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Clinton, Obama Battle Over Florida, Michigan Solution

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March 12, 2008 10:20 AM

ABC News' Eloise Harper and Sunlen Miller Report: Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., speaking at the Hispanic Chamber of Congress Washington DC Wednesday, asked Senator Barack Obama’s, D-Ill., campaign to join her in her effort to make sure the votes in Florida and Michigan "count."

Clinton said that the voters in those states are in peril of being excluded.

Watch the VIDEO HERE.

"The nearly two and a half million Americans in those two states who participated in the primary elections are in danger of being excluded from our democratic process and I think that is wrong," she said.

Clinton, who won primary contests in Florida and Michigan, said the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated at the convention, or else there should be another election.

The Democratic National Committee stripped those states of their delegates as punishment for moving their primary dates up.

At that time, the Democratic candidates pledged not to campaign in those states.

"In my view there are two options: honor the results or hold new primary elections I don’t see any other solutions that are fair and honor the commitment that 2.5 million voters made in the democratic primaries in those two states.”

Suggesting she is hoping to reach an agreement with her opponent, Clinton said “I hope Senator Obama’s campaign will join me in working to make that happen. I think that is a non-partisan solution to make sure that we do count these votes."

On a conference call with reporters Wednesday, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe all but ruled out the possibility, in their minds, of a mail-in vote in Florida and Michigan.

Plouffe outlined three options their campaign could see working. First mentioned: a caucus, which would obviously benefit Obama who has typically done well in caucus states. Second, a full primary, which has obvious hurdles because of cost involved. And lastly, Plouffe suggested some seating of the delegates “not based solely on the outcome of their elections."

This last option which Plouffe called the “easiest option” was first floated by Obama supporter, Senator Chris Dodd, D-Conn., last week, where the delegates would be split evenly, 50/50, between both candidates.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean said earlier in the week that there could not be 50/50 seating unless the credentials committee writes off on it -- and that couldn’t happen until July.

Plouffe responded to Dean saying, "He has rules that he has to police but they’ve also been pretty clear that they are open to solutions here."

on the Plouffe’s list was the idea being floated by party leaders about a mail-in vote, an option that has been gaining steam in the states. Plouffe said he had deep concerns about any mail-in vote.

"It seems to become more of a Clinton production -- those suggesting they could pay for it are Clinton supporters, those people designing the likely mail in plans here are Clinton supporters. I think everyone has to be cautious about that … it is primarily Clinton supporters pushing for the mail in."

Plouffe expressed concerns about legal, security, and payment issues about the mail in option, and sighted that the Justice Department would need to get involved to approve the process. This echoes comments yesterday by Obama himself.

He reiterated that the Obama campaign would accept what the state parties and the DNC work out.

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I think that the delegates should be seated not in the interest of a specific candidate, but in the interest of the Democratic party. We will need these states come GE and if either candidate comes off as seemingly willing to disenfranchise their votes, it could potentially (negatively) impact the GE outcome.

I think a 51/49 split would be a good compromise. It doesn't really give the Clinton camp any huge advantage in pledged delegate count and it also let's the Obama camp look like they are taking the high road by acknowledging that Clinton did perform better in Florida and arguably Michigan. Since that will never happen though...

I think a 50/50 seating is the way to go on this where the pledged delegates are divided equally amongst the candidates and the superdelegates move forward with their traditional role and casting their vote as they wish.

Posted by: LOM | Mar 12, 2008 11:44:39 AM

America is not the Soviet Union, or Kenya for that matter.

You cannot unelect delegates to divy up an election as some partisan controlled Central Committee sees fit. The 50/50 business is downright Soviet, or like some UN intervention in Kenya. You can't do that in America and there's no reason to.

If Obama tried to get that through a credentialling committee kiss the genral election goodbye. There would be no point. Obama's left leanings are concern enough in a general matchup. A soviet delegate scheme is not going to pass muster and FL at least would just remove his name from the ballot, if their electionis ignored. They have said as much.

Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:46:27 AM

All these, Hillary is trying to find the loophole. She expected to be the nominee immediately after Super Tuesday. Nothing worked on her side. Florida and Michigan voted before Super Tuesday. She did not raise any issue about it.

What was the reason for her to fly to Florida? Just only to thank people who voted for her while knowing the votes do not count!

Am pretty sure if she could had been nominated after Super Tuesday, she could had kept quiet and forget those 2million she is claiming are important now.

Posted by: Peace | Mar 12, 2008 11:47:39 AM

Mail balloting again!!!!! I am little concerned about it. I am sure there will be cheating involved. Why don't we just divide the delegates 50- 50.
Voting via mail is safe and will not be a fair game.

Posted by: I.A.T Smith | Mar 12, 2008 11:48:38 AM

I find it amazing that the obama camp can call counting votes, "stealing an election" but want to override an election where 2.2 million democrats cast ballots and just divy up the delegates 50/50.

That's not stealing an election???

Wow you can cut that irony with a knife. Um overriding a democratic election in favour of one candidate is well "stealing an election", and there's no way the American people will se it any other way.

