of the day will have their own picks for their own personal reasons. But, it's not good when candidates seek out any one particular group. So, I'm more encouraged by numbers where there is a even split. I hate to see one sided numbers. After all, there are no one-sided issues.
This has been a great race so far (now that is it back on track with less filth and dirty politics - on both sides), and I look forward to seeing how it will play out (on both sides).
At the end of the day the races are not over and HOPEFULLY there will be a GOOD CANDIDATES ON BOTH SIDES - both Dem and Rep.
Posted by: Howard | Feb 6, 2008 3:44:13 PM
Posted by: Mary,
I don't understand your point. Why would she work for Hillary? Do you think Bill would work for Barack? Or do you think Hillary would work for Barack? There is no rule book saying someone's spouse has to work for their opponent. Name me a spouse that worked for their husbands opponent?
Posted by: Pathetic | Feb 6, 2008 3:48:36 PM
As you can tell by the Super Tuesday results, America is not listening to Oprah (or should I say the "new" Barbara Streisand) or characterless, vindictive Teddy Kennedy or even the press. Instead, Americans are actually watching the debates, cutting through the hype, and reaching their own informed decision. In other words, we will not allow the press and image makers to fool us as they did eight years ago. The stakes are too high. Our nation is in an awful mess and thoughtful thinkers trust Hillary Clinton's judgment and steady hand to steer our nation through its current difficulties. As far as Barack Obama's recent mudslinging, the Republicans have a dossier on you and your family, too, Mr. I'm So Clean. All we really know about you is that a wealthy TV host thinks she can bulldoze and buy your way into the White House. If your recent mudslinging is any indication of your character it's no wonder you and Teddy Kennedy are buddies.
Posted by: Jay | Feb 6, 2008 4:06:09 PM
Looking at the results last night in California and how the Hispanic vote broke for Hillary one could make the arguement that it is SHE that stands a better shot in a general election in California than Obama does versus McCain. It would be pretty ironic if Hillary would win California in a romp but Obama would have to spend time and money there in order to win Hispanics who might gravitate to McCain. So who is more electable?
Posted by: Eric | Feb 6, 2008 5:12:14 PM
I have two things to say:
1. I like Obama and I like Hillary. I support Hillary in 2008 and Obama in 2016. I don't understand why so many Americans use the Hate word when they refer to Hillary. I am a moderate Christian and was taught to not hate people by my mother. I try to be positive and mostly talk issues. I wish others would do the same.
2. Yes, Hillary gave a vote for the war that she probably shouldn't have given. But, you have to understand that the nation was over 70 percent in favor of this war and you would hear such things as "Shock and Awe" CNN. Many of the 70 percenters, thought that the President would naturally get the UN involved and I didn't think the President would actually go in without getting more world support.
Do you remember people like Peter Arnet and others losing there jobs at MSNBC? Of course there was the Hollywood set such as Sean Penn and others that were really blasted in the Media. It was a different time then, and we have forgotten.
I forgive Hillary for making that vote.
Posted by: LL314USA | Feb 6, 2008 5:21:17 PM
I don't believe in pandering or depending on any one particular group but I know you Democrats do so consider this:
Possible outcome 1 (if he is the nom)
He did ok in other states with them, and since word travels fast, he would be just fine - I'm thinking. If he does lose the Hispanic vote, so what. What he loses in them, he can gain in others. The guy is catching on like it or not.
Possible outcome 2 (if she is the nom)
What if all the people that voted against her last night voted with the Repubs? She would lose big time. There won't be enough Hispanics to cover that deficit. If every Hispanic in that stated voted for her, you wouldn't be able to overcome. Not when you factor in IND voters. It will be a massive vote effort to defeat Hillary, Immigration and probably too exact revenge for some.
Being a Repub. I'm personally hoping for number two myself. And don't forget while you all are on the Hillary band wagon, there are many people that are turned off to her. Some as a result of this election, others from years past. I welcome the intro. of new people into the party to defeat Hillary. With Immigration ready to boil up again, with all this talk about Hispanics this and that, you better believe that is coming up again.
So to me, it could go either way. Except for her it looks more grim because he at least has cross party appeal. He can make up his defict, she won't be able to. Sure, women are in love with her now but as time goes, she will sank in the polls and her defeat will come at the hands of many in your own party.
So you might not want to boast to much about the "Hispanic" vote. You will end up eating those words if we can penetrate your party and peel off enough of your base. Thanks to all of you Hillary fans, penetration into your party is becoming easier and easier every single day. People are sick of you all and they are sick of Hillary.
Posted by: Daniel | Feb 6, 2008 6:30:23 PM
Everyone,
Regarless of who wins we should all be thankful we live in a time where a woman and a man of color are running for the top office in the US. Now with that said, we are all "bickering" about little stuff. What we should be planning on now is, if Hillary wins, how do we support her? If Obama wins how do we support him? Republicans have been in office for to long. They got us into the mess we are in now. And look how we are dealing with this. We look and sound stupid. Have we forgotten our core values as Democrats...? Stop complaining like little girls (no offense to any women) and lets support one another regardless of who you voted for.
Posted by: C. Brown | Feb 6, 2008 6:47:56 PM
This is another reason we have to get tough on our borders. These people have systematically screwed up their own country and then they come here, vote for Hillary, and try to screw up our country!
HURRY UP WITH THOSE WALLS !!!!
Posted by: Dave Peck | Feb 6, 2008 8:01:32 PM
Hispanic and Black Democrats don't get along. They compete with one another in the same neighborhoods for economic and political power, and the Hispanic community is discovering that Black elected leaders tend to look out for their own race first.
This is why 80% of Black voters are going to Obama, despite the fact that the Clintons did so much for them and all Obama has done is make promises.
Hispanics don't trust Blacks, based on the infighting and the racial loyalty. I'm completely unsurprised that they're gravitating to Hillary instead. She may not be Hispanic, but she's not Black either.
Obama, if he continues to draw 80-90% of Black support, will realize that such racial loyalty is a serious drawback in the general election. American voters won't support someone that they perceive has gotten ahead by appealing to their race.
Posted by: J Cline | Feb 7, 2008 9:08:16 AM
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