That's the way campaigns are?

You mean, all these people stiff the vendors they use? I find that hard to believe.

This is what I know when Bill was in office I had a daughter going to college which I never got to do coming from a working class family ny son had just got out of The Navy after being in the first gulf war found a job making $11.00 hr. in 94 and by 96 was making 27.00 now he has been re trained goes to school and makes $13.00 so we had it better when they were in office and NAFTA was a Bush plan in 1992 he signed itbut as the norm Clinton takes the blame be cause he also signed it

And Obama has a problem with the truth

Gore lost 2000 because of the mess created by Bill and Hill during their presidencey. Nader added his litle contribution to the scenarion. Obama has done what is appropriate. 35 years of experience includes Wall Mart and NAFTA, Hillary has to accept that situation. Ohio, Texas Rhode Island, Vermon and Pensilvania understand very well the consequences of NAFTA and the Hillary Care.

The truth is, the NAFTA Agreement was signed by Bill Clinton on Sept. 14 1993.
Sen. Clinton has always touted her 35years of experience and this includes her years in the White House. This is Hillary Clinton’s voting record on the NAFTA issue.

1) She voted yes to free trade agreement with Oman, Ref. United States - Oman Free Trade Agreement: Bill S.3569: Vote number 2006-190 on June 29, 2006.

2) She voted yes on establishing Free Trade Agreement between US and Singapore. Ref.: US-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act. Bill S.1417/HR 2739: Vote number 2003-318 on Jul. 31 2003.

3) She voted yes on establishing Free Trade between the US and Chile. Ref. US-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation. Act. Bill S. 1416/HR 2738. Vote number 2003-319 on July 31 2003.

4) Voted yes on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. Ref: Bill HJRES51: Vote number 2001-291 on October 3, 2001.

5)She also voted for open trade with China, despite China's substantial human rights violations and evidence to show that NAFTA has caused the loss of millions of US jobs to non-industrial countries and hasn't delivered on the promise of widespread prosperity.

Sen. Clinton speaks about NAFTA saying that she never supported it from day one. The truth is in her voting record. Don't believe what anyone says, just look it up, use the internet to see her voting record on NAFTA. Sen. Clinton, do you think Americans cannot search for your voting records on line? "Sen. Hillary Clinton Shame on you".

Hillary has no clue what she is talking about. As far as I am concerned her statement that:

"states like “President Bush’s state, Texas” were “embarrassed by the scores, so they just made the tests easier.”
The stupid woman just insulted every child and teacher in TEXAS, a state that she dearly needs to win. She is freaking pathetic.

I am a teacher in Texas, and I will be posting her statement in every employee lounge on campus.

Obama is just old style politics with pretty rhetoric. Do his fans really think that he's a uniter? Has he done this in the campaign thus far? He only starting gaining momentum last fall when he and John Edwards ganged up on Clinton, and since then has had the media following him unquestioningly. Now that his momentum may be waning, he distributes flyers that were based on the Harry and Louise ads of the '90s to discredit Hillary's health care plan. Really great uniter.

Bill Clinton cleaned up the terrble mess that the first Bush had made. Now we need Hillary as President to clean up the devasting and even worse mess that George dumb W has made. The only one who can clean up the mess and get this country back on track is Hillary. Obama is a no-nothing opportunist, who uses dirty tricks right from the Republican play book

Nader running will creat serious problems for all the candidates both Republicains Democrat. I think they need to stand tougher concentrate well.

Obama does not have a problem with the truth, he just prefers to bend it when it benefits him because he knows that even if he gets caught all he has to do is say he is sorry and the media forgives him. When the time comes for him to say he is sorry, the damage has all ready been done and he benefits. He is not going to change Washington. One of his main supporters is Ted Kennedy, would Ted Kennedy be supporting him if he believed Obama was actually going to "change" Washington? Ted Kennedy IS Washington.

