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March 04, 2008 12:00 PM

ABC News' Kate Snow and Eloise Harper Report: Outside Henderson Elementary in Houston, Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., said she's very optimistic about her chances in Texas and Ohio and would not entertain a question about whether she would take a day or two to evaluate her future after Tuesday's results.

Clinton did indicate she plans to persevere.

Asked about a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, which finds that Democrats by more than a 2-1 margin say Clinton should stay in the presidential race even if she loses either the Texas or Ohio primary, Clinton said: "Never underestimate the intelligence of the voter."

Watch the VIDEO HERE.

"This is a long process as some of you have heard me say before," Clinton said. "My husband didn't get the nomination wrapped up until June. That has been the tradition -- that it usually lasted longer."

Clinton began the day at the elementary school, the voting site for a heavily Hispanic area with traditionally one of the largest democratic turnouts in Houston.

Most of the voters who held "Hillary" signs and greeted the Senator had been called by the campaign and came in from other parts of the city. A few were voters from the neighborhood.

Clinton also plans to stop by Herrera's restaurant in Dallas to greet voters before heading on to Columbus, Ohio for an election night celebration.

It has become a tradition for Clinton to greet voters -- with donuts in hand -- on primary days.

"We don't quit working until the last votes are in and the last people in Texas show up," Clinton said. "I just believe in working on election days. I don't pay a lot of attention to what people say."

Clinton did express some dismay at the voting process being used in Texas.

In Texas, Democratic delegates are allocated through a combination of the results from primary votes and separate caucuses.

Clinton said her campaign would play by the rules established, but that "when the dust clears, we have to ask some tough questions" about whether the process was the best system.

Her campaign has argued -- and she argued again on Tuesday -- that when people have a limited window to appear at a caucus it makes it difficult for many voters to attend and participate, particularly working voters. Barack Obama has fared much better in caucus states thus far.

Asked if she was concerned that this primary battle could become a protracted and negative fight, Clinton said she was not.

"This is one of the most civil and positive primary campaigns that I can remember," Clinton said. "There are contrasts. And it is imperative that those contrasts be drawn because voters in a Democratic primary have to decide who would be the best president and the best nominee." 

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That is why Most well-educated voters are voting for Obama in the Primaries and Caucuses!
Hillary Clinton is getting the votes of the un-educated, senile, and assorted
Clinton zombies who repeat the Clinton
Mantra of being the most experienced candidate without offering any proof of
that experience!

Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 4, 2008 12:14:51 PM

I live in a wealthier, heavy Republican area of Texas. Hillary may have a chance as sadly, many Republicans are crossing over and voting for her looking at the "big" picture for Republicans. They are downright giddy at the thought of dragging this out for the Dems, her getting the nomination and blown away by McCain in the General. They don't think McCain can beat Obama, but believe strongly their best chance to put another Republican in the White House is to vote for Hillary today. I just left a line of them happily casting their votes with zero intention on ever voting for her again.

Posted by: sc | Mar 4, 2008 12:16:44 PM


Clinton: "Never Underestimate The Intelligence Of A Voter"

Sounds about right as waves of Dittoheads march to polls to vote for Hillary.

Posted by: Inspector 71 | Mar 4, 2008 12:22:59 PM

Wise up dems. Vote Obama today. End this primary now for the good of the party. Do you NOT like the idea of winning the general election for once?! Clinton winning today would be extraordinarily bad for the party. Why can't you see that, TX & OH?!

Posted by: Dem in Chicago | Mar 4, 2008 12:24:41 PM

I am a well-educated voter who does not vote for OBAMA who would be another Jimmy Carter.
Being un-educated may be better than those so called well-educated REPUBLICANS who only know how to COOK THE BOOK !!!!

Posted by: clintonfan | Mar 4, 2008 12:24:45 PM

The ABC poll of Democrats says that Senator Clinton should stay in the race until it is over. As an independent voter, I didn't participate in the poll, but I agree.

The caucus system has obviously favored the non-working segment of the electorate, and, thus, has favored Obama. Hopefully, primaries held over the course of a month or so will replace the caucus fiasco in future campaigns.

Along with a host of other issues including picking a presidential candidate that can win, the Democratic Convention in August is an excellent venue for implementing the necesary changes.

