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Obama: Clintons Won't Create Working Majority for Change
February 10, 2008 6:15 PM
ABC News' Sunlen Miller Reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., argued that Hillary Clinton would not create a working majority for change if she were elected president, at a town hall in Alexandria, Virginia today.
"I think it is very hard for Senator Clinton to break out of the politics of the last 15 years and that politics is basically a politics where 47% of the country is on one side, 47% is on the other. You got 5% in the middle, they all live in Florida and Ohio apparently And so you battle it out and you never actually—even if you win—don’t have, you don't have a working majority for change."
Obama explained that if you don't have a working majority from square one, then the congress doesn’t change either, and brought Hillary Clinton's husband, Bill Clinton into his argument as an example.
"Keep in mind we had Bill Clinton as president when in '94 we lost the house, we lost the senate, we lost governorships, we lost state houses. And so regardless of what policies they wanted to promote, they didn't have a working majority to bring change about."
Obama argued that he is the most progressive candidate because he can reach out to Republicans and Independents and referenced the most recent Time magazine poll showing he could potentially beat John McCain by a higher margin than Hillary Clinton.
Obama's response was prompted by a question from a town hall participant wanting to know why Obama was a better candidate than Hillary Clinton, a question Obama received twice in the same town hall – one from a woman from Hawaii whose husband supports Clinton The event, at TC Williams High School in Alexandria was the school which inspirited the movie, "Remember the Titans" and in an area with the highest population in Virginia which the Obama campaign admits is a stronger area for Hillary Clinton.
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What about all the other scandals they were involved in?
No offense, but all I can remember in my life is Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush.
It's depressing to people of the under 30 group. how can we be a nation of change when we're potentially in an era of political dynasties and in-fighting?
Posted by: DemFan08 | Feb 10, 2008 6:29:38 PM
I'm a registered republican and have a deep desire to see "change" just as much as the next person. For this to occur we must get away from "old politics". Both McCain and Clinton promise fresh new ideas, however I feel that they are both from the old guard. A person cannot hold "inexperience" against Obama. This is another way of saying we want to keep things status quo. I haven't made my mind up totally, but perhaps Barack is the breath of fresh air this country is in need of.
Posted by: Chris Goodman | Feb 10, 2008 6:52:22 PM
I'm a registered republican and have a deep desire to see "change" just as much as the next person. For this to occur we must get away from "old politics". Both McCain and Clinton promise fresh new ideas, however I feel that they are both from the old guard. A person cannot hold "inexperience" against Obama. This is another way of saying we want to keep things status quo. I haven't made my mind up totally, but perhaps Barack is the breath of fresh air this country is in need of.
Posted by: Chris Goodman | Feb 10, 2008 6:52:30 PM
"Hillary has been at the forefront in the battle for civic rights, children's and women's rights, abused children and women, families ("It takes a Village") and health care."
Hillary was at the forefront when she sat on the board of Wal-Mart and listened to the anti-Union stuff that the board spouted. I think the record shows she sat silent. Let us also not forget that her chief adviser, Mark Penn, is the CEO of a business that counts Erik Prince of Blackwater as one of its clients as well as other union busting "folks"....Now, I have some problems with that.
I am totally amazed that no one has brought up the business dealings of Mark Penn. It seems to me that if she is offended and suspicious of Rezko and demands Senator Obama explain his connection to him, she certainly should be ready to explain Mark Penn. I for one would like some answers on that. Should not all the "experience" she has tell her that continuing to have Mark Penn "advise" her could become a problem? Of course, she probably figured on running against McCain and he certainly isn't going to bring up that fact is he? Having your best friend/advisor's company taking money from Blackwater for public relations work certainly seems like a conflict to me.
And before you ask, I am a life-long Dem, over 50, a woman, rural, and poor....I am her coveted demographic...LOL...
Posted by: Chip | Feb 10, 2008 6:53:44 PM
Will a reporter ask Hillary this question, at a debate, or for an article:
Dear Hillary,
In an editorial in The Washington Times, Mark Goodman argues that if the full Barrett Report is released to the public, which likely will happen if you are the nominee, your candidacy would be a "GOP Ace in the hole." Will you support releasing the Barrett Report now to show you have nothing to hide?
