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Clinton Says Obama is "Afraid"
March 20, 2008 1:57 PM
ABC News' Eloise Harper Reports: Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) escalated her rhetoric against Barack Obama (D-Ill.) regarding Michigan and Florida.
Clinton, a bit more fiery when discussing this issue, said "I have as the Democratic National Committee has come out in favor of an effort to re-vote in Michigan. I do not know what Senator Obama is afraid of. But it is going to hurt our party and our chances in November so I would call on him to once again to join me in giving the people of Florida and Michigan the chance to be counted as we move forward in this nominating process."
Clinton was asked if she needed Florida and Michigan to count to catch up with Obama.
Clinton said "I have been in favor of fixing this problem no matter what my position. I have been consistently in favor of it."
Clinton then went on to say "for the life of me I don't understand why Senator Obama seems to be afraid of," she said. "He comes up with all of these legalistic answers. The people of Michigan and their legislature made it very clear that they would proceed with a re-vote. Unfortunately Senator Obama's campaign said 'no.' Two out of the three of us said yes. You will have to ask him what he is afraid of to go forward."
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You madame, are the one that is afraid.
And by the way, can you please show us your tax returns already.
Posted by: gmaryland | Mar 20, 2008 2:03:54 PM
ABC News is absolutely correct in covering this story because it is exactly this issue that has the power to split the democratic party for a decade or more. It's that serious. I'm telling you folks I feel so strongly over FL and MI I will gladly aid in this spit because this is about democracy itself. And that's more than worth ripping any single party apart because this is about freedom. The freedom of choice. This is about everything to ask of the rest of the world, chose freedom we ask. And if we do not practice it here at home then we have lost our MORAL right to ask it of any another nation.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 20, 2008 2:13:00 PM
How about Obama showing us all of his records as state senator? Also, we want to see his tax returns for all the years that he was cooperating with Rezko, not just the year of 2006!
Posted by: Jeff | Mar 20, 2008 2:13:36 PM
Clinton continues to lie about what really happened in MI and FL. If the elected officials in these states wanted to do a re-vote they would. Hillary --- stop blaming Obama. You are showing how shallow, deceitful, and vindictive you are. And if anyone is dividing the Democratic Party, it's you and your pit bull campaign workers.
Posted by: Janet | Mar 20, 2008 2:17:15 PM
Obama's a crybaby; what is he afraid of??? afraid of losing??? Why take it out on the American people, oh wait he learned from the best, PASTOR WRIGHT!
Posted by: calif | Mar 20, 2008 2:17:28 PM
I agree....seems the media is trying to protect the liar, Obama! He should have to show his tax returns, show is agenda as a senator, etc. The guy is a fake and we all know it....the sooner he is out of the candidacy, the better!
Posted by: jack | Mar 20, 2008 2:18:08 PM
Why this time Obama didn't say 'let voters decide'?
2/3 votes decide to revote. Why Obama didn't listen?
He says one thing and does another?!
Posted by: golfgirlusa | Mar 20, 2008 2:18:30 PM
I'm gonna warn the Obama supporters. If Obama does not agree to seat the voters of MI and FL then what LITTLE good will Obama may have here in the Clinton camp will disappear for good. I'm dead serious about that. If you folks want to walk down that road you will lose the Clinton voters forever. And when we go you can count on FL and MI voter going with us in the general. This is not only FL or MI or Clinton's problem but it is also Obama's massive problem and he knows it even if some of you like Janet do not.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 20, 2008 2:19:15 PM
And so he should be afraid. He is afraid of what is going to come out next that will bite him on the butt. Obama is no leader - he is a hypocrite to the fullest degree - he is racist to the fullest degree - If obama is elected as president of the USA, the USA will be destroyed within by obama and his close supporters - Teddy kennedy, John Kerry, The rev. Wright, The Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan - Sure you obamamaniacs - keep on pushing him to the White House - and watch who will be running this country and it won't be obama - he doesn't have the courage, strength or fortitude to do.
I hope McCain buries him deep with his own rhetoric.
