I agree with Bill this is just stupid we all know that no one will ever believe this is right how unfair have we gone crazy?

I have always been a Bill Clinton fan, however, I am getting very tired of his shenanigans. He knew exactly what he was doing with his comments this past weekend when he implied that Barack is not patriotic and here he goes again. FL & MI broke the rules and they knew they were breaking the rules. Obama 2008!!!

Good for you president clinton. Its true he slants this for his wife, but what he is saying is TRUE. Its also a fact that both Hillary and Obama agreed the vote shoulndt count, but neither thought they would need the vote to put them over the top.

Hanging them out to dry -yet NEEDING SUPERDELEGATES to decide the thing - is just plain stupid.

If Howard Dean knew that the race would be this close, and the SUPER DELEGATES would have to decide it, then he would never have taken all the delegates away. He probably would have gone for a 1/2 thing like the republicans.

The fact is OBAMA is not so secretly trying to BLOCK the revote. This is totally uncool, and Mc Cain will hit Obama over the head with it in the general election.

Obama is unelectable folks. Dont make the mistake of RAMMING him down our throats because he won caucus's and red states he cant win in the general election

Dem. supposes to win this election but
commit Harakiri itself. How can we do
enfrancise two very large important
states like Michigan and Florida and
expect to win the election?

I bet Brett Farve would sure like to re-do that last interception he threw. YOU DO NOT CHANGE RULES AT HALFTIME. Why don't people understand this? Many people didn't even vote in FL & MI because they knew it wouldn't count and the candidates did not campaign there so you can't count those votes. I don't understand why Hillary left her name on the ballot in MI. Obama 2008!!

How can you not count two large states like Michigan and Florida? You will have some ###### off democrats come November

I only have one question to the American public

WHO WANTS A PRESIDENT THAT WILL NOT SALUTE THE AMERICAN FLAG AND WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN MADE BY ALL CANIDATES IN THIS POLITICAL MESS?

I had thought Obama was the right person for the job until I read and saw this. NO MORE.

When the DNC decided to exclude Florida and Michigan, Clinton went along with it and approved it. But just as a little extra "insurance", she went to Florida the day of voting, which none of the other candidates did. She also put her name on the Mich. ballot which none of the others did. Maybe she was preparing for a "just in case" scenario such as the one that is transpiring now. I don't think Hillary ever expected to go up against a strong candidate like Barack and now she refuses to acknowledge she is not going to win the nomination.

Bill Clinton is 100% correct this time. The voting situation in Florida and Michigan SHOULD be unconstitutional. The public is being excluded from the election process; this doesn't sound like the same America in which I was born. Florida and Michigan are worried about the "cost". How about the "cost" to our way of life? The entire nominating process needs an overhaul, with every state holding a BINDING primary election on the same date, along with abolishing the conventions. Caucuses should be outlawed completely.

Nobody has EVER won the white house when losing the Ohio, Pennysvannia and California primiaries. Ever. Not once. Forget it. Finished.

But hey, Obama has won more caucus's and red states he has no hope in during the general election.

See how electable he is !!!!!
This too was before the Wright scandal . Now, if you were to redo the votes, he doesnt have any advantage whatsoever.

If the democratic party insists on putting up a guy who will get perpetually SAND BAGGED AND SWIFT BOATED all thru the general election, they are dumber than I thought.

But then again, its all backed by Kerry and Kennedy and Pelosi, the biggest losers in the democratic party.

Folks, I wonder why everyone thinks Mccain will win in Nov. He's the oldest candidate ever (out of touch with most folks), and he's got only one thing to run on-Iraq, and that's going bad. Dems, finish this fight for the nomination quickly and let's take the Mccains on.

tomdavie, I've never been a Hillary Clinton "fan", but I am now! BHO's dirty laundry has been displayed early enough that we can see through the charisma and oratory. Let's hope it's not too late. Old Man McCain's chances have improved greatly in the last couple of weeks, but if the Democrats still want to get into the White House it will be through Hillary, if at all.

