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Obama Attacks Clinton -- and now McCain -- on Health Care
February 23, 2008 3:28 PM
ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports: Health care is normally an area of critique Sen. Barack Obama reserves soley for his Democratic opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton. But today in Columbus, Ohio, Obama brought John McCain’s health care plan into the scrum.
Obama, as usual, described first the difference between his and Clinton’s plan for healthcare reform: namely, Clinton’s inclusion of mandates, which his plan does not call for.
But then the criticism moved more toward McCain
"Both of our plans are far better than what’s being offered by John McCain –- more of the same Bush health care policies that haven’t worked in the past and won’t work today."
Obama said that McCain’s plan doesn’t guarantee coverage and, "reflects the agenda of the drug and insurance lobbyists, who back his campaign and use money and influence to block real health care reform."
And speaking of lobbyists.
That was a point where Obama critiqued both Clinton and McCain.
"This is an area where I disagree with Sen. McCain and Sen. Clinton. She’s taken nearly a million dollars from lobbyists in this campaign and says they 'represent real Americans.' He takes their money and has put them in charge of his campaign."
Obama holds events in Ohio today tailored to promote his health care agenda, a roundtable at the Ohio State University Medical Center with doctors and patients, and a tour of the kidney and diabetes ward of the medical center.
Obama’s inclusion of McCain in his normal line of critique comes the day Sen. Clinton –- also in Ohio –- blasted Obama on mailers his campaign has been circulating in the state.
"These attacks on what we tried to do the last time we went after universal healthcare is the worst kind of politics," Sen. Clinton said, "Number one, it is wrong and untrue, and number two, it is exactly the talking points the health insurance industry used on a daily basis. Sen. Obama knows that it is not true that my plan forces people to buy insurance even if they cant afford it."
Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki, when asked about Clinton's remarks, said, quot;While Barack Obama discussed the best ways to lower the cost of healthcare for Ohio families, Sen. Clinton was one again attacking him on a mail piece that is 100 percent accurate. If that doesn't show the stark difference between the two candidates -- not sure what does."
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Being one of those who would be FORCED to buy health insurance under Hillary's plan, I have paid close attention. In the Texas debate Hillary said that if she did not insist that those making over $75,000 purchase insurance, then the insurance companies would "tax" those who did opt in"$900.00" Obama said that under Hillary's plan wages could be garnished, and she has not once in any of the debates said that wasn't the case. What she did say in the Texas debate was that if everyone weren't "mandated," that is FORCED, to buy insurance, then the insurance companies would "tax" those who did opt in "$900.00." Obama's fliers are accurate; Hillary is lying.
Posted by: Cia | Feb 23, 2008 3:48:10 PM
Being as the President is unable (by law) to pass any law and his only recourse is to suggest it and then either OK it or veto it I wonder why the esteemed Senators that are currently grandstanding on the healthcare platform don't simply introduce a bill in the Senate that would enact their version of a healthcare bill and let the normal sequence take place. For them to stand up and say that If elected, they will do this or that is in effect showing everybody that buys into it just how stupid they really are. Hillary been in office for 8 years and Obama has been in there for 6 years but neither of them has introduced any major legislation. Both have slipped in several million dollars of earmarks but not any defining bills that they can look back on and say "I did this"
Posted by: Southern Farmer | Feb 23, 2008 4:01:18 PM
Let's see wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, IRAN, and Pakistan. An unfunded mandate of prescription drug coverage, to go on top of a bankrupt medicare, and medicaid system, with fewer paying into Social Security. Just HOW exactly is a Canadian style National health care plan gonna be paid for on top of that? How can people who are leveraged in bad morgages, extravigant credit card debt, school loans, car loans, and a devaluling dollar gonna be able to afford manditory national health care??? Easy, they can't. So what's the likely solution? Mandate employers to give it to workers? Well, they're not gonna be able to grow their buisness under that kind of burden, especially small business, that would go under if so ordered to do so. So how do we encourage "compliance" in such a mandated system. Well how does the government ALWAYS do it? Make it ILLEGAL not to have coverage and MANDATE you buy it. Well with skyrocketing costs that even buisnesses can't pick up, just HOW is the average American supposed to pick up the tab on such a bill. On top of all the rest of the inflation that is getting higher every day. Does this mean that we'll have to choose wether or not to go poor (which the Supreme Court just made it harder to escape debt) and buy the coverage, or risk being audited, penalized and thrown in jail for not being in compliance with the mandated nationalized health care plan. These are serious questions folks. National health care will limit care and bankrupt this country. This will finish off the middle class forever. This is NOT just another sounds good, feels good, painless ideal. This idea, will bankrupt this country, just like the US comptroller (the nation's top accountant in the congressional budget office) said it would in numberous public interviews over the last year. Yes, even on ABC. Think, please think about this. This is very real.