Posted by: ken | Mar 4, 2008 12:26:56 PM

Defending her provocative television ad suggesting he was not up to the challenge of answering the White House phone at 3 a.m. in a crisis, she told reporters at a news conference Monday in Toledo: "I have a lifetime of experience I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he made in 2002" — a reference to the address in which Obama, before being elected to the Senate, had publicly opposed the Iraq invasion that she and McCain had voted to authorize.

There are certain lines that you do not cross in a primary campaign. And one of those is suggesting that your primary opponent, the likely nominee, is so unfit that that the Republican nominee might be preferable to him. This is spoiler territory, and Clinton should be ashamed.

--Christopher Orr


Posted by: james | Mar 4, 2008 12:35:05 PM

lluluadorl:
Your comment doesn't make any sense!
It is Not the well-educated who live
paycheck to paycheck!
Well-Educated people usually have
good jobs!
Un-Educated people on the other hand are the ones who live paycheck to paycheck as have have menial,low paying
jobs! In other words Clinton Supporters!

Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 4, 2008 12:41:50 PM

I meant to say "as they have menial,
low paying jobs"!

Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 4, 2008 12:44:03 PM

Reaganfan: enough of your rhetoric, you sound just like Obama, I am a 46 year old Educated white male who earns in the high six figures a year. I fully support Senator Clinton for President, and there are many more of us out there.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 4, 2008 12:46:57 PM

I want to know how she is going to run this nation when she cannot budget her race for the WhiteHouse??? A question that has puzzled me can anyone asnswer me that????

Posted by: honest | Mar 4, 2008 12:48:02 PM

Oh give me a break everything Mr. Obama does is just fine to bad you can't see it from our side is she suppose to stick up for him she is you know trying to win and he has had a press free ride. Go Hillary

Posted by: Bishop | Mar 4, 2008 12:52:11 PM

Whatever she does in the White House, Honest, she will do much better than a trillion dollar deficit left from the current administration. The Clinton years were very prosperous for many Americans, and they left with a huge surplus. I trust Hillary to manage the national budget a little better than her campaign budget.
Besides , it is the campaign managers and financial managers who manage the budget.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 4, 2008 12:53:59 PM

Well, honest, where to begin? How about Obama outspending Clinton 4 to 1. Obviously, she did not think the primary would be so expensive and soon ran out of set aside funds, not general election funds she still holds. In Texas and Ohio,check almost any news site, and you'll find Obama trying to put the killing blow to Clinton by throwing tons more money into the mix. Clinton responded, but using her internet supporters and then raised 35 mil in Feb. No one can match Obama's money, yet Clinton is still in the mix. She'll still be in the mix after tonight.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 1:07:55 PM

"Dem in Chicago", sounds like you are worried that Obama has not been able to close the deal. There are too many doubts about him, he has been given a pass by the press so far, until just in the last week, and the cracks are starting to appear. Obama is a great illusionist, but he hasn't been able to make the half of the Democratic party that supports Hillary magically disappear.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 4, 2008 1:09:38 PM

COME ONE GUYS ... HILLARY HAS ALOT MORE EXPERIENCE IN POLITICS THAN OBAMA.

I was in Iraq for nearly 14 months. These guys want to get the hell out now.

Posted by: Iraq Vet | Mar 4, 2008 1:12:31 PM

With all the $$$ Obama is spending, he should have closed the deal by now.

We are going to hear more garbage come out before too late.

Hillary, stay in and let's fight to the end.

Posted by: Iraq Vet | Mar 4, 2008 1:15:03 PM

Iraq Vet, thank you for your service to this great nation. You are the exception on these blogs. Most of the Obamabots never left the comfort of a dorm room let alone know what any of you and your mates have seen or experienced. Yes, I just voted for Hillary. It is so nice to have you on our side. Thank you.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 1:18:23 PM

Iraq Vet--Tnank You for your service!!!

Posted by: Proud American | Mar 4, 2008 1:20:36 PM

Go Hillary. I am soooo excited about tonight. We just got home from voting.

Posted by: Woo12 | Mar 4, 2008 1:23:30 PM

Iraq Vet The reason Obama hasn't closed the deal is because people like you are not letting go that you had the wrong candidate...Hillary always has had the blindly lead in her numbers that won't back down...the problem isa majority of Americans will not vote for her...her ceiling is lower than anyones and now with all the negative and mudslinging that she has brought out. Well can anyone imagine that she has a chance ...and she opened the negative scandal material...where are we now...
...do you all forget why Al gore felt he could not look to the Clintons for support. Do you understand as you are throwing out Rezko and a refuted facts conversation by the canadian government as a scandal for Obama...who Hillary is.