Hillary Has a Lot of Nerve.. Here in Wisconsin she also send out Very negative flyers which I did not appreciate,and Negative TV ads which did Not work.. The Voters have seen through her facade, and she is at the end of her rope and using her rants and raves to undermine Obama.. Shame on You Hillary for subjecting the American Public to hear your drivel.. I hope that once Obama is Nominated, that you and Bill go into retirement and stay out of Politics.. You have done enough damage... Granfromwisconsin

Obama talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk!

Well here we go again. Yesterday Obama rips Clinton for her stand on NAFTA. Today he said we could actually lose jobs if NAFTA goes away. Michelle shoots Obama in the foot over her "proud" statement. I'm an Independant and I don"t see what you Obama supporters see in these two.

Owen Hill-

I am a teacher in NYS and the same thing has happened here. The tests are getting easier each year. I have friends who teach in CT and say the same thing. I think Hillary is telling the truth on this one. I don't think it is a knock against teachers and the students. It is a knock against the idiocy of NCLB and its "standards." I have watched both Clinton and Obama talk about education on CNN's Ballot Bowl. I have to say that as a teacher listening to them talk, she certainly talks more knowledgeably (and of course she should because this has been a lifelong passion for her) and he uses lots of buzz words. One important area that I think educators and family with children need to take note of is that Obama and McCain support merit pay for individual teachers, while Clinton supports it for an entire school based on the whole school's work. For teachers this is an important issue. In order for schools to be successful, teachers have to work as a team, fostering success across grade levels and curriculum areas. If they are forced to compete against each other, it will be horrible for the school community and the students. On the other hand, the idea of school based merit pay is both innovative and will foster the school community rather than tear it apart.

clinton was a foul mess in the white house. we dont want the clintons anymore. They would destroy america and God will never allow them to win the nomination,Impossible. Watch out and see.

Hey, Granfromwisconsin: There is a difference between Obama's flyers and Hillary's. Hillary's contain true facts, Obama's do not. And for you to dismiss her speeches as drivel is unbelievable. She is experienced, accomplished, and passionate in her drive to improve the lives of children and the middle class. For decades she has worked tirelessly on civil rights issues, for neglected, abused, and foster children, for veterans' rights, and to improve the lives of those in the middle class. She is a top-notch patriot who HAS ALWAYS BEEN PROUD OF HER COUNTRY!!

All who are knocking Hillary and Bill for NAFTA well the great Obama has spoken he will not ax it, repeal it of do anything of the sort. lol

So here he is knocking Hillary on it but he cant fix it just like the war Hillary is bad to vote for it, but he is right for voting to fund it lol

What a phony!!!!

It is true that Clinton is bossy and not charming enough, and she has a lot of dirt and problems during her political past. However, supporters may not know Obama enough to be sure that he is a good leader for this country.

Obama supporters may have watched his speeches, his campaign, and some of the supporters may even read his book. These supporters discovered that Obama has an incredibly good heart and intention for this country.

The problem is: People only saw the part of Obama that he would like to show us and share to the public. I admit that Obama is inspiring, charming, and delivers good speeches, but he was protected by some very biased media during this campaign, and he was never examined or tested close enough by the public.

So, Hillary is not concerned about her bills? It's OK to stiff the little guy with thousands of dollars profit? These people have their budgets overextened because they fed, or drove, or rented to Hillary's campaign? That is OK? They don't matter?

That is the point. We, the American people don't matter to her.

It's all about Hillary.

This begins to reach absurd dimensions..
As said above in the article:...........

"When Clinton was challenged and informed that the fliers had been out for months Clinton said with frustration, "I thought it had stopped, I mean we took them on, we took them on when we first learned about them."......

So, she starts a blistering attack to OBAMA regarding a old article circulating for many weeks, containing statements which also were repeated by
him in the debate, because she "THOUGHT"
IT HAD STOPPED !!!?

This besides reeking of sheer desperation of a looser, shows again the incompetence of her extremely high paid advisers...
OM

Yeah, I noticed that, Tom. Also, it comes across as a little arrogant. She just figures is she complains against the flier once, it won't continue to be sent?

The telling thing here is I haven't heard anything specified about what is untruthful about them. I understand they include a Clinton quote that is supportive of NAFTA. Is she now saying she never made the statement?

