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March 19, 2008 1:39 PM

ABC News' Sarah Amos Reports: It isn't unusual for former President Bill Clinton to run 30 or 45 minutes late to an event.  In such cases, the campaign ordinarily just plays upbeat music or has a couple of energetic local officials come up and tell the crowd why they are supporting Hillary.

However, today's interim act took an interesting turn when Pennsylvania's Lieutenant Governor, Catherine Baker Knoll, took the stage in Bethlehem, PA.

Lt. Governor Knoll began by talking about her relationship with Hillary and Bill Clinton over the years, sharing her experiences to prove why Hillary is the best choice for President.

But it was Knoll's description of Hillary's opponent at the end of her speech that perked ears in the press riser.

"So, we're up against a new young kid, who's a nice young kid. I'm only saying: think it over, tell your friends and your neighbors and your family. There's nothing like experience," Knoll told the crowd.  While not the worst description a surrogate could use for Senator Barack Obama, many might argue that a 46 year old man is anything but a "kid."

Knoll's speech was also unusual because of its heavy focus on policy.  While most surrogates stick to broad talking points about Hillary, Knoll chose to go into heavy specifics.

With today being the anniversary of the war in Iraq, Knoll had strong words about what she called people "celebrating" the anniversary of the war.

"I'm very familiar with this. I have not been to Iraq, but I live in the middle of the National Guard down in Indian Time Gap. I've seen our kids we've lost, because the cemetery is right there. And I've seen our kids down at Walter Reed," Knoll told the crowd, adding, "Most of you aren't aware of
this, because you're not exposed to it. But it's very, very serious, and we have to think this over, because look at all these beautiful young people here today. We don't want to be celebrating like we're celebrating today. Oh, this is the sixth year in Iraq. C'mon! Let's think this over.”

And her initial remarks weren't the last time the crowd would get to hear from Knoll.  After two more local speakers delivered short remarks, it became apparent that the crowd still had quite a bit more time on their hands until President Clinton would arrive.

And so Knoll reappeared, this time to answer questions from the crowd.  One question focused on gun control in America and got Knoll into trouble with many in the crowd.   

"That's a very serious subject, because, you know, I've always been supported by NRA. But I will tell you that I am don't agree with everybody being able to buy as many guns as they want. Because if you go into Philadelphia - I'm sure some of you have been there - you can go into their stores and you can buy five or six guns at once. Did you know that? On the same day. Do you think that's right? I think it should be one gun a month," said Knoll.  While her initial comments had most of the crowd agreeing with her, the last remarks turned off a large portion of the audience, some of who began shouting, "No."

Despite her rocky reception, Knoll continued to stall as long as she could. At one point, the crowd even asked her to sing - a request she politely declined.  Finally, it was clear she was out of ideas, and so she exited the stage, hinting as she left that maybe they should play the music again.

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Well, at least she said "kid" and not "boy," or is "kid" the new Clinton codeword.

Well, both candidates have surrogates that can be embarrassing.

I bet Hillary sees her like an old "aunt" who just says things out of the blue! You know, makes you cringe, but you still love them!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 | Mar 19, 2008 1:54:07 PM

I bet the obama people dont run with this to try an make it political. After Wright the obama camp do not have a leg to stand on.

Posted by: toby | Mar 19, 2008 2:02:51 PM

Um the Clinton's are called come back KIDS all the time.

This is a non issue.

Posted by: s.b. | Mar 19, 2008 2:04:00 PM

The original source of the 'young kid' metahphor was ABC's Cokie Roberts on a This Week with George Stepahanopolous show two weeks ago, when Cokie referred to Obama as this cute young kid. I didn't hear BKMC decrying then. There will be a rush to read rascism into this, as is typical by the OBAMA campaign of divisiveness. I don't know this politician, but my guess is she is in her late 50s or 60s, and she's entitlted.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 2:05:01 PM

By the way I think Obama is a young kid based on his demonstrable experience.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 2:07:24 PM

WestCoastMessager, there is a need to understand that there will be a tomorrow after these elections. Hillary and her supporters are very bad losers, they have to stop dismunsihing people who are better than them. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | Mar 19, 2008 2:10:59 PM

Westie say "she's entitled."