I don't buy the disenfranchized argument with FL & MI. If I was from one of these states I would not vote for McCain because some idiots from my state elected to move the primary up, which everyone knew was against the rules. I would not vote for McCain and continue this terrible war indefinitely, just because I want to get back at the DNC..... Let's give FL & MI votes more credit than that. Obama 2008!

Here we go!

Can you see the red-faced former president trying to change the election rules now that Hillary is mathematically defeated by a total newcomer? Whining and crying, lying and conflating, indignant finger pointing, the whole sleazy Clinton bag of tricks. Takes me back to the 1990s. She's already getting caught in a bunch of campaign lies about NAFTA, Bosnia, you name it. These people are either pathetic or hilarious.

Against the "rules"? WHOSE rules?! Since when do party officials in their "smoke-filled rooms" behind closed doors have the right to decide for whom we can vote? This is "Boss Tweed" politics, which went out of style in the 1930's. We need OPEN elections, or our system is no better than Russia's, where voters have a choice of one candidate. If you don't call it "disenfranchised", what DO you call it?!

I only hope Hillary doesn't give up; she is our last chance! Keep fighting, Hillary!

I feel that the people who voted in MI and FL should have their votes counted. The heck with a re do.
Obama be DAMNED just like his Minister says. Obama is not for a ONE America he is only for a BLACK America

These Obama lovers keep saying he has 'mathematically eliminated' Clinton. Im cracking up. Obama cant get 2024 delegates. He NEEDS the super delegates.

The super delegates need to pick the person who is most electable. Not just do what the Obama zombies want. Obama is unelectable now.

The super hype has been exposed. The media shield is gone. He cannot close the pandoras box and go back to his MESSIAH days.

The Obama lovers insist somehow Obama has won? He CANT WIN . He CANT get 2024 delegates on his own. The super delegates must decide. If Obama is unelectable, then they aint nominating him are they?

Idiots.

Not only did Howard Dean pull a brain #### on taking ALL the delegates away, he needs to get RID of these stupid caucus's. Primaries mirror a general election. They should have 50 primaries to select the nominee. Caucus's disenfranchise too many elderly and others who cant come within the couple of hours specified.

Rhys, these are the RULES set up by each party. I too wish there were not an electorial college, since Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000. (Sure would have saved this country from the HUGE mess we have now.) It sounds like you never played sports otherwise you would understand why there are RULES. Let's all hope FL & MI don't screw up again in the Fall........ Obama 2008!!!

tomdavie, you're right, but that's only part of the story. In our state (and a few others), they have a CLOSED caucus! These things are attended ONLY by party bosses and the public is not permitted to participate even if they CAN get there! Caucuses are completely WRONG for America!

I am telling you all this right now.

If Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy INSIST on shoving Obama down our throats just because he has 'more' delegates, and he then goes off and gets CRUSHED in the general election (which I find highly likely) then the whole democratic party is going to split right in half.

Kerry and Kennedy can form their own super liberal party, and the Clintons can form their own centrist party for people who live in reality. At least the clintons won 2 terms as president. Kerry and Kennedy have done nothing but LOST.

Every time they show Obama's church with those crazy hateful people jumping up and down, tapping the Rev. on the shoulder while he speaks (what's up with that?) and clapping and hollering, America gets a good look at what kind of shenanigans would be going on in the sacred White House.

Uh, no thanks.

It clearly is an attempt by the Obama campaign to disenfranchise voters in my state. I am deeply dissapointed at DNC and Obama.

If FL and MI are note counted, I am chaning my affiliation to Republican.

Chame on Obama!

pt, I completely agree with you about the Electoral College. The last President who tried to abolish it was Richard Nixon, and he was "tarred and feathered" for a meaningless escapade which accomplished nothing and hurt no one. Caucuses are just as exclusive as the Electoral College when it comes to disregarding the will of the voters, and the conventions are even worse. We need BINDING primaries in EVERY state. This way, everyone's vote counts!

Sounds like more Clintonian D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N to me.

Bill is a disgraceful buffoon.

