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Clinton, Obama Battle Over Florida, Michigan Solution
March 12, 2008 10:20 AM
ABC News' Eloise Harper and Sunlen Miller Report: Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., speaking at the Hispanic Chamber of Congress Washington DC Wednesday, asked Senator Barack Obama’s, D-Ill., campaign to join her in her effort to make sure the votes in Florida and Michigan "count."
Clinton said that the voters in those states are in peril of being excluded.
Watch the VIDEO HERE.
"The nearly two and a half million Americans in those two states who participated in the primary elections are in danger of being excluded from our democratic process and I think that is wrong," she said.
Clinton, who won primary contests in Florida and Michigan, said the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated at the convention, or else there should be another election.
The Democratic National Committee stripped those states of their delegates as punishment for moving their primary dates up.
At that time, the Democratic candidates pledged not to campaign in those states.
"In my view there are two options: honor the results or hold new primary elections I don’t see any other solutions that are fair and honor the commitment that 2.5 million voters made in the democratic primaries in those two states.”
Suggesting she is hoping to reach an agreement with her opponent, Clinton said “I hope Senator Obama’s campaign will join me in working to make that happen. I think that is a non-partisan solution to make sure that we do count these votes."
On a conference call with reporters Wednesday, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe all but ruled out the possibility, in their minds, of a mail-in vote in Florida and Michigan.
Plouffe outlined three options their campaign could see working. First mentioned: a caucus, which would obviously benefit Obama who has typically done well in caucus states. Second, a full primary, which has obvious hurdles because of cost involved. And lastly, Plouffe suggested some seating of the delegates “not based solely on the outcome of their elections."
This last option which Plouffe called the “easiest option” was first floated by Obama supporter, Senator Chris Dodd, D-Conn., last week, where the delegates would be split evenly, 50/50, between both candidates.
DNC Chairman Howard Dean said earlier in the week that there could not be 50/50 seating unless the credentials committee writes off on it -- and that couldn’t happen until July.
Plouffe responded to Dean saying, "He has rules that he has to police but they’ve also been pretty clear that they are open to solutions here."
on the Plouffe’s list was the idea being floated by party leaders about a mail-in vote, an option that has been gaining steam in the states. Plouffe said he had deep concerns about any mail-in vote.
"It seems to become more of a Clinton production -- those suggesting they could pay for it are Clinton supporters, those people designing the likely mail in plans here are Clinton supporters. I think everyone has to be cautious about that … it is primarily Clinton supporters pushing for the mail in."
Plouffe expressed concerns about legal, security, and payment issues about the mail in option, and sighted that the Justice Department would need to get involved to approve the process. This echoes comments yesterday by Obama himself.
He reiterated that the Obama campaign would accept what the state parties and the DNC work out.
March 12, 2008 in Bush, George W., Kucinich, Dennis, Tancredo, Tom | Permalink | User Comments (129)
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I'm sorry they oppose a mail in ballot because it in some way might be undemocratic but want to override 2.2 million votes cast and divy up the delegates 50/50. Does anyone else find those two positions at odds?
Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:21:45 AM
These states knew going into this race if they went ahead of what the DNC said they would NOT be counted What didn't they understand????Now Clinton wants them in for she pulled a good one and left her name on the ballot in Fl....Smart move on her part.I for ne do not think they should be counted ,in this country there are rules you SHOULD follow if you break the law TS....... Suffer they knew going on and now they are crying to bad states,maybe next time you might listen to what you are boing told.Rules are rules>>>>>>>>>
Posted by: honest | Mar 12, 2008 11:24:04 AM
Sounds to me like Clinton is pulling a George Bush, do things the way I say or nobody wins and it will be your fault. She won't agree to anything less than having the bogus results counted as the final tally. I doubt seriously she would feel the same way had the two contests been different or if she were ahead by any measure in the contest. Though some voted, many more did not because they were informed that the primaries would not be counted. So there are more voters at stake than those that voted in those primaries. Clinton wants to win, and I can respect that, but she does not care how she wins and that is a serious problem for me. She knows that the campaigns will need to approve any do over and is stating very clearly right now that she will not allow that. That is a Bush 101 tactic. Give me my win or everyone loses. I will not vote in the general if she is nominated because i could not support the current CinC that advocates such a position, so I will certainly not support another one, no matter what her party.