Do you realize it is not common ...even in politics...for someone to have lists...not one two or three but lists of scandals... you allopened the wound with your Obama hasn't been vetted...your right Hillary has... thanks for opening the character issues...ugh.

Posted by: klondike | Mar 4, 2008 1:23:55 PM

She even has a case going on right now in california... something to do about her Senate seat... and you have not seen Obama go anywhere near these issues... and you wonder why we like Obama so much. Not that it was right and , no we don't know all the details but oh a land deal... thrown at Obama's character ...Hillary doesn't have one of those.

Posted by: klondike | Mar 4, 2008 1:27:32 PM

the clintons have never underestimated the intelligence of the voters, they absolutley count on them to be uninformed and stupid. All of this 'dirt' kicked up around Obama, much of it released by the Clinton camp has added up to exactly zero. Afters investigations and hundreds of news stories, no wrongdoing, anywhere. however, HRC still has not released her taxes to explain how she came up with $5MM on short notice. Still not released her papers as first lady that will suppossedly verify all of her foreign policy experience.
All of HRC's Political experience has lead her to this point, where winning the contest is more important than serving the people.

Posted by: Louis | Mar 4, 2008 1:31:12 PM

That's funny, lluluadorl.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 1:42:16 PM

Dogsoldier you are kidding right? No I am not blaming Hillary for Rezko...but her camp is the one pushing the story. The meeting happened correct and Barack should have been aware that one of his advisors had been approached by the Canadian embassy and spoke without consent from the campaign, and the statements in the press that were supposedly stated have been refuted by all parties involved oh, besides the man who leaked them to the press Brodie...a staunch conservative.

...and I don't know when being educated suddenly became a bad thing. There is something wrong in America when being educated is being used as an insult...but believe it or not even with how I type...I am.

By the way ...Shall I post ALL the scandals from the Clintons ... do you not know there was a land scandal,a little thing that went on for years and many Americans still have questions about... perhaps you don't remember all of the issues...and that her land scandal involved 40 million dollars...and she was actually the subject of the investigation. How about Peter Paul...do you know about him? Now shall we open up the Bill and Hillary file since you all want to throw that all out there.

These are just the tip of the list... I am just trying to show what this negative character fights that Hillary has opened up are going to bring now.

Posted by: klondike | Mar 4, 2008 1:44:24 PM

Louis--I can promise you it wasn't by staying at home and let others support her. Or, by going to the local charity hospital and letting someone else pay her medical and prescription bills.

Posted by: I LOVE MY COACH PURSE | Mar 4, 2008 1:46:06 PM

james,

You've got it exactly right. I'm not an active supporter of Clinton, but I think that, were she to win the nomination, Obama hasn't made statements that would call into question her ability to do the job. He has been very good (though not perfect) about suggesting that he believes he'd be better, but she is not incapable.

Meanwhile, she has made comments like "He's not good for the country" and "If he can't beat us on national security, how could he beat John McCain?" The latter sounds to me like their going so far as to say McCain is even *stronger* than her on nation security. There's nothing wrong with a vigorous campaign, but she's providing the Republican nominee with ample ammunition to go after Obama if he becomes the Democratic candidate.

And that's just not smart.

Posted by: dobeng | Mar 4, 2008 1:48:17 PM

Obama= way 2 many questions!!
Michelle Obama= unpatriotic!!

that is why I voted for Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: I LOVE MY COACH PURSE | Mar 4, 2008 1:48:28 PM

He cannot speak against Farrakhan while financially supporting and participating in his church without being a liar.

One of those things is a lie--I think ACTIONS speak louder than words!

Posted by: Ben | Mar 4, 2008 1:57:40 PM

Klondike,
Welcome to "presidential politics". It is no game for "kids". Throw all you want, HRC will remain standing. Ask a certain Ken Starr. However, the problem is your man, Obama. Has he got "skin"? He is already running from the press! And the fun part has not even started. Wait till Karl Rove gets in on the action. But the "comedy" wont get that far. They are enough real people out there with real concerns to make sure that s..t doesn't happen

Posted by: lluluadorl | Mar 4, 2008 1:58:19 PM

We need to vote for the person that WE feel is the most qualified. DO NOT VOTE TO KEEP THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TOGETHER. Vote with your head and your heart. Don't vote because the obamamaniacs are telling you if you vote for Hillary you are voting to destroy the Democratic Party. The Democratic party will survive. Please do not follow the obama parade on this vote.