If not for these video tapes of Rev. Wright, he would be the one holding the Bible for the swearing in ceremony of Barack. Can you just imagine this America hater in that sacred ceremony?? He shouldn't be allowed within 100 yards of the White House.

ROTFLMAO You mean AFTER his wife desinfranchised them back when she agreed to desinfranchise them? LOL Oh that's right under the reasoning of Penn & Wolfie that didn't count because in her black heart she really didn't mean it..just like she didn't mean to lie about ducking sniper fire in Bosnia and didn't really support NAFTA when she was caught being a cheerleader for it in over major meetings.....Bill is nothig more than a joke and aside that has to be explained away these days.

Split the delegates down the middle, 50-50, and then seat 'em all at the convention in August. There's no other way now. Accept it, and let's get on with CRUSHING John W. McBush -- our REAL enemy, and a prospective THIRD BUSH TERM for certain.

Several points that are being confused here.
1. Everyone signed the rules. You break the rules, you get penalized. nuff said
2. Both sides are trying to have their cake and eat it too. Welcome to politics. You don't like it? Start your own party and see how far you get.
3. Boycott the DNC? Feel free to vote for the candidate that most closely matches your views. This is what you should do in any case.
4. Anyone who believes that the dems will not carry CA regardless of who one the primary is deluding themselves. In fact, HC's supporters are much more likely to support BO than JM.

Take each comment from the campains with a grain of cynicism and your likely to see everythign in a more realistic light. As an example, why would HC (and BC) start the "BO would make a great VP" thing? Because they're trying to get the fence sitters to believe they can vote for HC and get BO for free.

Need more? Try this one: JM continues to "mix up" Al Quaida and Iran backed extremists. Why? Because he wants everyone to think they are the same so that he can start up the draft to staff the war in Iran.

O in 08!

Clinton is the one who won't agree to split them. Obama has already agreed! LOL It's Hillary spin time to say it's Obama. She will only agree to FRANCHISE them IF and ONLY IF it benefits her LOL

Rhys, you are so correct. Trinity Church was well known for it's extremist-marxist doctrine way before Obama joined. There is no excuse. People chose churches based on what they believe is being taught. For Obama to claim ignorance is just beyond hilarious.

Hillary did not win those election because they were not elections...say it one more time and perhaps it will sink in...Hillary did not win those elections. They rules were broken and now it stands. Deal with it.

Bill needs to speak much slower for the Obama hard left wingers to somehow understand no campaign can simply GIVE FL and MI to the republicans even BEFORE the general begins. What don't the Obama camp understand?

COUNT THE VOTES IN FL AND MI!
WHY HAS IT BECOME SO DIFFICULT IN THIS COUNTRY TO SIMPLY:
COUNT ALL VOTES!!

If I were Bill I would also do ANY and EVERYTHING to get her elected. Could you imagine being her husband after she looses this election. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

ROTFLMAO, OBAMA IS A JOKE! I THINK THAT A LOT OF DEMOCRATS WILL BE VOTING REPUBLICAN THIS GENERAL ELECTION IF BARRACK HUESSIN OBAMA IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT. WE WILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO SHARPTON, JACKSON AND WRIGHT AND THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

HILLARY '08

Republicans like myself are just sitting back and enjoying the two democrat contenders sloshing around in the mud. This is the most fun we've had since the day after the 2004 election when the Kerry supporters were bawling after Bush won yet again.

Who does Bill blame for disenfranchising them? Clearly he must be directing that claim at the DNC of both states. They were the ones who moved the date despite the rule. Every other state adhered to the rule, what makes MI and FL think that it doesn't apply to them as well. Just sit tight and wait until the fall for your votes to count. The Clinton camp must think America is full of half-wits and dim-wits to think that this argument can hold water. When you are in a hole don't just keep digging. They need to now focus on the Bosnia trip spin. Hillary told an unmitigated lie about nothing and now her credibility is shot.

Jackt51-What does it take for hard left wingers such as yourself to somehow understand no campaign can simply GIVE FL and MI to the republicans even BEFORE the general begins. But if you insist, then perhaps you can explain how you see any democrat winning the White House including Obama and especially because folks down FL see him as the problem. Considering that 28-36% of Fl democrats say they will vote republican if their votes are not counted. Plenty to put the republicans over the top there.