Posted by: Louis | Mar 12, 2008 11:26:42 AM
Yup, just another regular Politician (Obama) trying to silence 2.2 million voters... I love how if we counted MI and FL Clinton would have been ahead since Super Tuesday... No wonder he wants to hide these votes... what a great POTUS he'd be. Uniting this country... JUST WORDS!
Posted by: Bacio83 | Mar 12, 2008 11:26:51 AM
There's one way to ensure the vote isn't tampered with and that's to count the results in a democratic election where 2.2 million democrats voted, at least from Florida. Michigan may need a redo, or all the elected delegates could stand as uncommitted. What people dont understand here is that delegates were elected, hundreds of them. Those people should not be un-elected, unless the can run in anotehr election. it would be undemocratic, and disrespectful to those people who put their names forward, campaigned and are now probably raising funds to go to convention.
It's not the Soviet Union or China, you cant just override a vote and un-elect delegates because they dont favor you.
These delegates need to be allowed to stand or run again in another election.
Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:28:48 AM
All the candidates did agreed to DNC rules. Hillary so desperate and devisive went ahead and betrayed. This is a Candidate you call "has experience or ready for day1? Typicall clinton strategy, lies, mislead and cheat. Her husband did the same thing while he was a President. Remeber, first"I did not have a sexual relationship with ML" then after being busted" I did have a sexual relationship with that woman, ML.the Clintons have shown their true colors.
Posted by: Truth | Mar 12, 2008 11:29:05 AM
What about those voters that stayed at home knowing that their votes would not count? The rules are the rules.
Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2008 11:29:37 AM
Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the rich, savory irony of Democrats fighting to NOT count Florida votes.
Posted by: carl | Mar 12, 2008 11:29:51 AM
I agree with Ferraro, Barack wouldn't be in this position if he was a white man.
Any candidate who has energized the American people, called for Change in Washington politics, run a consistent positive campaign and have a Clear Vision for the future of America would be the NOMINEE by now.
No talk about a revote, super delegates, vice-presidency or other strategies to steal the election would even be considered or mentioned.
Just the thought that this election could come down to Florida again makes me sick to my stomach! How quick we forget!
Posted by: Lawrence | Mar 12, 2008 11:29:51 AM
the Obama camp does not oppose the mail in ballot. there has been no specific comment opposing such a plan, just because it was not mentioned as a preferred way to get it done, does not indicate opposition. Shoddy reporting.
Further HRC, this is not a Parisan process, there is only one party involved here. The two states broke the rules, but since it turned out in your favor, you are looking to take advantage. Way to put the country first and think about the millions who would still like to be heard in a recognized vote. At best those two non-primaries were another poll.
Posted by: Louis | Mar 12, 2008 11:32:12 AM
lol again, this election campaign has crossed the line of stupid and ridiculous!
I know I probably shouldn't ask this question, but why is it that every time an issue comes up such as this (the same happened with NAFTA), the finger gets pointed at Obama?
Now Obama wants to hide the votes? How stupid is that statement?? You hillary sheeple need to go take your meds and calm down. We understand that she is behind and in danger of not winning the nomination, but everything that goes on, that doesn't go her way, is not Obama's fault.
Obama didn't make the rules, neither did hillary. So she should stop trying to make this look like another Obama gaffe.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 12, 2008 11:34:44 AM
WHY DO WE NEED TO WASTE TIME , MONEY AND ABILITY TO CONSOLIDATE AROUND OUR PRESUMPTIVE NOMMINEE BARACK OBAMA.
Consider the top 9 big states that have voted so far
State . . . . . . . Obama . . . . . . . .Clinton
California . . .2,126,000 . . . . . . .2,553,000
Texas . . . . . 1,358,000 . . . . . . .1,459,000
New York. . . . . 698,000 . . . . . . .1,003,000
Illinois. . . . 1,302,000 . . . . . . . .662,000
Ohio . . . . . . 982,000. . . . . . . 1,212,000
Georgia . . . . . 704,000 . . . . . . . .330,000
New Jersey. . . . 492,000 . . . . . . . .603,000
Virginia . . . . 627,000 . . . . . . . .350,000
Washington . . . 354,000 . . . . . . . .316,000
Total . . . . . 8,643,000 . . . . . . .8,487,000
Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2008 11:36:32 AM
The rules are rules, Fl anf MI can't be seated comments, are some of the most juvenile opinions I have ever heard.