Posted by: Lou | Mar 4, 2008 2:07:25 PM

Well it's funny the how Hillary's scandals are all rumors... think how well Hillary has done so far in this primary...with DEMOCRATS...no republicans, no independents, no swing states...and all her scandals have been in the press...uh...when?
Everyone keeps asking why the press has not questioned Obama on this Rezko thing...but Hillary hasn't had her past (and many unanswered questions...oh besides taxes and white house documentation oh that's right...and that does not come close to what's to come oy)...brought into the debate.
I am positive Hillary will still stand after the attacks...the question is will the Democratic Party.

Obama did not play on questionable assertions and that speaks volumes to who is more of the President that America wants.

Posted by: klondike | Mar 4, 2008 2:09:19 PM

BTW, klondike, what makes you think because you vote Obama makes you somehow more of a democrat than anyone who votes Hillary? What in the heck are you thinking? How could you possibly come up with this nonsense?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 2:23:35 PM

Closing the deal has nothing to do with it. Republicans are crossing over to vote for Hillary Clinton to drag it out and try to split the Democratic Party in half. Can any Democrat tell me why this is a good thing? So, if you wanted to save your party why would you allow this to happen? With a divided party neither of them can win. Hence, she should get out.

Posted by: john | Mar 4, 2008 2:30:33 PM

How patriotic are people who lie to get us into war!!!!

Posted by: james | Mar 4, 2008 2:36:27 PM

Lou, the party is already destroyed! Just look at all the comments on this board. Look at the how easy it is for the double standards to be overlooked, as long as its not Obama, its ok.

Apparently, Rezko and even Farrakhan is all they use, and because they are so disingenuous (giving most of you the benefit of the doubt), that will be what they continue to push. Just like Hillary. And klondike, I think it was, was right. Obama has not degraded or belittled queen hillary....he has made not one attempt to tear her person down. And if he did, oh my....I can hear the cats squealing now.

double standards, inconsistent, ambiguous...nothing but distortions and manipulation. But if she were out front they would want everyone to support her. HA, not this dem. Just like you, I would rather see her lose than to vote for her. She's a liar, period.
What an act for all women to follow.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 2:39:09 PM

John, with reference to Republicans crossing over to vote Clinton, have you forgotten Obama's mailers starting back in Nevada to republicans to be a democrat for a day to vote against Clinton? Or did you have selective memory? Furthermore, we have been saying for some time that we believe only democrats should choose the democrat candidate, but up to this point in time no one seems ready to say there are problems here. On Kelly Anne, I know how the internet piece reads, but how does the actual court transcripts read as opposed to some writer giving his/her definition of what actually occurred.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 2:40:42 PM

Bill, it is not mathematically impossible to catch up in the delegate race, just as it was not impossible when Obama caught up. Stop posting as though you are all knowing. Especially since your're wrong.

Posted by: irma | Mar 4, 2008 2:40:58 PM

There really must be something "taken in" at those Obama rallies that make ALL his supporters sound so stupid. Is your seeping hatred related to politics or are you in the early stages of something more serious. I advice you see a psychiatrist... fast!!

Posted by: lluluadorl | Mar 4, 2008 2:44:14 PM

The electoral picture between Dem and Rep looked bleak from the start for the Reps. The RNC is not stupid. Their only hope for a win in Nov is to use a divide and conquer strategy - fuel fights between Dems to give them time to unite the Rep party and to select a nominee they can control. They appear to have that nominee.

The RNC press release 6/13/2007 by their opposition research is the reason Obama was embarassed into donating Rezko funds to charity although his camp accused Clinton. The trial is the reason the media is vetting the issue although his camp accused Clinton. The RNC did another press release 1-2 weeks ago pushing the media to vet Obama and pushed for Rep voters to cross over and vote for Clinton. Once again, the Obama camp accuses Clinton.

The CTV media vetting the NAFTA issue is the reason he is taking heat there. Timing and perception are everything in politics. His judgement is what is being called into question.

