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March 21, 2008 10:27 PM

ABC's Sunlen Miller and Sarah Amos report: Sen. Barack Obama's campaign co-chairman, Gen. Tony McPeak, reacted angrily to a comment by former President Bill Clinton today.

Campaigning in Charlotte, N.C., Clinton said, "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country, and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

"Outrageous," McPeak said after an Obama rally in Salem, Ore. "I think it's horrible. ... I think Bill Clinton is, or ought to be, better than that."

McPeak likened the comment to McCarthyism.

"It sounds more like McCarthy," he said. "I was in college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it."

He said that those who know Obama know that he loves America.

"Is this stupid or what?" McPeak asked. "It's a use of language as a disguised insult. We've seen this before. This real clever spin on stuff."

McPeak said he did not know if Clinton's comments were intentional or not.

A spokesman for Bill Clinton, Matt McKenna, had earlier elaborated on the former president's remarks.

"As is indicated by the quote itself, President Clinton was talking about the need to talk about issues, rather than falsely questioning any candidate's patriotism," McKenna said. "He was lamenting that these kind of distractions 'always seems to intrude' on political campaigns. This consistent with his criticism of the 'politics of personal destruction,' which dates back 16 years."

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Now Bill explained what he said, now Obama is going to take it out of context. Obama politics as usual.

Posted by: D | Mar 21, 2008 10:37:03 PM

What is Obama afraid of in Bill Clinton's speech? Did he say Obama doesn't love America? Why Obama is afraid?

Posted by: golfgirlusa | Mar 21, 2008 10:39:09 PM

Funny, I didnt read a slam of Obama into the original statement by Clinton at all. My take was that he thought it would be great if we could focus on the issues. I dont think that is going to happen until after the nomination is decided. That is what Obama is afraid of maybe?

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 10:44:44 PM

This is yet another attempt by the Obama camp to twist the words that come from those related to the Clinton campaign way out of proportion in order to make Obama look like a victim.

If Obama's staffers had listened diligently to other recent interviews with Bill Clinton, the context and meaning would have been clear to them. This is at least the 2nd time in the past week he's said this publically, and the first time he clearly prefaced it by saying both Hillary and Obama are good candidates. He was saying as much here too - two people who love this country but are subject to being pulled off the issues into petty distractions...

Like this. This rant by the Obama camp is a petty distraction.

I'm not as generous as Bill, Obama is clearly adept at deflecting focus from the issues. And with good reason. He has very little substance and no real coherent plan for the future.

And I'd also question whether or not Obama loves this country. Hard to believe with his past and present nefarious associations.

The Obama campaign just doesn't grasp the Bill, and John Edwards last night on Leno - both are trying to help Obama douse the flames. But they keep seeing ghosts and waging imaginary battles with them.

Posted by: Torch | Mar 21, 2008 10:44:53 PM

Bill needs to shut up and go away; Is Hilliary her own "girl", or do national leaders have to ask for Bill in the White House when she picks up the phone at 2 AM??? Well... do they??? Thought so.

Posted by: cba | Mar 21, 2008 10:49:39 PM

obama, we are so tired of your incessant attempts to twist the words of others while demanding that we put all of your crap in context. you have become so predictable as to be boring.

you may or may not be the democratic nominee. you will not be president.

you made the arrogant statement that to know you is to love you (paraphrasing, forgot your precise cocky words). actually, the more we get to know you, the more we can't stand the sight of you.

Posted by: so saddened | Mar 21, 2008 10:50:07 PM

As the campaign rolls out we see that Mr. Obama is just as political, and his team seems even more vicious, than some of his opponents. I read on the Chicago Tribune that when he ran at the very first for the legislature, his team went into the local office of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners and challenged the petitions of his 4 Democratic opponents, one by one, until all of them dropped out. This included a long-time activist, state Senator Alice Palmer who had really made a difference for local people and worked hard for the Democratic party. I wonder what Alice Palmer has to say about "change we can believe in."?

Posted by: Objective | Mar 21, 2008 10:51:38 PM

Obama complained of racism early in the campaign - guess who eventually turned out listeinng to racist rants for 20 years

Now Obama complains that people are questioning his patriotism whenever someone says something completely unconnected to the topic. Maybe he's worried that his anti-national tendencies will also be outed.

Hillary 08!