Hillary did not win those election because they were not elections...say it one more time and perhaps it will sink in...Hillary did not win those elections. They rules were broken and now it stands. Deal with it.

___________________
IF FLORIDA AND NMICHIGAN WERE NO VOTES, THERE WOULD BE NO VOTING BOOTHS LURING PEOPLE TO VOTE. THERE WAS A LEGITALTELY CONDUCTED ELECTION THERE.
HAD OBAMA WON, THE MEDIA WOULD BE UP IN ARMS ASKING THEY BE COUNTED.THEY ARE TRYING TO SWINDLE CLINTON OUT OF THIS ELECTION. HOWARD DEAN, COUNT THE VOTES!!!!!!!!!

why is this sooo difficult?? why do we need to fight for this basic democratic right?? what is going on??

COUNT THE VOTES IN FL AND MI!
WHY HAS IT BECOME SO DIFFICULT IN THIS COUNTRY TO SIMPLY:
COUNT ALL VOTES!!

The Florida and Michigan democratic hierarchies created this mess. At least put the blame where it belongs.

It wasn't Dean. It wasn't the DNC. It wasn't the republicans. It wasn't aliens. It was state-wide democrats who tried to beat the system. Florida and Michigan voters need to extract revenge on their own state democrats -- not some imaginary entity.

If Obama needed these two states you can rest assured Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be in the streets demanding that every vote be counted and that every vote count! He would be making all kinds of speeches about how the people of Florida and Michigan were being disinfranchised. But since it may benefit Hillary they are silent and even working behind the scenes to prevent a revote!

I don't care what party rules say no party can have as its core that people who voted will not have their votes counted, it is fundamentally undemocratic. I see that the party rules allow for all the superdelegates to vote for whom ever they want yet Obama says that they must follow the will of the voters. So when it comes to counting votes he says rules are rules but when to comes to superdelegates he says that the rules should be broken!

hillary stands up for the Votes that she thinks count in her favor. She was all for the rules and then all for dumping those delegates prior to those primaries going forward. She was all for caucuses until she lost Iowa. Doan't anyone else find it curious that the only states that "really matter" are the ones that she wins. As if winning states in a primary has ANYTHINg to do with winning those states in general election.

this is NOT about Obama or about Clinton!
what is the matter with you?
IT'S ABOUT COUNTING ALL VOTES IN AN ELECTION!!!

COUNT THE VOTES IN FL AND MI!
WHY HAS IT BECOME SO DIFFICULT IN THIS COUNTRY TO SIMPLY:
COUNT ALL VOTES!!

Oh dear, Bill is calling out his wife for agreeing in writing that delegates from MI and FL would not be seated?

That doesn't seem to be very nice of him after all he put her through. Poor dear.

That is what he's saying, right? I mean she did 100% agree with all of the rules and signed off on not counting MI and FL, so that is the only thing he can be referring to.

Carl-Talk about the good old days, Carl. You know, when ONLY republicans did this sort of thing as we all claimed at the time. Nope! Thanks to the republicans we leaned how to disenfranchise voters ourselves. BUT we'll even go one better than the republicans, we'll disenfranchise TWO state to prove we are better at this game than the republicans ever dreamed.

Why is this Barack Obama's problem? This is between the state governments and the DNC. There are countless, legal justifications to not have a revote, and that is the end of it. You just can't do whatever the hell you want Hillary, when it has been deemed unfair and illegal. What is wrong with you people?

here's a news flash. Hillary made a speech on a future housing plan today in Philadelphia; what's so strange is that it is so similar to the memo Obama sent out March 2007 to Federal Reserve Chairman and Treasury Secretary. Hillary has a lot of gall and what she banks on is the American people not reading...

AVERAGE JOE-The reason? The Obama camp. Backed up by the Obama supporters as you can read for yourself. It isn't the voice of the people they want it's the voice of Obama whom they emulate at the expense of the people's voices. It is here in black and white for the world to see for themselves.