MI and FL will be seated at convention and always were going to be. Everyone knows that.
They were always going to be seated by the winner at convention, as their republican counterparts will be. The only issue now is that there wont be a clear winner at convention.
If it isnt resolved before then Obama and Clinton will have to get up at convention and say why they do or do not want them seated as is.
There is no better way to guarentee that obama will lose the white house than if he argues against seating MI and FL or argues to override an election where 2.2 million Americans voted and divy them up like a kindergarden snack 50/50, and prevails. It's over then.
I do not believe he will do that as its political suicide. So what's he doing?? Stalling, so it doesnt look like Clinton is winning. That's all.
The DNC needs to seat these delegates SOON or agree to a revote SOON, because we all know they will be seated at convention. Regardless of the juvenile aguements against seating them that completely ignore the political process.
Howard Dean, by the way, should have his but kicked out of the convention and the DNC forever for this fiasco. 100% his fault and he is refusing to show leadership to solve it in a timely manner,as it should have been resolved already. He is a disaster for the democratic party.
Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:37:54 AM
Um Washington, Virginia and Georgia are not "big states" Nice try though to distort the numbers as usual from teh Obama camp.
Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:40:23 AM
If the Clinton people are really concerned with the rights of the voters to have theri delegates seated despite their purposeful breach of the rules laid down by the DNC, then a 50/50 split is the obvious and easy solution. To insist that the results of those illegal primaries be made legitimate is beyond ridiculous. Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan and in Flordia, how much of that win was based on simple name recognition? Obama, following the DNC rules, did not campaign and, therefore, had no opportunity to introduce himself to the voters of Florida. Also, how many voters stayed home because the results would not count? You cannot call either Michigan or Florida a legitimate 'win' for Clinton. Just to be clear, going in to primary season, I was a Clinton supporter but because of things that have happened in the course of the primary (like this situation), I have moved my support to Obama and I represent one of Clinton's 'core' supporters age wise, race wise, etc.
If the DNC backs down from their previous position, there will be chaos in the next election as states jockey for position and jump ahead of one another. It is will also prove that Will Rogers was right when he said, "I do not belong to any organized poltiical party; I'm a Democrat."
Posted by: Mairin1958 | Mar 12, 2008 11:40:40 AM
Um Washington, Virginia and Georgia are not "big states" Nice try though to distort the numbers as usual.
Washington a "big state" lmao
Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:40:50 AM
I agree with Ferraro, Barack wouldn't be in this position if he was a white man.
This racial comment is a shame. Look at the history of this country. To suggest that Barak is successful is because of his skin color is very low coming from People who have ruled this country since the beginning. I am a white male and very disgusted about those racial comments. Obama is the only candidate who can reach out both side blacks and whites. When Hillary won OH and other states that hold a majority of whites who voted for her, nobody said that she won because she is white. Please enough of these negative comments that are very devicive and Hillary is 100% behind it. this a strategy to win PA. shame on you Hillary.
Posted by: Truth | Mar 12, 2008 11:41:28 AM
I am so disgusted by Democrats disrespecting the voters in Florida and Michigan. Would Dodd say the same if the DNC tried to do this to the voters of CT? The DNC has totally messed up the nomination process - if Dems had a winner-take-all system like the Republicans, Hillary would have the nomination by now.
Posted by: Shel | Mar 12, 2008 11:43:30 AM
About three years ago a well known televangelist, Perry Stone, told his congregation that God spoke to him and said Sen. Clinton will be the next President. There is nothing ABC News or the other networks can do to stop Sen. Clinton from becoming President.
Posted by: Brian | Mar 12, 2008 11:43:36 AM
Change the name of this country to the United Big States only, all the other states are too small to matter.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 12, 2008 11:44:13 AM
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