Well Well - the Obamites accuse Clinton of spin and here are the facts to dispute it. Politically, I am not surprised Obama is blocking the revote. But he should be an American first and a candidate second. All votes matter in a democratic election and if this is what this state wants to do, no one should be blocking it.

I don't understand how Obama thinks he can unite the democrats by denying the votes of Michigan and Florida. What is he afraid of really? By all accounts even if he let Clinton have the delegates she won - she still would not catch him in pledged delegates. So what gives? He can't have it both ways. Is he a uniter or a denier of votes?

DCVoter,

Please drop all this "America first" crap. Hillary didn't start talking about "disenfranchised" voters until she failed to wrap up the nomination on February 5. Now that she's behind, she wants to change the rules; Obama wants to abide by the agreement they BOTH SIGNED.

Very clever how Hillary and her supporters have maneuvered the media into putting the pressure on Obama to go along with the DNC caving on its rules so HRC can have an unfair advantage.

If the situation were reversed . . . . Well, you can complete that sentence.

The signed agreement was to not campaign. Candidates do not determine which votes count or dont count. The party does but if the party violates the voting rights of the states voters, the court can order the votes counted. This is what happens in FL. Try not attacking me personally for things you are not aware of. I am happy to help you learn and I am never going to abide by anyone telling me not to be an American first or to ask anyone else to be an American first.. same as you.

Yes jac13, if the situation was reversed Obama would be screaming his head off about how he's be penalized. He only believes in doing the right thing when it serves HIMSELF.

And... Clinton stated (before the voting began after the states were disenfranchised) that they expected the whomever nominee is would likely ask their delegates at the convention to ask that FL and MI delegates be seated. I think Obama agreed in similar form. Why would you as an American expect any less from your candidate but to be an American and do every thing he could to get the votes counted even if that meant another voting round? His own camp, in an interview the other day said he expects Obama to do well in MI since he probably accounts for the 40% uncommitted and he did not campaign or even have his name on the ballot. (I dont buy that spin but the point is even his camp does not agree with you.)

After a somewhat nice but hollow speech about bringing people together and trying to make all people count... is he saying "but not the people of Michigan"? Actions speak volumes... words are only powerful when supported by conviction and accomplishments.

How the heck is a revote an unfair advantage for either candidate?

Not counting MI would likely result in it joining the ranks of swing states and be likely to go Red. No real democrat would ever want the votes to not be counted in some way.

Don't know why Obama is stalling the re-vote, even if he get the nomination he is not winning this election so he may as well have the re-vote.

Obama needs to wake up the AA vote alone cant win him this race to the WH, and he has already turned so many other off with his lies and flip flopping now he is angering the FL and MI votes, and expect them to support him in a GE

Seems to me he is acting like if he cant make it he is going to ensure that no one else does.

OBAMA against a Michigan vote-- doesn't surprise me. This guy is willing to disenfranchise two major states. That is not the DEMOCRATIC PARTY way. Michigan should ignore OBAMA and re-vote. These elections are run by the state party, not by the candidates. If OBAMA doesn't participate that's his choice. The outcome of a compliant election will count because a federal judge can easily make it so.

A re-vote is considered unfair by the Obama camp since the people of Michigan have now been tainted by the Wright issue.

If the MI voters are tainted by the Wright issue what does he expect in a GE, if he feels that way then he should drop out and give Hillary a chance.

Talk about disenfranchising the voters! How does Obama think this is going to play out in the general election IF he were to get the nomination? Talk about trying to do anything to get elected! If Obama doesn't work towards a new election in Michigan (and also Florida, although that seems unlikely now) he will be putting his political aspirations in front of the voting public. How can democrats discount two of the most important states in the general election! It is ridiculous! He should agree to a re-vote in both states and them campaign so they can deem the election fair. If the situation was reversed you better believe he would be asking for a re-vote. Wake up democrats of both Clinton and Obama supporters! If this was your state wouldn't you want your vote counted?! This should be appalling to all democrats no matter who your vote is going for.