JJ: It is Obama's problem because he did not agree to the recount. He dragged his feet!

Yes, we make the rules and we change the rules when there is a need and when it makes sense to do so. This is such a tight race that every vote matters. And it is foolish to say "rules are rules." Besides, stripping MI and FL's delegates entirely in the first place was foolish already.

I’m from Florida and I was told the primary votes wouldn’t count. I don’t feel disenfranchised but right about now I do feel a little used. If my vote wasn’t a concern when pledges were signed, why is it so important now? I would respect the Clintons more if they would just say they looking for a way to win the nomination because that’s the truth. This fake concern for our rights just makes me angry.

WestCoastMessanger, DCVoter,Dogsoldier, MattOhio, Jay, Jo, Rhys, TJ, tomdavie et al, all HillLovers, the vote in FL and MI was not done under the DNC rules and regulations, and you all know that. A re-vote in FL and MI depends on the DNC and national entities' rules and regulations. But counting a vote under these circonstances will be illegal. PERIOD. The math is done, numbers have no feelings and the math is in favor of Obama, the writing is on the wall. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Why didn't we have this discussion when the rules were first introduced ? Oh Yeah, we did and all of the candidates agreed that they wouldn't count. Now the Clintons have changed their mind because it is convenient for them and they are dredging up the specter of voter disenfranchisement to blackmail the democratic party into changing the rules? They truly don't care about the party, they only care about themselves, and they don't care about those voters... Hillary is a hypocrite.

Too bad he and his wife didn't say this WHEN THEY DISENFRANCHISED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The tactic of agreeing to not count the votes and them losing and suddenly making it seem like you care obout the voters...when it really is the votes you care about ...

is the part that made this such a bad situation. If he and his wife and the campaign had not used this as a tactic and played the situation... it quite possible could have been more reasonable to do a revote (although there are many reasons that a revote is not happening)...

Like the war, like NAFTA, the time to stand up was before the destruction happens... but oh yeah ... and then when you are losing your position to twist it then doesn't help the voters... I would hope they would be insulted.

if Clinton were OK with not counting Fl and MI than that would have been fine. But CLINTON is running and SHE wants ALL VOTES to be counted!!

why do YOU think YOU have the right to take that away from HER??

this is NOT Obama's problem and it is NOT Clinton's problem.
IT IS OUR PROBLEM!!

without the votes we are NOTHING!!

COUNT THE VOTES IN FL AND MI!
WHY HAS IT BECOME SO DIFFICULT IN THIS COUNTRY TO SIMPLY:
COUNT ALL VOTES!!

If you are upset that Floridians didnt get to vote then Contact FL State Senator Jeremy Ring who is the DEMOCRAT that played political games with our vote...Put the Blame were it belongs...

I have been a Michigan native all of my life and I am amazed that Obama is taking the heat on Michigan/Florida revote issue. The MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE LEADERS OF WHICH ARE ALL IN THE CLINTON CAMP, HAVE PLAYED DIRTY POOL FROM THE GET GO! I am a retired teacher who spent every day trying to teach 3rd and 4th graders that we need to take responsibility for our actions, that it isn't okay to believe that rules don't apply..especially when those rules were decided democratically by the DNC. In fact, Harold ICKES, one of Hillary's head advisors, is on the RULES COMMITTEE. He helped formulate the rule stripping states who went ahead of delegates and now, of course, he's calling foul. Give me a break. Michiganders : OF COURSE WE ALL WANT TO HAVE OUR VOTES COUNT...but don't misplace the blame for the fact that we were all denied. Jennifer Granholm, Carl Levin, Debbie Dingel, Debbie Stabenow, who have had my support for years, MADE THE DECISION TO BREAK THE RULES, they are responsible for this debacle...not the candidates!

last time i've checked there were VALID elections both in FL and MI.
whoever wanted to vote, went out there and had a ballot to express their will.

WHY WASN"T OBAMA on the ballot in MI??

who made the decision to take him OFF the ballot and WHY??