Posted by: Mahesh | Mar 21, 2008 10:53:29 PM

Well, it's the Clinton 'undertones' pattern that we've come to recognize in her whole campaign, isn't it? Bill's remark comes one or two days after Hillary called Obama 'un-American' with regard to his so-called opposition against a Michigan (one of the now countless Clinton lies, btw).

This pattern of undertones made her lose some important endorsements and super delegates already, and in the end she'll pay for it by a minority of super D's backing her up, after which she will have lost EVERYTHING there was to lose in this race. There's no respect whatsoever for these remarks in the DNC headquarters, so at this stage they are simply examples of the miserable campaign she is running.

She has lost for she deserved to lose.

Posted by: Greg | Mar 21, 2008 10:53:33 PM

We're seeing the last gasps of a failed candidacy. The Clinton campaign is in its death throes, and we're seeing just how classless these folks can be when they don't get their way.

It's time for these self absorbed power mongers to put aside their own selfish interests so the country can focus on the general election and the two candidates. Enough chiding from an increasingly irrelevant candidate that has been defeated.

Posted by: Texas Voter | Mar 21, 2008 10:55:31 PM

cba,
Good point about is Hillary her own girl or does she need Bill to constantly prop her up. I think as a president she would be a real lightweight, and if there’s a silver lining it would be Bill in the White House to make the really important decisions for her.

Posted by: Don | Mar 21, 2008 10:55:54 PM

I loathe Clinton (both of em), but I didn't read much into that, outside of the irony that the Clintons started this crap first.

All I can think of is that Clinton meant Obama and Clinton - where the Obama guy thought he meant McCain and Clinton.

But if anyone knows about how to engage in the Politics of Destruction, it's Bill and Hillary. They wrote the damn manual. So not surprised someone reads things the wrong way once or twice.

Posted by: Blogarama | Mar 21, 2008 10:56:14 PM

Perhaps the way that the media and bloggers have taken Rev. Wright's comments out of context and twisting them. If Bill clinton is the political guru everyone says he is, he knew exactly what he was saying.

Posted by: lynn | Mar 21, 2008 10:59:58 PM

Give me a break- Obama's campaign is a master of spin. Although lately he is spinning so much that he must be getting dizzy because he has to keep clarifying all of his spins.

Hillary 2008

Posted by: te | Mar 21, 2008 11:02:36 PM

Joan - it is obvious that you did not read or listen to all of the comments made by by Bill Clinton.

He specifically named the two people as Hillary and McCain.

Posted by: Jim | Mar 21, 2008 11:02:37 PM

Spouses campaign for spouses. So you think Michelle should not be campaigning for Obama? That probably would have been better for the party and the country since she is the one who started the racial division with her "Black America will wake up" statement. What about her sexist remark about Senator Clinton? Mustve backfired on her since Clinton gained female voters after that. From the data of voters prior to SC, there was no disparity between the races. The only group that appears to be voting based on race is the black voting bloc and Obama is not even black but Michelle wants him to be or she would not have said that. LOL

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:03:43 PM

What interests me is the past tense.

Billie calls Hill and Johnny "two people who LOVED this country".

He's clearly is making a contrast with Barry as someone "who LOVES this country". As we heard Barry say in The Speech.

And I think that everyone who knows Hill can be sure that her love for America is in the past tense indeed, now that the American people by their votes have blocked her road to the White House. Hill will never forgive America for doing so. Don't blame her. It was HER election year, after all. Don't blame her, it's her character gap.

And yet, Billie's remark is a scandal. There's no need to reveal Johnny's and Hill's lost patriotism when nobody was asking Billie what he thought about anything. Billie should have stayed out all his. Billie is the dirty boy.

Posted by: Harko | Mar 21, 2008 11:05:38 PM

Oh wait... back then he was identifying as the AA candidate. What is he identifying as now? A true uniter IMHO works for all races and genders towards common goals we all share. Hmm where did I hear that before? Oh yeah... Clinton said, "Unity for the sake of unity is not my goal. I want to unify the country around meeting big goals."

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:06:57 PM

Here we go again!..I'm no fan of Bill Clintons but these Obama people need to "man-up" and quit being so sensitive. The only way you could take offense at anything Clinton said was to really go looking for something. I just read Clintons quote again to see if I was wrong but there is nothing wrong with what he said. I'll probably vote for Obama but he needs to get a staff with some thicker skin and as I said, take what someone says at face value and quit looking for some hidden meaning or innuendo Ridiculous!