Step down now obama
Posted by: Lou | Mar 20, 2008 2:21:00 PM
Those wanting to see Hillary's tax return is impatient. Every citizen will file fot tax. Hillary will definite file. I didn't file mine either, does it mean I'm hiding? I'm such a simple person, what do I hide? It's simply because I'm too busy. Hillary and Bill definitely have higher earning power than Obama, their tax is definitely more complex than Obama. But definitely they will file, I don't worry about it at all. I don't think Hillary is so silly to hide tax. Obama supporters, waste your time there.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | Mar 20, 2008 2:23:43 PM
Dogsoldier: Holding votes hostage is child's play. You and everyone else can do that if you want but the only people you screw are yourselves. It's not Obama's problem to solve. Go back to the DNC for setting the rule in the first place and stop using Obama as the scapegoat for this mess. If the situation was reversed and Obama asked Hillary to agree to a re-vote she'd laugh in his face and you know it.
Posted by: Brenna | Mar 20, 2008 2:24:11 PM
OK, sorry for the joke! LOL
But, no matter how hard Hillary's camp tries to persuade Obama supporters that they are 'wrong' .. it only makes the people who believe in him work harder.
We, as a country, are SICK of the Clintons. We don't need their "shady past", their disgrace of our White House, or .. them constantly trying to spin gold out of straw.
Who would ans. Hillary's phone at 3:AM, we all know, it could be ANY number of people, and not necessarly any one with a brain.
Sorry, but we need Obama more than he needs us.
Our CHILDREN need a President they can look up to, respect, and count on!
Posted by: 1st_Blush | Mar 20, 2008 2:25:19 PM
dogsoldier,
puuuleeeeze, the party is already split. If clinton steals the nomination, you might get a few Obama votes, but not enough to put you over the top.
And if by chance, Obama gets the nomination, we already know you silly hillary children will not vote for him.
So....there you have it. A party destroyed.
I'm ready for a third party, without the damn clintons.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 20, 2008 2:26:02 PM
Clinton made the same pledge as Obama, NOT to compete in these states.
Obama has nothing to do with the mess in Michigan and Florida. Clinton was fine with the rules when she knew she was the heir apparent. It was not until she was losing, that Michigan's and Florida's voices needed to be heard.
Michigan and Florida put the DNC in a terrible position, and it is the fault of their leaders, who knowingly and willingly broke the rules. If the DNC backs down to them, their is no stopping other states from making up their own rules and ignoring the DNC. The problem is much bigger than Barack or Hillary.
Posted by: Paul | Mar 20, 2008 2:26:57 PM
He is afraid. And though I won't warn obama supporters, I will say it does look pretty bad from the outside. Perhaps an Obama fanatic could explain to us his thinking on this, cause to me it looks more and more like he's just another good ol' fashioned politician.
Posted by: Belle | Mar 20, 2008 2:27:13 PM
Vanessa-Laugh if you want. But this IS very serious business. And if you believe Obama is a smart man, and I believe he is, then Obama does know how serious this issue is for the democratic party even if you chose not to acknowledge. And Obama does know he needs FL and MI to win the general. He's not a stupid man, nor is his team. Obama and his team knows how close this is to the entire democratic party self destruction. Just as Clinton and her team knows.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 20, 2008 2:27:27 PM
It is you who is afraid Hillary.
Hillary changes her tune more often then most change clothes. Pathetic
Posted by: Tiffany | Mar 20, 2008 2:27:40 PM
Yeah, he's afraid he can't win with fairness, because he's used to having his candidacy "fixed".
Posted by: PINK | Mar 20, 2008 2:28:22 PM
Voters in Fl and MI will have the opportunity to have their voice heard in November and will come out in millions to support Barak win the Presidency of America. Hillary cannot and should not dictate the rules of the game, it is the DNC which will do that and local representatives of the party. Her sponsors wanted to pay for a revote in FL and MI making the primaries a private business.OBAMA08
Posted by: BKMC | Mar 20, 2008 2:28:28 PM
How is Hillary dictating when everyone agreed about the MI revote but Obama? The DNC was fine with it.
Posted by: Belle | Mar 20, 2008 2:29:51 PM
Senator Obama, please, whether you are white or black, in the name of racial
unity, endorse the revote of Florida and Michigan. There is a brewing move, if they will not be heard this primary election
thru revoting, a solid group is calling to boycott the November election. This State of Florida will surelly go for John McCain and the White House to the Republicans.