WHAT IF YOUR VOTE DIDN"T COUNT?
WHAT IF YOU WERE RUNNING AND WANTED ALL VOTES TO BE COUNTED?
why are you turning the other way now - because it is convenient to do so huh?

this is NOT Obama's problem and it is NOT Clinton's problem.
IT IS OUR PROBLEM!!

without the votes we are NOTHING!!

COUNT THE VOTES IN FL AND MI!
WHY HAS IT BECOME SO DIFFICULT IN THIS COUNTRY TO SIMPLY:
COUNT ALL VOTES!!

DL-How do I know? Obama! He stood on that stage and he said I can no more distance myself and all that garbage. Then he threw grandma under the bus and kept Wright. Good enough for me.

The Michigan and Florida congress are to blame not Barack Obama. They won't allow voters who already voted, vote in the new Re-vote. Why the heck would BO approve something like that?

Rainy-Simple. Wright them off. Clear win for the republicans. Case closed.

Obama promised to FL voters that he would do everything he can to have their votes counted when he visited there last fall, now he and his campaign have been doing everything they can to prevent the votes to be counted (even again a do-over). Words are just words? What a joke!

The Florida & Michigan "situation" is one that FL & MI legislators (wrongly) decided on (WITHOUT the consent of their consituents, I might add!). It had absolutley NOTHING to do with either HRC or BO and cannot be resolved by either campaign.

It is a far more complicated situation than Bill Clinton would suggest. A re-do necessarily "disenfranchises" all voters (Independent, Dem & Rep) who "used" their vote in the MI Republican primary simply because they knew their vote would not count in the Democratic primary. These voters would not be allowed to cast a vote in a re-do primary. This is just one of the problems.

If Bill Clinton wants to talk 'disenfranchisment' and 'un-american and that this situation 'is in opposition to our democratic principles', then he ought to figure out how HRC will legitimately argue that the word "Uncommitted" on MI primary ballot should be reinterpreted as representing the candidate: Barack Obama.

If MI delegates were seated in accordance with the (unsanctioned)January primary (which is HRC's argument), it would represent a fundamental disrespect of democratic principles, voter's rights and the rule of law.

That is a load of crap. EVERYONE knew Florida and Michigan votes would not count. I think they should be allowed at the convention, but they shouldn't get to have a high-stakes say in who the nominee is, after cutting in line the first time. Doesn't deliver much of a message.

Why are these FL and MI people angry with their own State's elected officials as they are the people who decided to change the rule and move the primary date up to vote early. It was NOT the fault of the DNC. It was their own "elected officials". If they want to do something to correct this, they should not vote again for the people they elected/chose in the first place. THIS IS NOT A FAULT OF THE DNC. THESE STATES KNEW THE RULES AS LAID OUT BY THE DNC CHARTER AND BYLAWS, BUT DECIDED TO CHANGE THE RULES KNOWING FULL WELL THE CONSEQUENCES! They have only their elected officials to blame!

This is ridiculous, and the fact that the Clinton think voters are so stupid that they don't know what's going on shows how confident she is in her wool.

Here's what Hillary said last fall, about why she didn't take her name off

Here's what Hillary said last week:

"That was his choice," she says in an interview with Steve Inskeep. "There was no rule or requirement that he take his name off the ballot. His supporters ran a very aggressive campaign to try to get people to vote uncommitted."

Why didn't the VOTERS in Michigan and Florida scream at the time??? They had a right to protest, complain, whatever it took to ensure that their votes would be counted. Why all the hoopla now, because the Clintons want to change the rules in the middle of the game? No one is disenfranchising anyone - and if she felt so strongly about them being "disenfranchisied" why didn't she fight for this back in the fall when she agreed to it. This is hypocrisy at its best...very sad indeed.

This is ridiculous, and the fact that the Clinton think voters are so stupid that they don't know what's going on shows how confident she is in her wool.

Here's what Hillary said last fall, about why she didn't take her name off

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

Here's what Hillary said last week:

"That was his choice," she says in an interview with Steve Inskeep. "There was no rule or requirement that he take his name off the ballot. His supporters ran a very aggressive campaign to try to get people to vote uncommitted."