If Obama is the great uniter than he should encourage the vote in Florida and Michigan. Isn't he always taking credit for bringing people into the voting booths? Why does he then want to stop people from voting? I guess it's better to turn millions of people away than to take the chance that he might lose those states. Obama says one thing and does another. I guess he doesn't really care about the people- just his own ambitions.

There is no excuse for this- the people in Florida and Michigan deserve the right to voice their opinion in the voting booth.

DCVoter: Your're absolutely right. How can 2.7 million people in FL and MI be disenfranchised? Is Obama not supposed to be a uniter?

I guess he only unites the black racists.

I'm not convinced. There is no difference betwen Obama and his pastor. His speech did nothing for me.

Hate speech only divides America and Obama is not fit to be President.

Shame on you Obama!

The speech on race given by Obama appears to have had little effect on changing public perception. During a prepared speech which was highly orchestrated and by invitation to mostly supporters, Obama went to great length repeating reasons for his continued association and friendship with his spiritual advisor Rev. Wright and his membership at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama said the pastor introduced him to the Christian faith and continues to perform God’s work.

The bottom line is that Obama is no different than the lunetic racist pastor. Get the facts here

http://votersusa.blogspot.com/

Obama won't drop out and give Hillary a chance despite the overwhelming negative response to the Wright issue he is receiving. He wants to anger his AA supporters and the young college kids who are backing him, so they can blame Hillary for cheating, and her so-called scorched earth tactics that his supporters are constantly saying all over the blogosphere. This way, either McCain will win, or if Hillary wins, people will hate her. He is not a uniter, but after this, one AA blogger wrote that he will never, ever be credible for any office, even the Presidency. ...and it is not, I repeat, not about his race. It is about trust, experience and qualifications for this highest office of the land.

Isn't it wonderful to have a great uniter like Obama? Except if you live in FL and MI. A fellow who asks us to understand Uncle Wright but not the voters of FL and MI. Yep. That's Obama.

Hillary and the other candidates agreed last year that the Michigan and Florida primaries would not count. Now that she is down to holding on by a thread, she changes her stance and decries voter disenfranchisement. If she really thought that it was voter disenfranchisement, then why did she agree to it last year? Is she a flip-flopper or is it sour grapes?

If the DNC has a provision in its rules for states to make a request to have their delegates seated (which was also outlined in the rules at the time they stripped MI of their delegates) and a state has appropriately complied with those rules by putting forth a new plan for a re-vote, then all candidates should respect the wishes of the state.

Since the Obama campaign continues to point out ALL of the time that they are ahead in delegate count, states and popular vote, what are they afraid of? Have they paused to consider that they might actually do well? That was the claim for Florida--he didn't get to campaign there because if he had, he would undoubtedly done better in the primary. So, does this logic not apply for Michigan?

What Michigan has put forth is legitimate and complies with the rules set forth at the onset of this campaign. I don't see how denying Michigan their vote is a good political move. I think there would be greater consequences than a few delegates.

Gail-Do you really want to disenfranchise two huge states, FL and MI? Do you want to give those two states to the republicans even before the general begins? Heck if you do, I'd be interested in your version of how any democrat can win the White House. Please explain.