The Clinton camp is not doing anything any other candidate in a primary race wouldnt do and that is defend the attacks about judgement when that is the premise of Obama's campaign. He put it out there, she defends herself and attacks back as would anyone.

The RNC wants Obama to be stupid (since he is naive and has never run against the RNC machine) and blame Clinton for the things they are doing. Notice Clinton is not stupid enough to blame the Obama camp for anything. She competes against Obama directly not his camp.

Now the electoral picture is looking strong for Clinton and weak for Obama. Given that Clinton has 14+8+7=29 years experience against the Rep machine combined with being heavily vetted by 40 mill of our tax dollars being spent by the Rep machine, they know she can beat McCain. What they want to do is prevent a unity ticket and drive Dem voters to vote for McCain. That is their only shot and they are going for it.

Clinton has always emphasized the most important thing in this election is the defeat of the Rep party nominee. Party unity is required and a smart experienced nominee is needed. She can beat them and has already been "rescuing" Obama. She reached out with another subtle suggested two days ago for Obama to make his communication and meeting documents public to show transparency to beat the RNC to the punch. She knows this is what it takes to beat the Rep machine. He is just not listening. New voters are just not aware of what is going on. It is up to all of us who are active voters to help them understand and unify the Dem party at the convention.

Clinton the smart choice for smart change. Vote Smart!

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 4, 2008 2:44:56 PM

reaganfan, you are evidence of the fact that being well educated does not translate into intelligence. Intelligence is something one is born with, education is input. There are many who have received a lot of input yet demonstrate no common sense.

Posted by: irma | Mar 4, 2008 2:46:09 PM

And still Obama gets NO credit...this man was over 20 points down and now he's this close in only a matter of what, 2-3 weeks? Just imagine if he had another week or two.
The clinton scandals are not just rumors lol the hillbillies have been at this for years!

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 2:46:19 PM

voting for hillary would be voting stupid, and that is something I refuse to do.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 2:47:15 PM

Well jay honey, then it won't be her running this country Right?????She is ready day one?????I have a letter stating all the good things they done while in the White House if you give me you e mail I would love to send to you just so you can see all the GOOD thing they done...All the peole that were killed or supposed to have killed themselves>>>>>>>>They are quite the couple....When her tax returns come out you examine them carefully see how she is understanding the middle and poor people There is no Middle anymore just rich and poor.Do you honestly think she gives a crap for us lower older people????I don't>>>>>>>>

Posted by: honest | Mar 4, 2008 2:48:52 PM

Now we have to live through the clinton supporters revisionist campaign history, ugghhhh.
clinton is now teaching distortion 101, dishonesty 303, manipulation 403, and nothing but lies 415.
All you supporters hurry and signup, as the classes will be full.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 2:52:11 PM

McCain was read his obituary and had to put his home up for a loan to stay in the race and now he's the Republican standard bearer. So, Hillary was up, then she went down and Obama went up by 16. That's the past. Who can change that? In reference to your vote, it's your own. Use it how you wish. We'll do the same.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 2:55:06 PM

Never underestimate the intelligence of a voter, or the stupidity of one.

Posted by: Chgosaint | Mar 4, 2008 3:07:22 PM

DCVoter you are absolutely correct in your assessment of the RNC and what they are trying to do. That is why there are people in line right now in TX and OH, voting for hillary.
And they have accomplished their goal, in the divisiveness, but not without a lot of help from hillary. She will be the only one with a dog in that fight.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 3:07:33 PM

Texas rules. Anyone from any party can vote for anyone else in any party they choose. You can vote twice, once for regular and then they caucus later. It's a tossup and it appears whoever get the most republicans voting for them may win.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 3:10:30 PM

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress.
Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005.
Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate. Hillary has introduced 16 pieces of legislation -- to either rename office buildings or post offices...

Posted by: Chgosaint | Mar 4, 2008 3:12:49 PM

There will be Republicans who will vote for Hillary over McCain because she is a woman of faith. TBN has practically endorsed her. Some people are all about family values, which Hillary has proven as a Mother, Wife and a person who has maintained her marriage vows of for better or worse. Also, many people of faith believe in lot of the Democratic party's social/domestic interventions for those who are vulnerable in society. There are good Christian people in the Republican party who are not about war and greed.

