Um, the party leadership in FL and Mich knew, when they went ahead with their voting that it was not going to count. Te candidates agreed to it. Haven't we had enough of changing the rules so that they suit us? If Hills gets her way I am done with the democratic party. They get to vote in the general. The local voters need to remove the current party officials and install new ones.

I haven't seen Obama supporters blaming Clinton for the mess with Florida and Michigan - at least not any than I've seen Clinton supporters blame Obama.

I agree voters in both states have a right to be upset. I think they ought to look at who exactly caused this to happen. I really don't know it was, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't people connected to either campaign.

REMEMBER DADE COUNTY FLORIDA in 2000
What have we learned? Nothing!!!!
If there had been a re-vote in Florida Al Gore might be president today and there might not be am Iraq war.
WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH A RE-VOTE?
If something is broken, then fix it, I don't think any of the voters would complain. They ttok the time out once to have theit voices heard and they would do it again.
Either certify the existing vote in Florida and Michigan or hold new contests. It's not that hard, if the Democrats want what right and what's fair. Any disenfrachised votes is simply UNAMERICAN and wrong.

She sure is a scrapper - I kind of like that! I have started to notice that he whines a lot.

Paul She might net 5-10 delegates.
Hawaii has only 20, so they will probably split.. And Wisconsin has 74, will still be split about 50/50
Hillary is about 136 pledged delegated behind, not counting supers. She is hoping to make up ground by winning Ohio, Texas, and PA by good margins, plus she should win Puerto Rico and Rhode Island, and be competitive in Kentucky and Indiana.
So in essence, there is a lot more campaigning left to do.

NOT ONLY THAT, OTHER CANDIDATES KEPT THEIR NAME IN THE MICHIGAN'S BALLOT, LIKE CHRIS DODD, BIDEN, AND KUCINICH. TOO BAD OBAMA AND EDWARDS CHICKEN OUT AND HILLARY WON. THEY EVEN CAMPAIGN FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE UNCOMMITTED BUT STILL HILLARY PREVAILED. AMERICA IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF A GOOD PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, TOO MANY FORECLOSURES AND HEADING TO RECESSION. JOHN MCCAIN WILL CHEW OBAMA BIG TIME. WAKE UP!!!

OK Louis, I will give you that argument, they all agreed. Fine. My vote doesn't count.

Of course, did they come to us in this state and ask us permission to negate our votes? No. They did not.

But still those were the rules.
So explain, why did Obama violate the campaign rules in Florida and run 112 comcast cable, Broward County Hollywood Pembroke Pines, Ft. Lauderdale, Sunrise, Oakland Park, Plantation, Boca Raton - - and on and on, 112 ads? I saw daily ads for 2 weeks on CNN (ch. 28, comcast cable, Broward).

How do you explain is right to run those ads in clear violation? Clinton did go to Florida afterwards, at a hotel right down the road from me, but that was AFTER THE ELECTION WAS OVER.

She did get our votes in a HUGE landslide that didn't count.

But Obama absolutely, without hesitation, without being able to slough it off, violated the rules and ran those ads. Period.

That is not fair. That is cheating. That is dishonesty. You cannot excuse that, even if the votes do not count, and never do count.

Michigan is another story. All the names were not on the ballot and I don't see anyway they can count them. It is not fair to the folks whose names were missing. Period.

I would love Hillary to win the nomination but I cannot agree that Michigan was a clear choice for her, though the uncomitted totals still lost by 15% which is not a close election.

Florida on the other hand had a cheater, running ads anyway, and he still got destroyed in the head to head matchup.

That's a bunch of bunk, they made every effort to win win win as Cinton always does. Because she lost 8 states is the only reason 'they didn't try hard'. Give me a break. She watches the polls like crazy, that is the ony reason she is in Wisconsin, Texas and Ohio because polls show her ahead. Ever since she's been losing she always wants to look like the victim, the underdog. Well she might be right but we can just leave out that word 'under'.

Senator Clinton and Senator Obama new the rules about Florida and Michigan. Let's stick to the rules, Florida and Michigan should not count!!