Posted by: Francis Magno | Mar 20, 2008 2:31:10 PM
she should know it....she is responsible for it!
ms inevitable is crying because she is behind and can't figure out how to catch up....other than lie and distort. Its what she does best when she's in a bind. And you clowns voting for her take that as a tough fighter. HA She's just a gutter politician like the republicans. She should have run on their ticket instead.
Can you tell just how much I really don't like her (and him)?! uuugggghhhhh
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 20, 2008 2:31:57 PM
If BHO is the nominee, Lets say Hello to President McCain.
Posted by: Kuttan | Mar 20, 2008 2:32:05 PM
Kuttan,
You really do not get it! It will happen with either one! HRC is worse off! The only solution is the two of them together on the same ticket, it to late any otehr way
Posted by: ron | Mar 20, 2008 2:33:59 PM
Don't you just love Obama supporters whining about rules? But if the SuperDelegates choose Clinton instead of Obama THEN we can't follow that set of rules. We can't over turn the WILL of the voters. That's stealing the election, they say. And I thought it was only Obama who would throw his grandmother under the bus to win, now I find out that this is the character of the Obama supporters themselves. Hypocrites.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 20, 2008 2:34:02 PM
Obama started off with his campaign going on the attack via the Obama obsessive media who did his dirty work for him. He ganged up with Republican support to slowly rid all candidates and is frustrated that he couldn't eliminate Hillary, thanks to us. Now he is working on eliminating voters for his win. Yeah, "Tell me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are"; REZKO/Wright/Obama and now Black Panthers. Obama's Black Liberation-Chicago Politics Movement; get everyone who is not with us, out of the way.
Posted by: Priscilla | Mar 20, 2008 2:34:41 PM
Obama played by the rules. Hillary didn't. Now Hillary wants to change the rules to save herself, and is lying about her earlier positions on the FL and MI votes.
Its sad that FL and MI voters are collateral damage, however you can be sure that if Hillary was leading and Obama was complaining, Hillary voters in MI and FL wouldn't say word one.
Call it what it is: Politics.
Posted by: Gion | Mar 20, 2008 2:35:36 PM
Senator Obama afraid? I think not.
Look, with all due respect to Sen. Clinton supporters, as a Sen. Obama supporter, I was more than willing to vote for Hillary if she was the nominee instead of Barack. But she has done nothing except dismiss Iowa voters and female voters who don't already support her. She dismisses caucus states as not counting. And, she dismisses anyone who doesn't agree with her 100% as dilusional. She's becoming a not so very nice person and it makes it difficult to even consider her as a second choice.
She has done nothing but generate more rumors to be talked about causing distraction from the real issues and has continued to play the neighborhood bully every time she doesn't get her way.
I don't want a President who resorts to that kind of politics. And, since Sen. Obama is ahead in popular vote as well as delegate count, I don't for one moment believe it's Sen. Obama who is afraid.
It's time for the Sen. Clinton and her supporters to adopt some of the same courtesies as the rest of us.
Stop the name-calling, stop the bullying, stop the diversionary stuff and let's get back to the real issues before the Republicans take back the White House for who knows how many more years!
Enough already!
Posted by: Cheryl | Mar 20, 2008 2:38:53 PM
Gion, thank you for your right contribution. Dogsoldier nobody will be surprised to see Clinton's supporters going toward McCain, that will just firm their great friendship. She may have the HHS portfolio and implement this time HillaryCare.
Posted by: BKMC | Mar 20, 2008 2:39:24 PM
He played by the rules, yes. But he also took advantage of loopholes to air national ads in Florida. So, I agree..it's politics.
Posted by: Belle | Mar 20, 2008 2:39:46 PM
Clinton said "I have been in favor of fixing this problem no matter what my position. I have been consistently in favor of it."
Not according to NPR, where she said, "well, you know, we all know that the votes in Florida and Michigan don't count." This was, of course, BEFORE she wasn't crowned the nominee Super Tuesday.
Posted by: Carlo | Mar 20, 2008 2:40:29 PM
Gion-I beg to differ. Had Obama won and the votes not counted I would bet my last dollar AL SHARPTON and JESSIE JACKSON would be marching in the streets long ago. Matter of fact, Al Sharpton already said if the super delegates choose Clinton instead of Obama there will be riots in the streets and he will be marching to make his case. Do your research.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 20, 2008 2:40:54 PM
Im suspecting at this point, Obama couldn't careless if he wins the nomination and loses the general as long as he wins against her in the primary. This is what Clinton has reduced this guy too. They over stepped themselves and now there is real hate and dislike for her from camp Obama (although this is simple a guess and an opinion...).