Posted by: irma | Mar 4, 2008 3:15:43 PM

DCVoter...what are you talking about "Clinton hasn't blamed Obama for anything"?

This idea that Barack doesn't get the game that the Republicans are playing...and that she is just doing what any campaign would do... Wolfson mentioned Rezco 3 times this morning on one MSNBC interview. Barack has repeatedly told his campaign not to go there when it comes to these scandals... that is the difference. The reason people "drink the cool aid" is because they hope that American democracy can be better.

Your argument that she is better at these tough or dirty politics with republicans is weak at best... Hillary will fight and survive the attacks and go on to be Senator another day...but this is not about surviving the attacks for political survival. This is about the democratic party taking a stand for what we know is right and fighting for it for the country. Change the game... especially because the republicans are much better at winning at that game...and I personally don't care to hold that title.

Posted by: klondike | Mar 4, 2008 3:17:24 PM

Furthermore, I forgot to add AA voter get more delegates, 15, to Latino Americans, 8, even if both groups have the exact same number of voters. I can't make this stuff up folks, this is Texas rules.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 3:19:40 PM

Being one of those old people who has voted in oh so many elections, I find this one exhilerating. I wondered until now how first time voters & very young voters make up their minds without any personal experience, political education, previous voting experiences & elementary awareness of the real process of electing someone with the right stuff. It is like the blind leading the blind, it is easier to vote for the unknown, the improv, the let's see what happens, rather than the historical recorded check list of a well known inside & out canidate who is a proven benificial citizen to our society with no naughty baggage. I have spoken to first time to be voters & they are muddling about in this fog of what they perceive as 'their part' & they are going to 'make the difference'. Yep, the difference in this election is there are voters who are unable to even recite the path of how to send a bill to the house, ones who can't even recite the pledge of alligence, sing the Star Spangled Banner, or recite the Constitution of the United States. What a scarry thought. Let's just run all those voters through on a promise & a stack of pancakes. That will kick start this country in the right direction. Who needs experience when you have money to buy voters? Oh, I fotgot, this is America, you can buy anything. Please be aware of your reasons for voting & aware of the consequences of your vote & know the process of our democratic society you like critisizing but love living in, & think you know how to vote. Underestimate the intellegence of a voter? I don't know personally anyone under the age of 30 that knows our pledge, our constitution, nor where to go to to vote! How did that happen? Guess being so old, that is why they are asking me where I went to vote!!

Posted by: seasoned | Mar 4, 2008 3:21:24 PM

Seasoned, perhaps you should have sent them to the mall.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 3:25:48 PM

Chgosaint, please, please, please....you cannot get them to understand FACTS. FACTS are not taught in hillarys school of cranks, only innuendo and distortions and lies and manipulations and you name it.

Ssshhhhh, remember, Obama has done absolutely nothing. If all he did was name a few buildings like she has done...... woooooo, I shudder at the thought.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 3:27:20 PM

Seasoned - My friends and I can do all those things...my parents and grandparents can recite the pledge, sing the anthem and get upset about immigrants coming and taking jobs, but how congress works, how a bill is passed, the preamble of the constitution... ...With that they might come up empty.

My nieces and nephews though wouldn't take a second look at a gay couple on the street, they wouldn't even mention if someone was a different race, and they would have spoken on the internet to people from Asia, New Orleans and NYC.

There are pros and cons to youth.

Posted by: dl | Mar 4, 2008 3:29:07 PM

I also tried publishing links to legislative records but that is not allowed on this service apparently. As an Illinois resident, Obama voted in over 4000 votes in the short time in the state legislature. He voted present 100 times. Present can mean you have a conflict of interest and should not vote. So let's see that would be .25% of all votes. Now lets see how many times Hillary voted in the Senate total... Less than 1000? But she has 8 years experience in the Senate......