Ya, that's what HRC main qualification has been all along. Fraudian Slip I take it, WCM.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 19, 2008 2:11:57 PM

BKMC:

I will take an ex-President messing around with an intern anyday than a President who sat in a church for 20 years that preaches GD America. Atleast the ex-president did not want to screw the entire nation.

Posted by: Someone | Mar 19, 2008 2:12:00 PM

I think we use the word "kid" in the same silly way we use "guys" even when a female is present. Non issue! Move on!

Posted by: tiffany | Mar 19, 2008 2:13:12 PM

BKMC,
Again you with the faulty assumptions. I haven't seen a vote on the topic of "better" yet, however I can say I've detected that "better" attitude of arrogance from smarmy Obama supporters. I continue to support HILLARY CLINTON who represents us "DOWNSCALE DEMOCRATS".

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 2:13:42 PM

WestCoastMessager, if this is about age and 35 years of experince or more, then let us give the presidency to McCain because he is the oldest candidate. There is good experience and bad experience, the experience you are talking about is a Washington lobbyiests experience, America does not need that kind of experience, if you believe so then the ticket McCain/Hillary will make it. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | Mar 19, 2008 2:14:41 PM

Commander Guy,
I presume you are entitled to make comments about matters military, if you have some background in the realm. Is that not the case?

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 2:15:14 PM

BKMC,
Has nothing to do with age per se, has to do with the maturity that often comes with years on this good earth. I've seen people in their 80s who have not matured beyond childhood when it comes to destroying the planet earth.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 2:18:08 PM

pt,

I'm with you about the mess that needs to be cleaned up. Unfortunately the mess started about 15 years ago. Remember that part of the Clinton "experience" involved pushing NAFTA. The road is strewn with examples of Clinton poor judgment, voting to approve war powers to Bush, clearing the road for war with Iran, etc. I'll take a 46 year old kid with new ideas over more Clinton disasters.

Obama 2008!!!!

Posted by: BooMan | Mar 19, 2008 2:18:47 PM

That's right grandma - he may be a kid, but your representative has screwed our country nine ways to sunday. Step aside and let the true leaders lead.

Posted by: Julie | Mar 19, 2008 2:20:00 PM

Hot Air nails the kid:

Just as with Rezko, Obama tried minimizing his exposure to Wright’s sermons. Only after finding that a losing proposition did he acknowledge that he had listened to Wright’s incendiary speeches against America, but somehow failed to challenge him until other people began hearing the rhetoric for themselves. That followed within days of Obama’s acknowledgment that he had underreported Rezko’s financial contribution to Obama’s campaigns by a factor of five.

That initial reaction shows him as a politician of the usual stripe — one who attempts to spin out of a jam with half-truths and at best a graduated honesty, dependent on how much evidence gets made public. Obama’s claim to conduct himself to a higher standard; indeed, because of his singular lack of experience and accomplishment, it’s the only claim he has for election to the nation’s highest office. If he doesn’t have that, then he has NO basis for election at all.

Even the contradictory attempt to distance himself from Wright’s statements failed to make the case. He argued in the rest of speech that we need to put an end to divisiveness, and that Wright’s rhetoric belongs to the past, not the present or the future. Having said that, what did Obama ever do to make that case at his OWN church? Wright expounds these incendiary and unacceptable themes, as Obama himself admits, to the present and future generations at Trinity UCC. Obama’s own children sit in those pews, as well as a large number of children from other families. Did Obama ever speak out even once to challenge Wright’s views?

If Obama can’t bring Change he says is necessary to his own church, why should we trust him to bring Change to the nation?

Posted by: carl | Mar 19, 2008 2:28:40 PM

My generation had it's best and last hurrah in the 60's. It is time to turn it over to the kids with their fresh brains and creative ideas. We have messed up their world long enough.