Looks to me she took the fighting spirit to far.....
Posted by: Christina | Mar 20, 2008 2:42:25 PM
People shouldn't be mad at Obama or Clinton. They should be mad at the Governor's of MI and FL. Those governors (one Dem. one Repub.) knew that the threat of stripping delegates loomed when they authorized the primaries on their original dates. Voters should be mad at them for not allowing their votes to count. They should be mad at no one else.
Now, of course, it becomes political. Both campaigns have concerns about how it would be conducted and how it could be fair to all involved.
In total, these re-votes would do little to change the outcome. Clinton or Obama might net 10 delegates total. That will make little difference in the overall delegate counts. Why should anyone spend $15 Million per state for a 10 delegate swing. It makes no sense. Split MI and FL delegates down the middle. Then see how the rest turns out.
Furthermore, we shouldn't reward FL and MI for breaking the rules. We shouldn't give them supreme power for violating rules. That being said, as Dogsoldier stated, the rules are the rules. And, those rules include Super Delegates. If those Super's choose to throw support to Clinton, while the voters chose Obama, then so be it. Rules are made and should be followed. No matter how that plays out for your particular candidate.
Posted by: John | Mar 20, 2008 2:43:39 PM
oh gee....now we have priscilla on here spewing fauxnews crap.
the black panther story was another lie force-fed to all the racists in the country by FoxNews to not vote for Obama. How transparent.
2008 and we still have people afraid to say, I can't and won't vote for him because his skin is brown. So they create distorted issues.
Y'all better be careful, God don't like ugly.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 20, 2008 2:43:46 PM
Obama needs to support this a re-vote in both Fl and MI. Hillary is correct on this one. Regardless of who becomes the Dem Nominee, a 50 state strategy will be essential to win in the general. Democrats of all stripes need to come together on this issue and stop being shortsighted. Fl. and MI dems already vowed to shy away from a Democrat in Nov. if their primary votes are not counted.
Posted by: billy | Mar 20, 2008 2:43:48 PM
"He played by the rules, yes. But he also took advantage of loopholes to air national ads in Florida. So, I agree..it's politics."
A national ad is a national ad. "A national ad in Florida" - what kind of crap reasoning is that?
I suppose he was running in Michigan as well by taking his name off the ballot? What kind of crazy people exist in the Democratic Party where you punish states only to end up giving them the loudest voice later?
Posted by: Gion | Mar 20, 2008 2:44:40 PM
HRC is afraid she is loosing. While she is stlll throwing the mud Obama is allready going after the man he will face in November.
It's all over HRC.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 20, 2008 2:45:30 PM
He took him name of the ballot by choice, that wasn't part of the agreement.
Posted by: Belle | Mar 20, 2008 2:46:53 PM
Okay,we'll go along with you Obama, we will follow the party rules and exclude millions of dems from voting. BUT, as you continue to drop in the polls, when the true amount of damage has been accessed from the Wright fallout, and the super delegates make their decision to vote for what is best for the party to win in the general electin as set up by the party rules, don't scream foul, when they lean towards Hillary. Remember,you and your supporters stance "rules are rules." The rules say the roles of the superdelegates are to vote what is best for their party.
Posted by: Jeff | Mar 20, 2008 2:47:21 PM
BHO's politics is all inclusive except MI and FL.
Posted by: esvida | Mar 20, 2008 2:47:26 PM
If the Obama campaign wasn't afraid that he would lose, of course they would want Mich. and Fla. count. It's disingenuous to say you want everyone to participate in an historic election and then disenfranchise over a million voters because you don't think you will come out ahead.
Posted by: mhhunt | Mar 20, 2008 2:47:34 PM
"But if the SuperDelegates choose Clinton instead of Obama THEN we can't follow that set of rules."
It will be completely by the rules. but Obama supporters will complain that every primary and caucus thus became meaningless and that people were disenfranchised... the same thing Clinton supporters are complaining about Florida and Michigan.
what it comes down to is Hillary supporters are mad about 2 states that broke the rules who are disenfranchising voters...
vs. Obama supporters, who will be mad about 48 states worth of disenfranchised voters.
