Hillary and the other candidates agreed last year that the Michigan and Florida primaries would not count. Now that she is down to holding on by a thread, she changes her stance and decries voter disenfranchisement. If she really thought that it was voter disenfranchisement, then why did she agree to it last year? Is she a flip-flopper or is it sour grapes?

If the DNC has a provision in its rules for states to make a request to have their delegates seated (which was also outlined in the rules at the time they stripped MI of their delegates) and a state has appropriately complied with those rules by putting forth a new plan for a re-vote, then all candidates should respect the wishes of the state.

Since the Obama campaign continues to point out ALL of the time that they are ahead in delegate count, states and popular vote, what are they afraid of? Have they paused to consider that they might actually do well? That was the claim for Florida--he didn't get to campaign there because if he had, he would undoubtedly done better in the primary. So, does this logic not apply for Michigan?

What Michigan has put forth is legitimate and complies with the rules set forth at the onset of this campaign. I don't see how denying Michigan their vote is a good political move. I think there would be greater consequences than a few delegates.

Gail-Do you really want to disenfranchise two huge states, FL and MI? Do you want to give those two states to the republicans even before the general begins? Heck if you do, I'd be interested in your version of how any democrat can win the White House. Please explain.

DCVoter: funny you should say that, especially when Hillary Clinton has been trying just these past few days to impose her own delaying tactics on the Texas caucus for her own benefit - honest or not. Barack Obama's concerns are perfectly legitimate. It is so easy to criticize when you are not faced with the same dilemma. Put yourself in his shoes for just a minute or two and see if you would not do the same thing to make sure that you are not disadvantaged. As an outsider watching the presidential campaign, the hypocrisy by many is just breathtaking and if there is one thing that is becoming clear about the man in the street, it is that it is especially the ignorant, the envious, the cowardly and those who have a guilty conscience who doth protest too much. They are busy making a lot of useless, hysterical noise because they are too afraid to look at the facts in the face, and most of all because they are too afraid to face what those facts will reveal about their own character; about who they are as human beings; about how much of their ideological security blankets they will have to chuck and how much outside of their comfort zones they will have to step in order to face the truth, accept it and then develop new attitudes. America has lost the credibility, respect and the admiration of the world today because she continues to ignore the past, pretends about the present and doesn't really give a damn about the world's future. It is already sounding the death knell when a nation continues to see others only in economic terms - sources of cheap labour, sources of raw materials, markets for your products, playgrounds for you to test your military and warfare inventions and keep the status quo to make life comfortable for only you. When a nation wants to whitewash its history and totally pretend that things that were and are, never were and are, or that some are better than others and so their wrong-doing can be excused, accommodated and even admired whilst others are crucified for the same thing or less, then you can rest assured that such a nation can forget about regaining its former status in the world. That era is well and truly over. This presidential campaign has lost its wonderful and awesome joy and become bitter, hypocritical and twisted. But should we be surprised? Maybe not – because, after all, that is how many outsiders now see America because that is the image she projects.

DCVoter: funny you should say that, especially when Hillary Clinton has been trying just these past few days to impose her own delaying tactics on the Texas caucus for her own benefit - honest or not. Barack Obama's concerns are perfectly legitimate. It is so easy to criticize when you are not faced with the same dilemma. Put yourself in his shoes for just a minute or two and see if you would not do the same thing to make sure that you are not disadvantaged. As an outsider watching the presidential campaign, the hypocrisy by many is just breathtaking and if there is one thing that is becoming clear about the man in the street, it is that it is especially the ignorant, the envious, the cowardly and those who have a guilty conscience who doth protest too much. They are busy making a lot of useless, hysterical noise because they are too afraid to look at the facts in the face, and most of all because they are too afraid to face what those facts will reveal about their own character; about who they are as human beings; about how much of their ideological security blankets they will have to chuck and how much outside of their comfort zones they will have to step in order to face the truth, accept it and then develop new attitudes. America has lost the credibility, respect and the admiration of the world today because she continues to ignore the past, pretends about the present and doesn't really give a damn about the world's future. It is already sounding the death knell when a nation continues to see others only in economic terms - sources of cheap labour, sources of raw materials, markets for your products, playgrounds for you to test your military and warfare inventions and keep the status quo to make life comfortable for only you. When a nation wants to whitewash its history and totally pretend that things that were and are, never were and are, or that some are better than others and so their wrong-doing can be excused, accommodated and even admired whilst others are crucified for the same thing or less, then you can rest assured that such a nation can forget about regaining its former status in the world. That era is well and truly over. This presidential campaign has lost its wonderful and awesome joy and become bitter, hypocritical and twisted. But should we be surprised? Maybe not – because, after all, that is how many outsiders now see America because that is the image she projects.