Posted by: Scott Sanford | Mar 21, 2008 11:07:32 PM

I'm not sure maybe the Obama camp is WRIGHT. NO, don't think so!

Posted by: D | Mar 21, 2008 11:07:45 PM

Sick of - I agree that was all stupid but blame the right people, that was the RNC, Republican Party, and Ken Starr making a private matter public.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:08:07 PM

Hear hear. Why does everyone always slam on Obama? He is a courageous man.He got endorsed today by one of the most important super deligates today. hillary and Bill need to setlle down and stop undermining the citizens against Obama. He is a phenominal and they cannot change that. The super delegate supported that today. The word will be in a lot oh hostile environment if Hillary make it to the white house. The lady has a terible attitude. She is always fighting obama for his stability. She cannot stand the fact that Obama has got the super delegate of Bill's freind who flew to watch the super bowl with him. Does that tell you something world. It really look like an insult when your long time friend does not endorse you to be president. It is a power that frienship is friendship and politics is politics. Bill want to get in the white house so he can do his tricks again with whoever. If you know what I mean.Bill is a nasty minded man political and his personal life. Hillary is right behind him. Dirty, dirty. My vote is for Obama and I am from North Carolina. I will be sure to vote for him. May May. i have great influence on my friends and will encourage them to vote for Obama.May God Bless obama and his campaign. Go Obama.

Posted by: Wanda | Mar 21, 2008 11:08:41 PM

This again is yet ANOTHER example of someone from the Obama campaign taking any angle POSSIBLE to take anything Bill Clinton says out of context. Its a joke, but nobody is laughing anymore. Obama is unelectable.

Posted by: tomdavie | Mar 21, 2008 11:09:44 PM

Sick of Clinton: Only because the media and the Clinton haters were obsessed with bringing a great President down. What about JFK and Marilyn Monroe, that was OK though, a little wink , wink, and JKF hung with Sinatra and mobsters, again wink, wink. We learned in the end, that Bill's indiscretions did not hurt his Presidency, or all the good that came out of it.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 21, 2008 11:10:16 PM

Well here is what ws posted earlier today on this very Blog. So Now I have to ask is ABC pulling our legs. Just Click on Campaigning in Carlotte NC in blue above. It fdose sasy that Bill Clinton was talking about A contest between McCain and Clinton in November.


March 21, 2008 3:28 PM

ABC News' Sarah Amos Reports: Former president Bill Clinton became the first Clinton of the Democratic primary election to visit North Carolina Friday, speaking to about 80 veterans and their families at a VFW hall in Charlotte, NC.

Clinton was nearly an hour late for the invite-only, stopping at a restaurant across the street to have a garden burger and talk with patrons. Seeming a bit more tired than usual, Clinton gave a short speech focused heavily on veteran's rights and the economy.

Clinton made the argument that come November, his wife is not only more electable, but that a general election race between soon-to-be Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., would not get caught up in the "other stuff" that takes over elections.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country and people could actually asks themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics," Clinton said.

Clinton also continued to play up Hillary's chance to win the popular vote come June.

"She would be the best for veterans, the best commander and chief the best for the economy and is the most electable. If North Carolina votes for her, she will end up this process with more popular votes and I believe she will be the nominee of the party and the next president. It is all up to you," said Clinton.

When asked about the "other stuff" Clinton was referring to, Bill Clinton spokesman Matt McKenna told ABC News: "President Clinton was talking about the need to talk about issues, rather than falsely questioning any candidate's patriotism." He was lamenting that these kind of distractions "always seems to intrude" on political campaigns. This, McKenna said, is consistent with his criticism of the "politics of personal destruction," which dates back 16 years.

Clinton made no mention today of New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson's endorsement of Obama today, who said that despite his long friendship with the Clinton's he believed Obama's candidacy was historic, and touted his 2002 opposition to the Iraq war, and said it's time Democrats stop fighting amongst themselves and join together to fight McCain. Richardson served as Secretary of Energy in the Clinton administration.

Posted by: Thinking | Mar 21, 2008 11:11:29 PM

Obama has an endless deck of race cards to play.