Mark Goodman is a veteran journalist and author of the novel "Hurrah for the Next Man Who Dies."
Posted by: Tariq | Feb 10, 2008 6:54:25 PM
I'll take Obama as president, even in these turbulent times.
So would Maine - just called for Obama by at least two news organizations.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 6:54:40 PM
Obama´s rethoric is not plain American blunt speech. He plays a different game. Can´t figure it our yet what it is but it is different. I have lived 10 years in China and many more in third world countries. His promises smell "populist"...seen many of those leaders..I´m 83 years old.
Posted by: Fernando | Feb 10, 2008 6:59:58 PM
Guess what people under 30. We who are over 30 were ALSO under 30. We have been exactly where u have been , and you have NOT been where we are now.
You guys have NO IDEA what it takes to be president.
Just because Obama SAYS he will change everything does NOT mean he will. Its very , very simple. All you under 30 folks NEVER look at Obama's record, just that he isnt the same age as your parents.
Elect him cause he is the youngest and LEAST experienced candidate ????
This is why the country is NEVER RUN, nor dictated to by people under 30. Nor in ANY society , in any time in history.
They dont have a clue what they are talking about .
Posted by: tom | Feb 10, 2008 7:05:20 PM
I wouldn't vote for Hilary or Obama. Maybe you all should watch the Clinton Cronicles and see what values Hilary holds dear to heart----Power. Obama just keeps promising change...he just never bothers to elaborate on what that change would be. I'm like the gentleman above...he called it populist, I call it socialism. Wake up america before its to late and you lose your freedom. You all think just because Obama speaks of change it would be in your best interest....he is just like Hilary...he has his own agenda and its all about him.
Posted by: For freedom | Feb 10, 2008 7:20:40 PM
Barack Obama started a fad by demanding (and promising) "CHANGE", but has it ever been defined? Does even he know what changes will be forthcoming? "Change" has become a buzzword with little substance. Shouldn't we, as voters, demand to know exactly what Obama plans to do, aside from make speeches which sound like Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Huey Newton, and Malcolm X, rolled into one? Sure, those speeches are getting votes, and who can argue with success? But we need to know what happens AFTER November!
Posted by: rmberryman | Feb 10, 2008 7:23:42 PM
I CANT BELIEVE THE AUDACITY and ARROGANCE OBAMA IS SHOWING...
He and his campaign are becoming so nasty, narcasistic and egomaniacs...
HE IS SHOWING HIS TRUE COLORS OF DIVISIVENESS AND OVERALL CONTRITE FEELING...
1. saying Clinton voters "will go to him" but Obama voters "won't go to clinton" I'M A CLINTON SUPPORTER AND I WILL *NOT* SUPPORT OBAMA
2. parelleling himself to the messiah... YES HE HAS DONE SO IN SPEECHES (see abcnews.com)
3. continued & trouble MISLEADING ATTACKS ON HILLARY
4. media and his supporters being SO BLINDED by his Rezko ties, 'present' votes in Illinois senate, flip-flop on the war, AND SOMEHOW PRETENDING THATS INVISIBLE...
Posted by: Gavin | Feb 10, 2008 7:32:15 PM
Gavin, I agree 100%
Obama's popularity will fade quickly. Narcissists never last.
Posted by: Phil | Feb 10, 2008 7:38:29 PM
Tom,
Is that why Bill Clinton got elected because under 30's wanted him because he was younger than there parents? If I remember correctly he was younger than Obama when he first ran. I believe my generation is much more open and believes that we can change the world. I cannot stand the fact that during Hillarys speach today on CNN she used the phrase YES I WILL. Sounds like she is trying to sound like Obama. The world needs more people with the under 30 mentality who realizes every one is equal and should have every oportunity to better themselves and our country. Your under 30 years probably were very different than mine but I have ideas, hopes and dreams for this country and pray my children will when they are under 30. I hope there are alot less pessimistic people like yourself around shooting down there hopes and dreams.
Posted by: MichelleO | Feb 10, 2008 7:41:01 PM
The last time the country was asking for drastic change, we elected Jimmy Carter. The worst president that I can remember. Wonder if Obama is the next Jimmy Carter. That would be sad...20% interest rates and no respect by anyone in the world.
Other countries may not like us now but they do respect us and know not to mess with the United States of America!
