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New Dem Wave Cresting for Obama
March 31, 2008 2:10 PM
ABC's Z. Byron Wolf reports: When Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for President today, she buttressed his lead in a small but interesting subset of the already exclusive club of Democratic superdelegates: the Democratic New Wave.
Democrats retook the Senate in 2006 when they elected six new members and replaced a Democratic-leaning Independent from Vermont with another Democratic-leaning Independent from Connecticut. They lost a member in Joe Lieberman, but he still votes with them in all issues that don't have to do with the Iraq war and Indy Joe is supporting John McCain for President.
It may not be the largest sampling of lawmakers, but in the subsection of superdelegates, Sen. Obama has a lead over Sen. Clinton.
In fact, of the five new Senate Democrats that took office in 2004, only Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., has endorsed Sen. Clinton. Democratic Sens. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, and Bob Casey of Pennsylvania have all backed Obama. McCaskill has been one of the most vocal supporters of Obama's campaign and Casey stumped through Pennsylvania last week with Obama. The all-important primary there is the next battle in the protracted Democratic nomination fight and Casey hit the trail with Obama even though polls show Sen. Clinton with a substantial lead in the Keystone State.
Democrats, under a road map drawn by Clinton supporter and New York Democrat Sen. Chuck Schumer, made a point of recruiting moderate candidates in purple or even red states like Missouri, Pennsylvania and Virginia. It was part of a move back to a big tent sort of platform; McCaskill of Missouri opposes most Democrats where it comes to immigration. Casey of Pennsylvania is pro-life.
It is important to note that while Obama has a slight lead among New Democrats in the Senate, Clinton still has time to make up the deficit. While McCaskill is with Obama, the other poster boy for the New Democrats is Sen. Jim Webb, a former Republican and Reagan cabinet secretary. Webb may be necessarily uncommitted. He has been rumored as a possible running mate for either Clinton or Obama (Webb says he isn't interested in being Vice President). But Obama campaigned for Webb in 2006.
Liberal Democrat Sherrod Brown of Ohio and independent Bernie Sanders of Ohio also remain uncommitted, though as an independent Sanders is not a Democratic superdelegate.
In the House, another notable New Democrat, Rep. Heath Shuler, D-NC, is according to some media reports going to go with Obama, although those reports are unconfirmed. Shuler is notable because he comes from a conservative district and got elected only after distancing himself from Democrats on issues like immigration.
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How many other SUB sections of superdelegates are there? In all the parts of this race that matter, Clinton can win. Let the voters of Pennsylvania and the rest of the primaries have their votes. Then let the Michigan and Florida votes count, or revote. In this election, that is what counts most for the success and continued life of the Democratic Party. If regular voters cannot have their votes, who in the h---cares about the votes of superdelegates!
Posted by: georgia | Mar 31, 2008 2:21:50 PM
I know this... if the votes in FL and MI are not allowed by the DNC then Barack Obama will NOT get our votes in November!
Posted by: OpusRooster | Mar 31, 2008 2:28:19 PM
As long as the media plays favorites.
The DNC playing GOD and screwing the people.
The super delegates playing Political fixer.
The Democratic Party loses.
If Obama is on the ticket, everyone is voting republican.
Shame they DNC are pushing voters away, and telling them the people do not matter.
A vote for America is a Vote against Obama
Posted by: seah | Mar 31, 2008 2:31:52 PM
Looks Like Obama is planning a Slow March to the Sea with an arrival date somewhere around the beginning of June.
There will be a new super delegate added each day to Obama's totals and the magic number will be eventually obtained.
Hillary's only hope will be to burn down her party to keep the nomination away from O.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 31, 2008 2:34:51 PM
The biggest dilemma the Dems have is not the back and forth between Hillary and Obama, but not allowing Fla. and Michigan's votes to be counted. If that is not settled before the convention, all heck is going to break loose.Moreover, if these votes are not counted, Obama will never get my vote.
Posted by: Joan | Mar 31, 2008 2:38:22 PM
The entire process with this election should wake up Americans, along with all the crime and resigning going on at the Federal level! No media coverage or no open door at the White House for truth, fairness, or a true democracy being upheld. RALPH NADAR 08 for We THE PEOPLE, stop this unjustifiable, inside control. Obama, Clinton, and McCain are the current system, Nadar is for us, the people. Urging all to look at how to end this power in the White House.