DCVoter: funny you should say that, especially when Hillary Clinton has been trying just these past few days to impose her own delaying tactics on the Texas caucus for her own benefit - honest or not. Barack Obama's concerns are perfectly legitimate. It is so easy to criticize when you are not faced with the same dilemma. Put yourself in his shoes for just a minute or two and see if you would not do the same thing to make sure that you are not disadvantaged. As an outsider watching the presidential campaign, the hypocrisy by many is just breathtaking and if there is one thing that is becoming clear about the man in the street, it is that it is especially the ignorant, the envious, the cowardly and those who have a guilty conscience who doth protest too much. They are busy making a lot of useless, hysterical noise because they are too afraid to look at the facts in the face, and most of all because they are too afraid to face what those facts will reveal about their own character; about who they are as human beings; about how much of their ideological security blankets they will have to chuck and how much outside of their comfort zones they will have to step in order to face the truth, accept it and then develop new attitudes. America has lost the credibility, respect and the admiration of the world today because she continues to ignore the past, pretends about the present and doesn't really give a damn about the world's future. It is already sounding the death knell when a nation continues to see others only in economic terms - sources of cheap labour, sources of raw materials, markets for your products, playgrounds for you to test your military and warfare inventions and keep the status quo to make life comfortable for only you. When a nation wants to whitewash its history and totally pretend that things that were and are, never were and are, or that some are better than others and so their wrong-doing can be excused, accommodated and even admired whilst others are crucified for the same thing or less, then you can rest assured that such a nation can forget about regaining its former status in the world. That era is well and truly over. This presidential campaign has lost its wonderful and awesome joy and become bitter, hypocritical and twisted. But should we be surprised? Maybe not – because, after all, that is how many outsiders now see America because that is the image she projects.

DCVoter: funny you should say that, especially when Hillary Clinton has been trying just these past few days to impose her own delaying tactics on the Texas caucus for her own benefit - honest or not. Barack Obama's concerns are perfectly legitimate. It is so easy to criticize when you are not faced with the same dilemma. Put yourself in his shoes for just a minute or two and see if you would not do the same thing to make sure that you are not disadvantaged. As an outsider watching the presidential campaign, the hypocrisy by many is just breathtaking and if there is one thing that is becoming clear about the man in the street, it is that it is especially the ignorant, the envious, the cowardly and those who have a guilty conscience who doth protest too much. They are busy making a lot of useless, hysterical noise because they are too afraid to look at the facts in the face, and most of all because they are too afraid to face what those facts will reveal about their own character; about who they are as human beings; about how much of their ideological security blankets they will have to chuck and how much outside of their comfort zones they will have to step in order to face the truth, accept it and then develop new attitudes. America has lost the credibility, respect and the admiration of the world today because she continues to ignore the past, pretends about the present and doesn't really give a damn about the world's future. It is already sounding the death knell when a nation continues to see others only in economic terms - sources of cheap labour, sources of raw materials, markets for your products, playgrounds for you to test your military and warfare inventions and keep the status quo to make life comfortable for only you. When a nation wants to whitewash its history and totally pretend that things that were and are, never were and are, or that some are better than others and so their wrong-doing can be excused, accommodated and even admired whilst others are crucified for the same thing or less, then you can rest assured that such a nation can forget about regaining its former status in the world. That era is well and truly over. This presidential campaign has lost its wonderful and awesome joy and become bitter, hypocritical and twisted. But should we be surprised? Maybe not – because, after all, that is how many outsiders now see America because that is the image she projects.

Sarasoon-Obama was the first guy who demanded Imus be fired and this is what he said: "I am a constitutional lawyer and strongly believe in free speech, but as a culture, we really have to do some soul-searching to think about what kind of toxic information are we feeding our kids," he concluded.
That was before we learned Obama brought his kids to listen to Reverend Wright and we all know how that turned out.
Now, Obama demanded that of a shock jock, Don Imus. Surely we can demand no less of a presidential candidate.

he won't distance himself from his racist minister
BUT
he's more than happy to disenfranchise the vote of TWO STATES?

What kind of a president would he make if he can't even uphold the Constitution?

I think Obama should just agree to allowing all citizens to be allowed to participate in this election. That is all of our right as citizen.

