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Dems Debate Poaching of Pledged Delegates
February 19, 2008 1:11 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis, Eloise Harper, and Mike Elmore Report: Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said Tuesday that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., will not go after Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., pledged delegates after an unnamed Clinton official told Politico that both campaigns would pursue such a course if there is a "stalemate" between Clinton and Obama going into this summer's Democratic convention.
"We issued a very Shermanesque statement earlier today," said Wolfson on a conference call with reporters. "We have not, are not, and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama. We think Sen. Obama's campaign owes you all a clear answer as to whether they will pursue our pledged delegates."
Asked if Obama would vow not to go after Clinton's pledged delegates, Obama spokesman Bill Burton told ABC News, "We're not going to do that. My question is: 'Why didn't they deny this yesterday?' It fits a pattern of their willingness to say or do anything to win the nomination."
The Democratic campaigns debated the poaching of pledged delegates on Tuesday because a high-ranking Clinton official told Politico that as we get closer to the Democratic convention, "if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after everybody's delegates." Politico also had Clinton spokesman Phil Singer saying he assumes the Obama campaign is going after delegates pledged to Clinton.
On a Tuesday conference call with reporters, David Wilhelm, an Obama supporter who managed Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign, criticized Hillary Clinton for the Politico story, saying: "Sometimes nominations are not worth having and one of those times would be when the nomination comes at the cost of ripping the party apart."
After a 1980 Democratic convention fight between Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and then-President Jimmy Carter, the Democratic Party changed its rules so that pledged delegates -- those which are allocated from winning primaries and caucuses -- are not bound (not even on the first ballot). Kennedy was behind Carter in pledged delegates going into the convention. But supporters of the Massachusetts senator believed that if given the freedom to "vote their conscience," the delegates would have chosen Kennedy to be their standard-bearer.
Due to what was derided at the time as "the robot rule," pledged delegates were not allowed in 1980 to switch their allegiance to Kennedy. Carter went on to lose in the fall to Ronald Reagan.
While pledged delegates are no longer bound, it's rare for them to switch allegiance at the convention because the respective campaigns find loyalists to serve as pledged delegates.
"They have total discretion. Pledged delegates are not bound, so they can change their mind as many times as they want," a senior Clinton adviser told ABC News last week. "Having said that, I've slated delegates in many elections for many candidates and they basically are wholly owned real estate."
February 19, 2008 in Bush, George W., Kucinich, Dennis, Tancredo, Tom | Permalink | User Comments (174)
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Who becomes the democratic nominee is so much bigger than one might think...how will it really go down?
Something to consider: If Sen. Obama becomes the democratic nominee and selects an Afro-American Vice Presidential running mate is white America really ready for a double black ticket? or...would this lead to McCain taking the race in November? your thoughts?
Posted by: B. Milo | Feb 19, 2008 1:40:50 PM
Obama will not go after Hillary's pledged delegates. I'm wondering if Deval Patrick will say so so we can be sure.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Feb 19, 2008 1:53:13 PM
Obviously the blowback from this was huge... but make no mistake, the junior Senator from New York won't bow out gracefully if she loses... she'll destroy the party in her quest for power.
Posted by: | Feb 19, 2008 1:58:20 PM
I think clinton is getting to a breaking point, she feels very strong that obama might swing the opinion of superdelegates. Many of the super delegates have commited to Clinton initially when the whole world was thinking that clinton will be democratic nominee, but now they a repenting for backing clinton. She is trying to lock them up before they change their mind. Another piece of dirty politics from Clintons.
Posted by: Surv | Feb 19, 2008 2:04:24 PM
dirty politics: Jesse Jackson Jr., supporter of senator obama, asked Emanuel Cleaver if he wanted to go down in history as someone who prevented an African American from occupying the White House for the first time. This kind of implied intimidation flies in the face of Dr. King's dream that a person's character, not the color of their skin, be the standard they are judged by.
Posted by: chris | Feb 19, 2008 2:09:23 PM
obama borrows his style and speeches from deval patrick and his substantive policies from Senator Clinton.....AMERICA NEEDS A LEADER, NOT A BORROWER
Posted by: chris | Feb 19, 2008 2:10:30 PM
And as Hillary speaks Chelsea and Bill are doing just that.
Posted by: Patriot2008 | Feb 19, 2008 2:12:15 PM
Estimates Hillary 110 billion - 124 Billion cover everyone that needs coverage ...if not covered already..Obama 50- 102 Billion cover only 23 mil. uninsured people...Obama can prove he tries to pass off speeches as his own those inspiration words you thought were his were not...he passes off ideas as his...when he started running his policies were critized by everyone ..he stop discussing his policies and started preaching fluff...he sat on the fence on important legislative (State) way too many times..but some people seem to think he a good canididate boy do you people like so so people with so so experience to lead you...
