Another proof of political immaturity. And, possibly, arrogance. Such flat statements with no room to wiggle does not a President make. Things change; new things are learned, why would someone so young ever say never? On ANY issue?

He is saying no to a VP because it is all strategy and no truth, as usual.

He thinks that if he agrees to be on a ticket as the VP, then people can safely choose Hillary if they think she is a bit more seasoned in government then he is. So he throws it out that if you want him, he has to be President. Vote for me here cause I won't be around later.

Well, I for one am glad he won't take a VP slot, because his career doesn't even warrant a VP position. His invented resume and self-created history is easy pickings for Republicans. He couldn't take a weeks worth of 2nd grade negative press - can you imagine what this wimp is going to do under a full fledged, we dont give a damn who much you cry, Republican onslaught?

Good for him!! I could not imagine him compromising himseslf to be on the ticket with that nasty evil Hilary Rodham Clinton...

What about the other question? Will he offer the Veep slot to HRC? He may not be running for VP but it looks like she is.

Everyone knows that Obama and his supporters fear that Hillary's divisiveness and ability to inspire, deep, visceral hatred from Republicans and Independents would hurt his chances against McCain. So, Obama is hoping that he can win without facing pressure to have her as his VP.

As for him serving as her VP, everyone knows that she wouldn't have a cold chance in hell without his active support as VP or otherwise. So, if the Super Delegates steal the election for her, she better pray that she hasn't run such a negative campaign against him that his supporters (some of whom increasingly find sitting out or voting for McCain to be attractive by comparison to her) balk at his call to rally behind her, whether or not he's her VP.

Way to go Obama!!! The question does not arise at all. He's ahead in the delegate count. So far, he's ahead in the popular vote, and from all indications that is unlikely to change when all is said and done. If the supperdelegates somehow decides to give this Hillary, we'll see what will happen.

I'm sorry but I don't hear Obama saying that he has entirely ruled out being the VP candidate for Hillary if she should win. What I hear him saying is it is all too premature to even discuss such a subject as there is still a long way to go in this Democratic election nominee process and that as long as he still has a chance at being President he is still going to work towards that goal and not consider anything else at this time. I don't hear him saying in absolute terms that he will definantly not consider the VP slot if that is what things come down to. If Hillary does win the nomination Obama would make a great VP as the two of them complement each others strengths and weaknesses and the two together can better things in America than either one would alone. Their gifts and talents complement each other. They make a good team.

Sorry, I don't trust Barack Obama...he's lied by default regarding his old buddy tony and I've followed reports of the Renko trial and,so far, Obamas name keeps popping up and that leads me to think that there's no smoke without fire.
Give up Obama! You don't deserve the honor of being VP and you certainly wouldn't make a decent President. Let's also not forget Baracks new middle name of "me too"...all he ever says in debates, once Hillary has answered, is "me too,I agree". He's getting a little more rehearsed as time goes on, but there are too many unanswered questions regarding him.
Good luck in the campaign Hillary! I hope the Michigan and Florida voters are recognised too.

It is odd to offer a VP slot to a canidate in the lead? This witch will try anything to win. She is power mad and she really wants to get another shot at looting the WH.

This is it for the Dems, they do not like the country, want to wipe out the armed forces, and have no shame about what they say or do.

I have said early on here in this dialog that he was an empty suit. He is and she forced his to blink. He did and lost he may well win two in a row and could take down PA. however they will not let him win Florida and Mic. will get seated no matter how unfair it is and bang it is a bad day in black rock...

Did I hear someone say where is joe biden when you need him? Dems had the shot with a real smart left winger there he is a good man and very smart. But no an empty suit and the old bag.

It is a shame to watch a good man get passed over for the carbage now up on the stage.

James Cash Kramer

he reminds me of the kid on the playground...if things don't go his way he is taking his ball and goes home...i used to think i could vote for him but i rather not vote at all

he says he won't be a vp candidate to try to salvage his flailing presidential campaign. but we know his record for truthfulness is very, very poor. so we'll see what happens once he loses. personally, i would love to see him turn down hillary - i think the only reason she would offer it to him is out of pressure from that flake, howard dean, and his compadres. but i would hate to have to see obama's face after august. i can barely stand to see it flash on the tv before i change the channel.