Honestly, you Obama people are beyond belief. Yes, as stated on a previous ABC blog and checked out by the editors, she never said she supported NAFTA. Where do you guys get your informatio. Probably the Obama website because like your fearless leader, you do not have an original thought. You think that just because he says it, that makes it true. Boy are you gullible. Like him making the statement that he would run his election with public funds, but now that he has made so much money he is backing off of something he originally proposed??????????? Truthful? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, beachnan, if she never said she supported NAFTA, then I'll agree its not a fair flier.

Let me just google Hillary NAFTA for a second and see what I find. Be right back.

Sorry beachnan, but her previous support for NAFTA is easy to find. Here's one excerpt from a Bloomberg article:

At the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she praised corporations for mounting ``a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta.'' She added: ``It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun.''

Clinton ``is committed to free trade and to the growing role of the international economy,'' said Steven Rattner, a Clinton fundraiser and co-founder of Quadrangle Group LLC, a New York buyout firm. ``She would absolutely do the right thing as president.''

I can no longer stand the word "personal" in connection to the calculating Hillary. This woman really makes me feel sick, and I'm a woman myself.

"This is personal to me...."

I'm afraid this 60 years old "girl" has been watching too many soap operas in her life. They have infected her use of language and blurred her sense of realism.

People that are voting for Obama, are just on the stage of enchantment by him. They will regret their vote.
He takes powerful words from other liders. What an original leader he is!!! Words but not substance, sound empty for my ears.
Countries that went from a radical right to a radical liberal or left are in turmoil,just look southamerican countries; but, the countries that opted for a moderate candidate are doig very well, example: Argentina, Chile, Brazil..
I don't understand the psychology of the Obama people. Why in the hell, they think he has the capacity to run a country like this?, Yes he has the audacity, but is he reliable and capable?
His campaign is run talking ONLY on big crowded places, where nobody is going to have the opportunity to ask direct and specific question... Why? because he doesn't have answers
About NAFTA, I don't understand what is wrong with that. Don't forget that because the opening of globalization, we have computers, high tech technology and other benefits. Yes, some manufacturer's are closing, but others are opening. The dynamics of the economy are just like that.
If we are suffering, is because BUsch, with 8 years, did not improve the education, the transition of employees, to educated workers to re-sharper their skills. Other experimented workers went to another countries as a managers and trainers.
So, a global economy is more beneficial than a bad thing.
Obama is accusing Clinton about NAFTA, Ok, but what is he going to do for workers?... That is the question that their supporters and big Unions should ask him, not just give their support.

Maria: "I don't understand the psychology of the Obama people. Why in the hell, they think he has the capacity to run a country like this?"

For starters, Maria, Obama supporters understand the president doesn't run the country. He or she doesn't even run the government.

The president runs the executive branch of the government - and even that line is arguable, because of the bureaucratic influences and semi-autonomous agencies that also play a role.

I am offended by her record. If Hilliary can claim to have "exectutive experience" as first lady, does that mean Eleanor Roosevelt was prepared to lead the country after the death of FDR??? I think NOT.

Her ranting and raving the other day about flyers is the exact reason I will never vote for her. Is that how she will handle opposition leaders from other countries by yelling and screaming? Campaigns get rough and she sure can dish it out but she sure can't take it.

First of all, NAFTA is a Democrat baby...it was launched in 1994, without any media inquiry, without any American REALLY knowing what it was really about...in short, NO public debate.
Republicans, if I can remind you, were VEHEMENTLY opposed to it, but Democrats in true neo-liberal fashion were all for it -- Clinton passed it!

Okay what's so funny about this, is that the fliers actually cited an incorrect quote which was actually retracted by the newspaper. And futhermore when Obama was asked if he would get rid of NAFTA? He said "no"! Okay, this guy is just a politician nothing more and nothing less!

Granmafromwisc, negative "attacks" are not bad, it's the ones that are made up in stump speeches, lies that are spread on paper while espousing a desire to change politics; that's bad. BO has a nerve deceiving people with a false message while practicing Karl Rove politics..The only change he is making, is bringing it into the Democratic Primary.