Posted by: Bob | Feb 10, 2008 7:47:31 PM
Barack Obama does quite well among and will continue to win independent voters, and even a small but growing contingent of disaffected Republicans (who, I might add, are not all "monsters," nor, despite occasional appearances to the contrary do they march in lockstep). Hillary Clinton, though in many respects a fine candidate, does not. John McCain draws well among independents, but Barack Obama attracts even more of them than the Arizona senator.
And since *no one* can win the presidency without the support of the majority of independent voters, with whom shall we cast our lot, my fellow Democrats, independents, and like-minded Republicans?
Posted by: Mark | Feb 10, 2008 8:07:23 PM
rmberryman - has Obama's call for change ever been defined? Sure.
You may want to check his website rather than coming to a political blog looking for that kind of information. These blogs are all about the horserace, rather than designed to educate voters about positions.
Or if you don't want to look at Obama stuff, you can also find information about his positions and proposals from neutral sites.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 8:09:54 PM
Bob - I was around during the Carter candidacy. It wasn't a call for sweeping change. His appeal was the apparent (and actual, for the most part) lack of corruption. We were coming off the Nixon period, and a southern peanut farmer sounded just fine.
Carter wasn't an effective president, but not because he was a southern peanut farmer. First, odds were stacked against him, in terms of the economy and other events. Second, he was a micromanager, and therefore an innefficient executive. Third, in my view he didn't have a decisive nature when confronted with a crisis. The stagflation and OPEC issues weren't his fault, and he did have his successes such as the Israeli-Egyptian peace deal, which for the most part has held since. But I really think he ought to have taken a harder line in response to Iran's hostage taking.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 8:15:55 PM
Tom - I'm well over 30, something of a news junkie (therefore have some idea what's going on) and I'm white to boot. I'm an independent for Obama, who couldn't support Clinton. Sorry to violate your generalities.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 8:19:27 PM
Paul -- Always enjoy your thoughtful, articulate, considerate comments and observations. I think sometimes you're the only "big kid" around here, myself included!
Any thoughts on potential endorsements from Senator Edwards or Vice President Gore -- for whom, and when?
My guess would be Edwards for Obama, prior to the March 4 primaries. As for Gore, given his current stature, I suspect he has too much to lose by risking backing an unsuccessful candidate at this relatively early stage. That said, should he opt to endorse sooner rather than later, that would be a genuine vote of confidence in the recipient!
Posted by: Mark | Feb 10, 2008 8:35:00 PM
Obama is more like Bush. Full of feel good promises of change without telling us, nor us asking, what kind of changes.
Posted by: Oldgaman | Feb 10, 2008 8:41:57 PM
Obama is more like Bush. Full of feel good promises of change without telling us, nor us asking, what kind of changes.
Posted by: Oldgaman | Feb 10, 2008 8:42:04 PM
Obama is more like Bush. Full of feel good promises of change without telling us, nor us asking, what kind of changes.
Posted by: Oldgaman | Feb 10, 2008 8:43:53 PM
Hillary is old politic. She sells influence (Lincoln bedroom sleepovers) and stole furniture/ art from the White House to furnish the NY home. She hired detectives to harrass G. Flowers and many other women of Bill's consort. Barak is real.
Posted by: oregon | Feb 10, 2008 9:00:37 PM
Thanks Mark. Funny, I'm called a big kid a lot, lol.
I think I'm with you on Edwards and Gore. I suspect Edwards is going to pick his spot and see what kind of deal he can get from either. I think he knows he won't be asked to be a running mate, but would like to be in the next administration.
With Gore, I suspect like you we aren't going to see an endorsement until the nominee is known, and even then perhaps not a lot of campaign effort. Gore might not be Bill Clinton in terms of political instincts, but he isn't an idiot. He knows he's popular inside the Democratic base, but not so much beyond that.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 9:10:30 PM
Obama is going to reach out to Republicans? Now that's different. Hillary can't say that. She alway accused the right for all of Her and Bill's problems. I think this is the end of the Clintons as a political force.
Posted by: Waggdogg | Feb 10, 2008 9:15:52 PM
So, Sen. Obama again says he doesn't care about the voters of Florida and lumps in Ohio (Becasue he thinks he will lose there too.)