Posted by: 0ldgal | Mar 19, 2008 2:29:10 PM

BKMC,
Why do you want to drag the tired old Ken Starr class grievances out of the closet instead of dealing with today's issues? Didn't we already spend millions on Ken Starr, wasted money? If you are a Democrat why are you taking a play out of a Republican playbook, or are you really a Democrat?

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 2:31:07 PM

OLDGAL,
It sounds like you agree that OBAMA is a kid. I'm also detecting that you were probably a misguided BUSH voter as well, now willing to throw all caution to the wind.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 2:33:27 PM


I did not expect those words "kid" to come from the mouth of the Lt. Knoll

Does it cost someone to chose the words to use!! That one you are calling a kid is soon going to be your President. Will you call him " The Kid President" Respect is both ways!

Posted by: Peace | Mar 19, 2008 2:36:35 PM

WestCoastMessager, a true democrate will not qualify another democrat a kid. Democrats have values and standards, they have ethics and moral. Obama has been qualified as Ken Starr by Hillary staff. Today another of her supporter is calling Obama a kid. You do not find that that is going too far and too low. There will never be an other opportunity for Bill to mess-up with interns at the White House, real promise from a real democrate. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | Mar 19, 2008 2:39:31 PM

Compared to McCain wouldn't 98% of all americans be considered kids. Obama is the real deal. Those of you that haven't researched him should do so. You'll find that he is America's best hope. Hillary would do a good job, but I fear that she is too divisive and might lose in the fall. If you haven't read or heard Obama's speech you should because this speech was historic and will be talked about for generations. He wrote the speech himself, something I don't think bush has ever done. Obama 2008!

Posted by: pt | Mar 19, 2008 2:40:58 PM

Obama supporter here...

Non story.

Posted by: Craig | Mar 19, 2008 2:50:46 PM

BKMC,
I didn't insult you, I promoted you to the VP role on a ticket with OBAMA. I'm supporting this ticket, the first kids to be elected President and Vice President. After all, you were the one that said your side was "BETTER". Your sandbox is BETTER than my sandbox and I want to jump on board with your sandbox (Oh, wait is that a bit of cat litter there). I want what is "BETTER" for America. Jeremiah Wright for Secretary of State while we're at it.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 3:06:49 PM

Another older woman who's man bashing. Older women have been used to giving away their power to men ... usually, weak men. And weak men have been used to betraying these powerful 'mother' figures in their lives, usually their wives. What boy wants to sleep with their mother? Women ARE taking back their power now and owning it. But they are angry about giving it away in the first place ... believing they had no other options (perhaps rightly so) at the time. What they fail to realize is that they are angry at themselves for giving away their power in the first place. They express this anger by trying to diminish men. These are the 'feminists' who are voting for Hillary. These older women have yet to deal with their anger at themselves and believe that the power they seek to restore is somehow outside of themselves (the White House) rather than being an innate power they can only realize from within. To do that they must first face themselves and stop projecting their anger onto men. Signed Been there, Done That

Posted by: AC | Mar 19, 2008 3:06:53 PM

BKMC,
If you don't count me then don't count on me. OBAMA does not have an inherent RIGHT to one single vote from Florida or Michigan in the fall election. It will be his privilege if he gets votes. This isn't a basketball match decided by a referee. People through all of history have been willing to sacrifice their own blood to make sure their vote is counted. Where is the reference to that in any rulebook?

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 3:20:13 PM

WestCoastMessager, people has died for fairness for justice and for equality. Nobody will say that Obama or Hillary have inherent rights to anything. That is not the question. The important point is to act by the rule of law and that is fundamental in everything we are doing. The right to vote is not above the right to justice.

Posted by: BKMC | Mar 19, 2008 3:25:42 PM

BKMC,
That is where we diverge, the right to vote, and to have your vote counted, in this nation of laws, is at the CORE of JUSTICE. You would have it any differently?

