Please help me understand why Michigan scheduled the early primary, and in the case of Florida, why the Floridians must lose their delegates because of the vote from their Republican legislature/governor that moved up both party primaries.

Good they knew well in advance if they held these the votes would NOT count.You can't have it both ways,So all I can say is HILLBILLY suffer.

Easy take it to the floor of the convention.

Obama is bluffing. Telling his delegates to vote against seating Michigan and FLorida is political suicide.

He blocked redo primaires, now take it to the floor Hill!!!!

Donna-Does the name Dean ring a bell? The fact is the DNC under Dean is a third world effort that only Syria can do worse. Now the DNC is hopelessly paralyzed with fear of offending Obama. Al Sharpton has threatened to march if the DNC enter into a redo and Obama is cheering Sharpton on. Jessie Jackson has indicated the same. And if the super delegates decide for Hillary Sharpton threatened riots in the streets. Nice friends Obama has. But it works.

Obama is just playing poker hoping to convince people that Hillary cant win. he has lsot this be tseveral times and will lose it again judgeing by recent polls in WV, PENN et all.

Stop trying for a redo Hillary. You don't need one. YOu won these states already.

Take it to the floor. Let democrats face the music. They will seat MI and FL delegations. 100% guarenteed.

No more discussion. He blocked the redo's. You gave him the chance. now take it to the floor.

MAIL IN VOTING IN LARGE SCALE, IN A STATE LAGGING BETWEEN OTHER THE EXPERIENCE HOW TO VERIFY THE SIGNATURES,
IS AN OPEN INVITATION FOR F R A U D !

There appears there is only one fair solution: OPEN CAUCUSES.

This would benefit Hillary, as vacation-absent student will not be able to vote,
but is disliked by her campaign because
allegedly many do not assist because of
the amount of time each voter must invest there ! (of course, it is difficult to see why this should affectany candidate in particular)

But if, as Hillary says, voters in Michigan are so adamant to make their voices heard, ABOVE EXCUSE IS NOT VALID !

The ALTERNATIVE: Michigan will have no delegates, which coincudentally, is the only really correct solution !!!
Caminito

Michigan Do-Over Primary 'Dead'

equals, for those who fail or do not want to notice:

Clinton Bid For The White House 'Dead'

So thanks for trying and take care.

Howard Dean should be run out of convention on a rail.

That or thrown under a bus while everyone cheers.

That man is the most incompetent president of the DNC ever.

Kick his sorry behind out the door after the MI and FL delegations are seated.

He is a nightmare that should be nowhere near a general election.

Tom-I'm a Clinton supporter and I think that's a dumb idea.

S.B. I agree with you. Hillary just get on with PA and the rest of the states. Then take it to the floor and let it all hang out.

If we need you we will call you Bye Bye!

Actually I think this benefits CLinton and that Obama has just handed her the nomination.

He might have won MI. Now he never will. She didn't just win MI and FL she won big. He could have changed that narrative. Now he can't.

MI and Fl will be seated as is, with 40% uncommitted delegates ripe for poaching instead of many of them being Obama delegates.

Hillary gets to say she won all the big states, can use the arguements that superdelegates should vote for her because FL and MI havent been counted. Obama gets no votes in the MI primary to count towards the popular vote, and he has to argue against seating 8% of the democratic electorate at convention.

I think Obama blocking these two primaries just gave Hillary Clinton the nomination on the convention floor.

Tom-Never, ever, caucuses! Never! There are no caucuses in the general and none needed now. Never! Get rid of those caucuses, period. One man one vote. That's the American way. No mail in votes either. Hillary, do your thing and take it to the floor. If the democrats spit so be it! I'm on board for the ride. Hillary all the way. If necessary we write your name in, period!

Obama didn't block the redo primaries, the two states did. Howard Dean offered the states a chance to do a re-vote, which was generous considering they broke the rule laid down by the DNC. The Clinton campaign agreed to those rules, but now that she hasn’t sown up the nomination, she wants to change those rules. Typical Clinton politics.

No caucus. No mail in. Obama has blocked real primaries. It's over.

Take it to the floor Hill!

Call his bluff.

Obama blocked redo primaries in both states.

He is welcome to explain himself and his position to the Democratic National Convention.