SPaul, supporting a strong global economy does not mean one supports the loss of American jobs. Hillary has already said NAFTA isn't working, so what's with beating the dead horse? Trying to get it up so BO can keep riding on the thin celebrity status that is currently slipping, now that a lot of people are realizing what an unproven record he really holds while mimicing everyone elses speeches, espousing a philosophy of change in politics while he practices the worst of politics. It's all about him and he'll do anything to win, it's obvious to more people now. top erasing my posts just because they're pro Hillary!

Paul, supporting a strong global economy does not mean one supports the loss of American jobs. Hillary has already said NAFTA isn't working, so what's with beating the dead horse? Trying to get it up so BO can keep riding on the thin celebrity status that is currently slipping, now that a lot of people are realizing what an unproven record he really holds while mimicing everyone elses speeches, espousing a philosophy of change in politics while he practices the worst of politics. It's all about him and he'll do anything to win, it's obvious to more people now.

Irma - like they say, its not the break-in that gets you; its the cover-up... and I suppose the tapes, too.

Hillary is now trying to argue she never was in favor of NAFTA. That certainly seems to be less than truthful.

If she acknowledges she was for it, and now has a revised position based on her recognition of unintended results, she would be much more forgiveable on this point. But she seems incapable of making such a point, and would rather try to recreate history.

It is pathetic that Obama people are tuning against NAFTA, even all other trade agreements. This is definitely not the politics of the future, itwas the politics of the past, oldstyled!

Why didn't he go against NAFTA while in California or NY where NAFTA and in general trade have brought so many benefits to Americans?

WHy don't you do a math counting how many export jobs (many in services sectors) that have been created by trade?

eRIC - I guess Hillary must now be an Obama person, too, because she certainly seems to have turned against NAFTA. In fact, she now claims she was always against it.

Paul, she's not arguing she was never in favor. She is arguing that she never thought it was the best thing. They thought there might be the possiblity of it helping Mexico's economy while solving some of the huge citizen exodus that we have to deal with from Mexico. I remember when the thing was being signed. We gave it a shot, it's not ideal and needs to be tweeked. That's it. Nothing sinister, no lies just a thing that only worked as we hoped, to a degree and other consequences need to be dealt with as Hillary plans.

Paul: No trade agreement is perfect for any single country, it is compromise.

Again it is pathetic to argue who did it wrong. After all, a trade agreement needs to be pased by bth houses and signed into law by the president.

Hillary may have the guts to fight to change it, but it is unlikely to succeed.

But I just feel it is pathetic to blame whoever did work to move forward, and only did it in a way to gain political advantages in OH.

So this is old-fashioned politics, isn't it!, What's new about this type of politics?

On the other hand, McCain said something like ... those jobs won't come back... but help to train for better jobs.... seems sincere to me...

So...

The fact that the Clinton campaign "obtained" a delegate list and cold-calls Obama delegates to try to change their minds isn't a problem for you?

The fact that from Bill to Ed Rendell, race-baiting is the norm for Clinton supporters.

The fact that every state that Clinton has lost is suddenly irrelevant in her eyes isn't a problem for any of you either?

Look, stop drinking the damned kool-aid and realize HRC is up to her eyeballs in Rove-style, old-style dirty politics. You are worried about the wording in a couple flyers and ignoring the obvious: that your candidate has done everything possible to insult, belittle, and marginalize anyone not with her in this campaign.

So when does she plan to start mending these fences if she wins the nomination? Late October? It is already too damned late for me. If she takes the nomination, I'll be sitting this out.

I don't vote GOP because I won't vote for racists. Same rule applies if the Dem candidate drinks from the same well.

She has already said she doesn't want my vote anyways.

Irma: "Paul, she's not arguing she was never in favor."

Someone in her campaign is making that argument. We're seeing things now presented so as to indicate her opposition inside the Bill Clinton campaign.

The problem is there are also quotes showing her support for NAFTA.