Bad move Mr. Obama. You are officially toast going forward. I would support you 100 per cent in 2016. Just not today. Somebody else said it -- political immaturity. Hey, maybe Samantha Power could be VP. HehHeh.

Not true on the popular votes - Clinton is ahead by 5,000.

look, it's just not gonna work. she can't win the nomination unless he loses every contest like 75%-25%. and it's the only possibility for a dream ticket. she needs him. he doesn't. she can't get his supporters. he can get her supporters.

her whole life story goes against his. destroys his. his whole life story makes hers slightly appealing. so, there was a time a dream ticket was warranted. but that's long past. she just can't win and he just doesn't need her.

and to those who say he can't stand the heat, when mccain attacks him, he can punch back, and make mccain look stupid. but when clinton uses the same attacks mccain uses, how do you respond to that? she's a fellow democrat. he just won't bring on all the 90's stuff. so, he's got his hands tied in his back. so don't be mistaken. clinton would commit suicide to see not get the nomination. if she doesn't this time, her career is over. he, on the contrary, is the future of the party. it's against his character and there's just no way he's committing suicide to make sure he doesn't lose. so, that's the difference for all of you dumb enough to think she's doing herself good by tearing the party apart while he's not punching back.

Obama can not have Hillary on the ticket for one simple reason she is to experince to be there, people would defer to her not him. She can offer it to him, it would be a great way to get the experince he needs. But that won't happen, Michelle has told him he can only run once. She has told him she will not go through this again.

PRESIDENT OBAMA!

What an impertinent question to ask Senator Obama about VP slot, when OBAMA IS THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER, and is focus on the Presidency?
Who the hell talks of VP slot when they are running for Presidency?

Seems as if the media has bought into Clintons' childish bluster about the people of Ohio says she 'should be on top', as if the OTHER 49 STATES PLUS TERRITORIES HAVE NO SAY.
Maybe Hilary should try being on top of Bill for a while. That should soften her up. lol

Any VP question should be ask to the Clintons!

Hey "New Yorker", I'm not sure if you are new to the political process, but John Kerry said the same thing about Edwards in the 2004 election, and guess who was the Vice Presidential candidate. If you are a Democrat I doubt you thought that was arrogant. If you did, why didn't you say so? Why the double standard?

As Ohio goes, so goes the election. That phrase has been around in the election business for the last half century. Welcome to the real world.

Di - I live in Chicago and you know so much about the trial, how? Are you a jury member? courtroom observer? The Clintons are superior dirtyfinders - if there was something to Rezko they would have already used it several losses ago. Give your candidate more credit to her craft! The argument that Barack is winning and should consider a VP position with the loser is like Huckabee saying McCain should step aside with his 1,191 delegates and be my VP. This is not rocket science people. You can count this up with my kindergartener's mathematical knowledge, he has more chips and more people watching his chips than her. This concept is worse than the pundits calling for her to leave the race before March 4. I didn't agree with that and I for darn sure don't agree with this crazy theory.

I don't think he's totally ruled out VP, but he needed to say this because Hillary is definitely trying to plant the seed that she'll pick him as VP and therefore you can vote for her and get him as well. Two for one. He absolutely had to knock that premise down, and he did.

Moreover, regardless of what you think about Obama and his readiness to be president, it is the height of condescension for HRC to suggest she'd pick him for VP when he is in the lead after more than 30 states have voted. In fact she has not been in the lead in the elected delegate count at any point during the entire contest.

The article says, "...You won't see me as a vice presidential candidate -- you know I am running for president." Pretty straight forward to me. If I was Hillary and could fairly win, I would look back at him as the dust settles on the kid. Talk about, figure of speech here "cutting your nose off to spit your face". I hope she doesn't even ask him. That is a fighter for you. They are tough. It is my understanding she won in Ohio and They have picked the President since, I believe they local news said, since 1964 or so.

All those who keep yapping about 'experience' aren't bright enough to appreciate that experience can be useful or USELESS if it cannot guide one to GOOD JUDGMENT!

Hilary Clinton has the WORTHLESS KIND OF EXPERIENCE.

The Humiliation Hilary can't even run her own family and satisfy her man, or run a successful national campaign with a humongous lead and ample funds.
Goes to show how much Hilary Clinton's experience has not served her well.