If Obama had been truthful and let the public know about his 20 years asssociation with this anti-American pastor, he wouldn't be in the running now. Now he along with the media is trying to spin it into being just a racial thing. This is about him sitting in that church and listening to his close friend, advisor, mentor and pastor spew hate for this Country and most of the citizens. He can never unite anything by waring two faces. In his personal life he is clapping and amening the hate spewing pastor and in his speeches (very few are his own) he is talking about bringing us all together, etc. When he and his supporters weren't calling anyone who opened their mouth about him a racist. Now is turns out that he and the Rev. are racist. For 20 years he has attended an all black church, listened to hate for this Country and all races except blacks and now because people are finding something wrong with that, we are racist. People can attack people but they can't damn the Country or anyone who sits and listens to and admires anyone who damns the Country will get my vote. I will not betray my Country for the party. He has made some terrible choices.

This revote isn't fair. 32 percent of the voters in the republican primary were democrats and independents.

They were mostly Obama supporters who were told the Michigan primary wouldn't count. Dailykos encouraged readers to vote for Romney.

Telling all these Obama supporters they can't vote in the democratic primary now is wrong. That is disenfranchisement.

Hillary in October in New hampshire on NPR said Michigan vote wouldn't be counted. Hillary said it didn't make a difference if she kept her name on the ballot or not.

Governor Granholm is a huge Clinton supporter. She wants the primary on June 3 when all the colleges are on summer break. They can't even vote by absentee if you are a first time voter.

Granholm originally moved Michigan up so New Hampshire would have their primary so early college students were on break.

The original Michigan and Florida primaries were fraudulent. They were the only primaries were the gop turnout was higher than the dems. Loads of Obama supporters stayed home thinking the vote wouldn't count.

Clinton has mislead the voters of Michigan. First in New Hampshire saying it wouldn't count now saying it should count.

Now Clinton wants a new primary where all the dems and independent Obama supporters who voted in the republican primary because Obama wasn't on the ballot, now they can't vote.

The Obama supporters who now can't vote because they voted in the republican primary to pick the weakest gop candidate because they were told the dem primary was meaningless. To have a vote where they can't vote is an outrage.

Add in the fact that Hillary wants this primary when all the college campuses are empty. Not only will University of Michigan and Michigan State be empty of students on june 3rd but it will be empty of support staff, professors. These university towns are crucial to Obama.

Hillary wants a new election without Obama democrats and independents being allowed to vote and with college campuses empty.

Hillary is the one that isn't being honest and holding up a fair election.

Let Obama's supporters who voted in the gop primary vote and have the election when colleges are still in session.

sarasoon - you are misinformed... Clinton made a request to audit the caucuses and she has every right to do so considering all the evidence and reports of wrong doing by the voters as well as the improbable result... i wont bother arguing the point just thought i might inform you of the real truth instead of Obama camp or RNC spin

From what I read on the TX case, the state is refusing to reveal the tallies... ie. they wont let her verify the caucus votes were valid... i have no doubt that there will be lawsuits filed by citizens and organizations... could she file one? certainly... we are a nation of laws... refusing to allow a candidate to examine the caucus results is the same as refusing a convicted person the right to poll the jury

Clinton is the one playing unfair.

Clinton wants this decided by superdelegates.

Clinton says superdelegates should be able to overturn the will of the people.

Clinton says she can go after Obama's pledged elected delegates. Then her aides deny and Clinton still repeated the assertion the next day which the media didn't pick up.

Hillary in October on NPR in New Hampshire said Michigan's delegates wouldn't be seated and it didn't make a difference whether she kept her name on the ballot.

Hillary thought it would be over on super tuesday. Then later after the fake elections in michigan and florida she calls them fair votes.

Hillary is an outright liar. She flip flops so much she has shown she is incapable of making decisions. Look at how she has managed her campaign she is no manager.

Steve-I beg to differ. Obama isn't doing so good lately. I guess we're going to have to go all the way now, don't you think? And I would add that super delegates, as much as I truly hate this democrat stupidly that should go by way of the dinosaurs, are a set of rules belonging to the dark ages. Yet we're stuck with them. Only democrats can create a mess like this. "We can't even run a decent primary. How can we possibly run a nation?" I heard on Fox tonight.

KP-How is DCVoter splitting the dems? What vicious posts? I'm curious?

