You know I can't see Hillary winnig MI. I'm not sure about Florida (Latino considerations) She may have the Latinos all snowed. But not Michigan!

Caucuses are a joke.

Caucuses are characterized by intimidation, misrepresentation of actual voter preference, and disenfranchisement of voters.

Conversely, a private ballot cast in a primary is done so without crowd pressure, shows individual voter intention, and allows for increased voter participation.

HEY, WHY DON'T WE DO OVER ALL THE STATES, AN MAYBE HILLARY WINS THEM ALL.LOL. lETS SEE, MICHIAN BROKE THE RULES OF THE DNC. NOW LETS BREAK THE RULES AGAIN. LET ME SEE, 2 WRONGS DON'T MAKE A CLINTON, LOL. MI AND FL BROKE THE RULES. AGAIN WE ARE TELLING OUR KIDS, THAT BREAKING THE RULES ARE OK. THE PEOPLE OF MI AND FL WILL GET TO VOTE COME ELECTION TIME. UNLESS THEY WANT TO VOTE A YEAR EARLIER, LOL

So the Obama campaign didn't give the legislature the go ahead for a re-vote, and now their votes won't count. And Obama preaches about the voice of the people, let the people decide, and now he goes back on his word. And everyone calls Clinton a hypocrite!!! Are you kidding me?!? Come on people, it's really Obama that's destroying the party. This newcomer shows up with little experience and a call for "change" and everyone flocks to him. It'll be a sad day when Obama becomes the nominee. I'm not going to vote for McCain because I don't support his views, but surely am not going to support Obama when nobody knows anything about him!

If Obama gets the nomination, then I didn't leave the Party, the Party left ME.

Hillary '08

The end result for the Democratic convention will be to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates per the original votes.

A chance at revote has been eliminated. However, the DNC is fully aware that not seating delegates from any state will produce the public and legal charge of illegitimacy of the intended nominee.

The DNC is trying its best to force Senator Clinton to concede prior to the convention, but she will not.

The DNC-snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I've always admired Hillary Clinton, through the scandals and all she kept her poise; but she needs to consider the image she portrays lately. I'm seeing a new Hillary, one not so admirable.

Jayhawk, you're right with one thing! The DNC will have to represent the delegates from those states or suffer from losing votes in the general election. I just pray that they come to a conclusion quick.

Hillary '08

Regarding failure to seat delegates from all states:

Not only will the DNC actions result in lost votes, legal challenges will impugn the legitimacy of the Democratic presidential nominee whoever that may be.

Those same legal challenges will be present and unresolved through the November election and result in the Democratic candidate being seen by voters as less than credible and not deserving of support.

Commander Guy,
I would support a caucus over the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan, whether it is to Hillary's benefit or not. Democrats cannot afford to disenfranchise other Democrats.

I seems as if the leadership of the DNC don't understand that it was they who hurt the party, and still is hurting the party.

Hillary '08

cHRIS-Come the general FL and MI WILL speak to Obama in NO uncertain terms.

I will support caucus when the general is conducted through caucuses, not one day sooner.

@WCM: The folks in Michigan would be for it, but Governor Granholm won't allow it as it may support Senator Obama. We also have no money to pay for it.

@Dogsoldier: You've conceded the nomination to Senator Obama? I can't speak for Florida, but Michigan has been a blue state since 1992 and will continue to be while our economy remains in shambles. If a democrat was President, it would be a red state this year. Ultimately, folks here won't cut off their nose to spite our face.

I do believe the caucus is an unfair system. And, I'm not saying that just because I'm a Clinton supporter. What is so hard about letting people just simply vote in a primary?

Hillary '08

You hit the nail on the head, Dogsoldier.

Why should we hold general elections with private ballot but resort to the caucus circus to select candidates?

Texas, by having both primary and caucus, showed all of us just how skewed and unrepresentative caucuses really are.

Caucuses provide no accuracy in voter preference and no legitimacy for candidates selected as a result.

Jayhawk-I'm with you brother!

MIguy-I prefer to let the voters of MI have their say before writing them off. Regard to conceding to Obama stay tuned. All us Hillary supporters will be right here whether Hillary or Obama wins. If Obama then no change in our posture.

Hillary has Texas as a proof that Caucus is nothing but a joke. It is for the super delegates to decide if the want the Democratic Party to flourish or die.

I hope DNC gets both Hillary and Obama in the same ticket and get over with the division of the Democratic Party.

No vote or honoring FL & MI votes means, they going to GOP for sure in November.

@Jonath & Jayhawk:

I've never been in a caucus, so don't really know the allure. From what I have heard, however, is that those who attend feel the 'spirit of democracy' in that they can more than cast their ballot - they can make a statement. So, I guess it would be like the difference between having ABC just poll us on this issue and show yes/no votes and ABC having a blog where we get to say why we vote our view. Caucuses, for better and worse, bring out the passionate supporters of candidates who ultimately are the most likely to vote in the general election. So, I won't tell Iowa and the others how to do their business. Texas seems crazy to me, but that's their business. I like our primaries in Michigan.

Obama is know for legal challenges. He has won most of his elections in the past through legal challenges. He will destroy the party if he is not in the ticket. Hillary is no different either, she is a fighter and will take the DNC with her down.

DNC has only choice get both on the ticket. Hillary/Obama or Obama/Hillary (chicken egg question). There will be lot of horse trading to happen between Obama and Hillary on the top spot.

@GS:

I would've thought it hard for Senators Obama and Clinton to 'kiss and make up' at this point, but Reagan and Bush did it in 1980 even though it was clear they didn't like each other.