And let's not mention an event as important as Americans young men being sacrificed in the killing fields of Iraq. Hilary Clinton and McCain experience was not backed up with wisdom.

Hey "Bridget", LMAO. Michelle told him he can only run for President one time. Now there's a real commitment to public service. Hey it just occurred to me, maybe Michelle told him that he cannot be VP, so he's passing that along. Hmmm, maybe Michelle is the real candidate here. Let's not rule out Michelle Obama as VP.

Obama will be the next President and Clinton surely won't be on the ticket.

Clinton represents all that is wrong in Washington.Besides , her and Bill have a court date to get ready for.

McCain is just a "token" Candadate , waiting to get run over by the Obama train

Hey "New Yorker", that's about what I figured. You are another two-time George Bush voter, attempting to interfere in the Democratic nominating process. You are spouting emotions, backed by no facts. What is your latest batting average in picking successful Presidents, hmmm...ZERO. Why should anybody listen to you. You are just sore because Huckabee didn't win.

Excellent. By this the delegates will know what they are getting if they reject obama. Now its also the question of who can win without the other candidate as VP!
Good job Obama! Give a big fight, if you go down go with honour!

new yorker ...where was all that good judgement when he made those deals with rezco, just wait and see as the trial continues

Good post, Ravi. I have respect for someone who does analysis, even if I disagree with them. I'm not sure you call painting yourself into a corner as an action of honor, especially in politics, but you are entitled.

Hey "Jim in Oregon", that's no train, it's an Obama choo-choo, and it is running out of steam.

WestCoastMessenger | Mar 8, 2008 12:13:30 AM

When you are running for the Presidency, the focus IS ON THE PRESIDENCY!

All this talk of VP and the like are meant to distract Obama and have him waste time 'off message'.

And he's intent on staying focus, focus on the goal of he and his supporters -- win the Presidency and transform America for the good of ALL Americans.

So you can focus on VP. Obama will focus on the Presidency.
You have no idea how successful proceed towards the goals that makes them successful.

That is why Obama is running for the PRESIDENCY and you are just running off at the fingers. lol

as of now it looks like everything hillary put out there worked..."gots" to know how to play with the big boys

lupercal your numbers are in error... alagbon your numbers are in error...
kc your numbers are in error...

Without MI and FL the numbers are much closer than the MSM leads voters to believe. They are all different because all the delegates and SD's are not committed or allocated yet. They are all playing a guessing game because the last state convention is not until Jun 29 and the SD's dont cast votes until August at the convention. Anything can happen because delegates are not actually bound to the electorate and some will always sway.

Popular vote:
Clinton by 5000

Delegates:
Obama 1124
Clinton 1079.5
Unallocated 343

Surveyed Superdelegates:
Obama 159.5
Clinton 188.5
Uncommitted 348

If Clinton wins 59% of the remaining projected delegates, she will have both the popular majority and the delegate majority but the SD vote is needed for either candidate to get 2025 no matter what. It is very possible that Clinton with the current momentum can pass Obama in delegates. It is statistically unlikely either will get enough pledged to win without the SD's.

As fas as who is "winning" that depends on your definition of most electable. Clinton can win the electoral college without Obama supporters as she has the equivalent of 252 already. Obama cannot win without Clinton supporters because he only has 144 electoral equivalent. The Clinton camp along with many of the senior DNC folks hold that the most electable candidate should become the nominee to ensure a win against McCain. The number dont lie... Clinton is the most electable.

I think when this is all said and done Hillary wink wink Clinton will be wishing she could be the VP candidate when Obama, the Democratic party and the majority of Dem voters will have determined we cannot afford the baggage. Here comes a train pulling into her station now.

"New Yorker", yeah so what. That's part of the political process. Do you think Clinton's job is to make it easy on Obama. Just because the press hasn't given him the usual degree of scrutiny doesn't mean the opposition isn't. He's finally starting to get scrutinized and the cracks are appearing. I agree with another poster, though, he did say it was premature to talk about the Vice Presidency. Hillary and I disagree, she shows that she respects him enough, and that she understands that he would be a valuable participant on her team. If he were smart he would reverse the positioning, but his failure to do that will probably cost him the nomination, in the eyes of the superdelegates. I have no doubt that Hillary will prevail on the popular votes, and that the superdelegates will use this as a basis to select Clinton. I also have no doubt that Obama will be persuaded to accept the Vice Presidential role. I actually want the guy as Vice President and I want him as President when he matures futher.

dang i shouldnt try to type in the dark LOL for those who will likely ask... the reason there are .5 values in those numbers is because some of the entities like Americans Abroad hold 1.5 delegates for the convention

"SE Croft", you are getting your wink winks confused, that's Barack "Wink Wink" NAFTBama. Blame Canada. (Go South Park).