Posted by: Chgosaint | Mar 4, 2008 3:33:07 PM

Chosaint, while you're checking Obama's web site for his accomplishments, perhaps you aught to check out Hamas's web site as well. They also have a long list of wonderful thing they're doing for mankind. Then go to al Quaeda's they are another mankind loving group it appears. Oh, my, who to believe? So many wonderful and noble people out there. Who to believe? Such wonderful, wonderful, choices. Nah. I'll stick with Clinton.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 3:37:08 PM

klondike - in case you missed it, here is the chronology: the RNC started the smear campaign on Obama last June... they also nudged the press again because of the timing of the trial 2 weeks ago... Clinton made a statement to "nudge" Obama into being transparent so he can beat the RNC to the punch last week... Wolfson started making statements to the press telling them to ask the tough questions of Obama the way they have of Clinton two days ago... Clinton is trying to help him but still campaign against him... the same way she rescued him from his Farrakahn blunder which he admitted she rescued him... she has been his mentor for years and she is loyal to the party... the division from both sides of the Dem party is being caused by the tactics of the RNC

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 4, 2008 3:37:28 PM

Then put your facts on the table including sources LA. I'll answer and if I can't someone else from Clinton camp will.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 3:42:56 PM

to vet is to exam and evaluate....not distort, not manipulate, not a consistent push of accusatory innuendo without facts. At least not in a civilized, democratic society.
Well over a month ago, when Rezko's name came up (by hillary) reporters decided to examine and evaluate and came up with the same thing Chicago had already known last year and the year before.

But somehow in karl and hillary's book, that definition of the slash and burn vetting process includes asking the same question over and over, until you answer it differently, so then they can continue to accuse you of the bs they accused you of initially. You just have to be guilty of the accusation, because if you aren't guilty then (gasp) you must walk on water or something.

It's called gotcha politics, and apparently, hillary is working on her black belt....just shameful!
The old whining story works the same....'well they did it to meeeee'

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 3:51:27 PM

Take it away DCVoter. You got this one.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 3:53:33 PM

hey dogsoldier, you tried to slam me yesterday, so no FACTS for you....

You just continue to sit over there and brush all of yesterdays facts up under that rug. Be careful, its gettin kinda lumpy over there...I wouldn't want you to trip and fall.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 3:54:33 PM

DCVote - Sorry if that is true... I don't see it. Wink winks and nudge nudges...not sure what that is. So you'll have to forgive me because from someone who has watched the campaign from the beginning intensively, been involved with both Hillary and Baracks camapigns (I live in Exeter NH and been a political junkie all my 37 years, so I have seen all the candidates speak, spent every fourth day at a political event and breathed the campaign for a year while the candidates and their campaigns were around)... I saw the differences in how the two campaigns were run atleast on the ground here for a year including the campaign chairs. I saw the republicans at many town halls and baby kissings. I saw the spin that each put on their campaigns.

What I saw was a Clinton campaign that was large and nice in tone but didn't seem to be "working" at it and a Hillary who seemed more like a queen than another citizen...and I saw a Barack campaign, when it started over a year ago with Barack himself talking to each person in a living room, and asking/relating to them and talking to them not down...
I think what has happened is the Clinton Campaign was sideswiped by something they didn't see coming. I saw when Barack was getting press but it wasn't that that made him a rock star... people hadn't had a candidate talk to them that way...with a pulse on what people were saying and responding to the need.

Old time politicians didn't get that. That is why I slowly stopped doing work for Hillary...and now it reminds me of one of those scenes in a movie where the queen is scrambling around yelling at her staff to in a burned out castle to kill the upstart.

So if this is the RNC's doing... I just don't see it...and I don't think many of the young people who have been to the campaigns do either.

Posted by: klondike | Mar 4, 2008 3:54:35 PM

Elsy - anyone who uses Mike Savage as a resource is really desperate.

Posted by: Chgosaint | Mar 4, 2008 3:56:16 PM

Sorry, LA, just got up a few hours ago from night shift. Go easy on me. I'm still stupid yet.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 4, 2008 3:58:06 PM

Unbiased information can also be found by searching for open secrets organization website. (I dont post links usually because the moderators delete posts with links in them.)

The campaign funding sources are very clear for all candidates. For Obama, he is the leading recipient of law firm contributions (which is how lobbyists usually filter the money since they are the lobbyists). It is unfortunate that he misleads voters into thinking he is above the fray. He is a very shrewd politician who can sway people outside Washington. He might be able to encourage bipartisanship but reports show he is not well liked in the Senate outside the Kennedy Kerry clan. Too bad they are not very good at getting bipartisan bills passed unless it benefits the wealthy. In any case, with Clinton's guidance, he might make a good veep since those skills can work as leader of the Senate.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 4, 2008 3:58:49 PM

Clinton is the best choice for America. People wake up and think carefully. she will bring back the economy, the international respect of the U.s. She has a good plan.
Obama is all talk and more importantly is weak in a number of issues: national security, health insurance. He is also involved in dirty Rekso's case.
Go for Hillary.