Posted by: kmkmkm | Mar 21, 2008 11:12:01 PM

I agree with Mr Clinton when he says "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country, and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." The problem I have with this statement is that he and his wife can't seem to grasp that many people are asking themselves who are the people that are promoting "all this other stuff" and the answer to that question, at least for me, is in his statement. Your politics Mr Clinton will hopefully never have to be intruded on ever again.

Posted by: cali | Mar 21, 2008 11:13:03 PM

See, I can make up stuff and call them facts too..lol

Obama is desperately jealous of Bill Clinton, because Bill is something he will never become. A great 2 term President who gave our country a peaceful and prosperous 8 years. If Obama gets in Al-Queda will be ringing your door bell like the Jehovah Witnesses looking for converts and donations..lol

Posted by: Jay | Mar 21, 2008 11:21:27 PM

It seems really silly to have all of this acrimony with two candidates who basically agree on everything. I wish the superdelegates would all just declare and then let this thing play out in the states. By the way, there's no point to a Michigan revote because the required rules would only allow the same people who voted before to vote again. It's a waste of time and money as there is no reason to suspect people would change their votes.

Posted by: MIguy | Mar 21, 2008 11:26:02 PM

As of today, there are exactly 90 days until the last state convention for the voter's delegate allocation. There are 179 days until the democratic nominee is selected. Until then, unless a candidate steps out for whatever reason including a political meteor, the race is on! (I wonder if anyone is keeping track of the blogging stats.)

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:26:37 PM

do you really think with all the recent revelations of Obamas character and judgement, lies, that he is truely electable? I'm not seeing it.

Posted by: D | Mar 21, 2008 11:29:05 PM

People are so thin skinned in this campaign including Air Force Generals who are supposed to demonstrate bold leadership. As the saying goes, you are judged by the company you keep. A self fulfilling profecy?

Posted by: Eric | Mar 21, 2008 11:29:13 PM

Bill Clinton has deeply damaged his legacy during this campaign.

Posted by: ElodieStClair | Mar 21, 2008 11:29:16 PM

MIguy - I hear ya, but Obama is the one who refused to accept a solution so now the courts will decide that one. I dont know if I agree with the SDs endorsing now for a couple of reasons: the trial is not over (there may be other things come out that could influence their vote) and their official votes are not cast per the rules until the convention. Anything can change as we have seen already with SDs moving between candidates. Nothing prevents the moving back and forth.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:30:34 PM

Again, stick to FACTS. I could say one candidate or another COULD win 100% of the remaining delegates. I COULD happen.

See? I can weakly and pitifully play that game too. I just choose to look at what has transpired and I just choose not to indulge in fantasy. I could say I will be the pitcher for the Cubs on Opening Day. I COULD say that. Now, reality dictates....

Posted by: Texas Voter | Mar 21, 2008 11:33:27 PM

Heck, Obama won't even wear a flag pin because it's a symbol... he's so patriotic, but we ask young men to serve and die for that symbol. What does that tell them. What kind of an example is that out of a man who wants to be Commander and Chief?

He should just be quite.

Posted by: John | Mar 21, 2008 11:36:01 PM

Actually this quote is even WORSE when placed in context. Clinton nammed Hillary and Mccain as his "two people" in the portions before this. ABC, how about updating the post?

Posted by: BP | Mar 21, 2008 11:36:17 PM

@DCVoter: Hate to revisit courts and elections - brings back too many memories of the craziness of 2000. I understand your point about the superdelegates, but how about an anonymous tally showing where they stand. They can change their vote at the convention if they like. If 80% are for either Clinton or Obama, it puts a lot of this to rest. If it's 50/50 then the states will decide things. If either of them does or says something completely unelectable (which McCain seems to be desperately trying lately) then it'll get hashed out at the convention, right?

Posted by: MIguy | Mar 21, 2008 11:36:42 PM

Texas Voter, I am a huge Cub fan, and you could probably make the team, but please, about those facts. They are the facts as you want us to believe them.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 21, 2008 11:37:21 PM

ALL of the numbers are projections not facts until the convention. Normally, the variations dont matter but this year the race is too close and it all matters. Pledged delegate allocations are not final until June 29. The SDs can change camps anytime they want to until that time. Both camps, all the media sites, and all the pundits are simply projecting.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:37:28 PM

Jay,

Do you follow the news now and then? The point is, you see, that the votes in FA and MI don't count. Two months ago it was your girl Hillary who even stressed the point that they, quote, "wouldn't count for anything". You get that? Besides, she put her signature under a statement that these votes wouldn't count.

