Caucuses are not representive of the will of the voters. WA state and TX are both proof of that. Reasons relate to the limited time and the lack of secret balloting.

Obama's voting support of students and well to do liberal lattes give him an advantage there because they can afford to take the time to caucus. Working people usually cannot caucus (the majority). Non-working people like housewives and the retired folks are often subject to peer pressure the same as college students are.

All things considered, caucuses not only do not represent the will of the majority but the Obama camp obviously uses this knowledge to their advantage and wants the caucuses to be the "re-vote" for that reason.

Caucuses are by nature not a democratic process and it amazes me they are even allowed by the Democratic party. However, the SD vote is supposed to offset the unfair aspect but of course the Obama camp does not want that to happen... yet he calls himself a democrat. LOL

Don, the folks from Fl and ML know who kept their delegates out to this point and it's the Obama people. And if you all want to have primarys now than expect Hillary to win by larger amount.

I agree completely with Don - my parents live in Florida and didn't vote because they knew it wouldn't count. They believe in RULES. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. MI & FL should not be given special treatment and if the voters are going to be MAD at someone, they need to be angry with their legislators, not the democratic party. I'm sorry for those in Florida, especially my parents who deserve to have their vote counted, however, the residents of Florida should have been protesting this LONG before it became obvious their delegate votes might make a difference. Hindsight is 20/20 they say....

RLE, how can you be so ill informed? The Republican for instance were 9% of the Texas vote with the majority breaking for Obama! That's right, Obama!

Oh shades of the hanging chads. Get over it and let this circus run its course. Why have the taxpayers foot another 18 million bill over something as stupid as this. It is a total waste of the taxpayers money. We could use that 18 milion to help chileren who are hungry and older folks with medications etc.

Dogsoldier, it isn't the "Obama people". So easy to sling blame. The decision to not have the delegates count was made when FLORIDA decided to move the date to an unqualified time.

Bryan, you are slightly wrong so I will correct since you said to. LOL

The republican controlled legislature in FL with the agreement of the Florida Democrat Committee agreed to change the primary date even after the DNC said no. So the state committee was either duped or stupid but they could not do it without the legislature so that is where I lay the blame. The same is true for MI.

Of course the republicans in control of those state legislatures are refusing to fund new primaries to benefit democratic voters.

I think if there are new vote events, they should be primaries because that is how those states vote. You cannot expect to re-educate voters in such a short timeframe. The result would be less valid than the primaries already held. Perhaps some independent monies will surface on behalf of what is best for America.

I am still betting new primaries in both states will give Clinton more delegates than if they use the current results.

Hiya llulu... Clinton raised 3 mill yesterday in one day of online contributions. The MO has definitely shifted. The Reps historically outraise and outspend Dems in every race yet Dems still get elected because the majority of voters are not rich. So I dont think this hype about his 55 mill in Feb means squat... especially when we are talking about democrats left to vote being working class majorities that he tends to not do well with.

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I was just expressing concern for the voters of Florida. Things seem to go badly for them and so often. These people have the worst luck. The caucus would be a good deal for them.

With a caucus all they need to do is show up. No dern hanging chads, no confounding butterfly ballots, no baffling touch screens, no disappearing electronic votes - none of that confusing stuff. Just show up for a head count and then wander off toward home. QED. I mean come on, democracy is important, dood, and Florida screws up so much that Castro, himself, has offered to send assistance north.

And the caucus would save the taxpayer money that could be used on taxcuts and other import things.

Papasangel59 you want to disenfranchise the voters of FL and ML? There will be no caucuses in the general for you to run up the score and now you want to give the republicans a two to nothing head start in those two states in the general. Boy, I'd be interested in your version of how Obama will win White House now.

Jen see DCVoter answer above. Just a question Jen what would your position be had Obama won?

Pardon me Jen I forgot to say it was nice to meet you.

To Derek-Any comment on Obama`s refusal to abide by the rule that the superdelegates can vote for whomever they choose?

The mail in ballot to all those already registered as democrats by Jan 29th is the best option. They should split the difference at 3 million each it seems reasonable.

Yea well we all know that obama only likes rules that favour him.

For all those who say that FL and MI should count I ask you this. Do you think Hillary is concerned with votes counting are just votes that favor her counting? Had Obama won these states would she still want them to count are would she argue that they shouldn't count? If she is worried about them being seated then divide the delegates evenly and that way those states still get their say at the convention. But honestly the only fair assessment is either a do over are they don't count. That way neither candidate is punished. Without campaiging Obama would not have won any of the states he has won so it is not fair to say she would have won these states had they campaigned. She won based on name not issues. So again are her motives in the best interest of voters are herself?

"There's no way of knowing how many voters didn't go to the polls because they knew their votes wouldn't be counted." That is their own fault for not showing up to vote; they should be held accountable for their non-action. People fight for the right to vote and they casually decide to not vote. The Florida Dems had no say in the primary date as the date is set by the Republican controlled Florida legislature. Why punish FL Dems for what FL Republicans set for the primary date? I'll be happy to vote McCain along with the other FL Dems to stand up to the DNC. No more bullying by the DNC and Obama supporters.

Comrade Dogsoldier: DNC rules keep FL and MI out, not Obama. As you may recall, Clinton stayed on the MI ballot, saying "oh, it's not going to matter anyhow". And now she wants MI to count, even though she was the only one on the ballot. Even you must agree this is absurd.

If not, please, comrade, tell me all about this new Soviet system for the proletariat to express its will...

Voters in Ohio were mislead by claims that the Obama Campaign had contacted the Canadian government about NAFTA. Now it turns out it was the Clinton Camapign.

There should be a do-over of the Ohio election. This whole thing is bringing back memories of the eight years of Clinton Sleaze.

Florida and Michigan MUST be given an opportunity to be heard and counted or this election will be meaningless. THE DNC WILL RECONSIDER or ELSE Lose Democrats to the other side! This al seems pretty contrived to me, who master minded this (Slick Willey?) There is still time to make the corrections. DEAN: You play games with this election and you WILL see BUSH III (McCain) in the White House. You’re going to alienate a lot of good Democrats! Stop screwing around!

Rules are rules folks. MI and FL do not count, no matter what Clinton says. She evidently will stop at nothing to steal this nomination.

The case for HRC to get nothing from the MI vote is cut and dried. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool or a scoundrel.

It would also be unfair to count FL: nobody can possibly disagree that Obama always does better in states where he has a chance to campaign. Texas - he was down 20 points, and 2 weeks later pulled even. Ohio, down 20, pulled nearly even before HRC's negative barrage.

Is the FL situation unfair because the republicans moved the primary? Yes, but both campaigns agreed not to contest it. Hillary had a head start, since she was the establishment-anointed candidate, so it's unfair to assume she earned the win.