Posted by: Florida Democrat | Feb 10, 2008 9:19:36 PM
Waggdogg - that's the part of his change message that attracts me.
I'm more than ready for a president who will act a little more adult toward the partisan debates that will, and should, continue. We don't want one party rule, but there seems to be a lot of us who do want a little more maturity as these issues are debated.
I saw that possibility in Obama last March or April. I think its a real strength, at least with independents. I think a lot of us are tired of 'leaders' who seem more childish than the people they represent.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 9:20:35 PM
Florida Democrat - you guys are putting the DNC in a real spot. If they give in to your 'demands,' they might go on to having even bigger problems with party members from other states, which did follow the rules.
I'm from Virginia. We rarely have a say in these nominating races. This time we do, but that's the exception. Our state didn't move up its primary to January, in violation of rules from both major parties.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 9:23:52 PM
Hillary = divisiveness, lies, dishonesty
Barack = honesty, trustworthiness, sincerity, honor and achievement
Posted by: Jill | Feb 10, 2008 9:42:33 PM
Obama is not in touch with reality about the balance of power and how it shifts with Presidential elections. His unrealist pronouncment of his power to ensure both houses and governerships is demonstrative of how naive he is. His attempt to paint Hillary with the status quo brush is feeble. Hillary has worked with Republicans, McCain for one, and others to get legislation passed. I thought it was rather egotistical and presumptive to assume that Hillary supporters would fall automatically to him should he win the nomiation. It's not that easy. That also was a rather naive presumption. Senator Obama has a lot to learn about this process, I hope I don't have to suffer through the "training". John McCain would chew him like a hungry dog on a new bone. We would have to mute the sound and send children from the room should that debate occur. Hillary 08!
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | Feb 10, 2008 10:03:54 PM
Amazon - the candidate you are calling naive and a fairy tale is ahead of your candidate in pledged delegates. Doesn't say much for Senator Clinton, does it?
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 10:14:40 PM
"Obama´s rethoric is not plain American blunt speech. He plays a different game. Can´t figure it our yet what it is but it is different. I have lived 10 years in China and many more in third world countries. His promises smell "populist"...seen many of those leaders..I´m 83 years old."
I have to concur with Fernando. Same experience here. I've worked and lived in 3rd world countries for many years, too. Obama's skillful manipulation of the mass and media look and smell dangerous. Induce the craze, avoid the specifics. Recruit opportunists to your hollow platform. Use the opportunists to fuel more disillusioned mass. More mass attracts opportunists. Seen this many times. Very dangergous indeed.
Posted by: Trent | Feb 10, 2008 10:19:58 PM
ddd edwasss - hmmm, so your complaint with Obama supporters is that they won't vote for Clinton, which you voiced while adding that Clinton supporters will vote Republican rather than for Obama?
Do you see any disconnect there?
Posted by: Paul | Feb 10, 2008 10:23:52 PM
At yesterday's TV apperance of Michelle Obama she deliberately declared that she will not vote for Hillary if her husband will not get the democratic nomination. Why did the American Media shove this comment in their silent archive? Had that comment came from President Clinton, the media would have painted negative to all net works and may have crossified him for such remark! Why should America allow such bias?
Posted by: Jack&pay | Feb 10, 2008 10:34:17 PM
Obama is a great leader. I will not let the media change my mind. I know Obama know wht it is like to live in poverty. I know he is the best canidate for the job. He went to one of the best law schools and suceeded. It was hard for him, but he made it. I know we ned some one like Obama to run this country. Hillary is great, but Obama is the best. I do not like to look back, I wished we had someone like Obama when I was a single divorced mother.Obama will not give up without a fight. Integrity, honesty, and credibility. He know the roads will be hard and the mountains are steep, but when he get to the top he will be The United States of America President. Obama will bring our country together.
Posted by: Wanda Cobb | Feb 10, 2008 10:38:14 PM
Obama is a great leader. I will not let the media change my mind. I know Obama know wht it is like to live in poverty. I know he is the best canidate for the job. He went to one of the best law schools and suceeded. It was hard for him, but he made it. I know we ned some one like Obama to run this country. Hillary is great, but Obama is the best. I do not like to look back, I wished we had someone like Obama when I was a single divorced mother.Obama will not give up without a fight. Integrity, honesty, and credibility. He know the roads will be hard and the mountains are steep, but when he get to the top he will be The United States of America President. Obama will bring our country together.