Posted by: regionfive | Mar 31, 2008 2:45:31 PM
Although I am supporting Obama, I believe that the Democratic Party will emerge stronger by Clinton continuing the fight. The biggest weakness the Democrats have had is the lack of solid, forged, identity. I have accused them of being Demopublicans for years. Always taking a position just left of the Republicans. This is a fine strategy if you are angling to capture the moderate middle. When the Republicans went right so did the Democrats. All of a sudden the silent majority in the middle couldn't discriminate one party from the other. So, Hillary, keep up the fight all the way to the Convention. The fight will lead to a stronger and more meaningful platform for the Democrats to take forward.
Posted by: BooMan | Mar 31, 2008 2:47:12 PM
This is just more effort to try to force Hillary Clinton out of the campaign. Come on Pennsylvania voters move substantially for Hillary and get this back on track!
Posted by: raf | Mar 31, 2008 2:47:55 PM
You guys havent figured out yet that 90% of the news the liberal media pumps out daily is just more Obama brainwashing?
Cant people think objectively and understand what is really happening here?
Obama cannot and will not win the general election.
However, Pelosi, Kerry and Kenney cannot and will not accpet another Clinton administration. This is what this has always been about.
Posted by: tomdavie | Mar 31, 2008 2:48:51 PM
How can one stay loyal to a Party candidate when the candidates have not stayed loyal to the Party?
Posted by: regionfive | Mar 31, 2008 2:50:31 PM
tomdavie,
Obama will win the election in a landslide. The only brainwashing going on is that Clinton still has a chance at winning the nomination or that this is a close race.
What is a fact is that if a Clinton is on any ticket, its game over for the Democrats, we lose the Presidency, the House and the Senate. All this progress for nothing.
Posted by: Stephen | Mar 31, 2008 2:53:22 PM
What is it with Florida always screwing up our democracy? Where were these sobbing Floridians when the DNC told them if they decided to move up their primary that they'd be shut out of the convention? You folks should have fought the move up of the primary. C'mon, we need Florida Democrats to wake up and participate in the country's affairs. Get your head out of your *** Florida!
Posted by: madintheUSA | Mar 31, 2008 2:54:05 PM
madeintheUSA, the current system is screwing up America, not Flordia. Suggestion, don't vote for the current system, which is Rep and Dems, they are the current screw ups. Take a look at the alternative, Nadar just may win me over prior to Nov., God Bless USA
Posted by: regionfive | Mar 31, 2008 2:56:40 PM
What is the difference between Hilliary, McCain or Obama. Expansion of government: same. Continuation of war be it Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq or Iran: same. Global carbon tax: same. Bailouts of corporate criminals with no prosecution, while you can't file for bankruptcy: same. Government spying to find "homegrown terrorist" who own maps, read the constitution, or are "white al-Quaeda": same. Wake up folks, your fighting over which dictator gets to rule over you. What's all the fuss about. Either way you LOSE. So please, get off the chat rooms, go to work, save what money you can. And take care of your family. Because NONE of this media induced drivel has ANY effect on your life! The best thing you can do is turn off the tv, read a book, or educate yourself, as to what is going on in the world outside of private controlled, corporate, tax exempt media, military, industrial empires.
Posted by: cba | Mar 31, 2008 3:05:13 PM
It's all about the economy and the general election. Republicans will have a field day with Obama in Nov. if he gets the nomination. Wright, Rezko and Emil Jones are bad news for Obama. I can see the republicans coming already.
Posted by: ken | Mar 31, 2008 3:10:30 PM
regionfive, NADER is a spoiler, he is running for himself and will not get the attention of any media at this point in time, he is a masked republican and is for the republicans and want to put another republican in the White House after WBush, what a shame. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | Mar 31, 2008 3:16:28 PM
I never would have thought that we are so stupid and naive - So many are being told Barak is the answer to everything - he is not - he is the beginning of trouble, he is a calm spoken radical who believes the crap that Rev Wright preaches day in and day out... His wife is an educated women who hates all non blacks..... Our government is in serious trouble if this guy gets the presidental nomination. He will run this country into the ground with his radical b.s--- We are all equal - everyone of us americans must demand the same oppourtines so as we will be equal.How many poor americans fight by education to get ahead, and how many poor americans don't bother to get out of the poor life? Each and every human being has to make a choice - daily choices and stand by their choices, should I be hindered because a person who is in the same situaction as me chooses to make a different choice and it leads to that person jail and me i am moving to the JR college.Get with it people we make our own mistakes and our own greatness.
