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Clinton Wins, Obama's Still Ahead; What's Next?
March 05, 2008 9:44 AM
ABC News' David Chalian Reports: This is where math and momentum meet.
On the heels of three victories in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., turned back a surging Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., who came into Tuesday with 11 straight victories and picked up another win in Vermont.
So, what's next?
1. If Clinton and Obama basically tie in the remaining 12 contests, Obama would need 164 superdelegates to come his way to put him over the magic number of 2,024
2. Assuming no currently committed superdelegates switched and no uncommitted superdelegates jumped off the fence. . .
Clinton would need to win 59% of the delegates in the remaining 12 contests in order to overtake Sen. Obama's delegate lede.
If the upcoming 611 delegates at stake split 59/41 for Clinton -- 360 would go to Clinton and 251 would go to Obama -- netting Sen. Clinton 109 delegates. . . which would be enough to overcome Obama's current 106 delegate lead.
3. There are 611 delegates up for grabs in the remaining 12 contests.
ABC News' current delegate estimate has Obama at 1,556.
That means he would need to win 77% of all the remaining pledged delegates to hit the magic number of 2,024 to secure the nomination. That is highly unlikely due to the proportional delegate allocation rules in the Democratic Party.
Clinton would need to win 94% of all the remaining pledged delegates to hit the magic number of 2,024. (ABC News currently has her at 1449.)
So, clearly they both are going to be relying on superdelegates to secure the nomination.
Stay tuned...
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March 5, 2008 in Bush, George W., Kucinich, Dennis, Tancredo, Tom | Permalink | User Comments (231)
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Hillary cannot win the general. Her negatives are too high. While McCain is a complete stiff, republicans will turn out in mass to vote against Hillary.
The general is a walk in the park for Obama. I don't think the Super Delegates will allow this to go to the convention. Since Hillary cannot take a lead in pledged deligates, Obama will end up with the nomination and also end up as the US president.
Posted by: Juanita Broderick | Mar 5, 2008 10:37:22 AM
The people have spoken.
Now, Lawyers and Superdelegates will make the real decision.
Posted by: carl | Mar 5, 2008 10:37:29 AM
If Hillary wins I'm leaving the Country!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Joe | Mar 5, 2008 10:38:22 AM
For anyone interested in seeing how the "electability" picture looks between Obama and Clinton, I have been keeping track of which states I predict will be swing states (less than 5% difference in 2004 and/or less than 30% Bush approval rating). I also include the Red and Blue states in my counting based on voter turnout. I am not including McCain numbers since I knew he would get their nom. Here is what the numbers look like so far:
For states that have held primaries/caucuses for both parties so far:
Red States in 2004 with higher Dem turnouts account for 78 electors. 52 Clinton, 26 Obama
Blue States in 2004 with higher Dem turnouts account for 142 electors. 102 Clinton, 40 Obama
Blue Battleground States in 2004 with Higher Dem turnouts account for 74 electors. 36 Clinton, 38 Obama
Red Battleground States in 2004 with Higher Dem turnouts account for 102 electors. 62 Clinton, 40 Obama
Electoral totals so far: 252 Clinton, 144 Obama
Clinton definitely appears more electable considering the fact only 270 electors are needed to win in November and there are only 10 states left in the primary contest. She is onto something here... if she can pull out a win and unify the party with the right ticket... I think she will beat McCain.
Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 5, 2008 10:40:25 AM
Hillary will never give up,she ia a b---- I for one again will not vote Dem if she is even on this ticket along with many others who are registered Inp....
Posted by: honest | Mar 5, 2008 10:40:30 AM
Big Mac - The DNC has dropped the number to 2024 due to various moves (death of Lantos, Curtis move to FL).
Betty - Obama stills holds the best cards, don't give up on him, yet. Keep watching and vote your hopes not your fears. The easiest way to swing Evangelicals, Neo-Cons and Indys to McCain is to put the name Clinton on the Dem ticket. And that hurts down-ticket races as well. Plus a McCain victory could swing Lieberman to caucus with the Repubs. That's a lot losses all around.
Posted by: Kevin | Mar 5, 2008 10:42:44 AM
....If there was a real measure of sanity and its qualification was raized by about 20% McCain would end up in a mental asylum. The same is true for his supportets no matter how harsh this sounds. Anybody who cannot see through the reality of this frivolous, unjust , unresonable war that had nothing whatsoever to do with our security except in a negative way ( It has made the issue worse) cannot in truth be sane ,let alone be worthy of holding the highest office of the most powerful country in the world.
Posted by: waris | Mar 5, 2008 10:46:45 AM
With any luck at all, this will wind up fracturing the Democratic party. The Party has been unstable for years....rich liberals providing the money while poor blacks provided the votes. These weren't inherently compatible constituencies. But it got by, with the blacks being tossed the occasional political bone (in fact, the GOP has put more blacks in true positions of power) a fair amount of race-baiting and class-baiting rhetoric, and some welfare bucks. The blacks got these crumbs, the white liberals got 90% of the black vote, while doing nothing to deserve it.