Btw, in an open MI revote (as rejected by that same girl, Hillary) Sen. Obama might very well have won the state. The last MI poll showed a tie. I guess that's why your girl rejected the idea. For the rest of the MI disaster your girl's big friend Eddie Rendell is responsable.

Jay, did you read the "The Clinton Myth" article over at Politico, where staff members of her campaign admit she has a 10% chance of winning the nomination left? Well, believe me, these are the optimists.

It is over.

Posted by: Matho | Mar 21, 2008 11:38:43 PM

All the pledge that the candidates signed was not to campaign in FL & MI and they didn't (except for the Obama TV ads). They could both fund raise and both of them did.

Posted by: John | Mar 21, 2008 11:42:29 PM

MIguy: unfortunately, no matter what happens between now and then, the only true fact we know, aside from a withdrawal by either candidate (unlikely), is it will be settled at the convention only. It is mathematically impossible for either candidate to be nominated without the SDs. So we might as well site back and wait and enjoy the show. I am keeping track best I can because the numbers game is intriguing for mathematicians.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:43:38 PM

NEWS FLASH for Matho and Texas!!!!!!

MI and FL outcomes are still undecided. If you want to check the real news and not just some blog postings, research it. We are waiting for court decisions and DNC meeting outcomes. There are rules and processes and laws to be followed.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:46:11 PM

Actually, the Cubs are going to be pretty good this year, I'm VERY hopeful (Then again Cubs fans always are.... until the season starts).

Look, Pelosi and the rest of the SD have stated repeatedly they would not steal the election from the leader of the pledged delegates, whoever that is. They have stated, and rightfully so, that doing that would harm the Democratic Party, possibly irreparably.

My hunch, and it is ONLY a hunch, is that the SDs will put an end to this very soon. They see their top candidates bloodying each other while McCain rises in the polls. They're not going to sit on the sidelines and allow that to happen. Now that Richardson has endorsed Obama, I suspect other will follow soon.

For the Democrats, it's time to concentrate on the General Election. If they don't soon, they will lose in November.

Posted by: Texas Voter | Mar 21, 2008 11:46:37 PM

LOL MIguy: valid points... we shall see if it is a real election or a landslide against Obama if he gets the nom.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 21, 2008 11:48:02 PM

Matho, I read every political news and blog piece everywhere on the net. Don't be disillusioned and buy into the Obama rhetoric. The Politico and Huffington are just blogs and the most hateful anti-Clinton blogs on the net. If you use them as your source, you have already received slanted and tainted news.
The Michigan debacle is shoulda, woulda, coulda, but the DNC and the courts will do the right thing and make ALL the votes count. You can bet on that. If Hillary had only a 1% chance , she is a fighter and she would still fight on. I admire her for that stance above all.
Obama wishes she would have dropped out before Texas & Ohio, but he wants everything to go his way, and have everyone just swoon and hand him the nomination and the presidency. He is like a spoiled 4 year old, and unfit to lead our great country out of this dark and difficult time.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 21, 2008 11:48:13 PM

Will the General be fired this time around after making sexist comments about Hillary? Is this CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN?

Posted by: Eric | Mar 21, 2008 11:48:17 PM

No one has to twist Bill's words. He is intentional not being clear and sending misleading/double messages.. You think Bill it that stupid he does know what he is doing once again. Dirty politics no twisting necessary.

Posted by: goodwins | Mar 21, 2008 11:48:46 PM

@DCVoter: Agreed. Although I was sick of the debates, it's probably a good idea to restart them rather than these ad hominem attacks.

Again everybody, your candidates are on the same team, with the same goals. Your candidate has already won because if they don't get the presidential nomination, they will be a powerful voice in the Senate. Ultimately, the latter may be more powerful in the long run!

Posted by: MIguy | Mar 21, 2008 11:49:55 PM

DCVoter: "is it will be settled at the convention only"

well - let's agree that it will depend on what the super delegates do or don't do between now and Denver. Most DNC hotshots seem to be pretty sure that the Democrats will have their nominee in June. I don't think there'll an opportunity for HRC to take it to the floor. Plus, it would be end of her career in politics.

In Quinnipiac's poll today, in the State of New York Obama does already slightly better against McCain than Clinton does. Amazing, isn't it?