Posted by: Wanda Cobb | Feb 10, 2008 10:38:16 PM
With the Republican nomination wrapped up, Republicans voted in great numbers for Obama in the Democratic Party caucuses today. All that is certain is that most if not all of these voters in traditional Republican states will vote for McCain and do not want Hillary Clinton. Obama will spin this as more evidence that he will take Republican votes in November. This is his massively delusional political speak, moving Democrats toward certain destruction in November.
That people would have the audacity to claim that the most liberal senator in the US Senate will draw Republicans is the biggest joke Republicans have played on Democrats in twenty-five years. That the Democratic Party is so delusional shows the difference between the silly Democrats and serious Republicans in this and every other election in the last twenty-five years.
In one Democratic Party caucus on the Eastside of Washington's Seattle area, three high school seniors claimed they were in the right caucus, admitted that they had been Ron Paul voters, plan to vote for McCain, but voted for Obama. These young Republicans realized that in many caucuses, the vote could be small enough that they could affect the outcome and there would be nothing that would affect McCain. So they were voting for Obama at the Democratic Party caucus. They were allowed to come in and vote about thirteen minutes late. So it went, for certain, all over the two caucus states. Voters for Republicans in November lined up for Obama, the certain loser in November. In fact, Obama has a lead over McCain only due to the undecideds. Many will come back to McCain or will not vote in November once the handwriting is on the wall. And that is if anyone is foolish enough to consider the polls at all accurate.
Lancaster County Democrats designated 53 caucus locations, and was the last county in the state to caucus. The proceedings were just beginning at 6 p.m. Officials said they saw a number of registered Republicans changing their party affiliation at polling sites "just to participate in the process." This will prove nothing in Republican states. Until the Fall, of course.
Posted by: cynthia | Feb 10, 2008 10:39:16 PM
Well, then, here's one for Michelle Obama, Despite that we are true and true democrats, me and my whole family are voting for McCain if Hillary is not nominated. Is that even? And we will campaign more...
Posted by: Jolley Bee | Feb 10, 2008 10:41:06 PM
Those of you who state that Obama is avoiding the specifics are relying way too much on 10 second media sound bytes as a way to get your information. If you took the time to do some resarch by reading up on his policies on his website, you would see that they are very specific. As one other person stated, there are several other RELIABLE websites that can break things down as well. I read far too many posts that say the same thing . . . "He's all talk. It's all rhetoric." Just do a little research. If you don't agree with his views after that, fine. But at least demonstrate you are capable of some critical thinking. Most people are too lazy to get current on the issues and rely on the media to do it. This is a big mistake. The media has become more interested in generating conflict than having any kind of meaningful discussion. I have read about where Obama stands on all the issues on several websites (I like the fact checking ones myself). He wasn't my first choice and like all politicians, he has not been 100% accurate in a some of his ads (neither has anyone else for that matter, so that's pretty much a wash). But it pales in comparison to what I have seen in the past. I believe that if he is the nominee, he can put together an effective team to get us through this period and on to better times. His healthcare plan is more realistic because it involves a fair amount of partnering and risk sharing between the government and employers. That's the big reason I give him the nod over Clinton. I don't have the confidence that she can build consensus. Nothing in her record seriously speaks to that.
Posted by: KarlD_Navy84 | Feb 10, 2008 10:44:54 PM
Republicans are going to kick us in the tail again, because were falling for it. Read the blog before this.
Be careful Obama, you may win this only because the Republicans want you to. It's better to have you in for 4 years than to have a nice long run with Hillary as President, you as V.P. and then you as President afterwards. They would rather have you in first if they have to lose the White House, because they are counting on you to blow it right away. You don't have the experience that Hillary has.
Posted by: cynthia | Feb 10, 2008 10:45:20 PM
I'm for Hillary and used to think I would vote for McCain if Obama won the nomination. If there is no third party nomination I will simply stay home. I can't believe that Americans are deserting the best Democratic nominee in years for what? Empty promises and the cult of personality. Who is Barack Obama? Do any of his supporters really know or care? Please, any of you who have not yet voted, look up who his backers are, his speech writers, where he gets his money, how he bought his house, his connections to Rezko. Read about his egomania. Think about his sexist remarks to Senator Clinton. Please, just think before you vote.