What a selfish man.
He knew he is going to lose in MI & FL.
Now,,,FL already rejected.
He always asks for help. Pelosi is doing it now.
Sound like mafia to me.

KP,
Somehow you seem to think that disenfranchisng Florida and Michigan will be perfectly OK in the world of Democratic politics. It doesn't work quite so fairy-tale like my friend. I guarantee you if the Democratic Party chooses to ignore my Democratic vote then I will not hesitate to switch to a different party so my vote will count. The Republicans can only hope that the Democrats are that stupid.

Obama wants us to understand the good reverend but not the wishes of the voters in FL and MI? What double standard are you talking about?

Irma-You mean everyone else is mean but not the good reverend? We didn't befriend the guy, Obama did. We didn't say G D America Obama's spiritual adviser did. We didn't put Obama in this position he now finds himself in, Obama did.

Senator Obama is not disenfranchising any voter. Florida and Michigan voted. The voters understood it would not be counted so many of them voted in the Republican primary or did not vote at all.

Again, this is the states that made the decision on behalf of their voters not to change the primary dates when they were told their votes would not count. They were told they would be stripped of their delegate voting rights. How much plainer can the language be???

You know I always wondered about how good citizens could become vigilante mobs. This forum shows how perfectly. You take a few full-time rabble rousers and let them work up those who have a problem thinking for themselves but no problem repeating wrong information and then call the other bunch un-american or whatever name is needed and then keep it up until the crowd becomes a lynch mob.

That is the ugliness many of you people project. Then you have the gall to judge Reverend Wright or anyone else? You wonder why we have problems in this country? Look in the mirror.

Steve,
I'm ROFL. We should not do a Michigan re-vote because Daily Kos was so stupid as to tell people to vote for Romney? What kind of Democrat tells people to vote for a Republican? That is a pathetic thing to do, no intentional offense directed at our wayward friends the Republicans (this time only).

It's true if he thinks MI already tainted by Wright speech how he move forward?
He thinks he can choose states with majority black people to vote only and reject the others?
Sound he already run this country.
If so, he would be finished in the general election.

Steve - sure sounds like you want the voters who willingly participated in tainting the republican primary to get another chance to vote? i think cross over voting is wrong but they made the choice to do act like republicans with slime tactics and they vote has already been counted. I am not sure federal or state law would allow it. I am not sure how I would feel about it.

As far as the other thing it sure sounds like you are implying there was a lot of jockeying around and playing politics between state parties and the DNC. But in the end, it is not the voters who were doing all that and they hve already suffered with the loss of huge economic boosts their state missed out on from full swing campaign spending. If the situation in MI is like the one in FL, the rep controlled legislature moved the vote up and the state party had no say so. I dont know those details.

Rev Sharpton has threatened to sue the DNC if it DOES COUNT FL ad MI as is... real democrats want votes to count... whazzup al?

Dogsoldier Obama is doing really well in the hard math.

Obama picked up 10 delegates from Iowa over the weekend.

Obama will pick up several more delegates once the Texas caucus results go to the next step on march 29th.

Obama at each step of the 4 step caucus process does better. Caucuses are all about organizing and Obama will continue to gain delegates at each step as organizing becomes more important.

Look for Obama to gain around a net 30 delegate pickup from the 4 step caucus process in all these states.

Remember Obama has won twice as many states as Hillary. A lot of these states give add on delegates at the end to the winner of the state. Obama will pick up an extra 15 delegates from this.

Obama will also pick up most likely 4 of the 6 delegates still allocated to Edwards in Iowa.

If you add all these up Obama's pledged delegate lead is most likely around 210.

The media narrative has changed to be far more favorable to Hillary but the hard math has become disastrous for Hillary.

If in a few weeks the national and pennsylvania polls go back to where they were at before the wright story then Obama will be the presumptive nominee.

If Hillary beats Obama 58-42 in Pennsylvania she might only pick up 8 delegates.