Posted by: Matho | Mar 21, 2008 11:51:02 PM

"This election will be all over by Super Tuesday", that is what Hillary Clinton, said even befrore the candidates began to compete in Iowa. Even when before Iowa,it was determined that Florida and michigan would not count; Clinton said it would not matter, because it would all be over by Super Tuesday; so said the candidate with the most experience. Where is the experience. She could have displayed it in 2003, but she gave Bush a free pass to Iraq. She's never balanced a budget and hell until recently, couldn't even balance her own campaign's checkbook. She did not count on and no one counted on Obama. Look at her home state of New York; she couldn't even win by 20% When he won 12 in a row, instead of displaying sportsmanship, she showed lack of character. not even acknowledging the victories of her opponent. She barely won the Texas popular vote and still obama came away with more delegates. Now, the way Texas splits ther delegates is wrong. Funny how no one said anything before, when her husband ran for President 16 years prior. Now she wants us to overlook the fact that she WILL NOT win pledged delegates, WILL NOT win the popular vote; but state a case that she is the one who should receive the nomination. She could not even convince Bill Richardson, a long time supporter of Bill Clinton, to endorse her. Now we see a candidate who is once again desperate, and is trying to use patriotism to say she is better than Barack. Correct me if i'm wrong, but when Bill Clinton was President, Vietnam veterans didn't exactly embrace the draft dodger. And yes, deeo in the Clinton campaign is hoping that the Jeremiah Wright controversy will persuade people to choose her based on fear. What i fear is that we will allow Republicans to return to the status quo, if we cannot put aside our differences. The fact of the matter is, the math is not in Hillary's favor. She is infact running a campaign on hope. HOW IRONIC!!! LOL If Bill Richardson can see it, so will other Super Delegates. If Pennsylvania cannot see it, North Carolina, Oregon and West Virgina will see it. IT is time for REAL CHANGE! Hillary has ran a valiant campaign and women across this nation should be proud of her. But it is time for her to step aside for the good of the country as well as the Democratic party. It is time that we all unite behind Barack Obama!

Posted by: David H Edmondson | Mar 21, 2008 11:51:48 PM

The Obama camp response confirms that Obama is not patriotic. Otherwise, why would they be so sensitive about it.

Did Obama oppose Iraq war bcos he didn't think it is advisable or he didn't want Al Qaeda weakened?

Posted by: Roger Miller | Mar 21, 2008 11:54:20 PM

Jay: I'll bet you anything you want that MI & FL will not be counted as per the flawed elections.

MI didn't even have Obama's name on it. A lot of his supporters didn't bother to vote or voted republican.

If an election was valid without a campaign in either FL and MI, why bother with campaigns at all? All the states should have voted for Clinton last year, and this would have been over.

Anyway. The ridiculous FL lawsuit was thrown out of court today. MI is dead in the water, no pending lawsuit.


FL and MI will appeal to the Credentials Committee with a plan on how to apportion the delegates, but I can GUARANTEE it won't be based on the original votes.

Oh yeah, and the supers from FL and MI won't be seated either. They have nothing to do with the "will of the people".

Posted by: memoryaid | Mar 21, 2008 11:55:33 PM

The reason Obama did not repudiate Wright because of the black voter backlash. The liberal pundits went gaga over his courage. Courage my foot.

Posted by: Roger Miller | Mar 21, 2008 11:56:33 PM

Sorry DavidE. There are over 14 million of us so far and many more yet to vote who will support Hillary until SHE says it's over, not any Obama surrogate, follower or the great messiah St. Obama himself.
Oh and GOTRH. ALL OF YOUR WORDS MUST BE TRUE SINCE THEY ALL ALL IN CAPS>>>!!!AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Jay | Mar 21, 2008 11:56:45 PM

Roger:

By your token, Obama should make a speech and suggest that Hillary isn't patriotic, and then if she or anybody on her campaign complains, that will prove that she's actually unpatriotic and doesn't love this country.

Twisted.

Posted by: memoryaid | Mar 21, 2008 11:58:15 PM

Jay,

When I consider what Obama has gone in a single week of his campaign, and how gets out of that week, I must say he's pretty tough and resistant for a "spoiled 4 years old". And never lost his temper.