Posted by: Jackie | Feb 10, 2008 10:45:27 PM
Hey Chris Goodman, I can only hope that the air you want to breath is going to be true "fresh air to breath" if you vote for Obama. No doubt Sen. Obama can talk but remember this, can his talking holds water and can you bring his words to your bank when he is elected? He promised too many things, I doubt very much if he can even acoomplish 1/4 of them. Think, when a person talk too much, he is not much of a doer.
Posted by: Cepcion | Feb 10, 2008 10:48:31 PM
lots of sour grapes. tom i agree. regular folks are stupid. they should all vote for clinton if they weren't. they aren't living in the real world. they don't know what their lives look like. they don't know what their inspirations are. i definitely will vote for clinton because even if she's got 100% name recognition, she can't close the deal against a guy who a year ago would only get 40% recognition. even if the only reason we would ever nominate her is because she knows how to win, but she can't even win against this guy who doesn't have a 16 year old political machine working for him. even if she's got the highest negatives of all people, and even if she got elected she wouldn't be able to get anything done, not because she isn't smart enough, but because repubs will take pride in opposing anything she says no matter how important and non-polarizing the issues are. even though she would unite repubs against her. even though we're not at ease with what role bill would hold in teh gov't (we love bill), even though we know the repubs will use that to create a malaise with voters about him, even tough we hunger for a new politics. even if we hunger for a slogan that says "YES SHE CAN" instead of "yes we can". even if we don't believe much in what she says but faithfully think she'll work for us (no one can doubt that, for real). even if the rationale for her candidacy is not made other than "it's her turn", "she's got the connections", "she's got bill", "she's smart"...
so, you all know that i would be stupid to go with obama. vote clinton 08. for real folks. don't listen to the rest of the country. they don't know what they're talking about. they aren't living in teh real world. they aren't even real. it's all a fantasy. perhaps even a fairytale. don't choose transparency over backroom deals. don't do such stuff, because that wouldn't be good, and anyone who suggest otherwise is a fool and must be dreamin'. in fact, they must be hopemongers.
Posted by: lupercal | Feb 10, 2008 10:55:39 PM
Obama's successes, including winning Maine, aren't merely about his bringing people together. The media has played a great part in his successes by making him look better than Hillary, by never scrutinizing him; as if he's just perfect so there is nothing to scrutinize in him. Obama has earned nothing!!!
Posted by: Stfluttr | Feb 10, 2008 10:57:09 PM
Obama's successes, including winning Maine, aren't merely about his bringing people together. The media has played a great part in his successes by making him look better than Hillary, by never scrutinizing him; as if he's just perfect so there is nothing to scrutinize in him. Obama has earned nothing!!!
Posted by: Stfluttr | Feb 10, 2008 10:58:47 PM
If Obama is nominated for the Dems, I a black 48 year old woman is voting republican for the first time.
Posted by: toby olive | Feb 10, 2008 11:07:10 PM
What does this 3 to 5% margin amongst VOTERS -many who are independents and youngster of course - got to do with winning over REPUBLICANS in the senate.
This is just another psych show by Obama -the empty suit - to make nothing look like something.
The prez has NO power to elect the senate. His endorsements mean nothing. He has no power to influence politics. Rarely does the president even go up to capital hill.
This isnt a bush clinton (like both families are the same ) thing. This has gone on for something like 100 years.
I feel very sad for america if it honestly believes Obama has a magic wand no other president has ever had to force people to do what he wants.
We are in for a HORRIBLE 4 years if this guy takes office. He will not deliver on one single thing.