But it's put up or shut up time. The Clintons are quite willing to go for the jugular...even if it totally alienates the blacks from the Democratic Party. The Clintons may believe it will be possible to disrespect Obama...go negative like they have, and still have the black people vote in lockstep with the party in the Fall, but they are wrong.
This could be the death of the Democratic Party as a national majority.
Posted by: George Hanshaw | Mar 5, 2008 10:46:54 AM
HILLARY SURE KNOCKED THE WIND OUT OF
OBAMAS SAIL'S LAST NIGHT,
Posted by: dee | Mar 5, 2008 10:48:19 AM
Betty, I support Obama, and your theory is intersting, yet I would ask you to look to the trend of the entire 20th Century before I would even hazard saying the Dems will hold the White House for 16 years.
And there is a reason for that.
A good reason.
Posted by: JOhnD | Mar 5, 2008 10:49:26 AM
The fact of the matter is Obama after his 11 wins was supposed to close the deal that was the perception his camp was putting out, they were even calling for her to drop out to stop the bleeding with what was to come.
He failed, she came back if she had only won one state or none the news this morning would of been for here to leave and save the party. Now the spin is he has more delegates not that he cant close her out.
He is the front running just like MaCain was McCain closed out Huckabee that was what he was supposed to do, when is Obama going to close out Hillary??
Posted by: SJ | Mar 5, 2008 10:50:33 AM
Let's do this for the party? All you hear from the Democrats is party, party, party. It is now clear that the "party" is more important than all else. How about doing something for this nation, and the taxpayers that are already over taxed?
For quite sometime, I was simply going to stay home in November. However, I have heard enough, I will vote McCain in November!
Posted by: rck | Mar 5, 2008 10:51:36 AM
Its all fun and games for the media and republicans, until the day before the Convention and Obama wakes up in his hotel room in Denver with a horse's head in his bed!!
Posted by: Ryan | Mar 5, 2008 10:51:58 AM
Two Words: Tax Returns
Posted by: M&M | Mar 5, 2008 10:53:21 AM
Crossover Rep vote for Hillary In Ohio really helped the trade backstabbers who essentially buried the party and our businesses in the 90's. Turn about fair play. Go Hillary win this one for the ultimate pay back..cheat lie steal any way you can...just bring it home for us and help us destroy the Dem party forever We love you and your tears
Posted by: Logger in OH | Mar 5, 2008 10:54:07 AM
Ha ha ha....The massive Republican swing in Ohio to cross over and vote for Clinton, just to throw a massive monkey wrench into the Dem eleciton machine worked to PERFECTION!!!
It's going to be hilarious to now watch Hillary prove herself unelectable with the dirt that she is going to throw at Obama for the next three months, and, if anything sticks, really put doubt into the massive Obama flock, which will render him unelectable.
I'm a registered Republican, and hundreds of thousands of us here in Ohio crossed over, and voted for Hillary. Her "victory" in Ohio is not a true victory, just us Republicans doing our best to throw a wrench into the Dem system, to perfection, I might add.
This gave Hillary the impetus to do the rest of her dirty work, she'll lie, cheat, and steal to go against the agreed upon rules for Mich and Fla, she admitted as much this morning on NBC...
I've got my popcorn, and can't wait to watch.
It's really a shame that Hillary is the way that she is, because a unified Dem ticket behind Obama, right now, would trounce McCain in November...the Dem leaders know this, as do us Republicans, which is why we did waht we did...
Ha!!!
Posted by: Dan | Mar 5, 2008 10:55:39 AM
Then there's McCain. Experience? 26 consecutive years in congress to Clinton's eight. National security? Who do you think all those who were frightened by the "red phone" ad are going to vote for, a former first lady or a Vietnam War veteran who spent five and a half years as a prisoner of war?
Ohio is a bellwether state in choosing a president? Guess who else won the Ohio Primary.
Posted by: Don | Mar 5, 2008 10:55:54 AM
Hillary alluded to a combine ticket on some morning show today but Obama has already dismissed that idea saying its too early for that, so guess he is not interested and wants to fight on for whatever its worth.
Posted by: SJ | Mar 5, 2008 10:57:10 AM
DC Voter - Convoluted thinking. Winning a primary is not the same as winning the General (Electoral). At the moment, the Democratic electorate is energized with an historical choice. If that electorate feels cheated or let down, the numbers may not be there. Clinton will certainly mobilize the "anti" vote of the Evangelicals and Neo-Cons who are staying home now. That vote alone should be able to throw many of your calculations into turmoil. Also, does the term "Reagan Democrats" ring a bell?
Posted by: Kevin | Mar 5, 2008 10:57:23 AM
BYE BYE Obama.... You are kaput... Outspending HIllary doesn't work, uh?? Too bad for you!
Posted by: DMK | Mar 5, 2008 10:57:29 AM
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