Posted by: Cuong Pham | Mar 4, 2008 4:01:18 PM

its ok dogsoldier, just shake them cobwebs right outta ya head, you'll be just fine in a couple of years. lol just keep shakin...

Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 4, 2008 4:12:19 PM

Irma ... Don't know who "Bill" is, but the delegate counting will be updated somewhat by tomorrow.

But right now the chance of catching up to Obama in pledged delegates is bleak.
I see Obama having an above average chance at winning Vermont, Mississippi, North Carolina and Oregon. He probably will win the caucus in Wyoming.

If she win by 10 points in TX, OH and RI tonight, she still has to win the rest of the 8 contests by 60-40 margins just to come close to catching up. Of course, you are right that it is not impossible for her to win. She can still clinch the nomination if she pulls out some Obama-sized victories tonight and in the remaining states.

If you got some super-secret-inside-info that nobody else has, please share.

Posted by: The IN-famous El Guapo | Mar 4, 2008 4:32:33 PM

Fellow dems we should just give up if Hillary wins TX. There are too many fools in our party. Anyone supporting Hillary is not looking at the big picture. She will lose to McCain.

Posted by: Right on Day1 | Mar 4, 2008 4:54:52 PM

klondike - I think both candidates meet minimum rqmts but Clinton has a stronger resume, both are politicans but Clinton has way more experience beating the RNC. The end goal is regaining the WH and I think you would agree there.

Obama is a good orator and a shrewd politician. He is a showhorse with the most liberal voting record. His strategy works well with new voters, the liberal lattes, and disgruntled Indies and Reps who all want change and do not trust Washington. The numbers support that.

Clinton has a strong record of getting things done and has earned the respect of the Senate (Dems and Reps alike) for bipartisanship without abandoning her base. She is workhouse with a moderate voting record. She has maintained the Dem core and is getting some Indies and Reps to maintain her numbers in spite of being outspent and outraised.

End result? Each inspire their respective halfs of the party vote in the primaries. Obama is unable to be a uniter alone and Clinton is unable to be a uniter alone. But together they can beat the Reps. The question to be answered by the voters and the SDs is which one will be the nominee.

I ignore campaign tactics between them and the MSM spin. Both will try anything they can to get elected... it is after all a competition. The RNC will try anything it can to beat them. The evidence is there to show how the RNC is keeping the Dems fighting in the hope of disgruntled Dems voting for McCain in the GE. Since I do not agree with the Reps failed policies, I voted Dem although I am an Indie. All things considered, Clinton is the strongest nominee candidate IMHO.

Vote Smart!

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 4, 2008 5:02:51 PM

I don't get it. What is with this infatuation with Obama ,anyway. All the Obamaniacs are in a state of frenzy totally subjugated and mesmerized with him. Why? Forgive me but I see him possesing a big ego. No body is better than him and his wife Michelle. Obama is in this race because hi needs the lime light and he's feeling right now larger than life. How sad is that. There is no susbtance.

Posted by: Maria | Mar 4, 2008 9:19:11 PM

Bill obviously has never read the bloggers out there. No offense to anyone on this page because this is one of the sanest one's I've seen (regardless of who you support)- but some of the other blogs I've been on, geez, someone pray for us all.

Posted by: alpaig | Mar 4, 2008 9:31:14 PM

Hillary has suffered a lot humiliation from people suggestig she is, to old and that she ages every day accordindg to a radio host.Mr. Obama has been very arrogant whith her as well. Not many poeple see the depth of this woman. Hillary has a tremendous reservoir of inner strength at her disposal. It's unfortunatethat . most people don't see it. I see it and admire that in her. She does'nt have the gloss Mr. Barack has.But there is nothing superficial about this woman. I like that.

Posted by: Maria | Mar 4, 2008 9:40:31 PM

LETS GO HILLARY! BRING US
EXPERIENCE STRENGTH AND HOPE!!!

WE DONT NEED A PRESIDENT ON TRAINING WHEELS- JUST SAY NO OBAMA!

YES WE NEED A CHANGE AND HILLARY CLINTON WILL BRING IT TO US!
SHE WAS THE RIGHT CLINTON FOR THE JOB ALL ALONG.