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Bill Clinton: Caucuses 'Killing Us'
March 27, 2008 8:54 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis, Sarah Amos, and Talal Al-Khatib Report: While speaking by phone Thursday to his wife's Texas supporters, former President Bill Clinton downplayed the importance of caucuses and argued that his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., would capture the Democratic presidential nomination by outperforming Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in primary states.
"Right now, among all the primary states, believe it or not, Hillary's only 16 votes behind in pledged delegates," said Bill Clinton, "and she's gonna wind up with the lead in the popular vote in the primary states. She's gonna wind up with the lead in the delegates [from primary states]."
"It's the caucuses that have been killing us," he added.
Bill Clinton's decision to flatly predict that his wife will finish ahead of Obama in the pledged delegates and popular vote which come strictly from primary states comes as his wife's advisers concede that the former first lady will not be able to catch Obama in the total number of pledged delegates.
Obama's campaign has used his seemingly insurmountable pledged delegate lead to make the case to the party leaders and elected officials who will ultimately decide the Democratic presidential nod that to back Clinton would amount to overturning the will of the voters who participated in the 2008 Democratic nominating contests.
The former president's conference call comments to Sen. Clinton's precinct delegates in Texas were monitored by ABC News. He was urging them to turn out on Saturday when Texas Democrats hold state senate and county conventions in approximately 279 locations around the state.
Saturday's conventions are the second step in the Texas Democratic Party's process of selecting delegates to the Democratic National Convention.
The roughly 88,000 Texans who were chosen as either Clinton or Obama delegates at the precinct convention level will be winnowed down to just over 7,000 Clinton or Obama delegates who will get to attend the Texas Democratic Party's state convention, the third step in the process, which will be held June 6 - 7 in Austin.
Although Clinton won the March 4th Texas primary, Obama emerged ahead of the former first lady in the Texas caucuses based on a partial tally of precinct convention results compiled by the Texas Democratic Party.
According to an ABC News estimate of the Texas caucuses, Obama earned 33 delegates to Clinton's 24 with 10 still left to be allocated based on the presidential preferences stated in the next steps of the process.
The Texas Democratic Party will not declare a winner of the Texas caucuses until June 7, the second day of its state convention, since the state's Obama and Clinton delegates are free to change their presidential preference prior to the state party convention.
By contacting the caucus chairs in approximately 279 locations around the state, the Associated Press expects to be able to project a winner of the Texas caucuses by Saturday evening.
"We can still win this thing," said Bill Clinton, referring to his wife's bid to be the Democratic Party's presidential nominee. "She's running great in Pennsylvania, great in West Virginia, great in Kentucky, and she's got a real chance now to win Indiana."
March 27, 2008 in Tancredo, Tom | Permalink | User Comments (366)
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Changing the rules after the fact ain't cutting it.
If you live in a caucus state, contact your state party and lobby for a change. Otherwise, political parties are free to set up their own nomination process.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 9:53:51 PM
Bill Clinton had no problem with caucuses when he won them.
Posted by: Janet | Mar 27, 2008 9:55:44 PM
It is very difficult for Bill Clinton to see the writing on the wall, he is emotional and believes that he and his wife are entitled to the presidency. It is really time to stop the internal infights and give to Obama his due. Period.God bless America, God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | Mar 27, 2008 10:01:22 PM
Actually Commander Guy, I think the disabled folks in caucus states should bring lawsuits against their political parties. I suspect many would be successful getting them eliminated as one could easily argue that caucuses violate the ADA.
Posted by: Suzanne | Mar 27, 2008 10:02:57 PM
Suzanne
ADA? How so?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 10:07:19 PM
Actually I find it amazing that we are even talking about this. A few months ago I thought that Hillary had this sewed up, had she, noone would have any problem with the process at all.
Oh well I guess we weren't ready from day 1
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 27, 2008 10:08:09 PM
Suzanne, the caucus is a democratic process which was used for many years. If Hilalry is not winning them that is not mean that they are antidemocratic. Let us avoid duminishing a win of the over side. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | Mar 27, 2008 10:10:41 PM
Yep - Thinking.
Hillary was/is unprepared.
Just like she thought she could use the phony Bosnian Adventure tale to embellish her resume. She was not prepared for the internets exposing the b s.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 10:16:22 PM
People with disabilities have a much more difficult time participating in a caucus. I saw this myself here in Texas where at our precinct we had an elderly disabled woman who was also suffering from bladder cancer. Our caucus went on for many hours and she could not stay to participate in the process. I was amazed she even attempted to come out at all, but she did have an attendant helping her. It was truly heartbreaking to see her leave, but physically she just could not stay. Poor and disabled would not likely be able to come out at all. This is a real problem for a significant proportion of the electorate. Through no fault of their own, they are unable to participate in our democracy.
Posted by: Suzanne | Mar 27, 2008 10:23:37 PM
What a MISLEADING HEADLINE, ABC!!!
I didn't think you were in the tank for Obama like NBC is (the National Barack Channel)....
Bill Clinton was discussing his wife's chances of winning the Texas caucuses, not lamenting about caucuses!!!