Last time i checked, 48 is bigger than 2. 48 wins.
Posted by: Gion | Mar 20, 2008 2:47:49 PM
Cheryl- Amen!
Posted by: Sara | Mar 20, 2008 2:48:34 PM
MI and FL are a deal breaker for me. What are we as democrats if we don't let everyone vote? Where is AL GORE? He must have some wisdom on how to solve this problem. Remember politicians got us into this mess, not the voters of FL and MI. Sen. Hagel might be right in calling for a third party - one that lets everyone vote! And counts every vote!
Posted by: Sam | Mar 20, 2008 2:54:04 PM
Gion-What a silly post. Do research. Clinton won popular vote in Texas, yet according to the Texas Two Step rule, they also had a caucus which Obama won. So, we have Clinton a clean voter choice by the people and Obama won more delegates because of a caucus which overturned the will of the people. Only the democratic party can make up so crazy a primary. The simple fact is, the democratic party can't even run a primary election and it has to make one wonder if we can't even do that what makes anyone think we can run a country?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 20, 2008 2:54:53 PM
I am disappointed in both Obama and Hillary. But I am just frustrated and angry with Obama. If this is not resolved I will vote for McCain. Obama here's a heads up, don't say the will of the people are behind you, talk of building bridges, and than say MI and FL broke the rules so their voices(of the people that had nothing to do with the current chaos); you are a hypocrite! He has nothing to lose from a re-vote, he might of won MI and been close in FL, he may have even gained on the delegate lead, but instead his campaign refuses to let the will of the people of FL and MI be heard. Splitting the delegates once again is not the will of the people, since once again the DNC, not the people, dictate where the votes count. Either way the DNC and Obama campaign(yes Hillary messed up to support the DNC rules to being with but she at least has changed her tone, regardless if it works in her favor), are destroying their efforts in November. Let the people and FL and MI be heard or else hear their voices in November when they vote for McCain! Revote or seat the delegates, say no to voter disenfranchisement!
Posted by: Gonzalo | Mar 20, 2008 3:04:48 PM
hillary clinton responds to everything as a personal attack.
Asking for tax returns...a personal attack?
Calling her out on her lies....a personal attack?
The cow is back at it again with NAFTA, accusing Obama of personal attacks. She appeals to the ignorant and illiterate in this country with nothing but more lies and distortions.
She won Ohio fair and square, right?
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 20, 2008 3:05:09 PM
I don't remember Hillary mentioning anything until she "won" Michigan.
The entity that trashed those votes was Michigan. They knew they were not going to count when they moved the Primary date up. Of course, they also know that the DNC doesn't really have any rules or backbone, so they probably assumed things would change. Let's see if they do.
Posted by: hameiri | Mar 20, 2008 3:05:59 PM
Posted by: Dogsoldier,
She won one more delegate than he did. She won 92 and he won 91. I win is a win but it sure wasn't a big win. In fact, he will be the overall winner of the state as far as the contest goes for delegates.
And, I suspect had she NOT had Republican support and there not been so many voting problems in the state, he would come out on top overall. But, still it wasn't a massive blow out. 51 TO 47 is NOT a blow out and 1 delegate more sure isn't.
I love the way things are sit up here in the great state of Tx. Our sys is designed in a way that we can right wrongs, and Repub. dipping into Dem. business will have no significant outcome on the election that was held here on March 4th afterall. Eat the Mr. Fat a// Rush .
Posted by: Cathy | Mar 20, 2008 3:06:17 PM
Gion, Obama released an ad in Florida just before the primary, he BROKE the rules. He also had his campaign run a uncommited campaign in MI because he CHOSE to take his name off of the ballot, something no one asked the candidates to do. He and Edwards were the only ones who took their names off.
Posted by: Priscilla | Mar 20, 2008 3:08:56 PM
I believe these votes should be counted and I really don't know why Obama complains about not being on the ballot in MI,after all he didn't mind being the only one on the ballot when he ran for senator in chicago
Posted by: christel | Mar 20, 2008 3:12:01 PM
Obama sinking in all the polls – FOX, Gallup, CBS and Rasmussen all have him DOWN and most also show Hillary beating or closer to McCain than Obama is.