Sarasoon-Obama was the first guy who demanded Imus be fired and this is what he said: "I am a constitutional lawyer and strongly believe in free speech, but as a culture, we really have to do some soul-searching to think about what kind of toxic information are we feeding our kids," he concluded.
That was before we learned Obama brought his kids to listen to Reverend Wright and we all know how that turned out.
Now, Obama demanded that of a shock jock, Don Imus. Surely we can demand no less of a presidential candidate.

he won't distance himself from his racist minister
BUT
he's more than happy to disenfranchise the vote of TWO STATES?

What kind of a president would he make if he can't even uphold the Constitution?

I think Obama should just agree to allowing all citizens to be allowed to participate in this election. That is all of our right as citizen.

If Obama had been truthful and let the public know about his 20 years asssociation with this anti-American pastor, he wouldn't be in the running now. Now he along with the media is trying to spin it into being just a racial thing. This is about him sitting in that church and listening to his close friend, advisor, mentor and pastor spew hate for this Country and most of the citizens. He can never unite anything by waring two faces. In his personal life he is clapping and amening the hate spewing pastor and in his speeches (very few are his own) he is talking about bringing us all together, etc. When he and his supporters weren't calling anyone who opened their mouth about him a racist. Now is turns out that he and the Rev. are racist. For 20 years he has attended an all black church, listened to hate for this Country and all races except blacks and now because people are finding something wrong with that, we are racist. People can attack people but they can't damn the Country or anyone who sits and listens to and admires anyone who damns the Country will get my vote. I will not betray my Country for the party. He has made some terrible choices.

This revote isn't fair. 32 percent of the voters in the republican primary were democrats and independents.

They were mostly Obama supporters who were told the Michigan primary wouldn't count. Dailykos encouraged readers to vote for Romney.

Telling all these Obama supporters they can't vote in the democratic primary now is wrong. That is disenfranchisement.

Hillary in October in New hampshire on NPR said Michigan vote wouldn't be counted. Hillary said it didn't make a difference if she kept her name on the ballot or not.

Governor Granholm is a huge Clinton supporter. She wants the primary on June 3 when all the colleges are on summer break. They can't even vote by absentee if you are a first time voter.

Granholm originally moved Michigan up so New Hampshire would have their primary so early college students were on break.

The original Michigan and Florida primaries were fraudulent. They were the only primaries were the gop turnout was higher than the dems. Loads of Obama supporters stayed home thinking the vote wouldn't count.

Clinton has mislead the voters of Michigan. First in New Hampshire saying it wouldn't count now saying it should count.

Now Clinton wants a new primary where all the dems and independent Obama supporters who voted in the republican primary because Obama wasn't on the ballot, now they can't vote.

The Obama supporters who now can't vote because they voted in the republican primary to pick the weakest gop candidate because they were told the dem primary was meaningless. To have a vote where they can't vote is an outrage.

Add in the fact that Hillary wants this primary when all the college campuses are empty. Not only will University of Michigan and Michigan State be empty of students on june 3rd but it will be empty of support staff, professors. These university towns are crucial to Obama.