To ALL:
Imagine you are running for office against some well established political candidate.
1. You Won more votes
2. You won more districts
3. But the other candidate got rich districts.

Should you be selected or the established one just because he/she got brand in the field?

HAIL DEMOCRACY!!

This guy is so arrogant.
He promised to people to withdraw the army combat in Iraq within a year.
His senior foreign advicer just resigned and she said it was only case scenenary politic.
What else he lied about?

Um, but you're not ahead the popular vote Sen. Obama. ABC News has the count as:

Clinton 13,575,548
Obama 13,570,501

That means more people have voted for Sen. Clinton. And this tally doesn't include Florida. So similar to the Presidential election debacle when Gore won the popular vote but not the electorate. And we know how that turned out.

I thought Hillary was running for McCain's VP spot.

Hillary Clinton thinks we are stupid - she tries to paint Obama as not ready to be President but she would offer him the VP slot to try and get gullible people to think maybe there will be both on the national ticket

This will never happen - either way
No Obama/Clinton and definitely no
Clinton/Obama

Hillary Clinton is not the nominee
Hillary Clinton will not be the nominee
She has less pledged delegates with no chance to catch up = without breaking the rules (ok so maybe she can catch up)
She has less popular votes - even with Florida (which as a Floridian I know for a fact this should not count)

She will not be selecting a VP

I am happy Barack came put and said this so that those silly people who for some reason think they can take anything Hillary Clinton says to be what she really means - can now know that Sen Obama is not a part of trying to deceive them

Obama/Webb
Obama/Richardson
Obama/Warner
many great options ---

Sen Clinton should replace Sen Reid as the Sen majority leader and make policy

This way instead of taking credit for the "S" chip which she supported like 65 other senators but did not author or
create -- she can maybe really get some
legislation written and passed

In almost 8 years there is no one legislative achievement in congress with the Clinton name on it --

That';s how they play it so she can be for or against any given bill on any given day in any given city who happens to have a primary

"I did not have someone contact Canada to wink at what I Say"
H Clinton

It looks like he is doing his usual word play. There is no such thing as a VP candidate so he can state that and be safe. Typical politician... he is a shrewd one but not even close to being as shrewd as Bill.

VC,
The number is not right. The number does not include the Texas Caucus. 41% counted Obama leads by 5000. At the end it should be 10000 around. so include that then he is already up.

Oh, please.

I can't believe that Clinton and her supporters actually have the chutzpah to try this Rezko line. Does anyone actually *remember* the Clintons when they were in office? Remember the first two terms of their "co-presidency"? Whatever shady dealings might lurk in this Rezko story are absolute child's play compared to what the Clintons have regularly tried to get away with for their entire careers. If Rezko is a too much of a skeleton in Obama's closet for him to be considered for the presidency, then the Clintons (both of them, but yes, including Hillary individually as well) should be the *last* people anyone should want within a hundred miles of that job.

I swear, it's like people can't remember past last weekend.

The Canadians released the official word on the accusation that a Clinton camp person called them.... they unequivocally stated no one from the Clinton camp contacted them and they did not contact the Clinton camp.

For the Obama camp, the final word was clear that a meeting did take place with Obama's eco advisor that he still does not have the executive strength to fire outright as he should have done with Bauer and Powers as well.

I keep getting this vision of the old garbage bag commercials with Clinton portrayed as the hefty hefty hefty and Obama as the wimpy wimpy wimpy. LOL

Ravi,
I retract my initial compliment, your analysis went out the window with that emotional diatribe posting. By the way, you can't count Texas twice, the same people that voted in the primary were allowed to vote in the caucus. Sorry dude.

Hillary will have more votes AND pledged delegates than Obama when the primary is over. There are still states that haven't voted yet. The Obama message is starting to self destruct from the inside out. He and his advisers are proving that they lack the experience to lead this country.