The truth is out, and there's nothing they can do to stop it.This is ridiculous, and the fact that the Clinton think voters are so stupid that they don't know what's going on shows how confident she is in her wool.

SPLIT THE DELEGATES RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE SO THEY CAN BE SEATED AT THE CONVENTION, HOWEVER CLINTON DOES NOT LIKE/WANT THAT. NO - NOTHING SHORT OF ALL DELEGATES FOR HER WILL DO. RATHER THAN HAVE THE DELEGATES SEATED, SHE WOULD THROW THE DEM PARTY UNDER THE BUS ALONG WITH AMERICA - WE THE PEOPLE! I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE SELFISH INDIVIDUAL IN MY ENTIRE 65 YEARS OF LIFE!!

Memoryaid-Simple solution. Don't count them. Clear win, republicans. Case closed.

Lisa Bradford-You are NOT the people. You are merely ONE person, like me.

If them not being counted is disenfranchisement and the clinton campaign is against it they should fire Ickes who voted for it in party meetings.

You can't be for the people and employ those you claim were against the people.

The next time the Democrats decide to disallow a state's delegates, they should also deduct the value of these delegates from the number of delegates required to win the nomination. The fact is this - the Democratic party is split between Obama and Clinton. FL and MI votes will NOT solve that split. If the people of FL and MI are now mad, they can throw out their state Democratic officials who caused this mess in the first place. But don't come back now and say their votes should count...

I wish that folks would stop trying to make a case for HRC's chances. She CANNOT & WILL NOT win. As her PA Goon Rendell conceded, it is "IMPOSSIBLE" for her to win. Super Delegates - FORCE THIS CRAZY FEMALE OUT NOW. SHE'S DESTROYING OUR PARTY!!!

COUNT ALL DEMOCRATIC VOTES - Please tell me how Obama is blocking this? Point me to a web page.. something.

Obama is not blocking a revote.

FL and MI have decided that they do not want to PAY for a revote.

Do you understand that?

@Common sense:

Let me just say that one thing that really killed the revote in Michigan was when the governor's of Pennsylvania and New Jersey (Clinton supporters) said they would pay for our "revote". I think everybody here just took a step back and thought about how that disaster would play out.

If it comes down to the superdelgates deciding, which it will I would rather have Fl and MI decide it.

I am a Clinton supporter, but have told my friends that I would ardently support Barack if he should secure the nomination. That is until recently.

I know that Clinton has agreed to a revote in Michigan and Florida, and that the DNC has said they would agree to a revote if both camps support it. All I have heard from the Obama camp is the reason why Clinton wants a revote. He says it is political, and she wants a revote because she is behind. No S#$* Obama. Clinton happens to be on the side of, "right" though. Frankly, the motivation for Clintons desire for a revote is irrelevant. If the roles were reversed I would feel the same way. I believe in the Democratic process and the power of the people over any one candidate!

Obama's platform is the power of the people and change. What I see now is two-talking. Now that Obamas lead is threatened by a revote he doesn't seem so interested in his words. He doesn't seem interested in hearing the voices of Florida and Michigan citizens.

The DNC rules call for Florida and Michigans votes to be invalid on the basis of their early primary date. Well the DNC has not said that if a primary were held in the correct time frame (after Feb. 5th) that votes would not count.

There is no perfectly fair solution to this problem. However, what must be done is to find the most fair solution. Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama need to sit down in a room and work out a compromise. It should be televised so the citizens can see who is thwarting democracy!

If Obama secures the nomination without a revote I will see his true colors instead of empty speeches and stay home in November or vote for Mcain. If there is a revote and Obama wins the nomination I will fully support him.

Accountability,
Michael

Re: Michigan and Florida: What if John Edwards had won in Michigan and/or Florida? Or even placed second? How would that have changed things? You just can't rewind the clock here and call it fair because it can never be fair to everyone. Nancy Pelosi said weeks ago that Michigan and Florida can never be allowed to alter the results of the rest of the voting.