His coolness is a very stark contrast with the overheated anger and despair I see in these blogs. And that coolness is just what I'd like to see in a President. And not the hot tempered McCain, and not the 'shame on you!' and crying Hillary. They would both be a disaster at 3 a.m.

Posted by: Matho | Mar 21, 2008 11:58:18 PM

WestCoastMessinger:
Bill may be the Man But He's Not the
Candidate! Or is He!
I have suspected all along that
Hillary's candidacy is an attempt to
circumvent the law prohibiting
third terms for U.S. Presidents!

Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 21, 2008 11:58:37 PM

reagafan:

isn't it funny that Hillary hasn't had to make a speech and clarify how Bill will feature in her administration?

her campaign said "yeah, we realize we'll have to do that, and we'll do it if we're the nominee"

just like they're releasing all their financial info after all the voting is over.

classic.

Posted by: memoryaid | Mar 22, 2008 12:01:32 AM

I truly think btw that without Bill Hillary might have won the nomination.

But.

But without Bill, there wouldn't have a Hillary Clinton in this race.

So there you go.

Posted by: Matho | Mar 22, 2008 12:04:27 AM

Senator Obama, if wearing an american flag lapel pin is not necessary to be patriotic, why did you place eight american flags on the dais while giving a speech justifying the Wright tirades?

You removed the lapel pin to suck up to the america-hating looney left?

Posted by: Roger Miller | Mar 22, 2008 12:04:50 AM

Matho, are you kidding me? Everything Obama has gone through, he brought on himself with his poor judgment, lies and deceit to all of the American people. Without a script and a teleprompter he is a mess. He is manufactured by the media. His coolness and demeanor are all written by his advisers. He is the most phony two-faced, lying politician I have ever seen.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 22, 2008 12:05:01 AM

It's over. Obama will be the nominee.

Richardson knows it. The Superdelagates are getting on the train. More endorsements to come.

The Florida/Michigan strategy ain't happpening. Wheels are turning at all levels. Time to wrap it up and start unifying the party.

Hillary in unelectable. Negatives are rising. Deep resentment for the Clintons is outweighing political calculations on how to get a share of the spoils if she were to win.

Hillary will be a footnote in history. Bill Clinton will be blamed for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The discrediting of this flawed man is about to become complete.

Posted by: Gorgon '08 | Mar 22, 2008 12:05:11 AM

memoryaid:
Yeah and we shouldn't hold our
breaths waiting for those tax returns!
LOL!

Posted by: reaganfan | Mar 22, 2008 12:07:20 AM

Obama is so scared of Bill Clinton that anytime Bill say anything Obama immediately calls it "Racist". What are you afraid of Barack?

Posted by: where the beef? | Mar 22, 2008 12:07:23 AM

I like to think of all the good things people do. Bill Clinton has done more good than bad, but just what has Obama done at all. NOTHING, except listen to a Rev. who seems to hate America.

Posted by: ikkeye | Mar 22, 2008 12:08:44 AM

No Matho - the SDs do not cast votes until the convention. Per the rules (I didnt make them) that is the official time and it does not matter who they endorse or do not endorse until then. Normally it isnt relevant but this time it is.

The DNC hoped to have a nominee after SuperTuesday but Dean was wrong. He then said he hopes to have a nominee by April so the SDs do not have to make a decision and they can seat MI and FL. He then said he hopes to have a nominee by June but now that is not possible without one of the candidates withdrawing which is not likely unles they make a backroom deal. All thte things Dean feared are happening because he is so incompetent. He screwed up the schedules and imposed a penalty against voters who were disenfranchised by the republicans interfering in the democratic schedule. Put the blame where it lies... on Dean and the DNC committees. The voters are not to blame and should not be punished. The remaining voters should also not be disenfranchised by not allowing them to participate. Let the people vote and let the processes work. It will be the most historic convention in history! Jackson et al are just trying to scare people into thinking there will be riots. We are better than that and will not fall for idle threats.