And in case anyone missed it, Obama gets the NAFTA-gate story all to himself. The Canadian government is now admitting that Hillary Clinton and her campaign have made no contact with Canadian officials. Check it out if you don't believe me. I guess Obama's camp will have to find something else to blame on Hillary.

Di,

I have to say this to you in particular. You mention following the Tony Rezko trial and implying something criminal about Obama. You really believe that Bush's Attorney Generals would not have Obama if they could? Hillary Clinton is a "person of interest" in the murder of Vince Foster and was found most likely indictable herself for several financial scams. It was widely known that those money scams that dogged President Clinton all had to do with Hillary because he was the Political Intellectual and she was the bread winner. Please, state your true reason for not being able to support Obama. We can handle the truth, can't you?

Also to all you others, if you read Barack's blogs you will know that a joint ticket with Hillary as VP or otherwise would destroy his public career and that in the coming days even stronger statements will come out REJECTING Hillary & her Machine!

VC- you gotthe numbers backwards
Obama is ahead in the popular vote - even with Florida

REAL CLEAR POLITICS ELECTION 2008
Democrats Obama Clinton
Total Delegates 1581 1460
Pledged Delegates 1371 1218
Popular Vote 13,000,655 12,411,705
Pop V ote (w/FL) 13,576,869 13,282,691

The TX caucus count is not completed and is likely going to be challenged on behalf of the voters (and possibly the campaigns) because so many voters recorded the irregularities with their phones and blackberries. Too much evidence shows the vote was tainted. So you cant count them yet.

In terms of the election, even if you dont count the MI and FL voters you can bet the SD's will take it into consideration because those states are needed to win in Nov. That would put Clinton with a clear majority of the popular vote regardless of TX. The DNC might not consider the will of the people but we should all consider them equal to our own.

WestCoast,
Then why they are counting now for 96 delegates. If they are worth now, they are worth later too.

Ravi, I agree it counts for delegates, but it does not change the overall oopular vote, you can't count Texas twice. The pimary number will be a greater number than the caucus numbers, always has been, always will. Caucuses disenfranchis Democratic voters.

dofogo - last attempt i heard to slam Clinton was about being secretive with regards to the archives. That doesnt hold water either because the fact is, in 2002, Bill Clinton instructed the archive to release all records for Hillary Clinton only as expeditiously as possible. Where records coincided with his records as President, they have to use their discretion in the interest of National Security.

If she were just any candidate this would not be an issue. But she is not just any candidate and that is a reality that has to be dealt with. She wants the records out to support her resume of experience of course. But national security takes precedence and I respect that.

One interesting thing he surely does not like is the number of senior Republicans and Democrats who have lauded her efforts and stated she certainly did play a pivotal role in foreign relations and setting policy during her years as First Lady and the experience is very valid. Last one I saw discuss it was Bob Dole on CNN.

Alison,
I've been tracking this thing through ABC News and they have been the most consistent counters, they've been doing this for the last half century. Real Clear Politics has some smart coders, they've been around just since the dot.com bust and still have some learnin' to do. Sorry.

Can you imagine Hillary winning the nomination and throwing the kicthen sink at Mc cain and still winning the election. No way No way No way for her. Can some one pass this news to Obama campaign so that he can alert what will happen if she gets this nomination. We can not see the same old kithen sink election any more. We had enough with KArl rove and his group...

WestCoast,
Say person X votes for clinton in the primary, now his vote in caucus is independent of the primary vote. He votes again and say this votes Obama.

So vote is valid in both events. that is what I mean in the previous post.

You got be logical but not emotional - we are not getting any money from either of the candidates.
Peace :)

HAIL DEMOCRACY!

"New Yorker", that's where you are wrong. This is the stage of the game where the mathematicians have to stand down and let the artists step in and work the resolution. It's more about poetry than numbers, in the Democratic Party. Remember, we are a party of diversity, requires massive compromise. The mistake you are making is the same mistake that the Democratic electorate made when fielding one Michael Dukakis. He was no poet, he was a word processor. Florida and Michigan will not be disenfranchised by the Democratic Party. Not in our lifetime.

alison LOL think about what you are saying... you are adding on the votes from MI and FL of which Clinton had a clear majority in and saying that flipped the popular vote into Obama's favor? LOL