Posted by: tom | Feb 10, 2008 11:08:03 PM
ill bet thousands of democrats like me are with michelle obama on this- i wont vote for hillary clinton should she win the nomination. she promises health care by the end of her second term- pretty presumptious to assume shell have two terms even though she hasnt been elected to one term yet.
she casts obama as the "establishment" candidate, reinvents herself as the candidate of "change" and wants us to believe that after 35 years of "experience"
she is the "underdog", that she is on the outside looking in? Doesnt that seem a little too farfetched and self-serving? the fact is she cant accept she is in deep trouble. throwing patti solis under the bus is the way you deal with a crisis? she has no leadership skills, poor judgement, and is either a megalomaniac or a pathological liar suffering from some sort of identity issue. liberal?
conservative? race/gender baiter? this is what we want to lead the country? Obama understands this is not about one person- it is about all of us. hillary to use her own phrase is "in it to win it"- for herself. if you are a democrat, barak obama is the only choice. if you are a human being, barak obama is the only choice. and if you have a conscience and
consider integrity, vision, and intelligence importance parts of leadership, barak obama is the only choice. other than being a democrat, the only demographic i fall into is human, and as such, i am with barak obama.
Posted by: jake | Feb 10, 2008 11:08:52 PM
The Obama's need to read the book that was written by then Chief of Staff to Jacqueline Kennedy in the White House, Letita Baldridge.
Letita Baldrige's New Complete Guide to Executive Manners. "America's bestselling Guide to Business Manners-Revised and Rewritten-To answer all your questions about the Changes in Life at Work today."
You both need to read this book. It's very informative.
Hillary Clinton 08
Posted by: Jersey Girl | Feb 11, 2008 12:55:02 AM
It's fascinating to see how many people put time into reading, watching and then writing something about this election but never actually pay more attention to the candidates than they do to their own preconceptions.
It's amazing to me that anyone who is actually listening to Obama can say that he appears to be doing this more for himself than for the country or it's people.
It's amazing to me that anyone who is actually listening to the Clintons can say that they are doing this for anyone other than themselves.
Language is a complicated thing.
The Clintons are skilled language manipulators. Mis directing attention is a learned skill. Not being mis directed is also a learned skill.
Every American is capable of learning how to listen. It's not painful, everyone benefits when awareness rises.
Here is a recent example:
If someone is being pimped, what does that say about whom?
It says that someone is manipulating someone else. It is a statement about manipulation for the ill gotten gains of the manipulator at the expense of the manipulated.
It is a sad enough situation when any human being manipulates another but when it is parents manipulating their own child or leaders manipulating the poor or children or the under underprivileged that is as low as humans can go.
How is it that 98% of the people in this country including the idiot who made the accurate observation and chose the wrong word to express it allowed the Clintons to mis-direct their attention and create the illusion that their child was being unfairly attacked by someone other than themselves?
This is just frightening.
Wake up folks. Doublespeak, doublethink, thoughtcrime. Don't let yourself be victimized. It's not worth it.
Posted by: NOT HRC | Feb 11, 2008 2:12:28 AM
Obama is asking Americans to work with him, so Americans won't turn his back to any empty promises such as Clinton's. He wants to govern with the people, not govern the people!
Posted by: carmen | Feb 11, 2008 3:47:56 AM
My Dear Friends:
is the US out of talent, so it is either a Bushies or a Clinton?! a very much reminded by the third world, and sheikhs! Egypt president' son is the president, Libya president' daughter in the president, etc etc ... (those aint even a Monarchy)
Dream Ticket, is Edwards running with Obama, and Clinton for the Dep. of Family affairs ..
Posted by: Hamza | Feb 11, 2008 8:24:29 AM
Once again, seems the Obama bashers were active overnight. Good thing these primaries and caucuses are held mostly in daylight, or Obama would be in trouble.
Speaking of primaries, my state goes tomorrow. I'm excited - usually the nominating races are done by the time they get to us. And let's see, for whom shall I vote? Oh what the heck, might as well pull the lever for Obama.
Actually there isn't a lever to pull anymore in my precinct, and I'm nostalgic for those mechanical machines. I don't like the electronic ones we've been using for the past several years so much - and we have elections every year. The state delegates come up in odd years, so we literally vote in general elections every November, in addition to party primaries.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 11, 2008 9:53:50 AM
Obama forces in Michigan want us to just forget we held a primary -- that sort of politics is about as old as it gets.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 11, 2008 10:43:37 AM
It amazes me to see that regardless if the ex got disbarred, caught committing perjury, enact NAFTA, enact 3 strikes law, enact the China Trade, travel-gate and the rest of the mess people would rather pick the Clintons over a fresh, new face with new ideas and no skeltons in his closet, owes no one except the American people.