Obama runs on “Change” yet didn’t have the guts or will to change his Reverend’s warped and destructive views.
Obama runs on “Hope” yet he sat in the pews and did nothing while his Reverend told parishioners that there was no hope for them
Obama runs on “Judgment” yet brought his two young, impressionable daughters to a church where the Reverend spews racial division and Anti – Semitism.
How will he stand up to lobbyists, the health care industry and dictators when he couldn’t stand up to his crazy, deranged Reverend?
Hillary is the best and only choice….
Posted by: ch | Mar 20, 2008 3:12:27 PM
Bill's afraid that Hilliary will come home and all the fun will end. But seriously if anyone is afraid it's Hilliary/Bill. They are looking and acting pathetically desperate to save what they believed in their conceit was to be a coronation. This ISN'T England folks, she's gotta EARN it! And if she can't win, and decides to steal it with upledged delegates, then she's just like BUSH, and deserves to be treated as such, as well as all of her hypocrite supporters who hate the Republicans for 2000, but are doing just as blatant theft of THIS election as "Shrub" did. It seems that Hilliary and her cronies are all to eager to become what they claim to publicly despise. Namely no good Republicans. Corrupt to the core.
Posted by: cba | Mar 20, 2008 3:15:37 PM
Yeah, that's right, Al Sharpton was on Fox news, bloggers have been posting, rumors are in a couple of churches that there is a threat of riots if Obama is not the nominee. Whatever, so we are suppose to give away our right to Democracy to imature threats of violence?
Posted by: Priscilla | Mar 20, 2008 3:22:29 PM
cba, you're absolutely correct!
hillary and bill clinton now have their ignorant supporters lieing just as much as they do.
They claim they despise bush, but act exactly like they did in 2000 AND 2004. But remember, good ole bill talked w/karl rove, with a pat on the back at how impressed he was with him.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 20, 2008 3:22:48 PM
why don't we see who is ahead after the last vote is cast I think all along they knew they were going to seat FL and MI after Obama was sure he had the nomination they were wrong to think that women who admire Hillary as much as yong people and AA admire Obama would give up this easy there is not any reason not to go to the convention the media should just shut up and let us vote there always in every bodys business I think we should demand more out of our mediawhat ever happened to may the best person win.
Posted by: Bishop | Mar 20, 2008 3:32:58 PM
Bishop, you mean w/out all the lies and distortions? That would be nice.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | Mar 20, 2008 3:35:17 PM
Senator Obama has always supported the voters in Florida and Michigan. But you see, it is not up to Senator Clinton to orchestrate this effort - it is up to the DNC. If they come up with a solution, THEN they should call in Clinton & Obama to compromise on their proposal. Obama is not afraid - he said he would stand by the DNC's decision. But he is not a puppet for Hillary because she says jump. She did herself more harm than good going to Michigan at the last minute - made her look even more desperate!
Posted by: barbara miller | Mar 20, 2008 3:50:41 PM
No priscilla. But you're not supposed to give away your democracy to Faux News either!
If you get all your news from Fox and NEWSMAX, you deserve John McCain. The problem is that we get him along with you, and I can't stand for THAT!!!
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!
Posted by: Jackt51 | Mar 20, 2008 3:52:30 PM
Obama is holding things up by refusing to agree to the re-vote in MI, at no cost to him or his supporters.
Posted by: Priscilla | Mar 20, 2008 3:57:06 PM
Obama is not holding anything up so stop blaming him. Blame Dean, the DNC, and both states for moving their primaries up. Everyone knew those votes were not going to count and those states should not be rewarded for breaking the rules. So sorry they now have to suffer the consequences. We have rules for a reason. Besides, a revote in MI would be unfair since it was an open primary and now Hillary just wants it to be democrates who vote.
Posted by: sue | Mar 20, 2008 4:13:37 PM
And Obama's camp made it very clear that they will agree with whatever decisions the DNC comes up with, but their lawyers raised some important issues regarding potential legal issues with a re-vote.
Nobody in the Obama camp is holding up a vote. MI and FL might not want to understand, but they've screwed themselves out of this one, and nothing Clinton, Obama or the DNC do can change that fact.
Their delegations will of course be seated, but not distributed based on the flawed elections.