Posted by: Cathy | Mar 31, 2008 3:21:16 PM
tomdavie is right. If Hillary gets the nomination then this nation will have a sea of disillusioned young and young at heart voters. These new voters are the new energized base for the Democratic Party and hopefully for a united America. Talk about throwing someone under the bus. And for what? So we can have the first women president? To satisfy the ego of Hillary and Bill? To prevent some backlash from donors? I don't buy Hillary’s electability argument and I believe most other people don't buy it either. I am a Republican who worked hundreds of hours for Barack Obama as an unpaid volunteer in Texas. We need to go further than no White America and Black American. We need no Republican and no Democratic America. Setting up the two party systems is the biggest hoax to divide a nation, to meet political agendas. I also feel that people see someone in Barack Obama so different from the typical sorry politician. They don’t want anything to scr*w this up, like cut-throat politics.
Posted by: Radmanaustin | Mar 31, 2008 3:23:42 PM
Georgia,
Everytime we approach a swing state which Obama clearly doesn't stand a chance in, Obama Zombies start raising a cry for Hillary to drop out. The Democratic elite, led by the senators from the two coasts clearly are aiding and abetting this situation.
I agree with you, let the voters vote and we will decide who is the victor, not the pundits, not the Beltway elite.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Mar 31, 2008 3:25:45 PM
Georgia,
Why do you think Michigan and Florida should count? Just because you want Clinton to win even by fraud? Why did you not advocate that Michigan and Florida count before the start of the race? Only when Clinton is losing then you folks suddenly want Michigan and Florida to count badly!! Some of you really embarass Americans.
Posted by: kool | Mar 31, 2008 3:27:10 PM
Who is to blame for the Michigan and Florida mess? I have read many articles who put the blame on the shoulders of the Florida Democratic Party leadership, but I want names. (I'm not from Florida or Michigan, but if I was, I would want my "leadership" changed immediately!)
Posted by: Marilyn | Mar 31, 2008 3:35:12 PM
not only can obama win the general election he's a shoe in.
mccain is an old man with old ideas and a war on his back.
Hillary is basically mathematically eliminated and has proven herself to be a bold faced liar.
obama is the hope for the future. deal with it!!!!!
Posted by: phil alegata | Mar 31, 2008 3:35:25 PM
If Obama get in, my vote is for McCain
Posted by: Yolanda Diaz | Mar 31, 2008 3:41:32 PM
I guess all of Clinton voters posted here. Where your the only person on the ballot that is not an election it is a yes or no and 44 percent said no in MI. Clinton did fund raisers in FL so in a way she campaigned there even though nobody else did. Neither could count without a full do over. MI tried to say only the ones that voted Dem Primary could vote in the revote when a lot of voters went over to vote for Romney. Personally you tweleve can vote for McCain and Obama will still carry close to 70 percent. Hilary would carry maybe 20-35 percent and we would have a Bush third term. Your empty threat of switching party doesn't scare anyone! One big note is that Hilary can't even run her primary finances and owes millions of unpaid bills and you want her to be in charge of the US finances. I will just say if it happend we will be looking up to the Great Depression and say they had it good!
Posted by: haydenlh | Mar 31, 2008 3:44:35 PM
DO NOT BLAME Obama for what has happened in Michigan and Florida...it is your own fault. Rules are the Rules. It has nothing to do with him.
Posted by: becky | Mar 31, 2008 3:44:38 PM
OPUSROOSTER
I AM GLAD YOU ARE A TRUE DEM. CONGRADULATIONS. I SEE YOU DONT LIKE TO PLAY BY THE RULES EITHER. I SEE YOU AND THE CLINTONS FEEL THE SAME WAY. OH WELL THE PARTY WILL SURVIVE WITH OUT PEOPLE WHO THINK IT BELONGS SOLELY TO THEM. HILLARY IS ON HER WAY OUT.
Posted by: LAUEPOW | Mar 31, 2008 3:47:01 PM
It's mathematically improbable she will overtake Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in pledged delegates, and her campaign has left a trail of unpaid vendors all over the country, with $8.7 million in unpaid debts.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 31, 2008 3:49:09 PM
Thanks to Wright, "I SAW THE LIGHT"! Had I known THEN what I know NOW, I NEVER would have voted for Obama. He has lied and smooth-talked his way into the minds of those who sincerely wished for ---(careful what you wish for)--someone "different".
Will any of the media be brave enough to appear 'racist' and ask him the hard questions? Isn't it important enough?
Posted by: joe | Mar 31, 2008 3:52:16 PM
opusrooster...why are you balming Obama? their own states chose to do this, and they fought again when it was brought up again for re-count. They should can all their representatives for mis-use of power and causing the mess.
Posted by: cindy | Mar 31, 2008 3:52:44 PM
More handwriting on the wall for all to see. Hillary is DOOMED.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | Mar 31, 2008 3:57:36 PM
Joe
In 2 years from now you will be saying i did make the right choice when i voted for him. Just be patient and you be happy that you did .