It is over for Hillary if Obama can get his numbers back where they were before the wright story.

A lot of the superdelegates have said they will vote for Obama if he is leading in pledged delegates.

A lot of the superdelegates still out have no love for the Clintons or else they could have come aboard earlier. A lot of the undecided superdelegates are men.

Hillary also doesn't want to have a primary in michigan where obama's voters who voted in the gop primary can vote. She doesn't want to have a primary where the colleges are in session in michigan. The original vote in michigan the colleges were on break.

The most recent poll out of michigan was Obama 41 Hillary 41.

Michigan is far better demographically for Obama than is pennsylvania.

Hillary has a strong governor in pennsylvania, roots there, ny media market spills over to eastern pa.

Michigan has a bigger AA population, more educated university population.

Michigan white voters are much more upper midwestern like wisconsin than like pennsylvania. There is too much friction between the inner city and suburban and rural areas for obama to do well in pennsylvania in the primary. But in a general election matchup Obama does better in ppennsylvania because he gets a greater percentage of independent and republican vote than Clinton. In PA primary only dems can vote.

Chip,
You are not getting it. If a LEADERS says I don't want to count your vote, that MEANS something to the voter. It's that simple. You can cite rules, behavior modification programs, anything else. By God, I want my LEADER to bust his or her pants to make sure my vote ALWAYS counts. Pay attention to history my friend, people have been willing to die over the right to vote and to have their vote counted.

Remember how Obama wiped out his opponents when he ran for office in Chicago?

He systematically found errors in the filing paperwork submitted by each prospective candidate, and then challenged
their candidacy based on technicalities.

As a result, Obama ran unopposed.

Obama is still relying on technicalities to win, rather than do it fair and square. It's so short sighted, but this is another insidious pattern inherent in the political career of Barack Obama.

Chip-Did you forget FL election day was decided by republicans? Were you aware FL democrats appealed to the DNC despite the Florida republican's decision to go against dem wishes? Do you think democrats can win the general giving up two states even before the general begins? Are you that determined to get Obama a win in this primary at the expense of millions of voters who wish to be counted? I don't. Not in a democracy I don't.

DCVoter,
Where did you hear the Sharpton thing? Isn't he from New York? How would he have standing to sue people in Michigan for re-casting their vote. As far as I know there are no party rules against casting a vote that complies with the timing rules. DNC has said they can't count the first vote. A re-cast vote would be compliant. It's really not up to Obama its up to the state party. If Howard Dean does not step up to the plate on this he's going to start a civil war with disenfranchised voters.

Westcoast messenger....is that a promise? Would you please switch? I would feel way more comfortable with your kind of folks on the other side. I expect venom and lies from them. I sort of hoped it might not be that way on the dem side.

Fairy tale...maybe. I think that it may only be in fairy tales that the good guy wins. In reality it seems that is not always the case. If it looks like he might, he is vilified by those that really don't like to see good prevail. I chose to dare to dream that we can change. That we must change. As for me, I am STILL, even more fervently supporting Obama.

Hey Steve, we get it, you're all about the Delegates not the people's voice. That is until SD's are discussed, then you're for the voters voices; via elected delegates. Yeah, it's totally clear, no need for the essay.

The republican party disenfranchised FL and MI dem voters because the DNC is stupid and you want to punish the voters? - how unAmerican

Irma-I'm saying if they think Hillary supporters are mean, but not the words of Reverend Wright then there's something really wrong with the Obama folks thinking. We did not put Obama in the position he now finds himself, Obama did. And when we question anything Obama we are mean to them because we do not drink the juice and believe whatever the messiah says.

DCVoter the first Michigan election was a joke.

Didn't you notice how Michigan was one of the only states with a higher republican turnout than democratic turnout.

Independents who would have voted for Obama voted in the republican primary because they were told the democratic primary was meaningless. Hillary Clnton herself said the primary was meaningless to NPR in New Hamsphire in October.

To now say to those voters you can't vote is not right.

