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Bill Clinton: Caucuses 'Killing Us'

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March 27, 2008 8:54 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis, Sarah Amos, and Talal Al-Khatib Report: While speaking by phone Thursday to his wife's Texas supporters, former President Bill Clinton downplayed the importance of caucuses and argued that his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., would capture the Democratic presidential nomination by outperforming Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in primary states.

"Right now, among all the primary states, believe it or not, Hillary's only 16 votes behind in pledged delegates," said Bill Clinton, "and she's gonna wind up with the lead in the popular vote in the primary states. She's gonna wind up with the lead in the delegates [from primary states]."

"It's the caucuses that have been killing us," he added.

Bill Clinton's decision to flatly predict that his wife will finish ahead of Obama in the pledged delegates and popular vote which come strictly from primary states comes as his wife's advisers concede that the former first lady will not be able to catch Obama in the total number of pledged delegates.

Obama's campaign has used his seemingly insurmountable pledged delegate lead to make the case to the party leaders and elected officials who will ultimately decide the Democratic presidential nod that to back Clinton would amount to overturning the will of the voters who participated in the 2008 Democratic nominating contests.

The former president's conference call comments to Sen. Clinton's precinct delegates in Texas were monitored by ABC News. He was urging them to turn out on Saturday when Texas Democrats hold state senate and county conventions in approximately 279 locations around the state.

Saturday's conventions are the second step in the Texas Democratic Party's process of selecting delegates to the Democratic National Convention.

The roughly 88,000 Texans who were chosen as either Clinton or Obama delegates at the precinct convention level will be winnowed down to just over 7,000 Clinton or Obama delegates who will get to attend the Texas Democratic Party's state convention, the third step in the process, which will be held June 6 - 7 in Austin.

Although Clinton won the March 4th Texas primary, Obama emerged ahead of the former first lady in the Texas caucuses based on a partial tally of precinct convention results compiled by the Texas Democratic Party.

According to an ABC News estimate of the Texas caucuses, Obama earned 33 delegates to Clinton's 24 with 10 still left to be allocated based on the presidential preferences stated in the next steps of the process.

The Texas Democratic Party will not declare a winner of the Texas caucuses until June 7, the second day of its state convention, since the state's Obama and Clinton delegates are free to change their presidential preference prior to the state party convention.

By contacting the caucus chairs in approximately 279 locations around the state, the Associated Press expects to be able to project a winner of the Texas caucuses by Saturday evening.

"We can still win this thing," said Bill Clinton, referring to his wife's bid to be the Democratic Party's presidential nominee. "She's running great in Pennsylvania, great in West Virginia, great in Kentucky, and she's got a real chance now to win Indiana."

March 27, 2008 in Tancredo, Tom | Permalink | User Comments (366)

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Caucuses favor the candidate who:

1) has likability; and/or
2) has the most committed supporters;
3) has superior organizational and management skill.

So Ya, Hillary does poorly at Caucuses. The way to overcome these deficiencies would to be Ready On Day One with a top notch organization plan.

But unfortunately, for Her, she was NOT Ready on DAY ONE.

So three strikes of Hillary.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 9:02:33 PM

And this is the Top Story?!?! Come on ABC, this is another attempt to make the Clinton's look bad!!

Hillary '08

Posted by: Jonath | Mar 27, 2008 9:13:43 PM

In all of this ruckus, I worry most that the Clintons are out not only to destroy their opponent, but the United States Constitution as well.
All of the primary process was proscribed to each candidate at the beginning of the campaign, each candidate signed papers pledging to support the system.
Anything else is more like the Soviet Union or a banana republic - NOT what the citizens of the United States want or deserve!!!

Posted by: Sara | Mar 27, 2008 9:13:57 PM

and for the people who dont have kids,dont work swing or graveyard,dont have any disabilities and can afford 3 to 6 hours for the process and then to be bullied,horsepuckey.you call that representing the people ,i call it disenfranchisement of a sizable number of people and all you have to do to see it is look at texas 1,100,000 less voters took part in the caucus than the primary and yet its fair,go join chavez in south america you will fit right in

Posted by: don tufts | Mar 27, 2008 9:16:38 PM

Really commander guy. I see it like this---caucuses are undemocratic and favor the very politically active and those with lots of time on their hands and the ability to drive lengthy distances. Those hampered by this process include working democrats and the poor, the base of the party. Also, explain voting irregularities, such as cheating and bullying to Texas voters, either side doing such...not fair.

Posted by: annoymous | Mar 27, 2008 9:17:19 PM

Caucuses are tough for Hillary because:

She is not Likable;
Her support is broad but not DEEP; and
She has POOR organizational and management skills.


Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 9:20:44 PM

Caucuses are undemocratic. Only people who have the time and the money to show up. Primaries are all day so that everyone has a chance to vote. They need to be eliminated. One American - one vote. The one with the most votes wins all the delegates. Get rid of this old time system.

Posted by: Dennis Smith | Mar 27, 2008 9:23:50 PM

SO CHANGE THE PROCESS THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE, THEY HAD CAUCUSES WHEN BILL RAN FOR PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT THEM NOW IS POINTLESS,UNLESS YOU ARE A CLINTON AND WANT TO CHANGE THE PROCESS IN THE MIDDLE OF PRIMARY SEASON, PLEASE!

Posted by: merle7 | Mar 27, 2008 9:28:22 PM

I am so glad to see former President Bill Clinton raising questions regarding the caucuses! Caucuses are undemocratic as they favor the young, affluent and able-bodied voter, the voter who does not work the night shift, the voter who can afford childcare so they can spend hours standing around waiting to be counted for their candidate. It is extremely difficult for the elderly, the disabled and working class folks to participate. Caucuses are also ripe for voter fraud and we saw plenty of that here in Texas on March 4th. Primaries with early voting option are the most democratic way to choose a candidate. Caucuses need to be eliminated in the interest of democracy in this country!

Posted by: Suzanne | Mar 27, 2008 9:29:09 PM

Commander guy... I have taken statistics and studied validity in testing...the caucus process would have "control" problems; whereas, the primary is conducted in an organized, convenient, controlled fashion or much more "unbiased" fashion. I am not saying the primary is perfect, but it is much closer to perfect than the caucus and the primary is the same style of voting that will be in the general election. That is why the caucuses are always so skewed, they are not truly representative.

Posted by: annonymous | Mar 27, 2008 9:30:50 PM

Let's be honest. Caucuses are not very Democratic at all. They do exclude too many people.

I am sure though that the Clintons did not compete in the Caucuses over any undemocratic process, but because they thought their big state approach would work

It's spilled milk for the Clintons, and wonder if anyone has ever tried to get these states to change their process. Year after year I see that the IA caucuses are well attended by every politician, fully a year before they even beigin. It is process that seems to supported by all Canidates, seanson after season. They have nothing to cry about, for all their political strength, they let it lie.


It seems that the Democratic Party has a number of primary election issues that need to be addressed nationaly

Posted by: Thinking | Mar 27, 2008 9:31:20 PM

Obama will make history if he is chosen as the nominee without winning OH/PA/NJ/NY/FL/CA

Posted by: tim | Mar 27, 2008 9:32:53 PM

The reason a lot of people are concerned about the caucus process is that democrats may very well pick a candidate based on this faulty process. The reason a lot of democrats are complaining now, is because at least in my lifetime, this faulty process has never had so much relevance.

Posted by: annonymous | Mar 27, 2008 9:35:35 PM

BILL: PRAISING MCCAIN.
Bill go find something else to do.

Posted by: leche | Mar 27, 2008 9:42:33 PM

Time for Hilary to throw in the towel. She is out of her depth. I hope dems rally behind Obama though.

Posted by: Kel-C | Mar 27, 2008 9:44:51 PM

annon say "the primary is conducted in an organized, convenient, controlled fashion or much more "unbiased" fashion."

Well maybe but ....

There are no butterfly ballots, no troublesome touch screens, no disappearing electronic votes, no diabolical diebolds, no hanging chads, pregnant chads, swinging chads, etc and no kathleen harris.

The rules are the rules and the Clintons knew the rules.....they were just underprepared.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 9:46:17 PM

I hope if there is one thing we learned from this mess is that caucuses are undemocratic and should be gone. Primaries should be private, closed and all held during the same week. This has been a sham and too dragged out. With all that money, we could have brought down some of our debt.

Posted by: tiffany | Mar 27, 2008 9:47:03 PM

A lot of Clinton supporters may have had to work or were too old to drive great distances, etc to participate in a lengthy caucus process... their votes aren't important? It is a legitimate argument, and one the news basically ignores. It may not seem that interesting but it is extremely relevant.

Posted by: annoymous | Mar 27, 2008 9:49:10 PM

The Clintons will not stop fighting until Obama is elected the Democrat Presidential candidate.

Posted by: Waggdogg | Mar 27, 2008 9:49:21 PM

Caucuses have been around for almost 300 years....And were popularized by the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party pushed the caucus system west as the country was settled.

If you don't like the system, change it for the next time around.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 9:50:33 PM

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