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 19, 2008 3:35:04 PM

Once again another Hillary surrogate proves that most of her supporters are menopausal post feminists with chips on their shoulders about a big as the one on Wright because the ERA amendment failed so many years ago. Again and again they try to pain Obama as a "Kid", "a Boy," or inexperienced when their own Saint Hillary the Entitled is no more qualified then he is to be president. It's the Forrest Gump argument, well she was there at historical events so she must have been involved. For all the feminist rhetoric about Hillary it boils down to the fact she's been riding her husbands coat tails for years. She got into the senate against a laughable opponent and has done nothing but sit and wait for her moment of inevitability. When it didn't happen as she planed suddenly she'll re write ever rule to try to get herself the nomination. If Obama was 100+ delegates down and he tried to change the rules people like WestCoast would be arguing the other direction. SHE IS LOSING. GET OVER IT.

Posted by: QuestinoEvil | Mar 19, 2008 3:38:49 PM

QuestinoEvi-So then I take it YOU want to give the republicans FL and MI even before the general begins? Whose side are you on anyway? Furthermore, do older ladies votes count?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 19, 2008 3:42:54 PM

how does this give them Florida? I am from Florida. I voted, and frankly everything about this revote is a bunch of sour grapes. The Repulbican legislature put us in this mess, and Howard Dean made it worse by not doing something about this before now. If the tables were reverse and Hillary was way up in delegates and Obama's only way of catching her was to try to bring in results of two contests that he won in a slanted and unbalanced way some how I doubt you or any other Clintonistas would be clamoring for the us poor and disenfranchised people in Florida. What about all the poor an disenfranchised people in all these other late voting states, its only by miraculous events that their votes even count. Remember the campaign according to the Hillary camp was supposed to be over on super Tuesday. If she had sealed the deal on that day would you be sitting here feeing the people of Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania didn't get their fair chance to vote because the primary ended too quickly? Would that be any less democratic. You can't change the rules in the middle of a contest just because your candidate is losing, that's the GW Bush way, that's how he stole Florida in 2000.

Posted by: QuestinoEvil | Mar 19, 2008 3:50:03 PM

"kid" At 46 he is called a kid. After 20 years of civil service and elected office, he is a '"kid" If HRC is so sure that her additional 4 years in the senate has so prepared her to be President, and that experience is the end all be all, then why does she not throw her support behind Senator McCain, who clearly has more experience? She has no quality record of judgement, this is why she does not want to have this argument.

Posted by: Louis | Mar 19, 2008 3:58:11 PM

in all fairness the Lt. Governor of Pennsylvania is 77 years old. so anyone that doesn't qualify for Medicare is probably a kid by her standards.

Posted by: AJ | Mar 19, 2008 4:06:09 PM

The Commander Guy-Louis-You guys are good republicans. I give you both that much. TCG I believe you were with Huckabee if I'm not mistaken. Louis, I take it you're saying a vote for Obama is a vote for Reverend Wright? Correct?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | Mar 19, 2008 4:06:17 PM

So Dogsoldier. By your math anyone who doesn't believe that Hillary Clinton should be our next president is a closet republican? This kind of divisive slash and burn crap being put out by Hillary's people now that she is not the anointed one is not only insulting but it is dangerous. It wreaks of the crap you'd expect from Fox Noise or the other members in good standing in the right wing conspiracy. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for a John McCain white house. After watching her when her back is against the wall I'm wondering exactly what her appeal is. She is schizophrenic, if shes not the angry Hillary, she is the Hillary with a tear in her eye, or the experienced fighter, the concerned mother figure, the aloof angry feminist, or the cold calculating robot. Her message is "I'm so unpredictable and all over the place no one knows what Hillary they'll get from day to day." She will say anything and do anything to win the nomination and the Republicans can wait because they have 20 years of material on her waiting to go. She is like a ray of sunshine to them, the one thing that really inspires them to come out and vote and she would rather destroy Obama so she can run again in 4 more years then elect another democrat to the white house. That doesn't speak to well of her character.