Take it to the floor Hill!

Democratic win in the gen.- also "dead"

Because if Obama wins this nomination we all are going to suffer. When you are paying 7 dollars a gallon for gas in 4 years dont expect me to pity you.

If you dont vote for Hillary now after knowing who Obamas FAMILY is - McCain will win and we all will lose.

Yeah, take it to the floor. And after a sleazy Clinton bid to steal the nomination, hello president McCain.

Hillary Clinton is like a Vampire that won't die. Please go away. The Democratic Party knows that Sen Obama is the future of the party. Race is only an issue to the extent that the Clinton's want to use it as a wedge issue. Do not let them do this. Sen obama is sincere in his efforts to have this issue discussed intelligently by the American public.

How did Obama block the Primaries? he did not move them up, he did not set the rules that said they did not count, he did not hold up wither process to set up re-votes. Neither state wanted to pay for a new process. In Michigan, it did not even get through the legislature to be considered. HRC herself said that shouldn't count and would not matter, of course she said that before he was down in delegates. Those states scrwed themselves. If they wanted to change the order for primaries, they had 4 years to address the issue with the DNC. They knew what would happen and did it anyway.

Remember Sen Clinton's side didn't want an open revote and that was the big issue...

Superdelegates aren't as ignorant as the general public about why this revote didn't happen ...it was not all about Sen obama...his constituents in the Michigan senate argued that everyone who was disenfranchised the first time around needed to get to vote the second time around...

Sen. Clinton said no. ..and fought to get her way to the front of the pack...that just the people they wanted voting would vote again and not to worry about all the people who voted in a different direction or who were out of state and/or are still out of state or aren't there now.

The superdelegates aren't dumb and if you look at the papers in the state ...they aren't either.

You know it doesn't look very sincere when someone comes in to the state with gobs of their backers carrying all the cash to redo the election...

That looks bad.

So ...no ...the supers aren't going to bite on Obama ruined this...

They know if anyone is to blame it is the person who didn't care about the votes not counting originally and then cared when it mattered to her. The supers want a candidate that stands up when it counts...with the voting and other issues.

It's the party's fault. If they wanted to break the rules and become irrelivant and disenfranchise the will of the voters, they shouldn't of gone against the rules. However, don't fret yet, I'm sure Hilliary's pals at the DNC will find a way to give her what she wants anyway. Since when have rules ever stood in the way of the Democrat party, or the Clintons???

Um steal what?? Clinton supports a redo Primary in both states. how is that stealing anything??

Obama has been given his chance. He rejected it. Now it is up to the delegates at convention.

Obama can argue his case to not seat the delegates,which will end his political career, or the delegates will be seated.

He is trying to get to cenventionwith enough of a delegate spread so that it wont matter. Unfortunately for him that doesnt look like its going to happen.

But it is the hand he is playing. He is bluffing.

Call his bluff Hillary!

Take it to the floor!

I can handle a President McCain but I cannot a President Obama and I expect you Obama lot feel the same of Clinton. Take it to the floor Hillary!

No one in ANY state is allowed to vote twice. It's against the law and is fraud. I believe it is a felony crime.

Obama asking to let people vote twice and have their votes count in both the democratic and republican primaries is asking for people to be able to commit a felony, voting fraud.

Not surprising given his campaigns documented caucus behaviour, but not something the DNC could ever sanction legally.

Take it to the floor Hill!

Unfortunately for Obama, the Republicans nominated McCain, the least offensive of the Repubs and one who does not frighten Democrats like Romney or Huckabee would have. Therefore Democratic voters like me, who have never voted Republican in our lives, will very seriously consider voting for McCain after Obama's trashing of both America and the right of 2 states to vote. I dislike McCain far less than I do Obama.

DavidE-Wright David Clinton played the race card? Who gave the race speech and then threw HIS grandmother under the bus? How many times can Obama run over his grandmother in a week? Answer: Two . . . so far.

Obama & DNC: 'Yes, we CAN'T!'
Take it to the floor, Senator Clinton!

Shame on the DNC, shame on the candidate. The democrat didn't deserve to win the election.
I don't like the republican party and ready to hand my vote to the democrat. My guest is that they are not ready. I got to give it to McCain. At least, he have my respect.