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 31, 2008 3:59:51 PM
joe, uou can keep bringing up the pastor, but it's not working. Checked the national polls lately. You would find that maybe the lie that came out of Clinton's own mouth did effect the peoples opinion. Most of the people (not you) can see the difference when it comes to honor and decency.
Posted by: Andrea | Mar 31, 2008 4:00:16 PM
Obama hasn't won yet. Oregon voters haven't voted yet. Last time I heard we live in America and have a right to have choices of candidates at this level and not be lead around like sheep and be told Obama is the winner. He hasn't reached the golden mark yet, so why he is the obvious winner. He makes me sick.
Posted by: Kris | Mar 31, 2008 4:01:03 PM
Hillary was not for counting Florida and Michigan votes when she was up in the polls, as evidenced in the many interviews she gave (and I wonder why the media are not pressing this important point); but, now that she is down, she wants to paint Barack as the obstacle, and herself as the only true fighter for the peolple of Michigan and Florida.
Posted by: TK | Mar 31, 2008 4:02:24 PM
The only brainwashing that has been applied to the American people is in concerns that the electoral process outweighs the popular vote. If Clinton and her camp argue that it is an injustice against Democracy to not apply the electoral college and super-delegates as the primary factor of deciding the election; I argue that not valuing the popular vote demeans the foundations from Democracy itself. As representative of Andrew Jackson. As for Florida and Michigan, who were of no interest to Senator Clinton until she noticed she needs them to have any chance of clinching the nomination; I feel for them, however rules are rules, and to have them bent to cater to Senator Clinton is undemocratic to those who followed instructions. The vote was held in realization it would not count, and was not debated until after it demonstrated any gain for her.
Obama is not to blame for Florida and Michigan's misfortune, the local government is. Clinton is using it as a ploy to justify her candidacy.
A candidacy preaching readiness "On day One," when her experience in foreign policy has just proven to be exaggerated if not fraudulent.
The real questions are,
"Where are the tax records?" As well as What happened to Peter Paul? Transparency will set her free, however she does not have the motives to lift the party, rather than herself.
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 4:03:04 PM
georgia
I hope you were screaming from day 1. When your senate decided to ignore what the dnc said. Dont worry Hill plans on getting your delegates if, they dont give them to her she will be on the steps of the Supreme Court. Like you she only likes the rules when they work for her.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 31, 2008 4:03:10 PM
I really do not understand how anyone from Florida or Michigan can be upset with Barack Obama because their votes are in question. The anger and outrage needs to be directed at their primary committees/officials of their state. AND both states also suffered a discounted vote by cutting each vote in half in the Republican Primary also, it just doesn’t seem to matter there since there was not a serious contest going on.
I’ve heard lots of comments on how the votes need to count, but what is the DNC suppose to do… suspend and/or change the rules after the fact? What is the point of having rules then? AND if we change the rules now… then do we change the rules again in 4 years when another state doesn’t like the position in which they get to hold their primary? THEN everyone is unhappy again! How does anyone… individuals, political parties or states learn to play by the rules…. Hmmmm maybe by suffering the consequences when they don’t play by the rules?
If you seat the delegates and split their delegate count evenly between Obama and Clinton, they get to participate limitedly in the Convention and flawed votes don’t get to impact an important election. AND while that might not sit well with everyone who wants their votes counted… it is the right thing to do. You cannot expect rules to change that you blatantly disregard just because you don’t like consequences. Would you expect to do that for your children? Or what if it wasn’t your state… would you be screaming with the same anger to change the rules?
Posted by: cattpam | Mar 31, 2008 4:06:33 PM
Nice reporting, but Bernie Sanders is from Vermont, not Ohio.
Most other senatorial mix-ups would be forgivable, but Bernie Sanders is a one-of-a-kind political hero that could only be elected in the great state of Vermont, which remains about 100 years ahead of the rest of the country on most issues...
Posted by: matt | Mar 31, 2008 4:07:46 PM
I watched an interview with McCaskill on Real Time and Mahr asked her why she was supporting Obama. As is usual with his supporters she didn't really have an answer and then she said it was because of her daughter. She explained her 18 year old daughter had whined and badgered her until she agreed to support him. I was embarassed for her....
Posted by: Firefighter | Mar 31, 2008 4:08:36 PM
I will vote for McCain if Obama get the nomination. NEVER OBAMA!