Posted by: QuestinoEvil | Mar 19, 2008 4:31:48 PM

President Bush said today that because we invaded Irak, our country is better off and the world is safer. No regrets, Man, he says.

Wonder if HRC agrees.

Dog. I started a blog if you wanna check up on me.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 19, 2008 4:34:13 PM

According to Obama lastnight on Night Line interview he said: "Condemn the words, don't condemn the man".

I condemned Imus for his words last time but I would like to ask Obama where is your justice since you asked Imus to resign?

From now on,,,Obama ,anything people say or your opponents say " Don't condemn the man just condemn the words" will you?

Posted by: crisis08 | Mar 19, 2008 4:41:58 PM

He said he will heal the WOUND, NO,,NO,,,NO,,, he just opened the wound became bigger.

Yes, Cookie Roberts said it,,as much as his supporters also. That's why he is coming to Portland,OR this friday and some cities which lots of college students.
He expects he can rally those college students.

Posted by: crisis08 | Mar 19, 2008 4:49:18 PM

crisis08, you are comparing a semon to a radio talk show vilifying a team of young women basket ball players. No let us not mix apples and oranges. Hillary will be mean because she wants to win, but it is impossible for her to win, she has to live with that. She just has to remeber that there is a tomorrow after the elections and she will need to work with Barak to get the democrats behind him to beat McCain as a drum. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | Mar 19, 2008 6:01:51 PM

Well, now we know how to get to WCM -- just mention Ken Starr and he gets all queasy like!!!! Hmmm...

Interesting that Hilns has been given a free pass from both the MSM and the Obama campaign so far on those issues.

Interesting how we should give that "old stuff" a rest, but you keep harping on "20 years" regarding the Wright nonsense, when it's clear that you are exaggerating both the intensity and number of those.

Ken Starr, Ken Starr!!!!!!! Whitewater!! Rose Law Firm!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 | Mar 19, 2008 7:35:31 PM

Why all this surprise about the state of race in America today? As an outsider watching the presidential campaign, the hypocrisy by many is just breathtaking. Too many are hiding behind hysteria because they are afraid to look at the facts in the face, and most of all because they are afraid to face what those facts will reveal about their own character; about who they are as human beings; about how much of their ideological security blankets they will have to chuck and how much outside of their comfort zones they will have to step in order to face the truth, accept it and then develop new attitudes. All this hysteria about race a test for Barrack Obama? Yes. But as usual America is missing the most important point of all of this, which is that this is in fact a true test of America’s maturity from all aspects. Is America in these opening years of the 21st century – a country that loves to sing its own praises about its democracy and super power status; a country that is forever pointing its finger at everyone else and preaching about morals and ethics, honesty and freedom and justice, whilst constantly ignoring the mess in its own backyard – is the United States of America now mature enough to take a good long look at itself and acknowledge that there is an urgent need for America to start forging a new and truly united society if it ever hopes to go on having any relevance and standing in the world in the 21st century? America has lost the credibility, respect and the admiration of the world today because she continues to ignore the past, pretends about the present and doesn't really give a damn about the world's future. It is America that is being challenged to grow up and forge a new UNITED society. It is America that is being challenged to shut up and clean the mess in its own backyard first and thus set a true democratic example for others to follow. A test for Barrack Obama? Yes, and he has been tested indeed and it says much to the character of the man that despite all the extreme rhetoric of his pastor over the years, Barrack Obama has not come through that test bitter and twisted. Instead he has come through with a strengthened resolve and determination and a vision powered by hope to use his God given gifts to contribute to building a new UNITED society in America. The real question is, is America ready to take up the challenge? Is America mature enough to take up the challenge? If it is, there is a Warrior by the name of Obama ready to lead the charge.

Posted by: sarasoon | Mar 20, 2008 1:03:06 PM

I think Knoll's remarks were apt. Obama is like a little kid with a scab on his knee. Everyone tells him to leave it alone - new, stronger skin is forming, it's almost healed. But like most kids, he just can't let it be - he doesn't believe the grown ups or even other kids who have been through this before. What does he know, he's a kid, with the judgement of a kid. So, he picks at it and picks at it. What does he find? Sure enough, the wound has opeened again. He's actually set back the healing that had already taken place. Healing, all without any effort from him.