Posted by: cba | Feb 23, 2008 4:05:09 PM
As an American who grew up in England I'm amazed at the disarray the the US healthcare system is in. McCain's comment of a few days back that US healthcare is the "envy of the world" simply isn't true. I'm now in a position as millions of other Americans where I can't afford health insurance and roll the dice with my family's healthcare. Clinton's plan to force me or my employer to purchase insurance will only make this situation worse. What's needed is to cut the waste and bureaucracy of having an insurance system which increases costs that we all end up paying for, and as such Obama's plan seems the best of a bad bunch.
Posted by: Nico Westerdale | Feb 23, 2008 4:14:12 PM
It's the MANDATE STUPID!! -- and it's the people that pay the penalty when they can't afford the insurance -- and, don't forget, it does have to pass Congress; if anyone wants anything that closely resembles Universal Healthcare, Hillary's would NEVER pass through the ranks it didn't in the '90's and wouldn't now -- it's a ruse --
Living very close to Massachusetts; I do know people who do not enjoy the penalty and that doesn't make them closer to having insurance if they can't afford it.
Posted by: Paulet | Feb 23, 2008 4:17:57 PM
The problems in not on the candidate, the problems is on us the American people. American need to wake up and wake up fast. Obama can make all kinds of statement against Senator Clinton, but they both know who they are. Obama is just a rookie and Senator is a Rock and roller. Keep in mind, Senator Obama is a flip-flopper he say one thing and does another. He is a bomb waiting to blow us up. While Senator Clinton is serious and consistent with what she say and what she meant to do. She is a leader to lead our country in the rigt direction. I hope we don'make the same mistake by electing an inexperience and flip-flopper president.
Posted by: peter Gomez | Feb 23, 2008 4:34:04 PM
I think that Hillary should be careful with her outrageous reactions. It will distract her attention and may cause her this race. Hillary should face the issues and leave the remnants. The comment 'shame on you Obama' shows a lot of the woman in her and the type of president she would be before the world. Hillary is clearly showing the difference between herself and Obama. Americans are watching.
Posted by: Isaac | Feb 23, 2008 4:38:01 PM
If anyone was listening to previous debates, they would have heard that Hillary's plan calls for everyone to be insured, and those who could not afford all the costs, the plan would help. Obama cannot have the argument both ways. He mandates that children be covered. He did not say how that mandate would be implemented. He also does not say how sick parents will be able to take their children to medical centers. So which is it? He goes on the campaign trail saying that his plan is universal coverage. Let him say in a debate exactly what his plan is, let Hillary say what hers is, then compare. He is playing dodge ball, counting on voters to not hear everything--just his soundbites, his generalities, and reading his dishonest flyers. Wake up voters! He is not the knight in shining armor that Ted Kennedy, Oprah, and the big networks claim he is. No wonder he is afraid to debate on issues where he has to be specific. He gets a lot of milage with lofty generalities and plagiarized speeches on the campaign trail. Does anyone think we should do away with medicare or social security? I think not, much as some insurance companies would like. Where would all the people be then? Take the billions being spent on the war in Iraq, discontinue the major taxcuts to the wealthiest at the top of the list, cut costs with efficiency and lowered drug costs, and take care of American citizens first, the way our congressional and federal employees are taken care of. It is hypocrisy to think that those in poverty, working families with children, and veterans should be at the bottom of the totem pole trying to survive. Obama has lost his way, if he ever knew the way, and we do not need his empty rhetoric to help us out. John McCain may not have a plan for healthcare, and we do not agree with his economic and taxation plans, but he has experience and moderation to make other serious decisions when Obama is not ready.