Obama won the indepdent vote in Ohio. He needs that vote in Michigan. Hillary is the one playing unfairly. Let those voters be able to vote in the new primary.

Ickes is the clinton surrogate pushing this. He was the one who originally wrote the rules saying Michigan wouldn't count. Now he thinks it is fair to bar the independents who would have voted for Obama in a real election.

I think this is funny. At this point, I am just going with the flow. I am a Dem and definitely will not vote for General McCain. But - all of the people who bought the "Obama is above politics" junk at least should admit that they were WRONG. It's ok to be wrong. It's horrible to be in denial.

Yes, yes, I completely agree Dogslider.

KP-Do you believe the white man invented HIV virus to kill black Americans? Obama did not deny this gem by the good reverend. Now Obama says he was sitting in the pews and heard Wright say some very objectionably things. Three day prior he told Fox, which I watched at the time, he did not heard any Wright offensive material. No one is shooting Obama in the foot better than Obama.

Steve - if i were a MI voter and chose to vote in the rep primary i would not expect the state to count my vote twice... in other words i am not sure the party could allow it if it wanted to by law

If the Florida and Michigan delegate votes count as full votes without any punishment at all, then what good does it do to have a DNC? I don't care who set the election up.

Even if they were Obama delegates one and all, they should not be counted as full votes. To ask the taxpayers of those states to foot the bill for a re-do is just irresponsible.

Irma Hillary isn't going to win the popular vote.

If you include the raw vote totals from the caucuses instead of delegates Obama has a huge lead in the popular vote.

Forget the delegates then go by the popular vote and Hillary has no chance.

Clinton supporters are sounding like Huckabee supporters.

The math is not on your side. That is a problem. Huckabee finally realized it and Hillary supporters will finally realize it in the middle of june when obama is in the nominee.

Hillary lost 11 straight contests.

She lost Virginia 64-35.

Hillary lost the white male vote in Virgina 63-34.

But according to Mark Penn Virginia isn't a big state. I thought Virginia mattered more as a swing state than big state california.

Hillary lost Wisconsin 58-41.

Hillary will not be able to recover from that disastrous losing streak.

You can't get blown out in a 11 straight contests then expect to be the nominee. The math doesn't work that way.

Steve-It was the DNC who chose to use the nuclear option and disqualify democrats. The republicans who had the exact same situation as us chose a different path and they have no complaints. It is the DNC who chose super delegates not us. And it is the DNC who sit around paralyzed right now. We, democrats, cannot win the general giving away two large state even before the general begins. Great for the republicans. If I'm them I'm on this board encouraging the Obama side to keep up the good work in disenfranchising FL and MI, wouldn't you if you were a republican?

yes Dogsoldier...

I think it is likely that Obama tried to get away with the lies Friday but once the hunt was on for evidence through all those videos... proof was found and he knew he was caught. Since that time the high profile surrogates and Michelle seem MIA. We already know where Wright went (probably avoiding sedition charges LOL).

Then I heard Michelle had tears behind the scenes this morning after the speech yet she is still MIA along with most of the surrogates. The only ones I have seen putting themselves out there are Durbin (who screwed up and told a cover lie), Rev Jackson (anything for a tv op), and Pelosi who is saying safe political statements and not endorsing.

When this whole mess broke out, Clinton and her surrogates and camp refused to get involved. I think she knew the impact it could have. In keeping with her "rescuing" him a couple of times in the race, I truly think she gave him the opportunity to do the right thing... he has no one to blame but himself for his judgement in the past and the present.

Chip - private money is already available to cover costs. The issue is simple, the states have to find a solution within the rules (many we are not even told about) by the June 10 primary deadline. The courts heard the FL case yesterday and would rule in a month or so they say. Meanwhile the DNC will meet to consider alternatives in April. The MI revote is likely to be pushed through by all parties involved once Obama stops blocking it. With a revote he has a chance to get more votes... without a revote the courts would likely order it to count anyway.