Posted by: Linda Schon | Mar 31, 2008 4:10:17 PM
who many of you in this blog are parents? when you set the rules for your home do you break them just because your child screams thats not fair you didnt get my vote on placing those rules? well if you change them just because the kids didnt vote on them, you should know that you will probably be visiting the local county jal. children needs rules. just like adults d. if we break them there will be consequences that we will be responsible for.
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 31, 2008 4:11:26 PM
Linda
good for you go ahead and vote for McCain . He wont win.
This is just what Hillary i doing to this party. Divide and conquer. The problem is she will destroy the party before she leaves. She is unelectable
in the national . McCain and all republicans can not wait to sink their teeth into her. If she wins the nom. Over half of the loyal dems will be disenfranchised. there goes the base to the dem part.
Mario is saying who ever wins thee other should be vp. heck no Obama and edwards
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 31, 2008 4:18:02 PM
Why are some of you people so dense. The reason Florida and Michigan should NOW be heard is because of the nature of this particular contest, all the states now seem to have the opportunity to be heard. Originally, when the disqualification was accepted, the general belief was that a nominee would already be selected after New Hampshire (which is often the case) and we wouldn't even need to hear from all the other states. Well, now that that is no longer the case, every American citizen should have an opportunity to vote. Obviously Obama and his supporters don't want Florida and Michigan to vote because he knows he is not favored in these states and vice versa for Hillary. All that aside, the people have the right to vote. Otherwise it will get ugly in November. THE END
Posted by: marlo | Mar 31, 2008 4:18:17 PM
Cathy - how can Obama possibly do worse than George W.? The problem with Clinton supporters is that they are like Clinton herself. They can't fathom that they may not get this nomination so they threaten to walk away from the party and vote for MCCain just as Clinton will drag this out til the nomination regardless of the effect it has on getting a Democrat in the White House. Are you serious? Just because you are losing? It is the most immature, irrational thinking I have ever heard of. Elementary school kids act more mature. Listen, she is a good politician but she is not going to be elected President. And as far as all of those people sayiong Obama will get crucified over Rezko and Rev. Wright, get over it. He's handling it now and will handle it when it comes up. What are the Republicans going to do, bring up the same thing over and over again. It doesn't work that way. Hillary buried herself and didn't run as good of a campiagn. Simple as that. This man will become a great president and in 4 years we will be glad we voted for him. Just watch. Obama 08'.
Posted by: Tim | Mar 31, 2008 4:21:33 PM
i will never in a million years ever vote for the queen of sleeze Hillary.
Its time she learned the world doesnt revolve around her wants and needs.
Posted by: lauepow | Mar 31, 2008 4:27:07 PM
Marlo...
Hmmmm... we are dense? The rules are supposed to change because now the votes count. The whole reason that Florida and Michigan moved up against the rules was so that their primaries would possibly sway the vote. That is common knowledge. We all know why Florida and Michigan moved up their vote. BUT MARLO we all.. including Michigan and Florida knew the consequences of that choice.
So now that it really matters... and in the reality of today if Florida and Michigan had played by the rules their votes might have made a difference... the rules are suppose to change? PLEASE... are you grown? Rules do not change just because you realize that playing by the rules could have been beneficial to you. What a concept!
If I were in Florida or Michigan I would be mad as hell as well... but I would be screaming and yelling at the State Officials to work it out. Cut a deal, spend the money... do whatever you have to because your state officials are the ones who have disenfranchised you.. not any Presidential Candidate.
Posted by: cattpam | Mar 31, 2008 4:28:56 PM
This word is considered to be dirty now...
But...
I am a Liberal
The difference between the Clinton voters and Obama voters education wise,can be summed up in the following ideas.
If Hillary Clinton loses the nomination the supporters of Clinton vow to not vote for Obama and vote for McCain out of spite.
If Barack Obama loses the nomination when the popular vote, delegates, and contests won are all in his favor, I will leave the party.
Having proven itself corrupt after it's initiation from the Republican secession of 1860, and the two thousand election. Both are cited examples of thieving Democracy. I have too much pride to co-operate with a logically and emotionally inconsiderate party.
In its stead, I would vote for either Mike Gravel, or Ralph Nader. I would rather see a candidate who is qualified and has a better approach to fixing my problems, than vote out of spite. And if they get the 5% for funding, it is a bonus.
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 4:30:27 PM
Marlo the people did vote in Fla.
They just get to have their delegats seated at the convention. They broke the rules they need to pay the consequences like everybody else does, Hillary is not above the rules even thou she believes she is above the rule and laws.
Posted by: lauepow | Mar 31, 2008 4:33:09 PM
Marlo - “...every American citizen should have an opportunity to vote.”