American has been mistreated for so long they do not know when the right thing comes along.
Posted by: ohnonotagain | Feb 11, 2008 1:20:31 PM
If Obama is INexperienced and Clinton is experienced. I have seen what experience can do to #### it up. Inexperience couldn't do worse.
Posted by: ChgoSaint | Feb 11, 2008 1:49:31 PM
Hey Jane,
Michigcan held a primary but it didn't count because you decided to go against the wishes of the Democratic policy. All the candidates agreed that it wouldn't count. What part of your stupid frozen brain can't wrap itself around those two facts? And now you have Hillary trying to cheat by insisting that a state that wasn't supposed to count, where turnout was incredibly low compared to the rest of the country, where hers was the only name on the ballot should count because she's behind and needs those delegates? That's old politics for you. Say one thing and then do another. Lie and cheat. More of the same. And as long as people like you are stupid enough to fall for it well then we get the leaders we deserve, not the leaders we need.
Posted by: James Brown | Feb 11, 2008 2:14:12 PM
James Brown - come on, guy. Jane didn't have anything to do with the decision to push the primary dates up.
If I was a Michigan or Florida party member, I'd be upset, too.
I agree that people from Michigan and Florida who are taking their grievances out on the DNC or, worse, on the Obama campaign, are reacting toward the wrong targets. They ought to be mad at whoever in their respective states decided to not heed the DNC warnings and push their dates into January.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 11, 2008 2:21:27 PM
I've been following Obama's campaign and to this day I still don't know how different his policies are from mainstream. When people talk about him he is somebody with new ideas, etc. Change from what to what? I'm really trying to get on the bandwagon here, but I'm afraid I may just be counted as one of those caught up in the Obama Hype if I don't know where this is heading. iIs stump speeches are getting old - Hope, dream, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: Felicia | Feb 11, 2008 6:32:51 PM
Obama claims to be the candidate of change; that he'll unite the country and lead us in a new direction. Isn't this the same crap we get told to us every 8 years? Are people so ignorant that they don't realize that every newcomer to the Presidential arena makes this claim? Our current President made these same claims 8 years ago. Look where we are now. And what was so bad about the Clinton Presidency? The fact that right-wing christians took over their party, signed a "Contract w/America" that was a total bust, and spent millions of our tax dollars to find out that the President couldn't keep his pants zipped.
Bottom-line is when Bill Clinton was President, we had a balanced budget and were well on our way in reducing the Federal Deficit. It's too bad that things were soooo bad back then.
Posted by: Mark Brattin | Feb 11, 2008 7:01:16 PM
Felicia - if you want to read the Obama campaign roadmap for change, its on his website.
The part I initially latched onto, long before that thing was even written, was that in Obama I saw someone who seems to share my desire for more mature public leadership. I've had enough of the stupid trench wars. I want to get back to the days where these guys can respectfully debate the partisan differences all day, and then head out to the Hawk n Dove together that night.
I miss those days. I miss being able to look up to these people. Anyway, in Obama I see at least one who seems to share the sentiment.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 11, 2008 10:49:22 PM
Again. How many SCATHING attacks like this from Obama make him the great 'uniter' . How can he support clinton if she wins. He looks like a hot windbag . I cant even begin to tally up the ridiculous anti clinton remarks the goof is making. He is supposed to be in the same party. There is NO WAY I vote for Barack Obama. I vote John Mc Cain all the way. So will most of the clinton supporters. The guy is just being a jerk at this stage.
Posted by: tom | Feb 11, 2008 11:57:33 PM
narcissists never last? then how the heck do you explain the clintons? puh-lease. and sorry, what 35 years experience? is that bill's experience bc as far as i know she is a junior senator. her little health care fiasco cost the united states probably $13M and she has passed NO major legislation while a senator. don't forget she had to return all the furniture and dishes to the white house and don't forget white water... remember whitewater? and where exactly does she stand on the issues bc i have heard yes, no, maybe, sometimes, most of the time, none of the time, all of the time come out of her mouth on ALL the major issues. oh, except illegal immigration--she is definitely for that one. i am a 40 year old woman, legal immigrant, a garcia at that--i never would vote for her, ever.
Posted by: anny | Feb 12, 2008 9:51:37 AM
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