Ravi, that would be an exception. The reality on the ground is that many people, my own sister for example, voted in the Texas primary but did not got to the caucus, and did not vote a second time. So why should someone's vote that did vote a second time count as a superior accumulation in calculating the popular vote. I could be wrong but I bet none one single major news organization will count the Texas caucus vote as an increase in the popular vote, but they will calculate the Texas primary as an increase.

hiya WestCoastMessenger... some people prefer to dismiss those states for some reason... but hey James Carville offered up $15 mill to help pay for it if FL and MI have do over primaries... maybe they will call it the Carville Primaries LOL I have no doubt other soft money will be donated to the cause... the thing is, Clinton will likely get more votes and delegates than if they count them as is!

westcoast,
Look at this way, irrespective of who is voting they go against the 96 delegates which are added to the grand totals. So any valid vote counts.

For example, florida votes never counts because they are not valid.

I think the Clintons are the only ones who have a track record of doing exactly that - getting us a prosperous economy again. I have watched Michelle's speeches and interviews - Very divisive and spiteful personna. I havent read anything really good in terms of how people perceive her either so it is not just me. Finding out details about her professionally is really disturbing to me but since she is not running for President I will not hold that against Obama unless I see he is doing something that will benefit her personally by steering money towards the hospital she works at and seeing her another doubling in salary as a result.

I do think it is wrong of her to tell people to not go for the American dream because more teachers and social workers are needed. Such a hypocrit with her $316,000 a year salary from a hospital that charges 3.5 times more to uninsured patients than they negotiate with insurance companies. She stated she and Obama chose to not be a part of corporate America and she is lying because she is and so is he with his near million dollar tax return and book royalties forthcoming. At least the Clintons are honest about how much money they make and 15 years of financial disclosure forms are on file with public access. Obama is hiding some of his because of the Rezko house purchase. - go figure.

DCVoter, I had not heard of that Carville manuever. That's awesome. Thanks.

Ravi, I'm not disputing your point about the 96 delegates. It's the "POPULAR VOTE" which will also have standing as an attributive factor when a SuperDelegate decides who to finally vote for. The pledged delegate count will also have standing, but it will be up to the Supers at the end of the day. If Florida and Michigan come into play, with a Carville-generated revote (CMU), then its all over for the Obama camp except for cleaning up the tears.

To Clear up the popular vote total, here it is via realclear politics:

Obama: 13,000,655
Clinton: 12,411,705

Even after March 4, Senator Obama leads in the popular vote AND in the delegate vote.

Pledged delegates:

Obama: 1371
Clinton: 1218

It is so hypocritic for Clinton to ask Obama to be her VP or even considering a joined ticket.

Howard Wolfson compared Obama with Carl Rove, Ken Starr. Does Hillary want Carl Rove and Ken Starr on her ticket? Perhaps she enjoyed those impeachment days and want to have more? Just a thought.

Those Clinton supporters don't even see the irony. That's, ladies and gentlemen, is really ironic.

And to make it muddy again, here's the citation from ABC News, as of right now:
Democratic | Delegates | Votes
.
Clinton | 1462 | 13,575,548
Obama | 1570 | 13,570,501
.
Needed to win: 2,024

After March 4th, Hillary Clinton leads iin the popular vote by over 5,000.

CrisO8, repeated lies don't magically become facts. Here is the popular vote as it stands on states where both competed,

Obama = 13,000,655
Clinton= 12,411,705
Difference=588,950

On clearpolitics.com, you can even check the popular vote total at each state.

With this comment, Obama has effectively torn the party into two. He says 'either its my way or the hiway' .

He will now never see the white house. Period.

MI and FL will not be seated, that is what dean frankly told this morning. Florida already working towards the do-over

Hey "Catiger", you got that wrong. Wolfson referred to the Obama campaign - truth is he's talking specifically about David Axelrod, but at the end of the day the buck stops with Obama, so have it howwever you want it. If Obama is VP we will not need Axelrod as chief of staff. And about that Rove comparison, the difference between Rove and Axelrod is that at least Rove had a brain, evil no doubt, but at least he had a brain.

By the way. No democratic candidate has EVER won the white house by LOSING California and Ohio in the primary. Its simply never happened ever.

Let alone Pennsyvannia, New York, Mass, Florida.

You know, where the center of the democratic party is?