I agree Dogsoldier -- watching Obama stand up before America and call his supposedly beloved grandmother a racist for his own political gain, was one of the most offensive things I have ever witnessed.

Obama is a bloody LIAR!
He said it was up to the DNC to decide but that was a lie! It is up to HIM.
His people and him are blocking the votes of MI and FL. I can not believe this!
What if this happened in South Carolina or Louisiana???????
Obama is a fraud and he is disenfranchising voters!

Really enough of this.

Let the campaigns make their case in front of the American people and then let the delegates at the convention decide.

If the democratic party is unwilling to seat 8% of the democratic electorate at it's convention, then it will no doubt lose the election, as it should.

There are no more solutions. No one can unelect delegates overruling the voters of MI and FL, with some arbitrary apportionment of delegates.

Either the delegations are seated as is or they aren't.

Take it to the floor! Call his bluff Hill!

During the campaign Obama will tell the voters of Michigan and Florida his racist grannie made him do it!

Bye..bye Hillariosly

Bye..bye Hillariosly

So Obama doesn't believe in the democracy on which American is founded then? Obviously not. No way is he the future of the democratic party: he is the death of it as far as the 2008 Election is concerned. He can wheel and deal with Rezko but for him to play with the right of ordinary American people to express their vote absolutely stinks. And people want this man to be President: you must be joking!

1. Everyone is bashing Obama on this issue, but what would Clinton do if she had a small lead and Obama was wanting a redo in big states that broke party rules that he had won? I don't see any difference between them in this situation. They are both doing what favors them. 2.Why do the candidates get to decide if there is a redo? This is a disagreement between the national party and the state party. As long as they don't change the rules set at the start, I don't see why the candidates have a say.

As Chicago one sang..."She's gone..oh I...oh I...I'd pay the devil to replace her...she's gowne...."

Obamaall theway-Do you even know what NAFTA is? OK. Then explain it to me.

LAGuy-Honestly, Obama throwing his grandmother under the bus is the ONE thing that stood out in my mind the day after Obama's race speech and it really angered me.

Obama did not cause this mess!!!The DNC are morons, do we really need more morons in government???I think they all stink!!!

Think about it! Clinton will have another chance and she can learn by her mistakes. I mean four years from now she'll be much wiser and would have learned more tricks to use to fool the voters. She's a fast learner, and by the time the next election comes around she be able to fool the best of us. She just has to learn to avoid putting anything on the record where the truth can come out.

s.b. I read some of your posts and laughed and laughed! Let me summarise for you: "It's all big bad Obama's fault". No it isn't. MI and FL will be seated if it makes no difference to the results of the nomination. If it does, they won't be seated. In case your love for Hellary has blinded you, the lack of redo primaries is not Obama's fault: there were legitimate concerns and the state legislatures in MI and FL would never have passed the legislation. WOuld YOU shoot yourself in the foot?

Because the voters in both states havent gone out to the streets and said what are you doing.And Americans have not supparted them in the same way

Ahhh, Dogsoldier, you cannot handle a President Obama? How unfortunate for you. But what do WE care?

But hey, there will be a lot of Hillary t-shirts, posters and buttons bargains soon, so buy some of that stuff, decorate your room in your parents' home with it and don't worry, be happy till 2016. At that time you'll even be a grown up!

Obama & DNC: 'Yes, we CAN'T!'
Take it to the floor, Senator Clinton!

If I lived in Michigan or Florida, I would want the heads of the Dem party members who decided to hold the early primaries KNOWING the DNC said they would not count. On a platter.

If people in those states wish to be upset with somebody, blame your state's representatives. They are the ones who moved the primary ahead AFTER they were told it would not count if they did. How does this not make sense to anyone? Again, they(your state) moved your primary with the full knowledge that it would not count. Both Hillary and Obama are on record opposing this move in the beginning of the cycle. Don't confuse their current political posturing for ownership of the problem. That falls squarely on the leaders of your states!

Garf-Check the Gallup polls since brother Wright. The only one going DOWN is Obama. Today Obama said his grandmother is a "typical white person" which aught to play real well. And John Kerry said because Obama was a BLACK person he'd be good for America and the world. Ferraro come to mind here? Wow. Perhaps someone aught to tell Obama to stop digging when he's in a hole. Down, baby, down!