Posted by: DCVoter | Mar 22, 2008 12:09:46 AM

I have heard 56,347 Obama fans say it's over for Hillary, and yet, she is in this until at least June when the last state votes.
The "real" most unelectable in the general is Obama. The typical white folks are leaving him in droves, the Hispanic vote is lost and McCain will destroy him in the general, and as sad as that will be for the democrats, I for one, will never have to listen to that insincere rhetoric of that typical Chicago politician ever again. 4 years of McCain might be worth it.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 22, 2008 12:11:17 AM

Memoryaid:

Bill Clinton talked about two people arguing over issues. Did he say "Obama is not patriotic"? Twisted? Warped is your thought process. Obama equated Geraldine Ferraro with the racist bigot Wright. That is twisted. Think twice before you post an item. Obama looks for implied messages when he accuses people of racism even though he is unwilling to repudiate a racist. This is the same person who wanted Trent Lott and Don Imus to leave their jobs. Obama is the worst form of politician. People are cynical about politicians because of politicians like Obama.

Posted by: Roger Miller | Mar 22, 2008 12:13:17 AM

The only thing that is over is Obama chance to win the white house. Obama judgement has ended his chance ever to win the white house. If he wins the nomination he will be destroyed in the general election. All the Rep will do is play Rev Wright greatest hits over and over and over and over again!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | Mar 22, 2008 12:13:56 AM

Roger Miller. Truer words were never spoken, plus I always like your music.

Posted by: Jay | Mar 22, 2008 12:15:39 AM

As always, the Obama camp is ridiculous. No matter what the Clintons say, Obama-spin will accuse them of racism, distortion, or whatever suits their political fancy. Methinks Obama doth protest to much.

Posted by: Emily | Mar 22, 2008 12:15:53 AM

Hillary caught in 3 LIES today alone.
1: Child Welfair Act - signed by Bill 16 days into his Presidency and had already been finalized. Hillary shows NO meeting or talks on the issue so she did NOT bring it about as she has stated.
2: NAFTA- shows she held 5 meetings/get to gethers to support it....did NOT argue against it other than she wanted her Health Care Plan pushed first.
3: Stated she had to DUCK and run to a waiting car to avoid SNIPER FIRE. Total lie. Video footage shows her and Chelsea walking out of the plane, down a red carpet and accepting flowers from a 6 year old girl.

If you Hillary supporters want to debate REAL issues lets start with these 3..there are others but please explain why your candidate lied about all 3 of the above.
You can scream about Obama but that does nothing to explain these acts of moral lacking in regards to YOUR candidate.
Sooooo if no one can explain them away USING FACTS ONLY then perhaps you might want to rethink your decision.
OBAMA 08

Posted by: Brian | Mar 22, 2008 12:16:09 AM

@Matho: I think you're right about President Clinton hurting her campaign. In some ways, she is suffering from guilt-by-assocation with him.

I think the sad thing about the second point is that she might believe that comment when I don't think it's true. I think some question her standing by him so many times as politically expedient rather than forgiving. (Didn't she say in the early 90's that she wasn't a 'Tammy Wynette stand by your man' kind of person?) She really is a bright person and could have done this on her own. I honestly think if she had separated from him that it would have helped her politically; BUT, that's none of our business and it's tragic that their personal life has played out so publically.

Posted by: MIguy | Mar 22, 2008 12:16:26 AM

People say Obama is not a racist. How do you know? This fellow is still unwilling to repudiate Wright and is part of a racist church.

Posted by: Roger Miller | Mar 22, 2008 12:16:30 AM

Obama taking things out of contex? WHAT planet do you live on? It sure isnt this one. Bill is a racist. He showed it in SC and now he is showing it in NC. One would actually think the man was for the Obama presidency LOL

Posted by: Brian | Mar 22, 2008 12:18:47 AM

Interesting tidbit on how Clinton can't win the race unless she steals it...so now she lies and steals...what a candidate ROTFLMAO

Posted by: Sam | Mar 22, 2008 12:20:09 AM

What about Mr. Obama's "Typical white person" comment? This coming from a person who supposed trascended race right? Obama campaign, including David Pluffe and Daviad Alexrod, now Gen. McPeak knows that they can't stand on Mr. Obama's accomplishments, which is alsmost none, so they have to find something someone said about something, to fuss about...The truth of matter is Mr. Obama is quickly running out of steam. Look at the Pennsyvaia polls, Hillary Clinton is widen her lead now up 17 points over Mr. Obama and his advicers rave run out of ideas. Mr. Obama's supposrt among independents and men are now plumetting.

Posted by: charleschaplin | Mar 22, 2008 12:20:30 AM

The popular vote count should and must include Florida and Michigan. Obama is scared of competing in those two states.

The rule is that these two delegations cannot be seated.

In any case, Kerry, Edwards and