Obama/Rezko '08: "Change without experience"
Posted by: Jack | Mar 27, 2008 10:24:52 PM
Do the Clintons lie? Only when their lips are moving. Bill Clinton’s lying has led to his conviction for lying to a federal grand jury and obstruction of justice. As a result, he was stripped of his right to practice law.
Hillary is another story. In addition to dodging quite a number of bullets from imaginary snipers. (I think at least one real bullet hit her in the brain and produced a very fertile imagination.} She has lied about being instrumental in the North Ireland peace process. Lord Trimble, who won a Noble Peace Prize, called that assertion: “a wee bit silly) She also lied about being responsible for SCHIP, that was not the memory of the one who really was responsible for its passage. Sen. Dodd. The bottom line is: what you have are two professional liars who will stop at nothing to get what they want. These two people are complete strangers to the truth.
Posted by: Randle Bate | Mar 27, 2008 10:32:27 PM
Suzanne
OK. A sad situation. Agreed. But ADA?
So you have a mission. Work from within the party to change the rules.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 27, 2008 10:33:47 PM
Yeah.
Whether you are an Obama fan or a Clinton fan , you should admit the truth.
Obama won those caucus's fair and square. No whining about it now.
But in the future, they SHOULD have 50 primaries. Caucus's do not give everyone a chance to vote except this thin slice of hours.
There are no primaries in the general election so its not an accurate assement of the vote in that state.
For 2012 lets do away with caucus's.
Have RALLIES on the day of the vote for young people and newcomers, then they can all go together to vote in the primary.
Posted by: tomdavie | Mar 27, 2008 10:34:37 PM
Those pesky little caucus things, that just happen to be one of the oldest and most pure forms of democracy in America. Yeah they are a problem for candidates who rely on modern mass media commercials, party connections, and TV sound bites.
Posted by: bob10001 | Mar 27, 2008 10:34:38 PM
hillary clinton winning the nomination will bring the republicans out like no other candidate.
And even worse than that....the majority of Obama supporters will either stay home or will vote for McCain. So the dems lose either way. I say good for them, I wonder if they'll learn anything from all this mess.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 27, 2008 10:34:43 PM
And bill clinton needs to just go away. I am oh so sick of him!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 27, 2008 10:35:49 PM
BKMC, tell that to the elderly, infirm, disabled, and working poor folks who could not participate in the process. Just because the system has been around for a long time doesn't mean it isn't seriously flawed.
Posted by: Suzanne | Mar 27, 2008 10:36:02 PM
There is also this nonsense notion that the AMERICAN PEOPLE decide who the Republican and Democratic nominee is.
Both of these parties are PRIVATE parties. There is no consitutional right to vote in a caucus or primary.
Caucus's are designed to DRUMM up support from newcomers , and cut down on costs, in states with few voters.
If you havent noticed, sparsley populated and states admitted to the union later have causus's. All the established older states have primaries.
They should have primaries , as there are primarires in the general election.
To drum up support, they should hold RALLIES on the day of the primary or the day before to sign up people to the party. They can then vote in private ballot on the spot to boot in the primary .
In other words. Caucus all day everywhere if you want. Just private vote and held all day so everyone can go.
Posted by: tomdavie | Mar 27, 2008 10:44:26 PM
Its funny how the system is now flawed because hillary is in danger of going back to her duties in the senate...
I'm sure there are a few more buildings that need to be named.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 27, 2008 10:46:03 PM
55 states and territories make their own election rules -- to suit themselves and their dominant political parties. You want to change the rules? You will have to do so state by state.
Fair? Politics isn't into fair; it's about winning power politically, which historically has been done through two major political parties. And caucuses are indeed about whose got the stomach to stand up, wear down the other side, and win on the long march. That's why they are so valuable -- they produce the hard core political light cavalry base. So if you're working the night shift, and if you can't take off four hours, then you ain't prime for the political trenches of door belling and phoning and like that.
The Clinton's and their cadre have consistently tried --and often succeeded -- to tailor perspectives to suit their ends. And that's fine. But in the end this process makes only one kind of sausage, a count-one delegate. Some are locked up (by state and Party rules) and some can do whatever they want whenever they want to. There is a single number the winner has to beat in the total final count. It doesn't look like the primaries and caucuses can produce the necessary number. So it falls to the Party leaders who have voted with their lives to decide what's their best shot for November and for the Post-Reagan era ahead. "Fair," as Mr. Bill can tell is for whiners. It's bare knuckles and hard ball now, which is historically how the Democratic Party has handled its affairs before Gov. Bill yupped them up with his Leadership Group. I personally don't think the Clinton's are going to do too well when the doors of the now smoke-free rooms close. Outa sight with the party elders where Sen. Clinton's anger and Pres. Clinton's swagger will be ineffective tools, the Supers are going to see Obama perform as the kind of end-game political master we need as President and they need as the leader of their Party.
The Clinton's made one big mistake which they are incapable of seeing: They think nobody is better at this game than they are. But Obama really is, and has built his own grassroots, coast-to-coast political machine in this process. The Clinton's and the press think he's a nice guy chump. But he's going to do them the Chicago way, love 'em to death.
Posted by: PO'C | Mar 27, 2008 10:46:15 PM
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