Posted by: dellee | Feb 19, 2008 2:12:55 PM
uh, chris: who put out their health care plan first? who actually HAS a plan for social security? guess what, it's Obama. Sad that all Hillary has to do is SAY she's about "solutions" and her sheep think it's factual.
Posted by: Fact Check | Feb 19, 2008 2:18:50 PM
I dont know guys? after the comment made by Obamas wife saying 'somewhat' she is now proud to be an American.!?
What was she before?? Now I think they may have lost me for a possible vote.
And how about the Clinton gang? I sure wish there was a bigger batch of president hopefuls to pick from. I can not afford any more taxes with the Clinton gang trying to get back in. I am affraid that will happen.
Posted by: Jim Rod | Feb 19, 2008 2:22:20 PM
I wanted HRC to win because I think she is the best candidate. Obama I can't consider, I believe he is not a good person. The Rezco situation, plus his church and now the true color of his wife. Never really been proud to be an American. There’s to much hatred in their personas for me to even consider. McCain is a Republican that wants to be 100 years in Iraq, that is terrible. If its between Obama and McCain , I have to go with McCain. If HRC puts Obama on her ticket, Still have to go McCain. Please Bloomberg jump in this race. give us an alternative to win. The Dems have self-destructed.
Posted by: Charles | Feb 19, 2008 2:25:26 PM
Suri, I am an African American, please know that Jesse Jackson is so irrelevant. Obama would not ask Jesse for anything and with good reason.
Posted by: Shawn | Feb 19, 2008 2:26:02 PM
Jim Rod, if a comment by Obama's wife which was meant to indicate her excitement about the direction our country is moving loses you as a voter, I don't think your vote was really with Obama in the first place.
Posted by: Fact Check | Feb 19, 2008 2:26:19 PM
The American people at this moment in time, at this time in history need a change. I say to the American people, elect a 'tape recorder' full of well spoken rhetorical borrowed speeches and install it in the White House. Oprah will run the tape and all Americans will have free gifts from the Oval office Oprah shows.
Posted by: J. Preston | Feb 19, 2008 2:28:56 PM
Jacob,
Where did Obama get the $$$ to buy his 1.6 million dollar home. Opps Rezko and from the amazon wife family. Get a grip the guy is a LOSER.
Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | Feb 19, 2008 2:30:04 PM
Additionally--all this talk about Obama stealing someone else's words.....let's call it what it is--AN ACT OF DESPERATION by a candidate not ready to admit defeat. Who hasn't quoted someone else's words? I mean to allege plagiarism...this is reaching. How many time has Hillary quoted Obama, or how many times do politicians quote other influential, inspiring people period. As John Stossel says....Give Me A Break!!!!!
Posted by: Ladrema | Feb 19, 2008 2:30:06 PM
I do have to give Clinton credit that her comment about Obama's speech has hit and has people talking. I do think it is way overhyped and not a big deal. Two people were dealing with the same kind of attacks in their campaign and made an obvious point about speeches by Presidents. I am sure Clinton has wrote all her speeches. Obama has written most of his speeches and two books. His words or more his than Hillary's whom I am sure has not wrote any of her speeches yet.
Posted by: Jason | Feb 19, 2008 2:31:19 PM
Fact check I am an Independent. I am holding to know one. I will vote for the best possible person I think will take this country forward. If its Obama or Hillary or John McC or someone else.
We all take things said in our own way. OObamas wife pretty much slapped me. If she meant it in another way she should have made that clear.
Posted by: Jim Rod | Feb 19, 2008 2:31:34 PM
This morning there was an article citing a Clinton staffer's statement that the Clinton 'team' will go after Obama's delegates. Now this article stating that the Clinton Campaign WON'T be trying to steal Obama's delegates and asking for Obama to makthe same pledge for her. First of all, the Clinton merry-go-round is making me dizzy. Secondly, this sounds to me like article #1 was a Clinton plant so that they could put out the 2nd one and challenge Obama to take their "high road" which is 'we've nobly decided NOT to do the dishonest thing that we told you this morning that we WOULD do'. If he doesn't fall for their trick, in a few days their spin will be to accuse Obama along the lines of 'Obama won't pledge against stealing delegates.' She's relentless. We'll see.
Posted by: dream on | Feb 19, 2008 2:33:10 PM
I am sure glad that Kennedy lost to Carter that year. I am sure glad I didn't vote for Kennedy that year.
I am sure glad that I won't vote for Kennedy (aka Obama) during this election.
Posted by: Lou | Feb 19, 2008 2:35:11 PM
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