But its Clinton who wants to "win at all costs" and is "dividing the party" right?????

Funny, I dont see it that way.

Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:51:33 AM

WHERE IS 2.2 Million coming from. She is even counting Florida that did not have any other candidates on the ballot.

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2008 11:54:59 AM

By the way, the request to divide the delegates 50/50 at the credentialing committee would have to come from these states themselves, and there isn't a smowball's chance of that happening.

Count the votes or re-vote are the only two options.

Posted by: s.b. | Mar 12, 2008 11:55:29 AM

correction.

WHERE IS 2.2 Million coming from? She is even counting Michigan that did not have any other candidates on the ballot.

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2008 11:55:49 AM

Wake up people. how can you consider the election in FL and MI when Hillary's name was the only one in the ballot? Who was she compete against? come on. How about the people who did not vote because they were told that their voices will not be counted? If Hillary did abide n=by the rules, we would not have to be where we are now. she created a mess. she is not trustworthy. nominate her and she will deceive you more. and put the country in more danger.

Posted by: Truth | Mar 12, 2008 11:57:09 AM

I agree with Bascio.

Hussein Obama is just another dishonest politician. While he ran ads in both FL and MI, Obama now wants to silence 2.2 million voters.

If MI and FL were counted, Hillary would be ahead by a long shot. Obama is a hypocrite who only wants to win - any any cost.

Posted by: Jeb25 | Mar 12, 2008 11:59:10 AM

Sure Hillary and McCain should run together with Hillary as VP to McCain. They are two sore losers of the same old.

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2008 12:01:24 PM

correction.

WHERE IS 2.2 Million coming from? She is even counting Michigan that did not have any other candidates on the ballot.

Posted by: james | Mar 12, 2008 12:03:11 PM

Neither campaign is going to come to a consensus on how to resolve this issue. Obama is pushing for a caucus and Clinton is pushing for a primary, both for obvious reasons.

Regardless of the solution, these states' participation in the convention will be vital to the democratic strategy to win the back White House.

Where as I would love to see them seated proportionally to vote count, the rules *were* outlined at the onset of this race and a 50/50 split is the least expensive and arguably fair way to ensure that these states are seated.

I think Clinton should aggressively argue her case to the superdelegates of those states and that is where she has the possibility to widen the delegate count in those states (if my understanding that the superdelegates from those states are not currently seated is correct).

Posted by: LOM | Mar 12, 2008 12:03:30 PM

Honest what didn't Obama, a Harvard grad, understand about agreeing not to campaign yet releasing an ad in Florida before the vote? He lost anyway...It's okay with his campaign to bully or disenfranchise everyone who isn't voting for him.

Posted by: irma | Mar 12, 2008 12:03:39 PM

Let them eat cake!

Posted by: Surelock Homes | Mar 12, 2008 12:04:36 PM

Just do the the two primaries over and be done with it!!!! It should nt be a caucus or mail in-it should be duplicated as a primary...

Posted by: Cindy, Calfiornia | Mar 12, 2008 12:07:37 PM

Yes Hillary is so kind, so willing to ensure that Michigan and Florida's voters are counting, is she going to cry again? The reality is simply -her way or the high way. Voters have put her second and she wants to put herself first. Please stop trying to take the lead when you have to be led. The division between big states and small states, blue states and red states is simply discriminatory. People somehow think that winning big states is a way of winning presidency, the problem is simply that Clinton has not won some of these states again McCain, but against Obama, same paryy candidates. Wo ever the nominee will be New York will remain in democrats' hand. The message is simple: are you better off now? if not do not vote McCain who will be en extension of failed Bush policies.

Posted by: BKMC | Mar 12, 2008 12:09:03 PM

The Obama campaign ran a "national" ad, which was permitted to run in ALL states. He was not trying to 'campaign' in FL and MI knowing the votes didn't count. The ads he ran were national and the states didn't have any problem with it.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 12, 2008 12:10:09 PM

The reality is, if you include Florida, it doesn't change Hillary's position much. In Michigan, only Clinton and Kucinch were on the ballot, so it certainly would NOT be fair to include without a re-vote.

Posted by: JustMe | Mar 12, 2008 12:10:36 PM

If Obama really wanted all votes to be counted he would not be pressing for caucuses that limit votes, twist hours of operation during work schedules, confuses voters, forces PUBLIC declarations of one's vote (which leaves dissenting voters afraid to go against the crowd, spouse, church members, whatever). He wants a system that allows a confused, disorganized, public vote to represent millions, when the actual caucus has perhaps 50,000 in a large state. I mean how is even 100,000 caucus votes a fair representation of 30,000,000 people? It isn't. And he knows it. And he doesn't care.

The shortest time to vote, with the most confusion, the most possible public pressure, with the least votes representing huge states. That is what his heart's desire is.

Limit. Control. Confuse. Block. Win.

what a sham if that isn't the politics of old.

Posted by: 2009 | Mar 12, 2008 12:12:34 PM

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