How do all of your Obamalovers think putting a socialist in office who wants to tax the crap out of us, and ruin this economy for "carbon credits" think this is going to decrease the price of gas? Is Obama going to give OPEC bjs so they increase production?

Donna,

The Democrats in Florida supported moving up the primary as well. When the DNC and RNC started balking, the democrats played lip service to opposing moving the primary. Do you really think they were powerless? It'd been all over the news if they filibustered or truly opposed. The problem is too many Dems in FL supported moving up the primary. And don't forget, the RNC punished Michigan an FL too. They stripped half their delegates.

people should know better than to think florida doesn't count - i am amazed that in spite of 2000 anyone misses that florida counts - florida could decide this election once again - what was that about 'repeating history' !

Marilyn-It was not the democrats in FL or MI who decide. It was the Republican Governor and the republican controlled house who moved the primary DESPITE democrats who asked differently. MI somewhat the same except they have a dem gov.

Seems yesterday's anti-Obama line was "under the bus" and today's is "take it to the floor". Hillary is out. Live with it.

One of the lessons we learn in kindergarten is that if you break the rules, you have to sit in time-out. It's a shame that the leadership in Michigan and Florida decided to disenfranchise their citizens by making decisions that led to--essentially--a state-wide time-out.

We have a representative form of government and if the citizens of Michigan and Florida are unhappy with the decisions their leaders have made, then they are free to make their feelings known the next time those leaders are up for re-election.

DavidE, That was Hall & Oates not Chicago,
and the real song is by Elton John...The Bitch is back, as a matter of fact...lol
Obama people don't know rock & roll.

If this contest is taken to the floor of the convention, it will be a bloody fight. Either way, it will be very ugly. I also don't know why moving the primaries up became such an ugly move. So what if they're early? Is it just me, or is it because the worst is yet to come? The votes from both of these states don't count as far as the nomination goes? I smell a court fight.

I think caucuses are good for energizing voters, discussing issues, local campaigning, etc. But I dont think they reflect the will of the voters as primaries do. For the future, I think the new party rules should be for all states to allow caucusing and primaries but only primaries allocate delegates. Delegate allocation should be proportional to voter participation not registered democrats. Primaries should be closed to prevent GOP fixing. Superdelegates should be included to represent the party. If the voters dont want them to have more weight than delegates from the states then they need to get out and vote to prevent it. There are valid cases for the superdelegates and the RNC has them too for the same reasons. Latest poll shows 49% of Americans polled believe the superdelegates should vote for the most electable candidate based on their judgment.

As far as this election, the courts or the DNC credentials committee has to come up with a solution to seat the delegates at let everything be hashed out at the convention or those states voters have had their rights violated and will vote GOP out of anger. The latest polls also show 63% wanted new primaries. 19% wanted them counted based on January primaries. Only 15% say dont seat the delegates for MI & FL.

Obama made a bad move. I hope it gets Clinton the nomination. We will see what happens after the court decisions and in Auguest.

Don't blame Obama, the DNC or the voters from Michigan and Florida for this train wreck. The blame goes only in one direction and thats to the folks who voted to move the dates up, despite party rules and clear warnings that the delegates would not count. If the DNC folded under the pressure from Florida and Michigan what state would bother obeying party rules in 2012? As for Obama, he would be crazy to do a revote after everyone from Hillary to the mainstream news has already claimed her the winner of both states. It's tainted the whole election process. If Michigan and Florida voters feel the need to vent their frustrations at the ballot box do so against the two moronic governors who are running the show there and effectively decided to give the middle finger to their party, the other states who obeyed the rules, and the DNC.

If it were the lawmakers and the elite who were takeing the brunt of the punishement I would say serves them right, but its the common man and woman who is being punished for what their leaders did. Its undemocratic to disenfranchise the voters in these two states just because the DNC wants to prove a point. let them have their say or they will in Novemeber and it wont be pretty for the Democrats. As far as Obamas position he is stonewalling. he knows he will probably lose Florida and after the rev. Wright fiasco may lose Michigan as well. This is just another example of why we need not vote for Obama. The only side he is on is his own.