No, Paul, you gave the "quotes" you are referring to. So why are you doing an Obama on this and adding twists to tweek it into fitting your point? Hmmmm? Also, John from Las Vegas. Tell me; do you think it's as bad as Jesse Jackson Jr. telling black delegaqtes who support Clinton, that they will go down in history as being the only one to prevent the first black man from becoming president? Because being half black myself, I find it irritating that people are pressuring me to vote black over voting my conscience.

"This is why I have lost faith in the mainstream media: Time Magazine, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, and Los Angeles Times, etc. and the other news channels and outlets are clearly biased for and against certain candidates."

And you forgot millions of Americans. See the light, when you stand alone mayby that's because your wrong!

There is Nothing to be Offended About!
From what I've read the fliers tell
the truth!
Bill Clinton asked the democrat Controlled Congress(both houses) to pass
NAFTA and signed it into law!
Bush #1 only signed a treaty.
Clinton did not have to honor it!
In regard to Hillary's healthcare plan it Does call for Mandatory Compliance
and provides for garnishing of wages for those who don't comply!
These Are The Facts!
Bye Bye Hillary(8 days to go)!

This was posted yesterday on this blog site:

The truth is, the NAFTA Agreement was signed by Bill Clinton on Sept. 14 1993.
Sen. Clinton has always touted her 35years of experience and this includes her years in the White House. This is Hillary Clinton’s voting record on the NAFTA issue.

1) She voted yes to free trade agreement with Oman, Ref. United States - Oman Free Trade Agreement: Bill S.3569: Vote number 2006-190 on June 29, 2006.

2) She voted yes on establishing Free Trade Agreement between US and Singapore. Ref.: US-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act. Bill S.1417/HR 2739: Vote number 2003-318 on Jul. 31 2003.

3) She voted yes on establishing Free Trade between the US and Chile. Ref. US-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation. Act. Bill S. 1416/HR 2738. Vote number 2003-319 on July 31 2003.

4) Voted yes on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. Ref: Bill HJRES51: Vote number 2001-291 on October 3, 2001.

5)She also voted for open trade with China, despite China's substantial human rights violations and evidence to show that NAFTA has caused the loss of millions of US jobs to non-industrial countries and hasn't delivered on the promise of widespread prosperity.

Yes, the truth IS undeniable. Hillary is clearly the best choice for the hard working middle class, afterall she's worth over 50 million dollars, she knows exactly what its like to live paycheck to paycheck. Not to mention those 30 years of experience, such as a corporate attorney for Walmart, her failed attempt to pass universal health care when Bill was in the White House, and dont forget - who do you think was REALLY running the country while Bill was getting it on with Monica Lewinsky?!??! Stop feeling sorry for her, she's just a power hungry egomaniac trying to prove she's better than her cheating husband.

It's completely clear the Obama supporters are hypocritical just like their "fearless" leader. Obama's campaign and he are a farce. You folks are a victim of the greatest "fleecing of America". He has no real accomplishments only charisma and a good speech writer.

Hillary offended by her opponents words on Nafta? ... Actually besides having selective memory Hillary has a problem with the truth

Hillary's reaction to her opponent was a "growl" similar to the GRRRR that cost Howard Dean his campaign. Finally, people can she the true Hillary " flip-flop, mean, mad and screaming"...is this what the country needs? What a mess!

No Irma, I would agree with you that Mr. Jackson is just as wrong as Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, Charles Rangel, et al.

That said, I don't remember Jesse Jackson saying those words with Barack Obama standing next to him silently condoning those words. I *have*, however, seen Hillary Clinton do such.

No one should force you to vote for someone based on their race, or gender, or that they are supposedly "inevitable". If you have truly come to your choice by way of your conscience, congratulations.

That said, I truly have an issue with a campaign that has a not-so-subtle race-baiting context, and if that's what it takes for Hillary Clinton to win, I want no part of it.

As for the "inexperience" and "only words" arguments out there, we Obama supporters continue to point you to read the Blueprint for Change or to listen to a policy speech.

Anyone ever seen HRC field questions from the audience? I wonder whether she has poor hearing or just cannot give a straight answer?