Posted by: memoryaid | Mar 20, 2008 4:20:09 PM
Dogsoldier
I agree to some extent that this will cause damage...but I think the damge was done... the turn about with Sen. Clinton from being "okay" with agreeing that the states wouldn't count to suddenly "caring" about it... is what made this a hard situation.
Sen Clinton turned it around to make the voters think this was for them and Obama was against them... when in reality she is screwing with the psyche of the electorate ...if she cared this much...and was so concerned at this being such an injustice...why did she not make a stink when it counted.
That's what we need in the White House ...someone who makes a stink when it counts...not someone who makes a stink when they are losing votes or going down in the polls.
To have another vote got sticky because she did not play it neutral and fair. This could have gotten worked out if she didn't make such a show of her "caring for the voters" and making it look like the other candidates did not.
Posted by: dl | Mar 20, 2008 4:27:03 PM
Obama already showed the Democrate party he is the boss of this election.
Posted by: crisis08 | Mar 20, 2008 4:34:55 PM
Well there is actually something Obama could do, he could agree to a re-vote. He is holding up the re-elections. Too bad he did not afford the people of MI and FL the same consideration he did his minister and not turn his back on them but rather acknowledge that their leaders did a "boneheaded" thing and he will accept that for what it is and will stand by the voters and acknowledge that as individual Americans they have the right to have their votes counted. The DNC and Hillary have both agreed to re-does, the states have also. It was the leaders who made the mistakes, not the citizens whom Obama is vying to represent as POTUS.
Posted by: Jeff | Mar 20, 2008 4:39:44 PM
Hillary has broken absolutely NO rules when it comes to MI and FL. She is appropriately trying to ensure that they have representation so that we don't commit political suicide with these swing states as they are much needed come General Election.
FL and MI have a way of being seated, according to the DNC rules. Folks who say the rules are the rules are absolutely correct, and as such, there is a path that these two states can take to be seated.
To be compliant with party rules:
a. They could hold second nominating contests
b. They can appeal to the DNC's credentials committee
What MI and FL have proposed are NOT breaking any rules. Both sides should recognize that and not disenfranchise the voters of these states since they have made it clear that they do want their votes to count.
Those who are trying to peg Senator Clinton as the "do anything to win" candidate is right to a certain extent...you need to add "...back the White House with a Democratic President" to the end of your statement. That is what is really at stake.
I find it ironic that so many Obama supporters like to spout how he is ahead in the delegate count, states and popular vote. What do you have to worry about then?
Posted by: LOM | Mar 20, 2008 4:45:36 PM
Dogsoldier, Obama has become the inevitable, please get use to it, he will win the White House with the support of Hillary and her supporters, all in all democrats will remain democrats.
Posted by: BKMC | Mar 20, 2008 5:03:32 PM
If the DNC credentials committee in April doesnt make a solid decision that is fair and equitable to the candidates, the voters, and the party, then the courts will decide. That process has already begun with the FL case heard in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals this past Monday. I agree with Dogsoldier this is about freedom and democracy. It is ironic that the RNC is able to show the world how screwed up the DNC is. They are laughing as usual.
The reality is, the party that wins the WH must have a cooperative Congress to bring about the changes the dem voters want. Of the 3 candidates, Clinton has the best chance of cooperation from Congress. On principle, I will not vote for Obama if he gets the nom but I will vote for democrats in Congressional races to keep McCain in check. As an Independent who is anti-Republican, I will continue to push for Clinton now and in 2012 knowing McCain as a moderate will at least agree to some of the dem platform in Congress.
How about the press covering that in more detail?
Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 20, 2008 5:08:16 PM
The DNC are toadies for Obama. Are they ready to lose the November election because they've disenfranchised voters in Florida and Michigan. They may be willing to concede Florida, but voters in other states have taken notice of Obama's unwillingness to resolve the issues related to this problem and the DNC seems unwilling or unable to move a resolution forward. Again, is the DNC willing to have the election slip through our fingers a third time?
Posted by: nobama. | Mar 20, 2008 5:49:07 PM
Deny the voters of FL and MI a chance to re-vote, Way to forge unity and build bridges, Obama !!