Hillary supporters certainly show how biased they are and out of touch with the unfortunate but plain facts about FA and MI having their votes not counted. Obama has absolutely nothing to do with it. One just as easily blame Hillary, and that again would make no sense. I do think the folks responsable for the primary debacle in both states should to be told to look for another job. I suppose the disillusioned voters will do just that.

Its time for Al Gore and John Edwards to stand up and endorse a candidate. Too many superdelegates continue to walk the fence while the Democratic nominees tear each other down, down, down (already below McCain).

At this point (when it is a virtual mathematical impossibiliy for Clinton to catch up with Obama), this fence-walking is not justifiable.

PA results wont change the situation, either. It seems that Ted Kennedy and John Kerry are the only ones showing any guts.

SB,

I agree everything with you, I'm also Hillary's supporter.
But there is something I know that about 2 weeks ago, Howard Dean appeared on tv when he gave a statement about the rule of Democrate party handle this election.
He said (I guess the words just slippedout of his mouth) , he think Super delegates know which candidate should win to the nomination.
He mentioned whoever won big states like Ohio, Texas, we know what American people want and when the reporter asked him again, will do re vote in MI and FL , he answered very quickly "YES"

I just don't know what is happening now.
I'm so disappointed. I thought he is a wise guy but maybe somebody has treathened him.
This is just not fair.
It's mafia works.

Michigan & Florida

We invite you in joining us by writing in Hillary Clinton on your November ballot if Obama does not drop out soon over his mentor and spiritual adviser.

Obama does nor want your vote now.
Don't give Obama your vote ever.

Clintons failed in manipulating the race.

Yes Howard Dean's head should be on a platter for the final convention wine and cheese.

His incompetence aside, Hillary does not need to do anything else. She won these these states.

They are either seated at convention or Obama's candidacy is doomed as it has no legitimacy and he has lost two states off the bat, probably more.

Not only is his candidacy doomed if he argues against seating MI and FL at the convention in front of the American viewing public, his political career is over.

Call his bluff and take it to the floor Hill! You don't have to do any thing else.

This goes to convention and I think Hillary has just won.

Well I live in Michigan and as far as I'm concerned, if the rest of the candidates running, names weren't on the ballot, then Hillary's name shouldn't have been either! We were urged to vote "uncommited" if our candidate of choice name was not on the ballot. We were told that if we wrote in our candidate's name that our vote wouldn't count at all!

Hillary Clinton did not WIN the Michigan primary, she SCAMMED it!! So where's the outrage on that? Where's the constant news coverage on that? Hmm?

She does not deserve our delegates! I'd rather see them not seated at all, then given to that scam artist!

DCVoter-I disagree on the super delegate issue. No super delegates, ever. I believe each winner of any state needs to count 75% of total. The remaining spread according to vote. Let the people chose all the way. No exceptions.

Being from Michigan and also being a republican, i can say that the divisive nature of the democratic party is whats going to win the election for the republicans...............

What could possible show Obama's true colors than his opposition to a revote in Michigan and Florida? Politics of change? Politics of Hope?

Gleeful Obama supporters should keep something in mind. This sets a precedence for denying the votes to 9% of the US electoral body in this nation during THE most important voting process any of us ever participate in. Next time it could be your voice silenced. It could be over an issue of tremendous importance to you. This is not about Hillary or Barack. This is about Democracy.

(And if you're going to start crying about the rules, what do you have to say about the 4 other states that moved up the date of their primaries this year without losing delegates? The only persons you're cheating is yourselves.)

You have my support too Hillary.

First Obama trashes me to salvage his political career by comparing me to that racist bigot he supports and loves.

Now he doesn't want votes in Florida and Michigan.

Love you!
White Grandma

What's meant to be is meant to be. No matter what HRC does she keeps hitting brick walls. She'll do it as presdent too. Where Hillary goes DRAMA follows! Give it up Hillary. A new generation is taking over and we want OBAMA!

Mike Denhof-Didn't Clinton win Kerry and Kennedy's state? Then according to Obama logic aren't they supposed to vote for Clinton. Nah. You guys keep those two.