Actually, Jordan, that isn't correct. I live in Florida and could not, in good conscience, advocate changing the ruling personally knowing how many people didn't vote. It has zero to do with which candidate would be favored and everything to do with considering a primary legitimate only if we hear from all the people who intended to be heard. That Hillary has stooped to such sleazy tactics (and most of the nation has only heard the better half of this story) has cost her supporters here. She doesn't care about that because even she knows Florida ain't happening. It's already been reviewed by a federal judge who upheld the penalty of stripped delegates. Did you know that? She thinks it makes her look like some kind of champion for the people in the press for the voters yet to vote precisely because the rest of the story is not so well known nationally or understood. I got news -- many Floridians know better.

As a resident of Michigan let me tell you that it IS NOT in Obama's best interest to have a re-election. He has angered the voters (almost into a frenzy) with his comments on how we don't count. Let him come back - he'll learn the meaning of a count!!

Obama is an empty suit with empty rhetoric. We all know that 2/3 of registered democrats support Hillary and at least 30% You Obamacans will jump ship like a bunch of rats to support McCain once she's out. I here allot of you Obamacans saying you will support McCain if Hillary gets in which I think is a disgrace if you really belong to the Democratic party. We don't need you losers in our party. Real Democrats should support either candidate iof they get it.

The Florida primary was moved up by the Republican governor and the largely Republican legislature. They are responsible for moving both primaries.

Progressive DJ Randi Rhoades is one of the few in the media to explain it.

Theie is a legtimate argument for Obama to get the uncommitted in Michigan because no one else is left to use them, and Hillary get hers.

Hillary won Florida by 52% and those voters deserve to be counted.

Sorry John, Our constitution says they should count. You know the constitution, the old piece of parchment that out countries freedoms and liberties were built on. I have many relatives and friends in Florida and Michigan who all voted and are all Democrats, and trust me, they are mad as hell, and will sit out the National primary. Is that what the DNC wants? Well, if someone doesn't come up with a fair, and equitable solution, that is exactly what they will get.

The DNC allowed the Republican Party control the Democratic primaries since the Michigan Supreme Court and the Florida Legislature, both Republican, approved the date of both primaries.

While the Republicans punished FL and MI cutting their delegates in half, the DNC went to the extreme measure of eliminating all delegates.

With the DNC counting all the MI and FL delegates, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would have similar number of pledged delegates close to 1130 (excluding Super delegates).

The GOP is laughing all the way engineering in part the fight which is alienating Democratic Party voters to the benefit of John McCain in the general election.

Remember FOLKS as Obama calls Us! Already Starting To Get Emails On Obama Look On youtube under Larry Sinclair.... Or Google his name... If This Was Out There On The Clintons it would be on every Front Page of Every Paper! What's Good for The Goose is Good For The Gander.... This Guy Even Has A lawsuit on Obama? Getting Scary! We need A democrat in the White House But He needs more Scrutiny and vetting!

Can you imagine the elderly standing around in hot rooms in the summer in Florda to do a caucus?

The middle class is taking vacations with kids and don't need the headache of a caucus.

Obama, and I do like him but in 8 years after Hillary has done the hard work of cleaning up the country, needs to not talk out of both sides of his mouth.

What do Ted Kennedy and John Kerry do with their votes? AFter all, Hillary won their state.

Jordan - the Constitution says nothing about intramural party events. Primaries aren't elections.

In fact, there would be nothing unconstitutional about returning to the smoke-filled backrooms, and not having any primaries or caucuses at all.

Oh God,can you imagine if Sinclair had worked on a Clinton while doing drugs!!! '

OMG the world would have stopped turning by now, and she would have been forced out, true story or not.

And if we are going to pretend to be honest here, you have to admit that much.

But you know, it isn't true, yet, if ever. So I guess they do not want to splash it all over. I just can't help but think they wouldn't be able to resist if it was Clinton. It would somehow, 'accidentally' made CNN and FOX and MSNBC and ABC and CBS and PBS and BBC. I mean Obama is a master at hiding inaccuracies, even if by mistake.

Please read.
FROM cnn "Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand. Hillary Clinton won the primaries in both Florida and Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot".

What a mess are the Clintons and big liars! I don't understand how people still support them!!!