Posted by: pleaseanswer | Mar 20, 2008 5:51:09 PM
senator obama's campaign should never agree to a re-vote in michigan so long as senator clinton and her fat-cat donors are willing to fund it. a privately-funded primary is absolutely undemocratic and raises serious doubts about the integrity of the process. i know what senator obama is afraid of- a privately funded primary (something that has never been done). i have a huge amount of respect for senator clinton, but "experience" through the years has taught me to never trust any deal made by the clintons. in addition, since she has not released her tax returns nor the library donors, i would be even more relunctant to support a revote that is paid by her supporters and her donors.
Posted by: angela | Mar 20, 2008 5:51:45 PM
Angela, where did you get the info that MI primary would be privately funded ? Post a link. If you think Obama can win in November after he blocks re-vote in FL, MI, you are sadly mistaken.
Posted by: pleaseanswer | Mar 20, 2008 6:00:10 PM
I'm sure that the DNC is looking at the new polling - specifically, voting blocs within the electorate that show Obama cannot win with only the groups that appear to be sticking with him: liberal democrats and african american voters. The question though is what will they do with the information. Do they want to win in November or placate those liberal and african american voters that represent only a segment of the party. They know they can't win without women and those Reagan democrat males - just the group that is having problems accepting Obama's spectacular lack of judgement.
Posted by: s. valenti | Mar 20, 2008 6:19:25 PM
I love how she's behind and now she's the Voice of Michigan and Florida voters. I wonder where she was at when the party made the stupid decision to penalize them in the 1st place. And she honored to stand by there decision.
I guess she can always use her IRAQ war defense and say she was duped by the party in giving them her Pledge.
Her supporters seem to like that one.
It seems Hillary is easily hoodwinked into doing things she doesn't fully agree with.
I guess that how President Clinton was able to get him a little something something in the other room. While she was dreaming of being president.
Posted by: Black and Proud | Mar 20, 2008 6:42:12 PM
Wow. I bet most of these bloggers are working for their candidate. I will vote for Obama in May in Kentucky. Should he lose to Hillary, I simply will vote for McCain in November. Hillary is simply too corrupt.
Posted by: Kathryn Balbach | Mar 20, 2008 7:04:04 PM
Wow. I bet most of these bloggers are working for their candidate. I will vote for Obama in May in Kentucky. Should he lose to Hillary, I simply will vote for McCain in November. Hillary is simply too corrupt.
Posted by: Kathryn Balbach | Mar 20, 2008 7:04:13 PM
" You know the one thing that's wrong with
this country? Everyone gets a chance to
have their fair say."
Bill Clinton Philadelphia May 28, 1993
" I'm not going to have some reporters
pawing through our papers. We are the
President." Hillary Clinton
Posted by: JB | Mar 20, 2008 7:24:26 PM
It is refreshing to read overwhelming support for doing the right thing; the points that have been raised on this blog about FL and MI are excellent, and the appeal for Obama to come clean and reconsider the "re-vote" dilemma is persuasive. It is important to remember that other successful campaigns that put Democrats in office were run all the way to the convention floor, and the DNC knows that--it goes without saying! But the Obama camp--I swear they are sounding like a broken-record. I think the tide is turning toward a real will of the people, and I believe the DNC is watching closing and considering what's playing out in this race. Obama cannot sustain the fight, especially now that the glaring difference between his rhetoric and his actions has been clearly revealed. Too bad, I suppose. He had Opray, Maria Shiver, Ted, a whole bunch of "celebraties" hooting and hollering early on, too soon to get a real understanding of who he really is.
Posted by: Tortoise | Mar 20, 2008 7:36:06 PM
If Obama doesn't agree to seating the Michigan and Florida delegates then he will lose the General Election should he be the nominee. To deny ordinary American citiziens their democratic right to express their vote in that way
is a complete rejection of all that America stands for in the World. How can a country that denies its own citizens democracy even begin to promote it elsewhere in the World: it can't. It will simply be thrown back in America's face. Like his wife, Obama isn't proud of America. I only hope that all American citizens will stand up and express their firm belief in America being a true democracy and that all its citizens have a right to express their vote.
Posted by: Overland Trail | Mar 20, 2008 7:37:21 PM
If HRC steals this election a Third Party is the way to go. It's apparent that the Republicans arn't that strong and the Democrats don't even like each other.Third Party...Obama should run as third party