For all of you that think McCain would be a better President? Remember that when you are pumping $5 per gallon gas and purchasing $6 a gallon milk and your house is in Forclosure. Because, this is what we recieved from the Republican Party. The dollar isn't worth a box of Fruit Loops. We are engaged in an illegal war!!! It is time for a CHANGE in this country! We need to STOP THE RACIAL DIVISION. Or we will never see any changes in this country. Wake up and stop thinking in prehistoric times. These videos that continue to play. Only shows the fear that the Republican Party has. They are afraid of losing the election. But at the same time dividing this country....that is not acceptable! Black....White....Hispanics...Native Americans...we must stand together and let the Republican party know that they cannot minipulate our vote! Enough Rush and Sean Hannity!!! I challenge you to be the Christians that you claim to be!

Florida has already said they will not put the name of the Democratic nominee on their ballot in Nov if their delegates aren't seated at convention acording to the election they already held.

Florida legislators are unanimous, Democrats and Republicans that their delegates be reinstated as is. They aren't going to take anything less.

Democratic donors in Florida are demanding their money back, big money.

This could get worse if Florida and Michigan aren't seated, millions of dollars of donations will have to be returned to democrats in MI, FL and Clinton supporters elsewhere.

They have to be seated. Obama has blocked redo primaries in both states so they have to be reinstated as is.

Democrats aren't that dumb.

Take it to the floor Hill!

New Mexico-You already got Obama and if the polls are correct then you're going down with him. Cherrio!

Thank you Michigan and Florida!
HRC supporters.... please get an education and do some research. Your comments are grammatically incorrect and ignorant. Hillary CAN NOT win. Do the math. Where Hillary goes DRAMA, SCANDAL, and IMPROPRIETIES follow. Do you really want that in the White House? Her attempts to stop at nothing to win this election are pathetic and have completely destroyed the Democratic Party. Yet you continue to support her. A president can do NOTHING for you....its CONGRESS that can. A president "represents" a country. Do you really think Hillary will represent this country with intelligence, composure, and eloquence? She's an aging woman who tries to control not only men but "any sheep willing to be led to the slaughter". This makes her very unattractive. She has NO grace or "Womanliness" to her and no real experience (just regretful support for NAFTA, the Iraq war, etc. etc.) Yet she has the "self-righteous” nerve to point the finger at Obama. No wonder Bill cheated on her. Would you want to be married to that? Obama in his short time as a senator has accomplished much more than she has in all of her so called "years of experience". It's time for some of you Boomers (the under-educated, aging woman, and lesbians supporting Hillary) to LET IT GO! The Boomers time of "ruling this country" IS OVER! Thank you for valiant efforts but you need to relax and retire! A new generation is speaking and they want OBAMA!

This morning Sam Donalson said on tv If Democrate put Obama at the general election , Democrate party would be finished.

Alaska White LADY-As Obama said today, "you're a typical white person" and if the polls are correct you're going down, lady! Cherrio!

Alaska White Lady,

Grammar includes paragraphs, just so you know.

As far as the math is concerned, Clinton is looking to take WV, Kent. Penn, and PR by 30% margins. She is also favoured to win Indiana and Oregon. She has pulled even in North Carolina.

There's lots of math left.

Votes from Michigan and Florida will be counted else democratic party is going to loose the general election. Cannot imagine they not listening to 8% of American population. Its sad revote is not happening as with the momentum on Hillary's side she would will be double digits in both states.
Florida - Delegates counted as voted as both Hillary and Obama were on the ballot.
Michigan - Delegates split 50/50 or according to national average

Super delegates from both states counted, Hillary has 80% of them on her side. (atleast 40 delegates)

Hillary will win big in PA, IN, WV and Porto Rico. Obama may win NC, MT, ND but only with a slim margin. Hillary could end up winning additional 60 - 70 delegates additionally in the next 10 elections.

Hillary should be able to get more super delegate support, as Obama is no longer a strong presidential candidate after his relationship with the pastor.

Hillary will be the nominee... Good Luck Obama.

Obama has no scruples. He tosses aside the voters of MI and FL, like they're nobody, and is treating them like dirt.

Alaska White LADY-Furthermore, are you distinguishing yourself from the Native Alaskan population? Isn't that racist? Wright, I forgot, you support Obama so you can't be racists, Wright?

Take it to the floor Hill! Obama cannot and will not win thanks to his association to The Racist Wright. So if the Dems want to have a chance to win the White House they better stick behind the only candidate that stands a FIGHTING c