Elect a Democratic Congress majority the next time to really get the job done.
Obama, who says he has the vision to bring everyone together is sending out flyers filled with lies and distortion. Is that the way to bring us together? I fear many are following the "Pied Piper" and we should not be following his loose, empty, and plagiarized rhetoric.
Posted by: georgia | Feb 23, 2008 4:42:08 PM
DITTO, AGAIN!
VOTE FOR HILLARY, SOMEONE WHO DOES THE HOMEWORK, HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND THE KNOWLEDGE, AND PERSEVERES UNTIL THE JOB IS DONE!
Posted by: georgia | Feb 23, 2008 4:51:46 PM
So, when Obama Gets his health care plan, who will pay for it. Not the people who are getting covered by it, rather those of us gainfully employed who already have health care coverage, no matter how bad it is through our employers. So, probably ours will get worse while we pay for theirs. Reminds me of when I stand in line with hamburger while people get steak with food stamps....Thanks Barack, I want to pay for more programs for people who don't work.
Posted by: KC_1971 | Feb 23, 2008 4:55:26 PM
The theory behind a universal health plan is that everyone is covered, everyone can choose a plan, keep the one they have if satisfied, or join the plan that covers congressmen and federal employees. With everyone paying something, the costs would be spread over the entire group. With a single payer plan, costs could be reduced and overseen in order to get the best coverage and drug cost values. Make it a priority, just as Medicare and Social Security should be our priorities. Perhaps, those making so much money in profits and bonuses in the drug and insurance businesses will have to ease up on the way they have been ripping off American families, senior citizens, and middle and lower income families. In order to make things work, you have to have a vision and a plan. Obama has neither.
Posted by: georgia | Feb 23, 2008 5:08:45 PM
Just as car insurance is mandated - or get suspended, Soc. Sec is mandated- or pay a penalty/receive none at retirement, just as the Fed Gov employees are covered fully so goes Hillary's mandated Univ Plan. She has said over and over for years now, the bigger the pool the less the risk, so all participate to that end. Cut waste, bring all Hospitals/Clinics into the 21st century technically, remove Insurance Company fraud/abuse (stop their wall street speculating with yearly profits), Open the borders to prescription drugs forcing the Pharm. Companies into true capital competition, End the Big Hospital Company Administration waste, roll everyone into the same Fed Health Plan that SHE has, Get the Iraq lost billions found and back home and it can be done. For all with no fear of wage garnishment or fines.
Do you fear a suspended licence, no social security when you retire? If you dont because you are one who DOESNT pay Soc. Sec. or car insure, then we all pay for YOUR lack of insurance and WILL pay for your senior years.
The truth is, few bother to actually LEARN and INFORM themselves beyond the soundbite and TV so you all succum to the boogie man words like Mandate and garnish. Republicans LOVE that about you and it seems so does the Obama staff.
Posted by: Fem For Hillary | Feb 23, 2008 5:29:10 PM
Fem for Hill-- Unless her healthcare is 100% run by the government, comparisons to Social Security or Medicare are inappropriate. I can understand mandated house insurance from the mortgage bankers and car insurance from the auto loans and drivers licence bureaus. But I don't plan on crashing my hospital bed into someone else's. What agency is going to oversee my purchasing health insurance? Considering that 1 in 4 drivers in one part of my state does not have car insurance, how's this 100% healthcare insurance participation going to work? I must say, to mandate the purchase of more products from an industry that sometimes requires hiring an attorney in order to get fair treatment is wholesale unappealing. Not enough addressed in Hillary socialistic shortcut plan.
Posted by: SE Croft | Feb 23, 2008 5:43:03 PM
Once again the government wants the American people to pay big business more money and keep them making large profits:
Just like we do now, so it goes..
1.Mandate for insurance makes big money for insurance companies.
2.High gas prices (that the government wil not even try and control) It means big money for oil companies, big tax money for the states and big tax money for the Government.
3.Higher prices for drugs with or without Medicare, again big money for the Drug Companies.