Right you are, Marlo, including all those American citizens who stayed home because they knew their votes wouldn’t count in an illegal election. So either have a re-vote, or abide by the DNC rules.
Posted by: Don | Mar 31, 2008 4:33:41 PM
If the superdelegates vote for Obama then they ae not listening to the voters. Shame on them and when their time comes to be re-elected they will be out of a job. I just don't understand what the superdelegates are thinking. Do they ever listen to the people that voted them into office? I will never vote for them again if they go with Obama. What a mess. If Obama is the choice I am voting McCain. How can anyone vote for this man that does not love or care about America. I just don't get it.
Posted by: Barb | Mar 31, 2008 4:34:31 PM
Barb how can you say that the super delegates are not listening to the voters if they vote for Obama. He is ahead in delegates, popular vote and most states won. So how is that not listening to the people. And voting McCain only says you are not a true democrat so go for it
Posted by: moe | Mar 31, 2008 4:38:34 PM
In response to Tim:
Rezko and Reverend Wright are "Skittles" in comparison to the Clinton's Peter Paul scandal. Where she was caught lying under oath on tape, and cheated her way through the courts to be given the opportunity to even run as a candidate in this election.
There is far more dirt on Clinton than the media brings up, they are being far kinder to her then necessary. Obama could bury her on personal attributes, I admire the transparency and the intent to take the higher ground on all scenarios. A president should not be perfect by any means, but they should desire to co-operate and judge without bias for the good of himself/herself and others.
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 4:39:38 PM
All of you who want revotes in Florida and Michigan know full well that those voters will prefer Clinton just by virtue of the fact that, despite signing an agreement as did all the other democratic presidential candidates, she left her name on the ballot. In voting early, the Floridians and Michiganites broke the rules, and then Hillary backed them by breaking the rules, too. Because Obama's name was not on the ballot in either state, as per their signed agreement, he will be perceived by the voters as having ignored those states. Therefore, the DNC should split the delegates equally in both states. It's the only way to ensure fairness. Those states should not have broken the rules and voted early. Hillary, in leaving her name on the ballot in those states, also behaved unethically -- as she tends to do of late.
Posted by: SierraBW | Mar 31, 2008 4:40:05 PM
Barb- With all due respect...
How can you say that with more contests, won and the popular vote it is not democratic for super-delegates to vote for Obama. You are WARPED. The only thing Clinton leads in IS super-delegates, and to say they shouldn't vote for Obama is to negate the argument Clinton has to win the election. Read up sister!
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 4:44:20 PM
Any Democrat who would vote for John McCain because their candidate didn't win the nomination needs to remember why we are at this juncture. Even most Republicans didn't want McCain, but sadly he's their best bet. The GOP can crow that their nominee is already chosen, ready to choose his running mate, and therefore ready for the convention if they want. What they don't really want to admit is -- OF COURSE THEIR CONTEST IS OVER -- THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY WORTHWHILE RUNNING. The Democrats, on the other hand, had all great candidates, any of whom any Democrat would have been proud to vote for. Despite the sourness of the current back and forth between Obama and Clinton, they are two great candidates. The GOP has none.
Posted by: SierraBW | Mar 31, 2008 4:47:11 PM
Barb...
The Super Delegates are protecting their own jobs by supporting Barack. I believe that all the Super delegates realize that there's on way he can win the General election without winning any of the Red States. Obama did not win ANY large states in the primary, so there's no way he will win in November. I think the Democratic Party is only backing him because of his "media darling" status.
Posted by: Eric | Mar 31, 2008 4:47:54 PM
"Un-american","Muslim", even "Woman"...
All rhetoric to distract you from which candidate is more resourceful. It is completely arrogant to claim someone who is running for public office has no interest in the country, especially someone who has a liberal voting record as strong as Obama's.
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 4:48:25 PM
Barb, what planet are you from? Is there a different one where Clinton is ahead in delegates, most states etc? Please let us know about that planet!
Posted by: Andrea | Mar 31, 2008 4:48:35 PM
It seems that over and over the folks who are so hopping mad about Michigan's superdelegates are not from here. Honestly, we knew the score and we knew the rules. And we were not "disenfranchised" - we voted. So please stop asking us to revote, we are not asking you to revote your state. And we are not so silly here to not vote for our preferred candidate in the fall because of some dumb decisions by our legislature. Michigan has been a blue state since 1992 and with our economy in shambles, it will continue to be a blue state.
So thanks again everybody for being so concerned about our welfare here, but it's okay - we're over it, I suggest you get over it too.