Well, we won the ULTRA LEFT states of Washington Wisconson, Minnesota and his home state of Illinois.

hey, he came from behind and won Missouri at the 11th hour by less than one percent. Whoopie.

The rest ??? ALL red or minature states.

Wow. What a GREAT candidate. He cant even win the main democratic states.

Ravi, I totally agree, it will more than likely come as a "do-over", just so Howard Dean can save face, even though it is going to cost another 20 to 30 mil, ah, the price of an ego. I, for one, welcome a do-over. The voters in those states are going to be truly steamed, and Hillary has been the only candidate advocating for their interests.

Westcoastmessenger:

Even if we went with your theory of putting a "Carville" generated revote for Florida and Michigan into play, that actually would NOT help Senator Clinton.

Let's assume, just for the sake of argument that she wins both states in a revote, the math doesn't work. Why? Because Senator Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, so a revote would give him VOTES even if he lost the state. In Florida, again assuming she were to win it on the revote, she is not likely to win it by 17% in a contested primary. Therefore, even under the most optimistic supposition, this scenario does not do Senator Clinton any favors in terms of the popular vote.

I know about the lawsuit... nothing new and it is being handled. If it were an issue both McCain and Obama would be all over it. Since they are not it is hogwash. Rich people get sued all the time... most of the times it is bogus.

Now with Obama, I wont even start, it would be futile. Rezko's defense attorney used Obama's name and relationship to Rezko in his opening statement. The details are going to be clear soon for all the public to see whether he is a clean slate or not. For sure he is a blank slate per his own words LOL and I think that in itself is bad news. But on other fronts, he is dishonest to portray himself above the fray and not a politician (he has made it a career of running for office instead of doing his job as elected). He is also dishonest in other matters too numerous to list here. The MSM is already listing them. LOL

Obama should never consider a joined ticket with Clinton, no matter which direction it goes.

She is going to sink the ticket because of her "fight-them-all-to-death" style that alienates independents. Democrats can think whatever they think and fire whatever the cheap shots you have. By the end of the day, it is indepdents who determine the outcome of the election.

Clinton and Obama has a fundamentally different way of doing politics. Clinton is "win win win and win at all cost", the old dirty and nasty slash and burn politics. Obama is simply the fresh air that the nation has been longing for. Clean, issue, solution-oriented politics.

Hey, by the way, Clinton wants a joined ticket with Obama. Wasn't the same lady who compared Obama with Carl Rove and Ken Starr? Are you sure that was the same lady? Really? The same Clinton? Hillary Clinton. Somebody pinch me, please!

Hey K John, why don't you go blog on Real Clear Politics since you want to use their citation. I'm here at ABC News blog and here are the ABC News numbers, as of right now:

Democratic | Delegates | Votes
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Clinton | 1462 | 13,575,548
Obama | 1570 | 13,570,501
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Needed to win: 2,024

After March 4th, Hillary Clinton leads in the popular vote by over 5,000.

Popular Vote Count
State Date % Vote In Obama Clinton
Popular Vote Total - - 13,000,655 12,411,705
Popular Vote (w/FL) - - 13,576,869 13,282,691
Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - - 13,576,869 13,611,000

"The voters in those states are going to be truly steamed, and Hillary has been the only candidate advocating for their interests."

You see. That's one political manipulation right there. The one who did not obey the rules actually gets rewarded. No wonder she keeps bending the rules. No wonder Bill Clinton did what he did. He knew he could get away.

It is the people like you who legitimized those nasty things in american politics and you feel particularly good about it. Shame on you!

SD your logic doesnt work. I did a spreadsheet on it both with and without MI and FL. I gave Obama votes he didnt earn by giving him the 40% undecided. Clinton still comes out on top in the popular and delegates from those states. Also there are superdelegates from those states not included in the 796 but I think they should be punished still since they are the ones who agreed with the republican legislatures to change the primaries and disenfranchise voters.

Bottom line I tried to get across earlier was that the MSM sites are all guessing on delegate counts. So all this arguing back and forth on them is ridiculous. The last state convention is June 29 and none of the delegates or superdelegate votes count until the convention since they can all change how they vote if they want to. It is all a guessing game on projected delegates and superdelegates. The MSM has been wrong on predictions and projections in polls etc. Why would you trust them now? As to how some people are getting numbers to swing to Obama in the popular, a MSM site must be scr