Yeah, except Huckabee did not have HALF of the REAL DEMOCRATS on his side as Hillary does.

DC voter, Clinton's supporters in Michigan are to blame.

Levin, Granholm, Dingell all pushed for the early primary. They did this so they would have a big state early where Clinton could win with her big name recognition.

That is why the DNC said big states couldn't go before feb 5. Going beforehand would help out Clinton with the name ID. Obama couldn't campaign with the contest so soon after New Hampshire.

Granholm also moved it up to January 15th to force New Hampshire and Iowa up so their contests would occur when colleges were on winter break. All the michigan schools were also on break on january 15th.

If it wasn't for Michigan moving up early New Hampshire would have voted with schools back from winter break.

9 out of the 10 New Hampshire campuses were empty for the primary. Obama would have won New Hampshire by the same margin Clinton won if the campuses were in session. The students weren't the only ones on break. The faculty was on break. Those college towns are machines for Obama and they purposefully moved up Michigan to hurt Obama.

Levin and Granholm broke the rules even when told the consequences. Michigan had months to comply with the rules and refused to.

Michigan for decades has done a caucus system. Granholm changed that for Clinton too. Michigan could have moved the primary back many times. The original primary was almost thrown out in court and Michigan would have had to have moved back to february 9th for a caucus.

DC Voter-Right on brother. Nevertheless, it does appear the Obama supporters have some difficulty when you keep hitting them with those nasty little things called FACTS. How mean of you. LOL.

Irma, the superdelegates aren't the will of the people.

Go by popular vote then. But equating superdelegates with the will of the people is unfair. It is unseemly for Obama to have a lead in the pledged elected delegates but behind Clinton with the party insiders.

There are rules to follow.
If you accepted the rules, than follow, like on the road: driving on Red You should get a ticket, but not a rebate check.

Who is trying to re-rule?
Shameless Hillary?

No WAY to partizan clinton's .

Don't surprise me, He lies, he protects American Haters, see he can step lower.

Steve - perhaps you should go play with the slate delegate calculator or even the CNN one with the sliders. There are a number of possible ways Clinton can take the pledged delegate lead and the popular vote by June. The race is not over till its over. This year so many states are in wiered order and contention because Dean/DNC screwed up with their logic somehow regarding schedules. It is having the opposite effect of what they though thought would have.

Steve-Factually speaking the DNC allowed a mess of states to move up their voting. Now, because other states moved up their voting FL and MI tried to do the same. But we know how that turned out. So, some were allowed and two were not. Another brilliant move by the DNC.

Irma Hillary doesn't have half of the real democrats on her side.

She is close to a million votes behind in the popular vote. And she is 170 pledged elected delegates behind.

If the situations were reversed the media would be running Obama out of the race.

It is unseemly for Obama to be winning the vote of the people.

If Obama wins the vote of the people and loses by party insiders you can write off the african american and youth vote.

It will have horrific racial overtones if Obama wins the vote of the people in popular vote and pledged delegates and is denied by white party insiders.

I don't think Clinton supporters have any idea the electoral backlash that would create.

Harold Ickes Clinton's top advisor already said there is no chance for her to catch up in pledged delegates. She can't catch up in the popular vote if you count the raw votes from the caucus states which the media isn't doing.

All Clinton can do right now is win by overturning the will of the people.

Steve-No! You did not say racial, did you? OK. You opened this door. Let's see what the voters think of Obama from here on out, shall we?

Steve - MI has a republican controlled senate last i saw and i think the state had to vote to move the primary... if the state dem committee (superdels maybe) had a hand then there is a problem.

If they punish the SDs in MI and not allow them to be seated and allow the voters to revote (except those that voted rep) then those who voted rep are not represented by the SDs.
Let's assume state law will not allow votes to count twice.

Allowing the revote and including the SDs at least allows the system to cast votes for those who voted rep. In the end, come August, there will be someway that all the states are represented.

Is Obama afraid o