You guessed it, the government doesn't go near putting a stop on these practices. Where are the candidates on these issues. Their response would be "What issues"
Posted by: harrythehat | Feb 23, 2008 5:53:00 PM
Fem for Hillary - Great points, I concur. I know of a family that doesn't bother with health insurance but you can be sure they take vacations and have new SUVs and flat screens. Should it be mandated for them? You bet! Others skip vacations, drive old cars and have TVs that will be obsolete next year just so they can afford insurance for their families. Hardly seems fair that the latter families should help pay for the irresponsible one.
Posted by: LagunaTriMom | Feb 23, 2008 6:03:34 PM
Why is Hillary fired up over a mail and making a big issue out of it? She did same to Obama at Winsconsin. Is this how she wants to run AMERICA?
Posted by: Joe | Feb 23, 2008 6:17:18 PM
Hillary said in one of her speeches that Obama said it couldn't be done, but she says "Yes We Can". Isn't this a qutoe that she plagarized fro Obama? Because he has been using this slogan from day one>
Posted by: kombahyah | Feb 23, 2008 8:23:42 PM
It is an obvious political ploy for Obama to defend his flawed plan by attacking Hillary's. It is the worst kind of fear mongering to say that people will have be fined if they don't have it. The thing is this is that car insurance is mandated and no one blinks an eye.
It is a lie for Obama to say his plan is universal.
It's typical that the press ignores the experts who claim that Obama's plan underestimates cost and Hillary's plan is better.
Posted by: J Allen | Feb 23, 2008 10:18:04 PM
Hillary's health care plan would force the cost of insurance down. Obama's would not. Hillary would offer help for people who could not afford it. Obama's plan doesn't offer much change for adults, except small tax credit and everyone would have to insure thier children. Hillary's plan is the best.
Posted by: onenibble | Feb 24, 2008 2:40:27 PM
i think all have good points with the healthcare but i dont think any of it will change no matter who wins there all controlled by big companys republicans and democrats hillary sits on the board of walmart i think walmart is the down fall of america all of them sit on a board they get payed to be on a board. i just cant figure out why we as americans dont stand up for anything anymore look at the gas prices no canidate is saying a word about it and we just complain nothing is done by complaining. people are to independed and do not want to put forth the effort to make changes i dont think politics should be a career i dont think it was ment to be that way. i dont belive in totally free health care.but i think if the goverment started paying for there healthcare that would bring are prices down.but if i was in there shoes why would i want to do that? and why would i want to hurt drug and oil and retail companies and so on when they pay me money to get bills past for them.its the amercian way. selfishness and greed.
Posted by: matt | Feb 25, 2008 4:59:59 AM
Universal Health Care is NOT a guaranteed right.
If we desire to have quality health care, WE have to vote with our feet. I have found that paying with CASH at a Doctor's appointment earns me a discount of up to 45% on the spot. Kinda tells you how much the insurance companies cost the Doctors.
The only way we will get quality health care is when the INSURANCE companies are limited to a maximum profit AND the highest paid person in the company (including bonuses) makes no more than 10 times the income that the lowest paid person in the company. Of course this will lead to many companies going with contract workers to avoid the "lowest paid worker" making too little.
There will always be someone that finds the loophole. Closing that loophole will take our government years to find a way to move the loop hole to another profitable place.
The government is run by politicians bought by the highest bidder. It no longer responds to the people (voters). Notice the choices we have are not people that have been able to fix anything, let alone people that know what needs to be done.
We do not need Universal Health Care. We need individuals to "get it" (a clue). The government is not there to support you and take care of you. It is there to keep our borders firm and keep your basic rights intact.
Do not vote your rights away.
Posted by: Dave | Feb 25, 2008 12:46:22 PM
well,being an african and pro american,l think it's time for american citizens to really make a change by voting for obama barack.experience have showed us here in the third world that when america is sick the intire world is sick.pls we are looking on americans to do what is good for the entire world.we saw jefferson's limite while in the white house, and the wife was there.l think it's really sensesiful for americans to make a real change.
Posted by: chapnda jonathan roberts | Feb 26, 2008 5:22:19 AM
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