Hillary wants a new election without Obama democrats and independents being allowed to vote and with college campuses empty.

Hillary is the one that isn't being honest and holding up a fair election.

Let Obama's supporters who voted in the gop primary vote and have the election when colleges are still in session.

sarasoon - you are misinformed... Clinton made a request to audit the caucuses and she has every right to do so considering all the evidence and reports of wrong doing by the voters as well as the improbable result... i wont bother arguing the point just thought i might inform you of the real truth instead of Obama camp or RNC spin

From what I read on the TX case, the state is refusing to reveal the tallies... ie. they wont let her verify the caucus votes were valid... i have no doubt that there will be lawsuits filed by citizens and organizations... could she file one? certainly... we are a nation of laws... refusing to allow a candidate to examine the caucus results is the same as refusing a convicted person the right to poll the jury

Clinton is the one playing unfair.

Clinton wants this decided by superdelegates.

Clinton says superdelegates should be able to overturn the will of the people.

Clinton says she can go after Obama's pledged elected delegates. Then her aides deny and Clinton still repeated the assertion the next day which the media didn't pick up.

Hillary in October on NPR in New Hampshire said Michigan's delegates wouldn't be seated and it didn't make a difference whether she kept her name on the ballot.

Hillary thought it would be over on super tuesday. Then later after the fake elections in michigan and florida she calls them fair votes.

Hillary is an outright liar. She flip flops so much she has shown she is incapable of making decisions. Look at how she has managed her campaign she is no manager.

Steve-I beg to differ. Obama isn't doing so good lately. I guess we're going to have to go all the way now, don't you think? And I would add that super delegates, as much as I truly hate this democrat stupidly that should go by way of the dinosaurs, are a set of rules belonging to the dark ages. Yet we're stuck with them. Only democrats can create a mess like this. "We can't even run a decent primary. How can we possibly run a nation?" I heard on Fox tonight.

KP-How is DCVoter splitting the dems? What vicious posts? I'm curious?

What a selfish man.
He knew he is going to lose in MI & FL.
Now,,,FL already rejected.
He always asks for help. Pelosi is doing it now.
Sound like mafia to me.

KP,
Somehow you seem to think that disenfranchisng Florida and Michigan will be perfectly OK in the world of Democratic politics. It doesn't work quite so fairy-tale like my friend. I guarantee you if the Democratic Party chooses to ignore my Democratic vote then I will not hesitate to switch to a different party so my vote will count. The Republicans can only hope that the Democrats are that stupid.

Obama wants us to understand the good reverend but not the wishes of the voters in FL and MI? What double standard are you talking about?

Irma-You mean everyone else is mean but not the good reverend? We didn't befriend the guy, Obama did. We didn't say G D America Obama's spiritual adviser did. We didn't put Obama in this position he now finds himself in, Obama did.

Senator Obama is not disenfranchising any voter. Florida and Michigan voted. The voters understood it would not be counted so many of them voted in the Republican primary or did not vote at all.

Again, this is the states that made the decision on behalf of their voters not to change the primary dates when they were told their votes would not count. They were told they would be stripped of their delegate voting rights. How much plainer can the language be???

You know I always wondered about how good citizens could become vigilante mobs. This forum shows how perfectly. You take a few full-time rabble rousers and let them work up those who have a problem thinking for themselves but no problem repeating wrong information and then call the other bunch un-american or whatever name is needed and then keep it up until the crowd becomes a lynch mob.

That is the ugliness many of you people project. Then you have the gall to judge Reverend Wright or anyone else? You wonder why we have problems in this country? Look in the mirror.

Steve,
I'm ROFL. We should not do a Michigan re-vote because Daily Kos was so stupid as to tell people to vote for Romney? What kind of Democrat tells people to vote for a Republican? That is a pathetic thing to do, no intentional offense directed at our wayward friends the Republicans (this time only).