Posted by: s. valenti | Mar 20, 2008 6:26:43 PM

I think Knoll's remarks were apt. Obama is like a little kid with a scab on his knee. Everyone tells him to leave it alone - new, stronger skin is forming, it's almost healed. But like most kids, he just can't let it be - he doesn't believe the grown ups or even other kids who have been through this before. What does he know, he's a kid, with the judgement of a kid. So, he picks at it and picks at it. What does he find? Sure enough, the wound has opeened again. He's actually set back the healing that had already taken place. Healing, all without any effort from him.

Posted by: s. valenti | Mar 20, 2008 6:26:51 PM

Oldgal: I am much older than you and our generation was the greatest. There was nothing like the 30's, 40's & 50's. We had good presidents, and there was no talk about race. This all came to ahead because of Obama. He got the black people started on race issues so that they would not vote for a white candidate. Obama is cunning and tricky and he learned a lot from Rezko and Ayers. We don't need this mess in the white house.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Mar 20, 2008 6:58:23 PM

I can call Hillary old woman?

Does that work for the Lt. Gov.?

Fair is fair.

Posted by: JB | Mar 20, 2008 7:40:31 PM

I know that many white people call the lower income people, or lower job workers boy, kid, girl, etc. So, calling Obama kid is not a positive way to address him. She dimissed him as someone not important in the English language.

Posted by: ha | Mar 20, 2008 8:04:28 PM

You guys are kidding me right? It seems to me, that the only person who EVER brings up the race card is Obama. I don't see anyone calling him "that black kid", and yet - he constantly talks about race. HE is the one making this racial. This crap with Wright only proves that he thought that running a campaign that constantly defends itself by calling everyone RACIST would get the sympathy vote. And the fools that most Americans are - he's got you all brain washed. Country is going downhill, good luck voting for your "man". Lets see how well he does once he's in the big house... oh wait I meant white house, to be followed by the big house. This man is evil. I don't care what you say. If he gets the nomination, for the first time in 36 years, I've voting republican, Senile beats total hypocrite.

Posted by: Lasher | Mar 20, 2008 9:05:50 PM

Hillary will not win because she is too far behind, but it sure hasn't slowed down the underhanded tactics of her campaign. Even if by some twist of fate she wins the nomination, the contempt that she has bred in her own party guarantees her loss in the GE.

Posted by: Bussta Brown | Mar 20, 2008 10:02:26 PM

i am on behalf of Obama. Knolls said wha she felt. She is trying to undermind people so Obama will not ge the votes he deserves. I hope Pennsalyvania will think of positive things. I hope they will not let the media talk them out of the person who they want to choose for president. I want everyon to vote for their choice. My choice is Obama. People lets not look at race lets think who will be the best canidsate fo the job.Lets not look back into the sixties

Posted by: Wanda | Mar 21, 2008 4:23:05 AM

Let the Clintons self distruct....
America sees what they are doing.
No more BUSH/CLINTON in the white house.
Obama baby ur our hero....

It is a disgrace that the clintons think
Americans are that stupid..
Enough already bow out hilary...
a white guy in Pennsylvania who supports
Obama all the way

Posted by: JIM IN PENNSYLVANIA | Mar 21, 2008 5:28:56 AM

Wow Jim - you had to make sure you threw RACE into the picture eh? LOL This is why Obama would be horrible for our nation. Clearly the "white" voters think this is an episode of the first season of "24". Well baby - there is no Jack Bueur that is going to come to this guys rescue.

Vote Obama! Say GOODBYE America.

Obama is as much a liar as anyone else who is in politics. I'd rather go with the known evil than the evil that is hiding behind this ass's mask.

Good Luck America - You will need it.

Posted by: Lasher | Mar 21, 2008 6:45:41 AM

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