Posted by: MIguy | Mar 31, 2008 4:51:19 PM
Are you kidding me Eric?
The states that Hillary won excluding Texas traditionally vote Democratic. To deny his ability to campaign in those states is not an educated statement.
The margin in which these wins happen however can be brought into perspective, however the states that are "Blue" states were close.
Obama has proven he can gain Independents, Republicans, and win "Blue" states when opposing someone with an opposite approach to the country's issues!
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 4:52:51 PM
Word MIguy...
I appreciate some truth on this forum. HAHA
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 4:56:00 PM
Funny isn't it? All of the Clinton supporters hollering about count me count me from Flaorida and Michigan. Obama didn't have the dates moved up and the potential penalties were known to all before they were moved so now that Obama is ahead it is a problem. Where was all of this yelling and screaming when the DNC chair told you what was going to happen and you did it anyway. You got what you asked for. As for the vote for her or him or go replubican that tells me you you people do not care about the issues. You would rather take 4 more years of McCain/Bush politics than vote the party line which either way will get us out of Iraq. Wow ain't America great.
Posted by: r porter/va | Mar 31, 2008 5:01:12 PM
"Posted by: UnfareElection | Mar 31, 2008 4:45:05 PM
Any Democrat who would vote for John McCain because their candidate didn't win the nomination needs to remember why we are at this juncture. Even most Republicans didn't want McCain, but sadly he's their best bet. The GOP can crow that their nominee is already chosen, ready to choose his running mate, and therefore ready for the convention if they want. What they don't really want to admit is -- OF COURSE THEIR CONTEST IS OVER -- THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY WORTHWHILE RUNNING. The Democrats, on the other hand, had all great candidates, any of whom any Democrat would have been proud to vote for. Despite the sourness of the current back and forth between Obama and Clinton, they are two great candidates. The GOP has none"
This entry above is why I AM voting for Obama. Because he is the most qualified, and ignorance like this only sets us back. When we look towards each other and transcend racial, and gender barriers we cannot be hindered from our progress. Change comes from within, and I am strong enough to work with my fellow Americans, because I in many facets envelope the diversity, hard work and ethics that define us as the land of opportunity. As are many people who look to better themselves. This arrogance is not for leaders, but for people satisfied with mediocrity. We should not throw these people away, but include them, as they are obviously clouded as to what America is, and where America can go. Hopefully, we will move forward and progress ourselves, and truly become United States of America...
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 5:04:17 PM
Hillary needs 63% of the vote in each remaining territory to catch Obama without seating Michigan and Florida. She may win Pennsylvania but does have a shot of running the table. Those Michigan and Florida delegates should be split in half. She played unethically and did not take her name off of the ballot like every other Democrat did. If anyone is mad, be mad at the lawmakers of each state. Just because Hillary tried to circumvent the system for her own gain doesn't mean she should be rewarded for it. It will be a shame if she is.
Posted by: Tim | Mar 31, 2008 5:04:30 PM
The DNC, Obama and his supporters could have fixed the mess the Dems are in, by first really working to fix the problem with FLA and MI, instead of blocking all the solutions. They also want Hillary to concede, so they can then make Obama the nominee, seat FLA and MI afterwards in a masquerade of Democracy, to then make those two states feel included, and supposedly give the Dems a chance to win in Nov. How can this be considered by the world community to exemplify an open and transparent elections' process, that can be seen as truly expressing what Democracy really is about, if two of the 50 states don't even have a voice? If this was something we saw of another country, we would be very outspoken in disagreement toward that country as not truly being a valid Democratic process. Fix it now, so it is a real Democracy, rather than later, and only showing an appearance of one.
Posted by: Rotweil | Mar 31, 2008 5:05:17 PM
I have had enough of this, my vote will go to the republicans over this ousting of Hillary and all the democrats jumping on the Obamawagon.
Posted by: Kay | Mar 31, 2008 5:16:47 PM
The conventional wisdom has been wrong all year. I think the ultimate failure in this wisdom is the suggestion that the Democrats have two strong candidates.
You'd have to live in a box to think that. No matter who wins there is a major portion of the Democratic party that will vote against the winner.
The Democratic Party has blown it once again.
Neither Clinton or Obama will win the election. McCain isn't your normal Republican, and he has a large cross-over appeal. The only difference between Obama and McCain...is that OBAMA will say anything to get elected. Just google his different statements at different times!
Posted by: Ben | Mar 31, 2008 5:20:14 PM
Booman, you've just made the point that many of us are waking up to and one that Sen. Lieberman made yesterday - in what will become one of the most important remarks of this election season. He told the audience for "This Week with G. Stephanopolis" that the Democratic Party is no longer the Party of Bill Clinton and Al Gore (remember them, they won!). He said the Democratic Party has been hijacked by the left. I believe it - how else to explain the swooning over Obama and the rush to coronate him BEFORE THE REST OF THE STATES HAVE VOTED! Hillary Clinton represents that "centrist" element of the Party. She's the one that many of us want. If we can't get her nominated - fairly by the way. We'll be moving over to John McCain. Then you can keep the remnants of what was formerly known as the Democratic Party.
Posted by: s. valenti | Mar 31, 2008 5:23:13 PM
Unbelievable - rather than vote for Obama - if he is the legitimately elected candidate, dems would rather vote for McSame. Ok folks, get over your pity party and grow up - McSame will change nothing, it's Bush III. Remember, tax cuts for the rich, wrong-headed foreign policy, conservative supreme court judges. Now cool your tempers, level your heads and start thinking logically. If you do so, you'll stick with the Dems and run, not walk away from the notion of voting for John . Use some sense!!
Posted by: Julie | Mar 31, 2008 5:24:35 PM
The straight talk express is B.S. Ben. I hate to break it to you.
McCain is not a person who has great positions. There are HUGE differences in the directions they have to offer. I know not everyone is consistent, but record wise, one of them goes in my interests. The same way that McCain doesn't. Gravel, Nader, and Obama do. McCain is NOTHING like them and as an Independent I am for Obama, not McCain.
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 5:25:42 PM
I'm so tired of the media promoting Obama. He has no record to evaluate for Presidency. Matter of fact, he is a fake..but I guess it doesn't matter, because the DNC and media will be 'racist' if they don't promote Obama. My vote in Nov will be for John McCain. At least he fought for our country!
Posted by: diane | Mar 31, 2008 5:27:23 PM
Maurice--I don't know you. But if Obama and Wright represent your interests then enough said! You can't argue with crazy people.
The straight talk express is much more alive in McCain than in the Democratic choices!
Posted by: Ben | Mar 31, 2008 5:31:41 PM
I love how people put words into a candidates mouth. Obama never said anything about reparations.
The problem is that people look at the other side as villainous, or judge on personality. Instead of evaluating the candidates and seeing what is in our interest. To say "leftist" is dumb. Liberal is a reference to reform, and George Bush did "A LOT" of reform from No Child, to Patriot Act. It is identifying with the issues not the title. Joe Lieberman is bitter, and hungry for power. His interests never laid with the people so much himself.
Posted by: Maurice | Mar 31, 2008 5:31:43 PM
Weekly Standard points out that: since 2005, Barack Obama has donated THREE times as much as Senator Clinton to Democratic superdelegates:
The study found that the presidential candidate who gave more money to the superdelegates received their endorsements 82 percent of the time. That's based on a review of elected officials who are serving as superdelegates and who'd endorsed a candidate as of Feb. 25.
In cases where superdelegates received money from Obama's Hope Fund but none from Clinton's PAC, Obama got the superdelegates' support 85 percent of the time. And in cases where superdelegates received money from Clinton's Hillpac but none from Obama's PAC, 75 percent backed Clinton.
If 82 percent of the superdelegates are endorsing the candidate who donated more to them, that's indicative of something other than a belief in 'the audacity of hope.' It sounds more like good old-fashioned bribery.
Posted by: carl | Mar 31, 2008 5:33:44 PM
Wesley Weng what you fail to mention has to do with the rules, and what the candidates signed, which allowed for a revote, which Obama blocked, for his own self interest. Apparently wining is more important than Democracy to Obama and his supporters.
Posted by: Rotweil | Mar 31, 2008 5:36:45 PM
Agreed Ben, how many times is Obama going to claim he didn't know something or disagrees with something? Course this is all disagreement AFTER he got CAUGHT.
This NO guilt by association claim is also insane. Of course you worship at a place that shares your beliefs.
Posted by: John | Mar 31, 2008 5:38:58 PM
Ben,
As though every one of your friends are exactly like you. Have the same opinions, are responsible for your actions, and define you as a person...
I am refusing to say that he is not qualified because something his Pastor said, as I refuse to say that Clinton is not qualified because of Peter Paul, or Bosnia. What I am saying is that there is a clear difference in between political and personal life. If you want to bring personal life, people bring of the Clinton scandal. Does that illustrate anything about qualifications? NO.
For starters the "Straight Talk Express"
was talking about Al Qaeda dangers training in Iran. That is not true. "The Straight Talk Express" mentioned being Pro-Life, and switched positio



